It would appear that Israel did not get what it wanted from Trump

As usual, you guys just blame Trump for everything. Biden's own people told Biden not to get out the way he did or the Taliban would swoop back into power. Biden ignored their advice and got out quicker than he should have. It has nothing to do with Trump. Have you forgotten already? Biden beat Trump in 2020.
Yes, I credit Trump with the surrender agreement he negotiated and signed.

Because I am not a brainwashed cult freak.
 
And neither does anyone else.

Trump just wants to reopen the Strait and get the world economy back in order is all.
Neither Israel, Lebanon, or Hezbollah are signing the agreement so neither any of them, the US, or Iran have to abide by anything concerning them in the agreement.
 
As usual, you guys just blame Trump for everything. Biden's own people told Biden not to get out the way he did or the Taliban would swoop back into power. Biden ignored their advice and got out quicker than he should have. It has nothing to do with Trump. Have you forgotten already? Biden beat Trump in 2020.
Exactly right and Biden rejected the advise of the military to follow the Trump plan that would have left approx. 2500 servicemen and intel analysts to protect US nationals.
 
Neither Israel, Lebanon, or Hezbollah are signing the agreement so neither any of them, the US, or Iran have to abide by anything concerning them in the agreement.
Iran will continue to fund them, waging war through them against Israel

And so long as the US funds Israel, they will continue to kill Americans, albeit probably not directly.

Nothing has changed.
 
Yes, I credit Trump with the surrender agreement he negotiated and signed.

Because I am not a brainwashed cult freak.
1. You said yourself that Biden extended the deadline a couple of times. So, you're admitting that Biden broke the agreement - the agreement you credited to Trump.

2. If Biden had already broken the agreement twice, then why couldn't he have broken the agreement again to give more time to make sure the Taliban didn't take back the country?

3. Trump had no agreement whatsoever that allowed the Taliban to take back the country. That wasn't the agreement.
 
1. You said yourself that Biden extended the deadline a couple of times. So, you're admitting that Biden broke the agreement - the agreement you credited to Trump.

2. If Biden had already broken the agreement twice, then why couldn't he have broken the agreement again to give more time to make sure the Taliban didn't take back the country?

3. Trump had no agreement whatsoever that allowed the Taliban to take back the country. That wasn't the agreement.
Iran has already stated their goals, which is the destruction of the Zionist state upon forming their regime in 1979.

It has never changed and will never change

Why are do people pretend otherwise is sheer insanity as their proxies of Hamas and Hezbullah have declared the same objective.
 
Exactly right and Biden rejected the advise of the military to follow the Trump plan that would have left approx. 2500 servicemen and intel analysts to protect US nationals.
That 2,500 troop level was ordered shortly after Benedict Donald lost in 2020. Well, first he tried to evacuate our troops by Jan 15th 2021, but after the Military had a Talk with him, he flip-flopped and order troop level to be drawn down to 2,500, the minimum number the military said they needed to continue to support the Afghan Army. Anyone with just a little sense knew that when the truce with the Taliban ended, those 2,500 soldiers would be at risk and re-enforcement would be necessary to protect them.

Benedict Donald claimed the Doha Accords and our withdrawal was conditional on the Taliban complying with the agreement. However they did not complied with 6 out of the 7 conditions, yet Benedict withdrew over 10,000 of our troops nearly unconditionally during 2020.

Throughout Benedicts final year, Afghanistan was descending into chaos thanks to his near unconditional withdrawal of over 80% of our troop strength. The troops we need to enforce the Doha Accord.


 
That 2,500 troop level was ordered shortly after Benedict Donald lost in 2020. Well, first he tried to evacuate our troops by Jan 15th 2021, but after the Military had a Talk with him, he flip-flopped and order troop level to be drawn down to 2,500, the minimum number the military said they needed to continue to support the Afghan Army. Anyone with just a little sense knew that when the truce with the Taliban ended, those 2,500 soldiers would be at risk and re-enforcement would be necessary to protect them.

Benedict Donald claimed the Doha Accords and our withdrawal was conditional on the Taliban complying with the agreement. However they did not complied with 6 out of the 7 conditions, yet Benedict withdrew over 10,000 of our troops nearly unconditionally during 2020.

Throughout Benedicts final year, Afghanistan was descending into chaos thanks to his near unconditional withdrawal of over 80% of our troop strength. The troops we need to enforce the Doha Accord.


That whiny tirade confirmed what I wrote earlier. I understand you want to defend the Biden skedaddle but you failed to do that.
 
That whiny tirade confirmed what I wrote earlier. I understand you want to defend the Biden skedaddle but you failed to do that.
I absolutely support the decision to withdraw from our failed 20 year occupation. I will also support the military planners who planned and carried out the evacuation.

Please feel free to defend Benedict Donald's withdrawal of over 80% of our fighting forces while the Taliban was not complying with 6 out of 7 of the Conditions they agreed too. Were those withdrawals Bidens fault too? Do you think Biden should have gone back to war because Benedict Donald failed to enforce the Agreement he negotiated?
 
None of this happens if not for Israel. It made the US look really bad BUT unless Israel can get the war started back fully up, it really sets them back on what they want.

If the agreement does it finalized, as I've noted before Israel becomes ever more isolated.
What trite analysis.

Your thesis has been that Bibi was somehow “controlling” Trump. (Subtext from the minds of many of you: “we all know how ‘those Jews’ are.”)

But, now, we see that Trump is still his own man.

It is fascinating to watch your TDS-infected little minds trying to harmonize your inconsistent views. So, of course, you insist that what we have done against Iran constitutes a massive “failure.”

Not one of you has any depth in your analyses. It is beyond your limited myopic views and your minimal ability to think (or reason) that Iran will be seen as a massive success for America.

I speculate that to admit the positive view of what President Trump chose to do would be almost impossible for our close-minded TDS-infested liberals and leftists and progressives and socialists.
 
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The US-Iran agreement to conclude the Middle East war is a significant strategic setback for Israel and underscores its waning influence in Washington, Israeli analysts said.
Waning influence? Bibi got Dotard to join his attack on Iran. Just because trump was forced to deal with the economic calamity he caused when Iran blocked the Strait doesn't mean Israel's influence has been diminished. What did the analysts think was going to happen? US ground forces going in to topple the Iran regime? Israeli settlements popping up near Tehran?
 
Since the memorandum of understanding (MOU) has not yet been published, it is questionable how our liberals and leftists come to speak of it disparagingly (unless we grant the obvious problem of their own biased preconceptions).

Notwithstanding this impediment, there are some reports (using leaked sources or the usual resort to unnamed alleged “sources”) which claim to discuss the parameters of the MOU.

In summary, they seem to claim that the proposal has the following provisions:

  • Reopening the Strait of Hormuz.
  • A continuation or extension of the ceasefire.
  • A 60-day period for negotiating a more detailed agreement.
  • Potential sanctions relief tied to Iranian compliance.
  • Future negotiations regarding Iran’s enriched uranium and nuclear program.
  • International verification provisions, according to U.S. accounts.

The above bullet point list I copied and pasted is from ChatGPT, which offers the following citation for those claims:


To whatever extent those points are true, I’m curious how it gets spun into something dire and negative?
 
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