It's Over

[j-mac]

Sing it, Roy.

Despite Democratic impeachment managers laying out a methodical case on Wednesday, Senate Republicans seem intent as ever on acquitting Donald Trump over his role in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Republicans Unswayed By Evidence Trump 'Incited' Mob Against U.S. Capitol

Let History judge those Republicans for their vote

“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”

History is often written by bad people. Opposition to the Democratic Party and their cohorts needs to increase exponentially to prevent that.

Opposition with no moral compass is the definition of Trumplicans and their cohorts.

With views like that, you should resign as a mod.

 

[j-mac]

Rightists: But Trump called for them to march peacefully!

...Trump used the word "peacefully" one time in his speech to his supporters the morning of Jan. 6 — a point his defense team used to argue he was not inciting violence. But Dean said the managers analyzed the same speech, and he used the words "fight" or "fighting" 20 times.


What do you think was the take away by his mob?

And? The term "fight" has been used by every Democrat as well as the manager's.. Should we impeach them as well?

 

[Crepitus]

Sing it, Roy.

Despite Democratic impeachment managers laying out a methodical case on Wednesday, Senate Republicans seem intent as ever on acquitting Donald Trump over his role in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Republicans Unswayed By Evidence Trump 'Incited' Mob Against U.S. Capitol

Never expected cowardly republicans to convict. Excusing his treasonous behavior makes them guilty if it as well.

But It was over before it started, a forgone conclusion.

I guess that makes you guilty of fraud and treason.

You guess wrong.

Unsurprisingly.

You are the one enabling an illegitimate administration. By your own logic you are responsible for their fraud and their treason.

Two strikes!

One more and you're out.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Sing it, Roy.

Despite Democratic impeachment managers laying out a methodical case on Wednesday, Senate Republicans seem intent as ever on acquitting Donald Trump over his role in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Republicans Unswayed By Evidence Trump 'Incited' Mob Against U.S. Capitol

Let History judge those Republicans for their vote

"Judged" by another Democrat kangaroo court.
Weve judgedthe Democrat Party. Your partisanship is well understood

 

[rightwinger]

Rightists: But Trump called for them to march peacefully!

...Trump used the word "peacefully" one time in his speech to his supporters the morning of Jan. 6 — a point his defense team used to argue he was not inciting violence. But Dean said the managers analyzed the same speech, and he used the words "fight" or "fighting" 20 times.


What do you think was the take away by his mob?

And? The term "fight" has been used by every Democrat as well as the manager's.. Should we impeach them as well?

When you instruct a violent mob to fight......yes you should

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Rightists: But Trump called for them to march peacefully!

...Trump used the word "peacefully" one time in his speech to his supporters the morning of Jan. 6 — a point his defense team used to argue he was not inciting violence. But Dean said the managers analyzed the same speech, and he used the words "fight" or "fighting" 20 times.


What do you think was the take away by his mob?

And? The term "fight" has been used by every Democrat as well as the manager's.. Should we impeach them as well?

We are gonna FIGHT Democrat election fraud before we go thru this again in 2022

 

[rightwinger]

Sing it, Roy.

Despite Democratic impeachment managers laying out a methodical case on Wednesday, Senate Republicans seem intent as ever on acquitting Donald Trump over his role in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Republicans Unswayed By Evidence Trump 'Incited' Mob Against U.S. Capitol

Let History judge those Republicans for their vote

"Judged" by another Democrat kangaroo court.
Weve judgedthe Democrat Party. Your partisanship is well understood

History will look at the evidence presented and the Republican Defense.

The Republicans had better do a better job than they did on Tuesday.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Rightists: But Trump called for them to march peacefully!

...Trump used the word "peacefully" one time in his speech to his supporters the morning of Jan. 6 — a point his defense team used to argue he was not inciting violence. But Dean said the managers analyzed the same speech, and he used the words "fight" or "fighting" 20 times.


What do you think was the take away by his mob?

And? The term "fight" has been used by every Democrat as well as the manager's.. Should we impeach them as well?

When you instruct a violent mob to fight......yes you should

So Maxine Waters and Piglosi need to step down or removed. For once, BE CONSISTENT

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Sing it, Roy.

Despite Democratic impeachment managers laying out a methodical case on Wednesday, Senate Republicans seem intent as ever on acquitting Donald Trump over his role in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Republicans Unswayed By Evidence Trump 'Incited' Mob Against U.S. Capitol

Let History judge those Republicans for their vote

"Judged" by another Democrat kangaroo court.
Weve judgedthe Democrat Party. Your partisanship is well understood

History will look at the evidence presented and the Republican Defense.

The Republicans had better do a better job than they did on Tuesday.

Unfortunately for you, it's the DEMOCRATS who couldn't make their case. You wasted the county's time with your witchhunt

 

[Papageorgio]

Rightists: But Trump called for them to march peacefully!

...Trump used the word "peacefully" one time in his speech to his supporters the morning of Jan. 6 — a point his defense team used to argue he was not inciting violence. But Dean said the managers analyzed the same speech, and he used the words "fight" or "fighting" 20 times.


What do you think was the take away by his mob?

So you believe the word means only one thing and that it is physical?

 

[BS Filter]

Wrong about what?! Do you honestly think that riot would have happened if it wasn’t for Trump drilling in the unsubstantiated claim that the election was being stolen from him? Be honest

I saw an interview with Sen Angus King of Maine and he talked about a law professor who used the “but for” criteria of guilt.

“But for” Trumps statements and acts, would the riots have occurred.
If Trump had accepted the results after all his legal challenges were exhausted, would the riots have occurred?

Hell no this wouldn’t have occurred. The anger of the mob was built on lies told by Trump and a willingness to fight for him after he asked over and over for them to fight for him. Not fight through the power of their voices or the power of their vote but fight through the power of force to “stop the steal”. Trump called them to come to Washington and to go to the capital and to stop the steal at the same time the votes were being certified. This shit doesn’t get any more obvious and in your face. How do these assholes here deny Trumps culpability with a straight face?

Of course it wouldn't have happened if you commies and the state run media hadn't been denigrating Trump supporters for the last 4+ years either. Don't pretend your hands are clean.

You mean us Nazi commie socialists?! Haha. Denigration between the political loudmouth idiots is one thing. Tyranny is another. You can’t do your whataboutisms with this one.

Do you support

Wrong about what?! Do you honestly think that riot would have happened if it wasn’t for Trump drilling in the unsubstantiated claim that the election was being stolen from him? Be honest

I saw an interview with Sen Angus King of Maine and he talked about a law professor who used the “but for” criteria of guilt.

“But for” Trumps statements and acts, would the riots have occurred.
If Trump had accepted the results after all his legal challenges were exhausted, would the riots have occurred?

Hell no this wouldn’t have occurred. The anger of the mob was built on lies told by Trump and a willingness to fight for him after he asked over and over for them to fight for him. Not fight through the power of their voices or the power of their vote but fight through the power of force to “stop the steal”. Trump called them to come to Washington and to go to the capital and to stop the steal at the same time the votes were being certified. This shit doesn’t get any more obvious and in your face. How do these assholes here deny Trumps culpability with a straight face?

President Trump told the crowd to be peaceful and patriotic. Fact.

That he did. So what?

So we know President Trump never told anyone to storm the Capitol and we know he told the crowd to be peaceful and patriotic. You agree. Therefore, you agree that President Trump is innocent of insurrection.

No I don’t agree. If your mind is so simple that those are the only elements that you cam see and hear then I don’t think I can help you. The series of events are so crystal clear it’s embarrassing if people like you still don’t get it.

The one article of impeachment didn't list a series of events, it claimed one event was the cause. The commies are trying to push irrelevant crap that would never be allowed in a court of law. This shit show is nothing but political theater and you commies deserve to lose.

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Yes it’s political theater showing an unhindered leader lying to the public and rallying his supporters to overthrow our government so he can stay in power. That’s Tyranny dude. He’s lucky to get off with only an impeachment

President Trump never said a word about overturning the government. You're brainwashed.

Interesting. How exactly did he want his crew to “Stop the steal”?

He said to let your voices be heard. Be peaceful and patriotic. Democrats never showed that in the trial, did they.

Why would they? They are presenting the evidence against him. You’d make a really shitty lawyer.

Let me ask. How do peaceful voices stop the steal? Paint the picture for how that works and what the desired actions and results were

It's called peaceful protest. Ever hear of it? It's in the Constitution.

I know what it’s called but that’s not what happened. And how exactly does peaceful protest stop the steal? Please explain how doing that gets it done

It doesn't. Please explain how assaulting citizens, looting and burning down their businesses stop a cop from killing a black man.

 

[BS Filter]

Wrong about what?! Do you honestly think that riot would have happened if it wasn’t for Trump drilling in the unsubstantiated claim that the election was being stolen from him? Be honest

I saw an interview with Sen Angus King of Maine and he talked about a law professor who used the “but for” criteria of guilt.

“But for” Trumps statements and acts, would the riots have occurred.
If Trump had accepted the results after all his legal challenges were exhausted, would the riots have occurred?

Hell no this wouldn’t have occurred. The anger of the mob was built on lies told by Trump and a willingness to fight for him after he asked over and over for them to fight for him. Not fight through the power of their voices or the power of their vote but fight through the power of force to “stop the steal”. Trump called them to come to Washington and to go to the capital and to stop the steal at the same time the votes were being certified. This shit doesn’t get any more obvious and in your face. How do these assholes here deny Trumps culpability with a straight face?

Of course it wouldn't have happened if you commies and the state run media hadn't been denigrating Trump supporters for the last 4+ years either. Don't pretend your hands are clean.

You mean us Nazi commie socialists?! Haha. Denigration between the political loudmouth idiots is one thing. Tyranny is another. You can’t do your whataboutisms with this one.

Well child wait till the defense trots out videos of commiecrats using the exact same language Trump used in the Jan 6th speech. Many while US cities were burning. Oh then you have kneepads harriss raising money to get rioters, looters and child molesters out on bail, so they could return to do more damage. Like I said you commies hands aren't clean.

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If commiecrats said anything to inspire an insurrection on our capital then those responsible should be held to account.

The Vice President bailed out criminals during riots that destroyed the businesses of citizens.

So what’s your point? Did she get a mob to go into jail and bust these people out by force or did she use the legal system?

They were arrested for breaking the law. They were damaging property. Now she's the Vice President.

Yeah, and... what’s your point?

This is the part where you play dumb, huh.

 

[Coyote]

Rightists: But Trump called for them to march peacefully!

...Trump used the word "peacefully" one time in his speech to his supporters the morning of Jan. 6 — a point his defense team used to argue he was not inciting violence. But Dean said the managers analyzed the same speech, and he used the words "fight" or "fighting" 20 times.


What do you think was the take away by his mob?

So you believe the word means only one thing and that it is physical?

Papgeorgio, I believe there is a difference between an individual and a mob. And what an individual might take away from something is not the same as what a mob would. I believe Trump is well aware of this. One thing his is singularly skilled at, is attracting and manipulating huge crowds - whether it's focused on an opponent - "lock her up", focused on a category - "the media is the enemy of America" - or a particular demographic - "radical socialists". All of that has been practiced in political oratory, before, but not with such effectiveness.

The version of events that Trump-supporters are seeking to present - and, imo, what you are presenting in your question is something like this. A supporter just happens to decide to come to the rally, without any preceding emotional build up. He hears the speech, independent of the thousands around him. He takes it to mean a metaphorical fight. It was meant that way.

However, that ignores certain documented realities.

This mob was built and fed for months, starting in fact, before the election when Trump was rhetorically laying the groundwork for a dispute in case he lost. His groundwork was to claim fraud and rigging.

Between the election and January 6th - how many tweets, speeches and rallies did he conduct where he reiterated over and over that the election was stolen, "his" people were "very badly" treated, America needed to be taken back, etc.? That's grooming a mob imo. It's not just a singular instance or a few. Among these people are those willing to die for him. One interview, with the wife of a participant at the "Stop the Steal" told how she had to tell her children "Daddy might not come home from Washington". Among that groomed mob are people that absolutely believe the election was "stolen", and do not believe in the peaceful transfer of power as defined by: the right of candidates to appeal their losses, through a system of courts, through recounts, through a set of legal procedures that every single candidate, including Trump, has a right to. Despite every indication - courts, DoJ, election officials of the aggrieved party - that there was no evidence of any sort of wide spread fraud that would effect the results - Trump kept on grooming his mob and claiming a "steal".

When that group hears Trump making statements like this, in his rally speech which was a long list of political grievances, claims of unfairness etc., attacks on both Republicans and Democrats, and the SCOTUS, a rally that culminated months of preparation...what do you think THEY take "fight for Trump" to mean?

Big tech is now coming into their own. We beat them four years ago. We surprised them. We took them by surprise and this year they rigged an election. They rigged it like they’ve never rigged an election before. And by the way, last night they didn’t do a bad job either if you notice.​

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All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.​

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We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal.​

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We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen, I’m not going to let it happen.​

(Audience chants: “Fight for Trump.”)​

Thank you.​

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We want to go back and we want to get this right because we’re going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed and we’re not going to stand for that.​

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And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn’t, that will be a, a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our Constitution.​

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And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.​

None of these statements are made in isolation - and they shouldn't be taken that way. Did everyone in the crowd take "fight" to literally mean violence? No. But enough did. They expressly did NOT have a permit to march to the capital (their rally was restricted to the area they started in). But Trump drove them. There is no other way to put it.

One can fairly say - "but did he MEAN literal violence?". I don't know - that's guesswork on the part of those who condemn and those who defend. No one really knows what goes on in that man's head. But I think it is pretty damning when you look at what he did during and in the immediate aftermath.

Not responding to calls for help in stopping it.

• Partying with his family in a tent as they were marching to the capital.
• Contacting Congressmen WHILE the capital was besieged, and shown on live TV - to get them to change their votes.
• Responding, finally in an incredibly weak way, a way that still praised the mob, and openly sympathized with them, and did little to alter what the mob was engaged in.

I think he hoped for violence while he pressured lawmakers. I think Trump is a master at cultivating adoring crowds. I think when he talked about "fight" - and DIRECTED them to march to the capital (the one time he did use peaceful) - he was hoping for violence. He certainly did not, at anytime, seem horrified by it. That is my opinion.

 

[Coyote]

Wrong about what?! Do you honestly think that riot would have happened if it wasn’t for Trump drilling in the unsubstantiated claim that the election was being stolen from him? Be honest

I saw an interview with Sen Angus King of Maine and he talked about a law professor who used the “but for” criteria of guilt.

“But for” Trumps statements and acts, would the riots have occurred.
If Trump had accepted the results after all his legal challenges were exhausted, would the riots have occurred?

Hell no this wouldn’t have occurred. The anger of the mob was built on lies told by Trump and a willingness to fight for him after he asked over and over for them to fight for him. Not fight through the power of their voices or the power of their vote but fight through the power of force to “stop the steal”. Trump called them to come to Washington and to go to the capital and to stop the steal at the same time the votes were being certified. This shit doesn’t get any more obvious and in your face. How do these assholes here deny Trumps culpability with a straight face?

Of course it wouldn't have happened if you commies and the state run media hadn't been denigrating Trump supporters for the last 4+ years either. Don't pretend your hands are clean.

You mean us Nazi commie socialists?! Haha. Denigration between the political loudmouth idiots is one thing. Tyranny is another. You can’t do your whataboutisms with this one.

Do you support

Wrong about what?! Do you honestly think that riot would have happened if it wasn’t for Trump drilling in the unsubstantiated claim that the election was being stolen from him? Be honest

I saw an interview with Sen Angus King of Maine and he talked about a law professor who used the “but for” criteria of guilt.

“But for” Trumps statements and acts, would the riots have occurred.
If Trump had accepted the results after all his legal challenges were exhausted, would the riots have occurred?

Hell no this wouldn’t have occurred. The anger of the mob was built on lies told by Trump and a willingness to fight for him after he asked over and over for them to fight for him. Not fight through the power of their voices or the power of their vote but fight through the power of force to “stop the steal”. Trump called them to come to Washington and to go to the capital and to stop the steal at the same time the votes were being certified. This shit doesn’t get any more obvious and in your face. How do these assholes here deny Trumps culpability with a straight face?

President Trump told the crowd to be peaceful and patriotic. Fact.

That he did. So what?

So we know President Trump never told anyone to storm the Capitol and we know he told the crowd to be peaceful and patriotic. You agree. Therefore, you agree that President Trump is innocent of insurrection.

No I don’t agree. If your mind is so simple that those are the only elements that you cam see and hear then I don’t think I can help you. The series of events are so crystal clear it’s embarrassing if people like you still don’t get it.

The one article of impeachment didn't list a series of events, it claimed one event was the cause. The commies are trying to push irrelevant crap that would never be allowed in a court of law. This shit show is nothing but political theater and you commies deserve to lose.

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Yes it’s political theater showing an unhindered leader lying to the public and rallying his supporters to overthrow our government so he can stay in power. That’s Tyranny dude. He’s lucky to get off with only an impeachment

President Trump never said a word about overturning the government. You're brainwashed.

Interesting. How exactly did he want his crew to “Stop the steal”?

He said to let your voices be heard. Be peaceful and patriotic. Democrats never showed that in the trial, did they.

Why would they? They are presenting the evidence against him. You’d make a really shitty lawyer.

Let me ask. How do peaceful voices stop the steal? Paint the picture for how that works and what the desired actions and results were

It's called peaceful protest. Ever hear of it? It's in the Constitution.

I know what it’s called but that’s not what happened. And how exactly does peaceful protest stop the steal? Please explain how doing that gets it done

It doesn't. Please explain how assaulting citizens, looting and burning down their businesses stop a cop from killing a black man.

It doesn't. Has anyone claimed it does? Has anyone supported the rioters? Most have condemned it - it takes away from the message of the actual protestors.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Sing it, Roy.

Despite Democratic impeachment managers laying out a methodical case on Wednesday, Senate Republicans seem intent as ever on acquitting Donald Trump over his role in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Republicans Unswayed By Evidence Trump 'Incited' Mob Against U.S. Capitol

Let History judge those Republicans for their vote

"Judged" by another Democrat kangaroo court.
Weve judgedthe Democrat Party. Your partisanship is well understood

History will look at the evidence presented and the Republican Defense.

The Republicans had better do a better job than they did on Tuesday.

No need really. Since no honest evidence was presented, there is nothing to defend and the votes are already in.

 

[OKTexas]

Wrong about what?! Do you honestly think that riot would have happened if it wasn’t for Trump drilling in the unsubstantiated claim that the election was being stolen from him? Be honest

I saw an interview with Sen Angus King of Maine and he talked about a law professor who used the “but for” criteria of guilt.

“But for” Trumps statements and acts, would the riots have occurred.
If Trump had accepted the results after all his legal challenges were exhausted, would the riots have occurred?

You mean if he caved to obvious fraud. You have had fours years of him. What made people think he would not fight back?

The way to fight back is in court. Not tyranny

He tried the courts. They refused to hear evidence. He is telling the truth and has more credibility than the MSM. And stop the drama. Trump did not do one thing tyrannical.

If the courts refused to hear the evidence then there was a reason for that and Trumps team should have presented better cases. But that’s how our system works. You go through the system, you don’t try and overthrow it when you’re not happy with the results. This is basic shit people. Shouldn’t be complicated to understand

If they were trying to overthrow something they wouldn't have shown up with flags and banners, they would have guns. You commie drama queens are so pathetic. I carry a pocket knife, does that mean I'm armed?

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I didn’t say they were armed. Since when does being armed set the bar for what qualifies with insurrection?! Damn your arguments are thin

Your fantastic house managers claimed they were armed. Are you saying they lied?

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[OKTexas]

Wrong about what?! Do you honestly think that riot would have happened if it wasn’t for Trump drilling in the unsubstantiated claim that the election was being stolen from him? Be honest

I saw an interview with Sen Angus King of Maine and he talked about a law professor who used the “but for” criteria of guilt.

“But for” Trumps statements and acts, would the riots have occurred.
If Trump had accepted the results after all his legal challenges were exhausted, would the riots have occurred?

Hell no this wouldn’t have occurred. The anger of the mob was built on lies told by Trump and a willingness to fight for him after he asked over and over for them to fight for him. Not fight through the power of their voices or the power of their vote but fight through the power of force to “stop the steal”. Trump called them to come to Washington and to go to the capital and to stop the steal at the same time the votes were being certified. This shit doesn’t get any more obvious and in your face. How do these assholes here deny Trumps culpability with a straight face?

Of course it wouldn't have happened if you commies and the state run media hadn't been denigrating Trump supporters for the last 4+ years either. Don't pretend your hands are clean.

You mean us Nazi commie socialists?! Haha. Denigration between the political loudmouth idiots is one thing. Tyranny is another. You can’t do your whataboutisms with this one.

Well child wait till the defense trots out videos of commiecrats using the exact same language Trump used in the Jan 6th speech. Many while US cities were burning. Oh then you have kneepads harriss raising money to get rioters, looters and child molesters out on bail, so they could return to do more damage. Like I said you commies hands aren't clean.

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If commiecrats said anything to inspire an insurrection on our capital then those responsible should be held to account.

OH, so it only counts if it's the capitol? What happened at the capitol pales to the 2 billion in damages and 30 dead across the nation. There were coordinated groups, some going from city to city to incite violence. All the while the commiecrats were egging them on. Kneepads harriss said herself that it wouldn't stop before the election and wouldn't stop after, and it shouldn't. Well guess what, it let up some but it still hasn't stopped. What should be done with her?

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Tyranny and insurrection absolutely applies to any forceful effort to overthrow our government which would occur at a public office or event and against elected officials performing our countries business. Get a dictionary man. These are basic definitions

So the folks that occupied the WI legislature for 2 days were insurrectionist? Come on man, be consistent.

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[BS Filter]

Wrong about what?! Do you honestly think that riot would have happened if it wasn’t for Trump drilling in the unsubstantiated claim that the election was being stolen from him? Be honest

I saw an interview with Sen Angus King of Maine and he talked about a law professor who used the “but for” criteria of guilt.

“But for” Trumps statements and acts, would the riots have occurred.
If Trump had accepted the results after all his legal challenges were exhausted, would the riots have occurred?

Hell no this wouldn’t have occurred. The anger of the mob was built on lies told by Trump and a willingness to fight for him after he asked over and over for them to fight for him. Not fight through the power of their voices or the power of their vote but fight through the power of force to “stop the steal”. Trump called them to come to Washington and to go to the capital and to stop the steal at the same time the votes were being certified. This shit doesn’t get any more obvious and in your face. How do these assholes here deny Trumps culpability with a straight face?

Of course it wouldn't have happened if you commies and the state run media hadn't been denigrating Trump supporters for the last 4+ years either. Don't pretend your hands are clean.

You mean us Nazi commie socialists?! Haha. Denigration between the political loudmouth idiots is one thing. Tyranny is another. You can’t do your whataboutisms with this one.

Do you support

Wrong about what?! Do you honestly think that riot would have happened if it wasn’t for Trump drilling in the unsubstantiated claim that the election was being stolen from him? Be honest

I saw an interview with Sen Angus King of Maine and he talked about a law professor who used the “but for” criteria of guilt.

“But for” Trumps statements and acts, would the riots have occurred.
If Trump had accepted the results after all his legal challenges were exhausted, would the riots have occurred?

Hell no this wouldn’t have occurred. The anger of the mob was built on lies told by Trump and a willingness to fight for him after he asked over and over for them to fight for him. Not fight through the power of their voices or the power of their vote but fight through the power of force to “stop the steal”. Trump called them to come to Washington and to go to the capital and to stop the steal at the same time the votes were being certified. This shit doesn’t get any more obvious and in your face. How do these assholes here deny Trumps culpability with a straight face?

President Trump told the crowd to be peaceful and patriotic. Fact.

That he did. So what?

So we know President Trump never told anyone to storm the Capitol and we know he told the crowd to be peaceful and patriotic. You agree. Therefore, you agree that President Trump is innocent of insurrection.

No I don’t agree. If your mind is so simple that those are the only elements that you cam see and hear then I don’t think I can help you. The series of events are so crystal clear it’s embarrassing if people like you still don’t get it.

The one article of impeachment didn't list a series of events, it claimed one event was the cause. The commies are trying to push irrelevant crap that would never be allowed in a court of law. This shit show is nothing but political theater and you commies deserve to lose.

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Yes it’s political theater showing an unhindered leader lying to the public and rallying his supporters to overthrow our government so he can stay in power. That’s Tyranny dude. He’s lucky to get off with only an impeachment

President Trump never said a word about overturning the government. You're brainwashed.

Interesting. How exactly did he want his crew to “Stop the steal”?

He said to let your voices be heard. Be peaceful and patriotic. Democrats never showed that in the trial, did they.

Why would they? They are presenting the evidence against him. You’d make a really shitty lawyer.

Let me ask. How do peaceful voices stop the steal? Paint the picture for how that works and what the desired actions and results were

It's called peaceful protest. Ever hear of it? It's in the Constitution.

I know what it’s called but that’s not what happened. And how exactly does peaceful protest stop the steal? Please explain how doing that gets it done

It doesn't. Please explain how assaulting citizens, looting and burning down their businesses stop a cop from killing a black man.

It doesn't. Has anyone claimed it does? Has anyone supported the rioters? Most have condemned it - it takes away from the message of the actual protestors.

Unbelievable that you have the nerve to ask has anyone supported the rioters when your VP bailed them out of jail, Nazi Pelosi said she hoped they keep it up, Maxine Waters encouraged harassment, Democrat mayors told police to stand down. What an idiotic statement.

 

[BS Filter]

While citizens were assaulted, their businesses looted and burned, Nazi Pelosi encouraged more and never said a word about the violence.

Pelosi joins protests against George Floyd’s death outside Capitol

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Wednesday joined a crowd of demonstrators outside the Capitol protesting police brutality toward black Americans following the death of George Floyd, an…

thehill.com

 

[OKTexas]

Wrong about what?! Do you honestly think that riot would have happened if it wasn’t for Trump drilling in the unsubstantiated claim that the election was being stolen from him? Be honest

I saw an interview with Sen Angus King of Maine and he talked about a law professor who used the “but for” criteria of guilt.

“But for” Trumps statements and acts, would the riots have occurred.
If Trump had accepted the results after all his legal challenges were exhausted, would the riots have occurred?

Hell no this wouldn’t have occurred. The anger of the mob was built on lies told by Trump and a willingness to fight for him after he asked over and over for them to fight for him. Not fight through the power of their voices or the power of their vote but fight through the power of force to “stop the steal”. Trump called them to come to Washington and to go to the capital and to stop the steal at the same time the votes were being certified. This shit doesn’t get any more obvious and in your face. How do these assholes here deny Trumps culpability with a straight face?

President Trump told the crowd to be peaceful and patriotic. Fact.

That he did. So what?

So we know President Trump never told anyone to storm the Capitol and we know he told the crowd to be peaceful and patriotic. You agree. Therefore, you agree that President Trump is innocent of insurrection.

No I don’t agree. If your mind is so simple that those are the only elements that you cam see and hear then I don’t think I can help you. The series of events are so crystal clear it’s embarrassing if people like you still don’t get it.

The one article of impeachment didn't list a series of events, it claimed one event was the cause. The commies are trying to push irrelevant crap that would never be allowed in a court of law. This shit show is nothing but political theater and you commies deserve to lose.

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Idiot or liar? It cited months of indoctrination of his base. It wasn't speech from just one day. But there was speech on that one day which contributed to the insurrection...

On January 6, 2021, pursuant to the 12th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, the House of Representatives, and the Senate met at the United States Capitol for a Joint Session of Congress to count the votes of the Electoral College. In the months preceding the Joint Session, President Trump repeatedly issued false statements asserting that the Presidential election results were the product of widespread fraud and should not be accepted by the American people or certified by State or Federal officials. Shortly before the Joint Session commenced, President Trump, addressed a crowd at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. There, he reiterated false claims that "we won this election, and we won it by a landslide." He also willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged — and foreseeably resulted in — lawless action at the Capitol, such as: "if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore." Thus incited by President Trump, members of the crowd he had addressed, in an attempt to, among other objectives, interfere with the Joint Session's solemn constitutional duty to certify the results of the 2020 Presidential election, unlawfully breached and vandalized the Capitol, injured and killed law enforcement personnel, menaced Members of Congress, the Vice President, and Congressional personnel, and engaged in other violent, deadly, destructive and seditious acts.​

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President Trump's conduct on January 6, 2021, followed his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 Presidential election. Those prior efforts included a phone call on January 2, 2021, during which President Trump urged the secretary of state of Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, to "find" enough votes to overturn the Georgia Presidential election results and threatened Secretary Raffensperger if he failed to do so.​

Wow, that's a great pack of lies. No one killed a law enforcement officer. Also the only one who died as a result of violence is the unarmed woman shot by the capitol police.

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It's not yet known if the cop sustained injuries from the insurrection and whether or not he died from those injuries. The autopsy report has not been released to the public. While they are reporting it's not true he was struck with a fire extinguisher, the case is still being investigated as a homicide and they do have some suspects. I've read they're also looking into whether or not he was sprayed with bear spray and if that played a role in his death.

Since they guy called his brother afterwards and told him he had been pepper sprayed a couple of times, but was ok. I think he probably died from heart disease or other natural cause. The stress of the day probably contributed, but he wasn't murdered in cold blood the way the house managers are portraying it.

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