It would appear that Israel did not get what it wanted from Trump

[BackAgain]

Boy oh boy, this poor guy really needs some attention ^^

Actually, what you’re whining about now is that you had your bullshit called.

Sucks to be you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I don't disparage the deal. Anything that ends Trump and Iran's global economic terrorism and progresses towards a nuclear deal with Iran can't be all bad.

But I am not going to praise the arsonist firefighter for putting out a fire that he started himself.

 

[my2¢]

The article made some points, but it didn't leave me with any conclusion. I just don't know anything about political leanings of the two sources that were referenced. I figure their opinions on Netanyahu likely influences their outlook, just as over here we have the vast difference between those that believe Trump can do no wrong and those that contend he can't do anything right.

Personally, my desire is for our presidents not to get us tangled into any wars over there. I prefer the isolationist Trump far more than the world police playing Trump.

 

[berg80]

I don't disparage the deal. Anything that ends Trump and Iran's global economic terrorism and progresses towards a nuclear deal with Iran can't be all bad.

But I am not going to praise the arsonist firefighter for putting out a fire that he started himself.

Putting the deal aside (other than what we're pretty sure about) for the moment since it isn't finalized, we spent billions in weaponry, brave soldiers were killed and injured, trump once again hurt our international reputation, Iran is having sanctions removed and frozen assets returned........making it financially stronger and better able to support regional terrorism, the new regime is more radical than the last. What's to like?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Putting the deal aside (other than what we're pretty sure about) for the moment since it isn't finalized, we spent billions in weaponry, brave soldiers were killed and injured, trump once again hurt our international reputation, Iran is having sanctions removed and frozen assets returned........making it financially stronger and better able to support regional terrorism, the new regime is more radical than the last. What's to like?

That it is stopping, so more of that damage is not being done.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

US-Iran deal a 'catastrophe' for Israel, analysts say

The US-Iran agreement to conclude the Middle East war is a significant strategic setback for Israel and underscores its waning influence in Washington, Israeli analysts said.Michael Milshtein, an expe...

www.yahoo.com

The US-Iran agreement to conclude the Middle East war is a significant strategic setback for Israel and underscores its waning influence in Washington, Israeli analysts said.

Although the accord, announced by Pakistan early Monday, remains incomplete and is expected to be finalised within 60 days, its preliminary framework has already raised concern in Israel.

Granted, as the article points out not all the specifics have been released, but it looks as though Israel will not be happy with the deal.

I suppose those who hate the Zionist state love the fact that Israel was not even a part of the negotiations, so how could they like it when said and done? But on the flip side, the rhetoric spewed by those who hate the Zionist state, that is, that Trump is controlled by Israel has been shown to be pure BS. Nothing could have been further from the truth.

Let’s see hmmmkay

Bibi and Naftali each said if the USA won’t fight Iran for Israel, it might get hit with a nuke

 

[berg80]

That it is stopping, so more of that damage is not being done.

Everyone is happy that, for now, a catastrophic global oil shortage has been avoided and the shooting has stopped.

But is that actually the measuring stick you're using for trump having got us in to the mess in the first place. He demanded total surrender and what has happened isn't in the same universe as that. It was a huge mistake for which he and the nitwits in the regime deserve to be roundly criticized.

 

[rosends]

The near genocide in Palestine set it in motion.

"near genocide"? No, not at all.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But is that actually the measuring stick you're using for trump having got us in to the mess in the first place

Well no, the entire thing was an exercise in stupidity and vanity.

 

[Anarchy666]

Well, I would've liked to have seen the women and children of Iran freed from pedophiles and misogynists, but we can't always get what we want.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well, I would've liked to have seen the women and children of Iran freed from pedophiles and misogynists, but we can't always get what we want.

Nobody is buying this line. Sorry.

 

[dblack]

US-Iran deal a 'catastrophe' for Israel, analysts say

The US-Iran agreement to conclude the Middle East war is a significant strategic setback for Israel and underscores its waning influence in Washington, Israeli analysts said.Michael Milshtein, an expe...

www.yahoo.com

The US-Iran agreement to conclude the Middle East war is a significant strategic setback for Israel and underscores its waning influence in Washington, Israeli analysts said.

Although the accord, announced by Pakistan early Monday, remains incomplete and is expected to be finalised within 60 days, its preliminary framework has already raised concern in Israel.

Granted, as the article points out not all the specifics have been released, but it looks as though Israel will not be happy with the deal.

I suppose those who hate the Zionist state love the fact that Israel was not even a part of the negotiations, so how could they like it when said and done? But on the flip side, the rhetoric spewed by those who hate the Zionist state, that is, that Trump is controlled by Israel has been shown to be pure BS. Nothing could have been further from the truth.

Israel isn't done with Trump yet.

 

[dblack]

Well, I would've liked to have seen the women and children of Iran freed from pedophiles and misogynists, but we can't always get what we want.

Are you talking about the "Epstein class"?

 

[Alweysrite!]

Oh, it’s a catastrophe for us too. We’re just not going to see it until later on when the terrorists hit us again.

There is nothing Trump could do that would not be catastrophic for you. That's part of your disease

 

[struth]

Oh, it’s a catastrophe for us too. We’re just not going to see it until later on when the terrorists hit us again.

well that's an easy fix, just don't elect a demafascist again

 

[Alweysrite!]

Trump was never interested in regime change because regime change means a long and bloody ground war with 10's of thousands DEAD. Iran has 180,000 corrupt radicals willing to die to retain their grip on power. Willing to murder 10's of thousands of their own people. That's what you would be fighting. Imagine some of the worst fighting in the war with Japan in WWII.

This is why Trump has quickly pivoted back to a laser like focus on Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions, period. So long as he can get what he needs on that short term, with the option to go back and bomb the F out of them if they fail to live up to the deal he will pull our troops out and go home.

Trump is not going to fight the region's and Iranian people's fight for them. That's up to the Iranian people and the regional powers to take on.

He did F up the Iran regime pretty good then stepped back to see if the region would step up and finish the job, they did not.

He was hoping that the cowards in Europe would step up as well but they did not.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Israel isn't done with Trump yet.

Nope. The far right neocons and religious fundamentalist nutters are all over Bibi, right now.

 

[pknopp]

What trite analysis.

Your thesis has been that Bibi was somehow “controlling” Trump. (Subtext from the minds of many of you: “we all know how ‘those Jews’ are.”)

No, controlling the U.S. Before Trump we gave Israel billions to engage with war with Palestine also.

But, now, we see that Trump is still his own man.

It is fascinating to watch your TDS-infected little minds trying to harmonize your inconsistent views. So, of course, you insist that what we have done against Iran constitutes a massive “failure.”

Not one of you has any depth in your analyses. It is beyond your limited myopic views and your minimal ability to think (or reason) that Iran will be seen as a massive success for America.

I speculate that to admit the positive view of what President Trump chose to do would be almost impossible for our close-minded TDS-infested liberals and leftists and progressives and socialists.

Oooooommmmmmmm.

 

[BackAgain]

No, controlling the U.S. Before Trump we gave Israel billions to engage with war with Palestine also.

Ah. Lay bare your conspiracy view of the Jews.

Oooooommmmmmmm.

Typical crap ^ reply.

 

[berg80]

Neither did trump.

U.S. Details Agreement With Iran as Trump Departs G7 Summit​

The terms of the preliminary agreement between the United States and Iran would reopen the Strait of Hormuz, outline a $300 billon plan for Iran’s reconstruction, and lift restrictions on the country’s oil exports, according to details described by a senior U.S. official on Wednesday.

But the agreement, whose terms had been unclear since its announcement on Sunday, would push talks about Iran’s nuclear program — President Trump’s oft-stated priority — into a 60-day negotiation period that could be extended by “mutual consent.”
The U.S. will lift sanctions on Iran’s oil industry when a preliminary deal is signed in what amounts to a major financial win for the country. Iran’s energy industry — the lifeblood of its economy — has been subject to financial restrictions for many years.
Senator Bill Cassidy, the Louisiana Republican whose re-election bid ended after he lost to a Trump-backed challenger, criticized the war in Iran and the proposed agreement to end it. “This is the worst foreign policy blunder in decades,” he said in a social media post.

Live Updates: Trump Hails U.S.-Iran Deal at G7 Summit as U.S. Shares Details of Agreement​

A U.S. official provided what was described as the text of the preliminary agreement, which outlined a $300 billion plan for Iran’s reconstruction and 60 days of talks on its nuclear program.

www.nytimes.com

Cassidy wouldn't be saying that if he had won his primary. Not because it isn't true. But because he would need the vote of trump fans to win in the general. And trump fans don't take kindly to observations like that.

I was struck by this complete, hypocritical about face on the return of Iranian assets after Don and the entire right wing of the country torched the JCPOA agreement.

Trump was pressed by a Fox News reporter on the difference between giving Iran billions of dollars and unfreezing $300 billion in Iranian assets. The Obama-era nuclear deal, which Trump repeatedly criticizes, also unfroze Iranian assets.

“We have taken their money,” he said. “It’s not our money. It’s their money and we froze it. At a certain point in time I guess we have to give it back.”

Unbelievable.