It really bugs me the rightwing thinks Americans are "exceptional"

[PaintMyHouse]

Americans were exceptional at one time back when we believed in freedom and personal responsibility.

However, that doesn't apply any more. We elected a Left government that destroyed those two exceptional attributes. That ship has sailed.

We are no better now than those failed European socialist shitholes, even worse.

Oh it still applies.

The fatal flaw in your theory is that you're including Liberals, Progressives, Socialists and the ever-so-rare for that which is everywhere... Communists, who happen to be either just living in the US or actual US Citizens, AS AMERICANS.

In truth, as no less an authority than a moderator on this very site recently noted:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Ya see, Nature precludes one from simultaneously adhering to BOTH: The Thesis and the Antithesis.

It simply cannot be done.​

Your Appeal to Authority, and he's wrong, is getting old. America is a Liberal Nation. If you aren't Liberal, then get out since it's not a country for you.

Right with 24% saying they are Liberal and the rest are Conservative and Moderate.
The Majority of this nation is not Liberal. Especially Socialist Liberals.
24% of this nation does not have the right to rule over the Majority like they are doing.

We Founded it, you get out if you don't like it, and it's not a Democracy.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

" ... in which government controls every aspect of ones life, such as what light bulb they use, or how big a drink they can buy, whether they can engage in business, and how much of their business is controlled or confiscated by government, and specific groups are treated with preference or penalty under the law, dependent on their race or success in life...."

Not Liberalism, then or now.

It is exactly what liberalism is doing now. They desperately deny it even as they put more such programs in place, of course - can't let the frog realize the heat is slowly being turned up.

Yes, legislation continues to happen. Of course, when your definition of "extending government control" is nearly any law that doesn't lower taxes, it's easy to find examples to support your "theory" in any functioning legislature.

Is there some other way to define a law that increases the cost of doing business, decreasing the number of people who can start a business, axiomatically limiting the freedom to do so?

Please enlighten the board as how you would otherwise define such.

Naturally, you're inevitable failure to do so will be accepted as your concession to the little acorn. So don't sweat it. When a reasonable period of time passes, I duly note and summarily accept your concession.

 

[Antares]

Americans were exceptional at one time back when we believed in freedom and personal responsibility.

However, that doesn't apply any more. We elected a Left government that destroyed those two exceptional attributes. That ship has sailed.

We are no better now than those failed European socialist shitholes, even worse.

Oh it still applies.

The fatal flaw in your theory is that you're including Liberals, Progressives, Socialists and the ever-so-rare for that which is everywhere... Communists, who happen to be either just living in the US or actual US Citizens, AS AMERICANS.

In truth, as no less an authority than a moderator on this very site recently noted:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Ya see, Nature precludes one from simultaneously adhering to BOTH: The Thesis and the Antithesis.

It simply cannot be done.​

Your Appeal to Authority, and he's wrong, is getting old. America is a Liberal Nation. If you aren't Liberal then get out since it's not a country for you.

Ain't you jus a living , breathing bad ass?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

YES... America is exceptional because Americans are comprised of people from other countries THAT ARE EXCEPTIONAL and ONLY in America can they become what their exceptionalism provides... the freedom to be exceptional!!!

10% of America's wealthiest 400 are indeed immigrants but the rest are American born. The 3 wealthiest Americans are not just home grown but also from humble roots. We do indeed have a culture which nurtures and encourages exceptionalism.

Forbes 400 The Richest People In Texas 2014 - Forbes

American exceptionalism has NOTHING to do with wealth.

ZERO, none, nada, zilch.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Americans were exceptional at one time back when we believed in freedom and personal responsibility.

However, that doesn't apply any more. We elected a Left government that destroyed those two exceptional attributes. That ship has sailed.

We are no better now than those failed European socialist shitholes, even worse.

Oh it still applies.

The fatal flaw in your theory is that you're including Liberals, Progressives, Socialists and the ever-so-rare for that which is everywhere... Communists, who happen to be either just living in the US or actual US Citizens, AS AMERICANS.

In truth, as no less an authority than a moderator on this very site recently noted:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Ya see, Nature precludes one from simultaneously adhering to BOTH: The Thesis and the Antithesis.

It simply cannot be done.​

Your Appeal to Authority, and he's wrong, is getting old. America is a Liberal Nation. If you aren't Liberal then get out since it's not a country for you.

Ain't you jus a living , breathing bad ass?

I'm a lot of things, in this case very honest.

 

[elektra]

When I saw the title of the thread, my first thought was, "what kind of idiot would post such a stupid thought".

 

[peach174]

Americans were exceptional at one time back when we believed in freedom and personal responsibility.

However, that doesn't apply any more. We elected a Left government that destroyed those two exceptional attributes. That ship has sailed.

We are no better now than those failed European socialist shitholes, even worse.

Oh it still applies.

The fatal flaw in your theory is that you're including Liberals, Progressives, Socialists and the ever-so-rare for that which is everywhere... Communists, who happen to be either just living in the US or actual US Citizens, AS AMERICANS.

In truth, as no less an authority than a moderator on this very site recently noted:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Ya see, Nature precludes one from simultaneously adhering to BOTH: The Thesis and the Antithesis.

It simply cannot be done.​

Your Appeal to Authority, and he's wrong, is getting old. America is a Liberal Nation. If you aren't Liberal, then get out since it's not a country for you.

Right with 24% saying they are Liberal and the rest are Conservative and Moderate.
The Majority of this nation is not Liberal. Especially Socialist Liberals.
24% of this nation does not have the right to rule over the Majority like they are doing.

We Founded it, you get out if you don't like it, and it's not a Democracy.

Socialist Liberals did not found America.

 

[Antares]

Americans were exceptional at one time back when we believed in freedom and personal responsibility.

However, that doesn't apply any more. We elected a Left government that destroyed those two exceptional attributes. That ship has sailed.

We are no better now than those failed European socialist shitholes, even worse.

Oh it still applies.

The fatal flaw in your theory is that you're including Liberals, Progressives, Socialists and the ever-so-rare for that which is everywhere... Communists, who happen to be either just living in the US or actual US Citizens, AS AMERICANS.

In truth, as no less an authority than a moderator on this very site recently noted:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Ya see, Nature precludes one from simultaneously adhering to BOTH: The Thesis and the Antithesis.

It simply cannot be done.​

Your Appeal to Authority, and he's wrong, is getting old. America is a Liberal Nation. If you aren't Liberal then get out since it's not a country for you.

Ain't you jus a living , breathing bad ass?

I'm a lot of things, in this case very honest.

You indeed are a lot of things, mostly just an ass.

 

[Pogo]

American Exceptionalism sounds a lot like that "Master Race" crap Hitler was peddling back in the '30s.

Bingo-roonie.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Americans were exceptional at one time back when we believed in freedom and personal responsibility.

However, that doesn't apply any more. We elected a Left government that destroyed those two exceptional attributes. That ship has sailed.

We are no better now than those failed European socialist shitholes, even worse.

Oh it still applies.

The fatal flaw in your theory is that you're including Liberals, Progressives, Socialists and the ever-so-rare for that which is everywhere... Communists, who happen to be either just living in the US or actual US Citizens, AS AMERICANS.

In truth, as no less an authority than a moderator on this very site recently noted:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Ya see, Nature precludes one from simultaneously adhering to BOTH: The Thesis and the Antithesis.

It simply cannot be done.​

Your Appeal to Authority, and he's wrong, is getting old. America is a Liberal Nation. If you aren't Liberal then get out since it's not a country for you.

Ain't you jus a living , breathing bad ass?

I'm a lot of things, in this case very honest.

You indeed are a lot of things, mostly just an ass.

Can't say as I care. If the pitchforks and ditch-diggers like yourself approved of me I'd be in shit-city, and as dumb as you are.

 

[Pogo]

the very root idea that "all men are created equal" (even if that had to be refined in practice) --- is the very essence of Liberalism. It's literally the stuff we're made of.

And by God, you're going to keep them equal, no matter how hard some of them try to be exceptional instead.

Am I? How?

(patiently)

You, plural. As your own statement was.

Liberals.

Are aiming to keep them equal. While preventing anyone who tries to excel from achieving his goal, by punishing him and taking away what he achieved.

It's literally the stuff you're made of.

And where did I do that?

Don't try to weasel-word you way out of this -- you said "you", that means me whether singly or as part of a group.
Now answer the damn question and quit the pussyfooting.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Americans were exceptional at one time back when we believed in freedom and personal responsibility.

However, that doesn't apply any more. We elected a Left government that destroyed those two exceptional attributes. That ship has sailed.

We are no better now than those failed European socialist shitholes, even worse.

Oh it still applies.

The fatal flaw in your theory is that you're including Liberals, Progressives, Socialists and the ever-so-rare for that which is everywhere... Communists, who happen to be either just living in the US or actual US Citizens, AS AMERICANS.

In truth, as no less an authority than a moderator on this very site recently noted:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Ya see, Nature precludes one from simultaneously adhering to BOTH: The Thesis and the Antithesis.

It simply cannot be done.​

Your Appeal to Authority, and he's wrong, is getting old. America is a Liberal Nation. If you aren't Liberal, then get out since it's not a country for you.

Right with 24% saying they are Liberal and the rest are Conservative and Moderate.
The Majority of this nation is not Liberal. Especially Socialist Liberals.
24% of this nation does not have the right to rule over the Majority like they are doing.

We Founded it, you get out if you don't like it, and it's not a Democracy.

ROFLMNAO!

No sir, the opposition to individual freedom did not found the United States.

The United States was founded upon the principle that all men are created equal BEFORE GOD; endowed by GOD with rights SO CERTAIN that no human power can remove them.

Now... let's run down your professed views:

Right to self defense through the ownership and effective use of a firearm... ? Last time we discussed it you were dead set against this.

Right to freely practice one's religion... you feel that such a right is limited to exercising such in church, and that such is limited to 'keeping it to yourself'.

The Right to one's Life... Now, we've discussed THIS MANY TIMES and you feel that this right is predicated upon whether or not one's life is convenient to the person who conceived ya, through their own willful and wanton behavior. And where one's life IS INCONVENIENT... one has no right to one's life. And there there is a RIGHT to murder the most innocent and defenseless of human life.

Which, if you're keeping SCORE... THAT would be YOU STANDING AGAINST THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL AMERICAN PRINCIPLE.

So... as any reasonably objective person can see... YOU and those like you... would have been tarred, feathered and likely castrated, prior to being hung from a sufficiently tall tree, by the Americans who founded the United States.

 

[Pogo]

" ... in which government controls every aspect of ones life, such as what light bulb they use, or how big a drink they can buy, whether they can engage in business, and how much of their business is controlled or confiscated by government, and specific groups are treated with preference or penalty under the law, dependent on their race or success in life...."

Not Liberalism, then or now.

It is exactly what liberalism is doing now. They desperately deny it even as they put more such programs in place, of course - can't let the frog realize the heat is slowly being turned up.

All you're doing is misusing a term you don't understand and then blaming those you just hung the label on.
The McCarthyites tried that 60 years ago. Horseshit then, horseshit now.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

...

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!
Ya see, Nature precludes one from simultaneously adhering to BOTH: The Thesis and the Antithesis.
It simply cannot be done.​

Your Appeal to Authority, and he's wrong, is getting old. America is a Liberal Nation. If you aren't Liberal then get out since it's not a country for you.

So, you're claiming here, that you oppose the principles that define America. Thus you have no kinship with America, it's founding principles or the Americans who declared their independence upon no less an authority than the very God who's existence you adamantly REJECT.

Understood.

And your overt concession is hereby duly noted and summarily accepted.

 

[Pogo]

Americans were exceptional at one time back when we believed in freedom and personal responsibility.

However, that doesn't apply any more. We elected a Left government that destroyed those two exceptional attributes. That ship has sailed.

We are no better now than those failed European socialist shitholes, even worse.

Oh it still applies.

The fatal flaw in your theory is that you're including Liberals, Progressives, Socialists and the ever-so-rare for that which is everywhere... Communists, who happen to be either just living in the US or actual US Citizens, AS AMERICANS.

In truth, as no less an authority than a moderator on this very site recently noted:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Ya see, Nature precludes one from simultaneously adhering to BOTH: The Thesis and the Antithesis.

It simply cannot be done.​

Your Appeal to Authority, and he's wrong, is getting old. America is a Liberal Nation. If you aren't Liberal, then get out since it's not a country for you.

Right with 24% saying they are Liberal and the rest are Conservative and Moderate.
The Majority of this nation is not Liberal. Especially Socialist Liberals.
24% of this nation does not have the right to rule over the Majority like they are doing.

We Founded it, you get out if you don't like it, and it's not a Democracy.

ROFLMNAO!

No sir, the opposition to individual freedom did not found the United States.

The United States was founded upon the principle that all men are created equal BEFORE GOD; endowed by GOD with rights SO CERTAIN that no human power can remove them.

Now... let's run down your professed views:

Right to self defense through the ownership and effective use of a firearm... ? Las time we discussed it you were dead set against this.

Right to freely practice one's religion... you feel that such a right is limited to exercising such in church, and that such is limited to 'keeping it to yourself'.

The Right to one's Life... Now, we've discussed THIS MANY TIMES and you feel that this right is predicated upon whether or not one's life is convenient to the person who conceived ya, through their own willful and
wanton behavior. And where one's life IS INCONVENIENT... one has no right to one's life.

So... you and those like you... would have been tarred, feathered and likely castrated prior to being hung from a sufficiently tall tree.

Your predilection for reposting the same already-refuted crapola and expecting different results has been summarily and universally accepted as humble concession. Again.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

" ... in which government controls every aspect of ones life, such as what light bulb they use, or how big a drink they can buy, whether they can engage in business, and how much of their business is controlled or confiscated by government, and specific groups are treated with preference or penalty under the law, dependent on their race or success in life...."

Not Liberalism, then or now.

It is exactly what liberalism is doing now. They desperately deny it even as they put more such programs in place, of course - can't let the frog realize the heat is slowly being turned up.

All you're doing is misusing a term you don't understand and then blaming those you just hung the label on.
The McCarthyites tried that 60 years ago. Horseshit then, horseshit now.

Well scamp, here's a little FYI for ya: the McCarthyites, have LONG since been proven to have been 100% correct.

So, that nonsense you're sputtering has long since been correct-ed.

See how that works?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Oh it still applies.

The fatal flaw in your theory is that you're including Liberals, Progressives, Socialists and the ever-so-rare for that which is everywhere... Communists, who happen to be either just living in the US or actual US Citizens, AS AMERICANS.

In truth, as no less an authority than a moderator on this very site recently noted:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Ya see, Nature precludes one from simultaneously adhering to BOTH: The Thesis and the Antithesis.

It simply cannot be done.​

Your Appeal to Authority, and he's wrong, is getting old. America is a Liberal Nation. If you aren't Liberal, then get out since it's not a country for you.

Right with 24% saying they are Liberal and the rest are Conservative and Moderate.
The Majority of this nation is not Liberal. Especially Socialist Liberals.
24% of this nation does not have the right to rule over the Majority like they are doing.

We Founded it, you get out if you don't like it, and it's not a Democracy.

ROFLMNAO!

No sir, the opposition to individual freedom did not found the United States.

The United States was founded upon the principle that all men are created equal BEFORE GOD; endowed by GOD with rights SO CERTAIN that no human power can remove them.

Now... let's run down your professed views:

Right to self defense through the ownership and effective use of a firearm... ? Las time we discussed it you were dead set against this.

Right to freely practice one's religion... you feel that such a right is limited to exercising such in church, and that such is limited to 'keeping it to yourself'.

The Right to one's Life... Now, we've discussed THIS MANY TIMES and you feel that this right is predicated upon whether or not one's life is convenient to the person who conceived ya, through their own willful and
wanton behavior. And where one's life IS INCONVENIENT... one has no right to one's life.

So... you and those like you... would have been tarred, feathered and likely castrated prior to being hung from a sufficiently tall tree.

Your predilection for reposting the same already-refuted crapola and expecting different results has been summarily and universally accepted as humble concession. Again.

So you come to pretend that you've refuted something, without feeling the slightest burden to reference that refutation?

ROFLMNAO!

Now isn't that PRECIOUS?

Children and Fools... they can be so... Entertaining.

But just IMAGINE where the US would be if some idiots ever provided them a voice in Government policy.

Good LORD!

We'd probably be looking at a world where their perverse notions of "FAIRNESS!" supplanted the actuarial lending principles that sustain the financial markets. Which could ONLY lead to a collapse of those markets... where they'd DEMAND that the institutions which succumbed to their unprincipled reasoning be BAILED OUT! At a cost of unimaginable tolls to the treasury... Men would be marrying men, women would be marrying their dogs and good GOD! They'd probably Elect a Muslim Marxist right in the wake of the catastrophc collapse of socialist policy and in the midst of a war with Islam!

OK! But honestly... who would be so foolish as to let the intellectually less fortunates VOTE?

 

[Pogo]

What makes America "exceptional" are the "exceptional" people that have come from countries that wouldn't allow them to benefit from their
exceptionalism. America is the ONLY country in the world that is made up of people from around the world...that were/are exceptional.
That's why America is "exceptional" has been the freedom to be "exceptional"!
Almost all the major advancements in the past 150 years have been because America rewards people that are exceptional and those exceptional people took their OWN chances,energy lives to advance themselves. All because these exceptional people recognized one simple common fact.
The United States rewards exceptionalism! Math,science,building things, running things, i.e. all the activities that a country needs to advance their society was achieved by these "exceptional" people.
And all you critics of American exceptionalism are seen as idiots by these "exceptional" people that have come from countries where women HAVE to walk behind a man! Where a member of a "caste" will never get ahead... but in America CAN. From countries that practice barbaric acts on their people and the "exceptional" ones have escaped!
YES... America is exceptional because Americans are comprised of people from other countries THAT ARE EXCEPTIONAL and ONLY in America can they become what their exceptionalism provides... the freedom to be exceptional!!!

Horseshit. You'll find as much if not more people-diversity in, say, Canada. Or Brasil. Less racism too.
Get your head out of the sand mirror. You and I are no 'better' than a random Swede, Indian or Japanese.

This elitism crap belongs in the crapper.

 

[Paperman299]

" ... in which government controls every aspect of ones life, such as what light bulb they use, or how big a drink they can buy, whether they can engage in business, and how much of their business is controlled or confiscated by government, and specific groups are treated with preference or penalty under the law, dependent on their race or success in life...."

Not Liberalism, then or now.

It is exactly what liberalism is doing now. They desperately deny it even as they put more such programs in place, of course - can't let the frog realize the heat is slowly being turned up.

Yes, legislation continues to happen. Of course, when your definition of "extending government control" is nearly any law that doesn't lower taxes, it's easy to find examples to support your "theory" in any functioning legislature.

Is there some other way to define a law that increases the cost of doing business, decreasing the number of people who can start a business, axiomatically limiting the freedom to do so?

Please enlighten the board as how you would otherwise define such.

Naturally, you're inevitable failure to do so will be accepted as your concession to the little acorn. So don't sweat it. When a reasonable period of time passes, I duly note and summarily accept your concession.

Hysterics aside, what you're saying is that you really do feel that most any law that doesn't lower taxes is aimed at increasing government control?

 

[Pogo]

Liberalism is what invented America.

Fixed it for ya bruh.

No actually America had to become strong before liberalism started to destroy it.

Liberalism created America; that's the fact.

OK, OK, that's not quite accurate, I know. It's intentionally colloquialized. Lemme fix it so it's technically correct:
Liberalism created the United States of America. The rest of the two continents, their mileage may vary.

what created America Pogo was a whole bunch of Colonists who had enough of the British treating them like shit......and that included the very conservative to the most liberal of them...remember John Hancock and John Adams were not on board with Sam Adams and Co. in the beginning......

The entire idea of governing derived from The People, as opposed to the subserviance under the Church/Nobility/Royalty that had held sway before then, indeed the very root idea that "all men are created equal" (even if that had to be refined in practice) --- is the very essence of Liberalism. It's literally the stuff we're made of.

back during the time of the Revolution, there were no liberal or conservatives....there was just a bunch of Colonists who grew tired of the British Crown treating the Colonists as second rate British Citizens,even thought they were still British Citizens...it did not matter how conservative or liberal you were.....if you wanted the British out you were with the "rebels" end of story.....

Don't be silly-- sure there were. Liberalism is the answer to the national question "where did I come from?". It was a new thing. The conservatives of the time were the ones hanging on to the old ways-- the Loyalists/Royalists. It wasn't a matter of "being tired of the British Crown" --- if that were all it was we would have just started our own Crown. We didn't.