I entered into a sacramental marriage, so it makes sense that the Church would handle that. In earlier times, marriage might also be a business arrangement, that follow other customs. So yes, other entities can be involved in their own ideas of social unions, including bigamy and polygamy.
If it matters to you, then wouldn't you advertise via church bulletins and ask them to bring certification from their church?
There are reasons to disallow gay marriage that have nothing to do with religion, but have everything to do with biology, which I have already listed. You keep slamming religion, but can't seem to tell me why the 'secular' state wouldn't or shouldn't disallow gay marriages.
So you are saying bigamy and polygamy would be acceptable in this new society?
Why should local government become involved? If there is a reason, shouldn't it be up to each couple to register their union--and what type it is?
I am not envisioning a new society. I am envisioning limited government. Why should government (or anyone) have to babysit our marriages? Can't we handle it independently?
I don't think so. If you're allowing polygamy and bigamy and gay marriages and anything anybody wants, I don't think that works. It's way too nebulous. Don't misunderstand. I'm with you on limited government, but maintaining contracts and records are one of the few legitimate functions of government.
There have to be public records, IMHO. There has to be an independent way of finding out the marital status of people So I don't see anyway you can get around an official pronouncement of what defines a marriage. Now if the Catholic Church had to handle everything regarding marriages including conducting them, defining them (as they already have), and providinga a central record of who is married, then I am 100% all in on that.
Here is where we seem to differ: You want someone to handle marriage, just not the current authorities. I don't think anyone, other than the couple involved, needs to handle anything.
Why? Are you trying to handle someone's marital situation? If so, why is that necessary?
The Catholic Church can certainly handle all the marriages of people who choose to be married in the Catholic Church, because the couple places themselves and their marriage under Church jurisdiction. However, there is no reason at all for the Catholic Church to manage marriages that take place in a synagogue or even another Christian denomination--not to mention civil unions of any type (for example the woman who married a roller coaster).
And yet the attacks on other religions aren't supposed to happen in his idealized Christian Nation. It isn't here yet and he's attacking you and your beliefs.
Yeah, I really think there has to be public affirmation and records and definition of marriage.
And what were they do with all the gay people that are married. Would a Christian country annul all those marriages like the Nazis did when they took over Germany to dehumanize the Jews they were murdering .
That is the beauty of each couple handling their own union. No other entity or person has authority over it. For example, I could not care less if the gay community does not recognize my union; why should they care whether the Catholic Church recognizes their union if they were not married in the Catholic faith?
Then you want someone in charge, but not those who are currently in charge, whereas I don't see a need for anyone to be in charge.
Only the gays who still claim to the Catholic religion are harmed by what the Catholic religion says and does. They are free to leave, and many of my friends have left that church because of the hatred and bigotry. There are many churches that have finally come to their senses about homosexuality and are very accepting of gay people.
Let's say we had a fluid anything-goes system of marriage. How would you handle disputes in a will between exes? How would you handle parental rights in the case of a dissolution in the arrangement? Doesn't there have to be a referee?
