It looks like reality may be setting in

[EvilCat Breath]

I very much doubt he is hiding. He's working on proving the election is a fraud.

We all know its a fraud but proving it is what lawyers and courts are for.

I hope the SC looks at this fraudulent election.

He’s playing golf and whining on the phone. Who are you kidding

If Biden were Trump right now you would be screaming election fraud long and loud. Who do you think you are kidding??

Wrong.

In 2016 Trump’s opponents made no claims of ‘fraud,’ did not pursue baseless lawsuits to overturn the election, and did not demand pointless recounts.

But there was the Russia investigation. And I'll agree Trump definitely created some smoke, and Russia did target specific voter groups on social media with … fake news. But the FBI did target Trump. The FBI targets people all the time: suspected child porn, money laundering, drug dealing, firearm offenses …..

Tres Gaudy Gowdy and Brave Brave Miz Lindsey and Ron "don't call me Reagan" Johnson's hounding after Hillary's emails aside, the FBI and dems did infect Trump's four years with a taint of illegitimacy.

Biden won fair and square, and he ran ON Trump as the issue. Trump is a disgusting person, and hopefully we'll see more civility and maybe even a little dignity in the WH. But I'm not dissing Trump supporters for thinking he got shafted.

Heroin Hunter and HoHo Harris will bring a lot of dignity to the white house.

 

[Shelzin]

Kind of slightly partially almost a little somewhat. I'm a CFP/Investment Advisor, probably selling the practice in three or four years. At this point I don't work all that much. Why?

The amount of time that would take would be... Astounding. I also watch as much as I can, and follow though as much as I can... But I can't watch the likes of what you threw up there and get anything else done. It took some time, but now that I KNOW Maddow is a hack... I no longer pay attention to her. Same with Limbaugh.

Occasionally they get something right without spin... But others will also pick up on it, so I didn't need to go through their bullshit.

 

[AntonToo]

Repeating same bullshit does not make it fresher.

Doesn't matter how bad or old it smells... If it's true.. It matters. But if you can't prove it... It suddenly doesn't matter in the end.

I asked for a specific example of an affidavit by Democrat watcher.

If they are part of a court case... Not sure how far you are going to get with that. Can't blame people for not sharing evidence on an ongoing court case.

Let me be clear... I believe there was fraud. I do not think that there will ever be enough evidence to support the claim in court. I believe Biden will be the next president.

Now.. I work to make the elections more transparent and secure. Would you like that as well?

I CAN blame people for making assertions they can't back up.

We've been at this voting thing for many many years, through many many grievances and court cases, there has NEVER been any fraud found that could overturn outcome of a state election by more than a few thousand votes.

You want to improve the system? Great. But thats not at all what this is about.

Trump was baselessly claiming historic fraud BEFORE EVEN A SINGLE VOTE IS CAST.

He claimed it in 2016 when it looked like he will lose, he claimed it after he won to deny losing popular vote, and he claimed it before 2020 while refusing to commit to a peaceful transition. His position has been that the ONLY possible way he could ever lose is by fraud.

He now lost and SURPRISE! he is super busy spreading baseless bullshit about voter fraud to his hopelessly clueless followers, while refusing to conceed.

This doesn't improve out democracy, this is the sort of rhetoric that BREAKS our democracy by undermining public trust in our elections among millions of Trump fans.

Trump talks big game about loving this country, but he obviously loves himself above all else. These are not actions of a patriot.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The reality is republicans should be asking themselves how best to sabotage Chicomcrats. Plans should be created and alternative plans. Trump has 73 million people willing to act against Chinese interests. He should use them to best interests.

 

[kaz]

The reality is republicans should be asking themselves how best to sabotage Chicomcrats. Plans should be created and alternative plans. Trump has 73 million people willing to act against Chinese interests. He should use them to best interests.

Republicans will hold the Senate. Then every Republican should vote "no" on every Biden appointee for four years to his administration and to the courts, just like Democrats did to Trump

 

[Mac1958]

Kind of slightly partially almost a little somewhat. I'm a CFP/Investment Advisor, probably selling the practice in three or four years. At this point I don't work all that much. Why?

The amount of time that would take would be... Astounding. I also watch as much as I can, and follow though as much as I can... But I can't watch the likes of what you threw up there and get anything else done. It took some time, but now that I KNOW Maddow is a hack... I no longer pay attention to her. Same with Limbaugh.

Occasionally they get something right without spin... But others will also pick up on it, so I didn't need to go through their bullshit.

Full disclosure, I was in that business for 18 years, so I can sniff out the bullshit and game-playing pretty quickly and read between the lines.

I've also stopped worrying or paying attention to the daily BOMBSHELLS and BREAKING NEWS crap that we constantly see in here. That stuff is nothing more than mental masturbation. If there is a story or issue that I am pretty much helpless to influence (which is pretty much all of them, right?), I'm more than happy to wait for the dust to settle and look at the final score. Then I formulate my positions from there.

98% of this stuff is essentially pro wrestling to me, but it's fascinating to observe. I care about results, not chatter.

 

[AntonToo]

The reality is republicans should be asking themselves how best to sabotage Chicomcrats. Plans should be created and alternative plans. Trump has 73 million people willing to act against Chinese interests. He should use them to best interests.

And this right here is how you get your dupes to cheat for you.

Irononically it is Trumpsters that usually get caught trying to commit the voting fraud, because they rationalize that the other side is cheating anyway.

Trump Supporter Charged in Voter Fraud Case

Voted twice because “the polls are rigged.”

www.thedailybeast.com

Trump Supporter Arrested For Requesting Absentee Ballot For Dead Mother

The president accuses Democrats of “voter fraud,” but one of his supporters became the first person in a Pennsylvania county charged with the crime in 30 years.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Shelzin]

I CAN blame people for making assertions they can't back up.

That's fair.

We've been at this voting this for many many years, through many many grievances and court cases, there has NEVER been any fraud found that could overturn outcome of a state election by more than a few thousand votes.

You want to improve the system? Great. But thats not at all what this is about.

It is for me. I think the system is set up to where cheating can be done, and not be able to be proven. Signature matching is a great example.

Both parties do this. Therefor it's a problem with our government, not with either party so to speak. But if enough of us, PEOPLE WHO THINK, ask for a more transparent and verifiable system... The problem won't be completely solved, but it'll go a hell of a long way for this shit to stop.

 

[kaz]

Kind of slightly partially almost a little somewhat. I'm a CFP/Investment Advisor, probably selling the practice in three or four years. At this point I don't work all that much. Why?

The amount of time that would take would be... Astounding. I also watch as much as I can, and follow though as much as I can... But I can't watch the likes of what you threw up there and get anything else done. It took some time, but now that I KNOW Maddow is a hack... I no longer pay attention to her. Same with Limbaugh.

Occasionally they get something right without spin... But others will also pick up on it, so I didn't need to go through their bullshit.

Full disclosure, I was in that business for 18 years, so I can sniff out the bullshit and game-playing pretty quickly and read between the lines.

I've also stopped worrying or paying attention to the daily BOMBSHELLS and BREAKING NEWS crap that we constantly see in here. That stuff is nothing more than mental masturbation. If there is a story or issue that I am pretty much helpless to influence (which is pretty much all of them, right?), I'm more than happy to wait for the dust to settle and look at the final score. Then I formulate my positions from there.

98% of this stuff is essentially pro wrestling to me, but it's fascinating to observe. I care about results, not chatter.

You couldn't sniff out bullshit on a cattle ranch

 

[Mac1958]

Kind of slightly partially almost a little somewhat. I'm a CFP/Investment Advisor, probably selling the practice in three or four years. At this point I don't work all that much. Why?

The amount of time that would take would be... Astounding. I also watch as much as I can, and follow though as much as I can... But I can't watch the likes of what you threw up there and get anything else done. It took some time, but now that I KNOW Maddow is a hack... I no longer pay attention to her. Same with Limbaugh.

Occasionally they get something right without spin... But others will also pick up on it, so I didn't need to go through their bullshit.

Full disclosure, I was in that business for 18 years, so I can sniff out the bullshit and game-playing pretty quickly and read between the lines.

I've also stopped worrying or paying attention to the daily BOMBSHELLS and BREAKING NEWS crap that we constantly see in here. That stuff is nothing more than mental masturbation. If there is a story or issue that I am pretty much helpless to influence (which is pretty much all of them, right?), I'm more than happy to wait for the dust to settle and look at the final score. Then I formulate my positions from there.

98% of this stuff is essentially pro wrestling to me, but it's fascinating to observe. I care about results, not chatter.

You couldn't sniff out bullshit on a cattle ranch

 

[Shelzin]

98% of this stuff is essentially pro wrestling to me, but it's fascinating to observe. I care about results, not chatter.

I miss Rick Flair, Arn Anderson, and Sting. This new age bullshit I can't watch.

Edit: I disagree about results only though... WHY matters. Always.

 

[beautress]

The Trumpsters here appear to be coming to the realization that the election has been won by Biden. Unless I see otherwise, I'll assume that you will still continue to believe that this was/is all a big conspiracy, and that everyone is "in" on it except for Trump and his Trumpsters. Nothing I can do about that. And now you're in a full-blown panic, because you believe what you've been told, that the brown shirts will be knocking at your door any minute now.

I can only try to suggest that perhaps, just perhaps, your "news" and "information" sources have been lying to you. You're human; humans can be conned. But I wonder if the tiniest percentage, just one or two percent, of you may come to realize that this alternate universe within you have been existing is really not your safe space.

Be a good little Nazi and turn your neighbor in

And so it begins. Be little snitches and throw your neighbor under the bus. It's all part of the Biden* plan to bring us together......in cattle cars Be sure to let us know when beijing biden sez this type of bx(behavior) is unacceptable...

www.usmessageboard.com

Harris-Biden Adminstration to Throw Open Borders and Give Away Our National Sovereignty

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/526538-will-biden-shut-down-the-country-and-throw-open-the-borders This is what Democrats have wanted for a long time. Shut down Americans and let foreign nations overtake us.

www.usmessageboard.com

Won by Extortion King Biden? More like Stolen by Democrat nerds whose software transferred Trump's votes to count for Biden. Yawn.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The reality is republicans should be asking themselves how best to sabotage Chicomcrats. Plans should be created and alternative plans. Trump has 73 million people willing to act against Chinese interests. He should use them to best interests.

And this right here is how you get your dupes to cheat for you.

Irononically it is Trumpsters that usually get caught trying to commit the voting fraud, because they rationalize that the other side is cheating anyway.

Oh I didn't mean voting fraud. Chicomcrats have that sewn up. There is far more to sabotage than voter fraud. Nibble away at the underpinnings of the illegitimate election. Draft the Biden family drug dealer to the cause.

 

[Mac1958]

98% of this stuff is essentially pro wrestling to me, but it's fascinating to observe. I care about results, not chatter.

I miss Rick Flair, Arn Anderson, and Sting. This new age bullshit I can't watch.

Edit: I disagree about results only though... WHY matters. Always.

The Why is a part of it, sure. Otherwise you can't formulate positions and ideas.

I'm talking about results vs. worthless non-stop partisan chatter, talking points, conspiracy theories, rumors, etc.

 

[Papageorgio]

If they were the kind of people that ever accepted reality they would not still be Trump supporters. They are going to insist Trump actually won by a landslide for the rest of their miserable lives.

No doubt there will be some of that. Maybe even a majority of them.

We'll see if a few percentage points can wake up and peel off from the banana.

Any optimism I ever had that any republican will ever wise up is long gone. Trump was bad but the next one will be worse. They have not learned a thing and never will.

The Democrats nominated Clinton and Biden, both are extremely poor choices. Had a decent candidate come forward in 2016, Trump would have been defeated. Biden barely hung on to beat Trump. We aren't getting any better candidates in the future, look at the candidates over the last several years, Trump, Biden, Clinton Romney, McCain, Obama, Bush, Kerry, Gore, Bill Clinton, Dole, Bush Sr.

I don't see any great candidates in this bunch, they all seem to represent big business and big money. I keep seeing worse and worse candidates and no end in sight, you would have thought the Democrats would have been smart enough to run a great candidate this time, but nope.

 

[AntonToo]

I CAN blame people for making assertions they can't back up.

That's fair.

We've been at this voting this for many many years, through many many grievances and court cases, there has NEVER been any fraud found that could overturn outcome of a state election by more than a few thousand votes.

You want to improve the system? Great. But thats not at all what this is about.

It is for me. I think the system is set up to where cheating can be done, and not be able to be proven. Signature matching is a great example.

Both parties do this. Therefor it's a problem with our government, not with either party so to speak. But if enough of us, PEOPLE WHO THINK, ask for a more transparent and verifiable system... The problem won't be completely solved, but it'll go a hell of a long way for this shit to stop.

Wait wait, you are sure "both parties do it"....while talking about something that can't be proven?

Thats not rational. Just because you could imagine something doesn't make it factual. Getting proven is the ONLY way something could be known for a fact.

Signature matching is imperfect science of course, but it takes an elaborate conspiracy to not get significant number of fraudelently submitted ballots flagged that someone else is signing.

 

[beautress]

And what exactly was your message for the last 4 years?

That Trump is a liar and completely unfit for the office that you idiots voted him into.

But the message was not that he stole the election.

No, Trump did not lie and the Democrats pulled out all the stops raising multiple false charges, all of which were deemed untrue since Trump never committed treason and never colluded with the Russian. The House finding was no collusion early on. The Senate finding was no collusion. The Mueller Report concurred no collusion by not only Trump but none of his staff was found colluding with Russia either.

 

[colfax_m]

No, Trump did not lie and the Democrats pulled out all the stops raising multiple false charges, all of which were deemed untrue since Trump never committed treason and never colluded with the Russian. The House finding was no collusion early on. The Senate finding was no collusion. The Mueller Report concurred no collusion by not only Trump but none of his staff was found colluding with Russia either.

Trump claimed in November 2016 that there was no communication with any foreign entity during the campaign.

That, we know, was quite false.

Here Are All the Times Donald Trump and His Associates Intersected With Russians

The Attorney General said the Mueller report found no evidence of collusion, but Trump associates still had a lot of contact with Russians.

time.com

 

[AntonToo]

No, Trump did not lie and the Democrats pulled out all the stops raising multiple false charges, all of which were deemed untrue since Trump never committed treason and never colluded with the Russian. The House finding was no collusion early on. The Senate finding was no collusion. The Mueller Report concurred no collusion by not only Trump but none of his staff was found colluding with Russia either.

Mueller Report EXPLICITLY did not look for "collusion". Investigation looked for CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, a much higher standard of co-operation.

Trump Jr. was exchanging emails and held a meeting with Russian government reps because he loved the idea of getting Hillary compromat from them. If thats not colluding with Russians then what the hell is? His daddy was even caught dictating a bullshit public letter on JR's behalf to explain those meetings as having been about the children adoption.

Manafort met with a Russian intelligence operative and handed over internal campaign polling data. If thats not colluding then what the hell is?

Trump himself lied to Mueller about his communications re. Wikileak dumps with Roger Stone.

Trump himself was implicated in 9-10 instances of Obstruction of Justice, by that same report.

Trump did not lie? What planet do you live on?

 

[Shelzin]

Wait wait, you are sure "both parties do it"....while talking about something that can't be proven?

I did say "I think"... It's my opinion that I can't prove... But obviously I think both parties are corrupt. I made no bones about that. It's my belief that is something can be taken advantage of, it will be taken advantage of my people of low character.

Thats not rational. Just because you could imagine something doesn't make it factual. Getting proven is the ONLY way something could be known for a fact.

Signature matching is imperfect science of course, but it takes an elaborate conspiracy to not get significant number of fraudelently submitted ballots flagged that someone else is signing.

That's why I would like to make the system better. That is something I can do, and prove.