It’s time to put Antifa on the terror list…

[Stryder50]

But what do they do? There are no member lists that I think anybody knows of. You can arrest those who are caught in the act of illegal/terrorist activities, prosecute and imprison them, and our current DOJ does that and supports law enforcement that does that, but what about those that aren't caught specifically doing illegal acts?

Our country was founded on a principle of individual liberty, right to opinions, speech, beliefs even when those are reprehensible or unpopular. We don't arrest people for nothing more than accusations of association. That would indeed be fascist. How do you declare an organization fascist when there is no organization? No central website? No member lists? No central leadership that can be identified?

That has been my argument. But I whole heartedly support any journalist or law enforcement or our government looking for and identifying those who are directing, funding, equipping etc. these groups hat are now reported to be unaffiliated with each other. When they do, then we have a terrorist organization.

When buses have been seen from out of local area delivering "protestors" for "events" it's probable they aren't "unaffiliated".
If so-called central (international) leadership is not obvious and above ground, some locals are. I provided the links on Portland, Oregon's Rose City Antifa as example.

Part of allowing official channels/government investigations will be to take a broad stance that Antifa and such are criminal in actions and intents/plans. They it becomes easier to adjust something like RICO as a tool to use against them.

Way things have been going, I fear Right Wing vigilante action will be more active and effective.

 

[Stryder50]

That's the thing evilcat!

The force that represents the agenda of the regime, turns to murdering innocent civilians.

That's still not possible for a fascist regime in its infancy.

Only something reminiscent of a Kristalnacht is possible at this point.

Antifa gave us scores of "kristalnacht" across this country during Summer of 2020, Komrade.
Your disinformation efforts are rather lame.

 

[Mac-7]

But what do they do?

They riot, damage government cars and buildings, and now attack ICE with AR-15’s

 

[Stryder50]

The problem is that as an organization, ANTIFA does not exist. There’s no defined leadership group or chain of command.

Any group of people with some kind of grievance can call themselves part of ANTIFA.

One could say similar about Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc.
BTW, seems Antifa is on similar course and agenda as the above.

 

[Mac-7]

Your disinformation efforts are rather lame.

He’s foreign

Which means he knows nothing

 

[Donald H]

Homan's going to Portland today.

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Thank you!

It was brought to my notice that anti-jew sentiments are festering in silence in America at this point in time. The Magas are sensing that the Zionist regime is getting in the way of Trump's progress and his attempts to get himself noticed as a peacemaker. It's always had an appreciable presence in America's extreme right.

Those sentiments are threatening to let loose in America at any time. That is dangerous in that it risks exposing the real agenda of his fascist regime.

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Fascists hate communists, but they hate Jews even more.

The logic in that is that communist threats are nonexistant. (nothing worse than biting off toes)

 

[Foxfyre]

They riot, damage government cars and buildings, and now attack ICE with AR-15’s

No. I don't mean what does ANTIFA do? What ANTIFA does is terrorist activity that is not only highly destructive but can be deadly.

What I mean is what does the government do? Can you declare an organization terrorist that the media describes not as a nation wide organization but as unaffiliated groups when you cannot (yet) identify the deep state operatives who are organizing, equipping, funding, directing these groups?

 

[Foxfyre]

When buses have been seen from out of local area delivering "protestors" for "events" it's probable they aren't "unaffiliated".
If so-called central (international) leadership is not obvious and above ground, some locals are. I provided the links on Portland, Oregon's Rose City Antifa as example.

Part of allowing official channels/government investigations will be to take a broad stance that Antifa and such are criminal in actions and intents/plans. They it becomes easier to adjust something like RICO as a tool to use against them.

Way things have been going, I fear Right Wing vigilante action will be more active and effective.

Believing the various ANTIFA groups are affiliated with national intent--and I do believe that they are--what you believe, what I believe still doesn't identify who and where the national organization is.

 

[Donald H]

Way things have been going, I fear Right Wing vigilante action will be more active and effective.

That's intuitive in that it's possible in the fascist regime's infancy and doesn't become directly owned by the regime.

ICE could effectively change their clothes to civilian manufactured camo and AR-15's.

 

[Foxfyre]

One could say similar about Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc.
BTW, seems Antifa is on similar course and agenda as the above.

Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood etc. all have official websites and/or public manifestos and identifiable leadership with names.

 

[Zincwarrior]

When buses have been seen from out of local area delivering "protestors" for "events" it's probable they aren't "unaffiliated".
If so-called central (international) leadership is not obvious and above ground, some locals are. I provided the links on Portland, Oregon's Rose City Antifa as example.

Protip, unless done with the express purpose of committing an illegal act, thats legal. Marches and protests are not illegal on their own.

 

[The Duke]

Protip, unless done with the express purpose of committing an illegal act, thats legal. Marches and protests are not illegal on their own.

Oh, it can be found out who's shuttling rioters and ICE ambushers around the country.
It's not just buses, they have fleets of vans and minivans, too.

 

[Stryder50]

Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood etc. all have official websites and/or public manifestos and identifiable leadership with names.

They are all part of a common agenda/goal.
Parts of Antifa also have such. I've provided links in past posts here.
Look them over more thoroughly.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

That's the thing evilcat!

The force that represents the agenda of the regime, turns to murdering innocent civilians.

That's still not possible for a fascist regime in its infancy.

Only something reminiscent of a Kristalnacht is possible at this point.

Civilians that launch fireworks on ICE, vandalize, shoot ICE agents, lock people in buildings then set fire to those buildings are not innocent civilians.

 

[Donald H]

Civilians that launch fireworks on ICE, vandalize, shoot ICE agents, lock people in buildings then set fire to those buildings are not innocent civilians.

Neither did Hitler's SS consider any of the Jews to be innocent citizens.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Neither did Hitler's SS consider any of the Jews to be innocent citizens.

Did Jews launch fireworks at Germans, shoot them, lock the doors of buildings with Germans inside, vandalize their cars, block traffic. Which one?

 

[Stryder50]

Protip, unless done with the express purpose of committing an illegal act, thats legal. Marches and protests are not illegal on their own.

Counter-protip;
1) Many to most local governments require a permit for large public "gatherings", especially "marches".
2) As long as traffic and business are not impacted or constrained, such may be legal. Also so long as no rioting, looting, vandalism, arson, assaults, etc. occur, which we saw too often in the past, especially Summer of 2020. Evidence of express purpose of committing an illegal acts appeared to be in play during the Summer of 2020. When the "protestors" show up in Black Bloc, wearing padding, face shields, handheld shields, stout "sign" poles, etc. it's fairly clear they don't have peaceful or legal agenda in mind.

 

[Foxfyre]

They are all part of a common agenda/goal.
Parts of Antifa also have such. I've provided links in past posts here.
Look them over more thoroughly.

I am not arguing anything different.

But tell me where the central organizational structure is. Who are the leaders over the whole operation? Who is funding it? How are the various members contacted, equipped, organized?

Nobody in authority knows. That is what they have to find out before ANTIFA in general can be declared a terrorist organization.

That is what all of you disagreeing with me simply refuse to see or address in my argument.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Counter-protip;
1) Many to most local governments require a permit for large public "gatherings", especially "marches".

This is true. To be legal, those must be obtained.

2) As long as traffic and business are not impacted or constrained, such may be legal. Also so long as no rioting, looting, vandalism, arson, assaults, etc. occur, which we saw too often in the past, especially Summer of 2020. Evidence of express purpose of committing an illegal acts appeared to be in play during the Summer of 2020.

This is true.

When the "protestors" show up in Black Bloc, wearing padding, face shields, handheld shields, stout "sign" poles, etc. it's fairly clear they don't have peaceful or legal agenda in mind.

Its still legal, generally depending on jurisdiction. But yes, those are signs they are not up to a peaceful march and typically come out after the legal protesters start going home.

 

[Mac-7]

No. I don't mean what does ANTIFA do? What ANTIFA does is terrorist activity that is not only highly destructive but can be deadly.

What I mean is what does the government do? Can you declare an organization terrorist that the media describes not as a nation wide organization but as unaffiliated groups when you cannot (yet) identify the deep state operatives who are organizing, equipping, funding, directing these groups?

I’m not an anti terror specialist

But I’m confident that declaring ANTIFA a terrorist group is good for the police and very bad for ANTIFA