It's Politics - Send Venezuelans back - Not about Immigration Policies

[Nostra]

Please tell me you really aren’t that stupid?

He is, and then some.

 

[Dante]

I've worked with and have supported many undocumented and iffy-status immigrants. I've helped a few get Green Cards. One thing I've always been irritated with is their ignorance when it comes to democracy and our American ways (sound like Ben Franklin and his "Swarthy Germans" comments on "our British ways"). Immigrants tend to favor populists, strongmen leaders, and demagogues. Many favor popular/direct democracy, and struggle with the American concept of representative democracy. Dante is known to be a strong advocate of representative democracy, and an outspoken foe of direct democracy.

I must say that here schadenfreude rears it's head:

Venezuelans backed Trump. Now some worry he’ll deport them.​

Venezuelans in the Miami suburb of Doral have been some of Trump’s biggest proponents.
Many feel betrayed after he revoked temporary protected status for thousands.

(should've been informed enough to know about Trump and the Kurds)

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Rangel Walther, a U.S. resident, said her husband, who is Venezuelan and a U.S. citizen, voted for Harris and now chides her father for his support of Trump.


DORAL, Fla. — Ronald Bellorin decided to flee Venezuela for the United States during President Donald Trump’s first administration, convinced the Republican leader would protect people like him who had been targeted by an autocratic regime.

Now the university professor is worried the Trump administration is going to deport him. The Department of Homeland Security has canceled the temporary protected status given to thousands of Venezuelans who have arrived in recent years. Bellorin’s permission to work in the United States is set to expire in April, and his shield from deportation in September.

“Today, I feel the same way I felt in Venezuela — that they’re going to come take me somewhere I won’t be able to escape from,” Bellorin said, tearing up as he described his family’s ordeal. “It’s terrible to feel this way here in the United States.”

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He paused for a moment to compose himself: “I thought we would be safe here.”

As usual, the House Trolls are making comments and mounting attacks that are clearly not related to the actually content of the OP.

We don't look for our votes from illegals....

Why did Trump campaign in the district?



read the stuff. They campaigned for him. They got others to vote for him. They provided in many places, the winning swing votes.

Please tell me you really aren’t that stupid?

He is, and then some.

So...


From the OP:

I must say that here schadenfreude rears it's head:

Venezuelans backed Trump. Now some worry he’ll deport them.​

Venezuelans in the Miami suburb of Doral have been some of Trump’s biggest proponents.
Many feel betrayed after he revoked temporary protected status for thousands.

(should've been informed enough to know about Trump and the Kurds)

 

[Nostra]

As usual, the House Trolls are making comments and mounting attacks that are clearly not related to the actually content of the OP.






So...


The OP:

I must say that here schadenfreude rears it's head:

Venezuelans backed Trump. Now some worry he’ll deport them.​

Venezuelans in the Miami suburb of Doral have been some of Trump’s biggest proponents.
Many feel betrayed after he revoked temporary protected status for thousands.

(should've been informed enough to know about Trump and the Kurds)

Cry more.

 

[BlackSand]

Venezuelans backed Trump. Now some worry he’ll deport them.​

Venezuelans in the Miami suburb of Doral have been some of Trump’s biggest proponents.
Many feel betrayed after he revoked temporary protected status for thousands.

(should've been informed enough to know about Trump and the Kurds)

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They wouldn't be worried about being sent back if they had come here properly ...
And I guess they now understand what 'temporary' means.

They probably came here with a plan ... They probably had it all figured out, and were willing to support anyone
that could grant them the ability to stay regardless of circumstances.

Not really sure how they ended up thinking President Trump was that person ...
And it was a pretty bad plan they had to start with.

Seriously ... Getting people to support a candidate in their community and possibly sway an election ...
Is exactly why the Democrats were looking the other way while they were piling in.
Maybe we simply aren't interested in buying someone's vote by twisting up our immigration policy
and trying to bend the law to our advantage.

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[Zincwarrior]

Elections have consequences.

 

[Dante]

Cry more.

No one is crying.

Stop projecting.

We had no Jan 6 riot or attempted insurrection on Jan 6, 2025,
while on Jan 6, 2021 you people wet your diapers

 

[Dante]

Elections have consequences.

They do. and you people never got over 2020. You whined, rioted, screamed for now going over 4 years that an election was stolen went it was dearly not. Courts laughed at you people for 4 years.

 

[Dante]

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They wouldn't be worried about being sent back if they had come here properly ...
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I don't care. Did you miss "Trump argues that the president is not an “officer of the United States” ???"

 

[BlackSand]

We had no Jan 6 riot or attempted insurrection on Jan 6, 2025,

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That was a pretty good call ...
Seeing as you obviously couldn't even get a bunch of your people to show up and vote on elections day.

What kind of insurrection are you going to attempt with two guys and a stolen church bus ...

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[Zincwarrior]

They do. and you people never got over 2020. You whined, rioted, screamed for now going over 4 years that an election was stolen went it was dearly not. Courts laughed at you people for 4 years.

I think you replied to the wrong person on that one. I am a never Trumper.

 

[BlackSand]

I don't care. Did you miss "Trump argues that the president is not an “officer of the United States” ???"

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Correct, he is not an officer ...
He's the Chief Executive in charge of all of the Departments the officers work for ...

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[BlackSand]

I think you replied to the wrong person on that one. I am a never Trumper.

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More like he didn't understand what you meant and was swinging blindly ...
Give him a second to finish off the crack pipe ... He'll catch up ... Maybe ...

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[Dante]

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Correct, he is not an officer ...
He's the Chief Executive in charge of all of the Departments the officers work for ...

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Trump went to the courts on that

and there is a history:
What Justice Scalia Thought About Whether Presidents Are “Officers of the United States”
Roger Parloff
Wednesday, January 24, 2024,
In a 2014 concurrence and a short letter elaborating on it, Scalia indicated that the president was an “officer of the United States.”

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So it appears that Scalia—and perhaps even Roberts, Thomas, and Alito, who joined his concurrence—thought the president was an “officer of the United States” for constitutional purposes.

The President of the United States would be an officer elected by the people for FOUR years; the king of Great Britain is a perpetual and HEREDITARY prince. - The Federalist Papers : No. 69


Do you believe Trump v. Anderson answered whether the President and Vice President are Officers of the United States? If so, link please...

 

[Dante]

I think you replied to the wrong person on that one. I am a never Trumper.

Are you an arse sniffer? Apologies of not. I;ll go back and look

 

[Nostra]

No one is crying.

Stop projecting.


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We had no Jan 6 riot or attempted insurrection on Jan 6, 2025,
while on Jan 6, 2021 you people wet your diapers

Cry more.

 

[Dante]

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Correct, he is not an officer ...
He's the Chief Executive in charge of all of the Departments the officers work for ...

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Do you believe Trump v. Anderson answered whether the President and Vice President are Officers of the United States? If so, link please...

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More like he didn't understand what you meant and was swinging blindly ...
Give him a second to finish off the crack pipe ... He'll catch up ... Maybe ...

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Trump went to the courts on that

and there is a history:
What Justice Scalia Thought About Whether Presidents Are “Officers of the United States”
Roger Parloff
Wednesday, January 24, 2024,
In a 2014 concurrence and a short letter elaborating on it, Scalia indicated that the president was an “officer of the United States.”

...

So it appears that Scalia—and perhaps even Roberts, Thomas, and Alito, who joined his concurrence—thought the president was an “officer of the United States” for constitutional purposes.

The President of the United States would be an officer elected by the people for FOUR years; the king of Great Britain is a perpetual and HEREDITARY prince. - The Federalist Papers : No. 69


Do you believe Trump v. Anderson answered whether the President and Vice President are Officers of the United States? If so, link please...

 

[Dante]

Cry more.

No one is crying.

Stop projecting.

 

[Dante]

I think you replied to the wrong person on that one. I am a never Trumper.

You made a blank comment -- no link to who you could be addressing

 

[BlackSand]

Trump went to the courts on that

and there is a history:
What Justice Scalia Thought About Whether Presidents Are “Officers of the United States”
Roger Parloff
Wednesday, January 24, 2024,
In a 2014 concurrence and a short letter elaborating on it, Scalia indicated that the president was an “officer of the United States.”

...

So it appears that Scalia—and perhaps even Roberts, Thomas, and Alito, who joined his concurrence—thought the president was an “officer of the United States” for constitutional purposes.

The President of the United States would be an officer elected by the people for FOUR years; the king of Great Britain is a perpetual and HEREDITARY prince. - The Federalist Papers : No. 69


Do you believe Trump v. Anderson answered whether the President and Vice President are Officers of the United States? If so, link please...

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Is the President of the United States an elected Official ... Yes
Is he an Officer in the sense that he is the Chief Executive of the United States
and it is his job to ensure the execution of our Laws ... Yes

As an Officer that executes the law in every aspect ... I personally don't think that is his job.
He is in charge of the Departments and can simply have his subordinates do that.

Link ... I'll stick with Former Justice Scalia ...
Give or take Chief Justice Roberts ... I kind of think he is a swamp rat.


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[BlackSand]

You made a blank comment -- no link to who you could be addressing

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I understood what he meant ... Even with the nuances ...
But then again, I wasn't trying to fight that understanding.

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