It is now "fashionable" to be an ICE hater.

[MarathonMike]

The ICE gaslighting campaign is possibly the Democrats' most successful to date. Let's back up a bit and look at the big picture. The Biden Regime went full-on Open Borders and for four years we had a literal tsunami of who knows what pouring into our country from no less than 150 different countries. At least 10 million came across and possibly millions more because gotaways are difficult to estimate.

We have multiple deep blue cities that declared themselves "sanctuaries" for these illegals. They vowed to not comply with authorities in their apprehension and now we see are willing to go much further than that. GESTAPO!! NAZIIS! SS!! FASCISTS!!! The cries were relentless coming from the top of the Democratic Party down to the lowliest minion.

The result couldn't have been better for the Democrats. They have two martyrs that they can screech about 24/7. No one is talking about their responsibility in creating the massive population of illegals many of whom are criminals and some of them very violent criminals. No one is talking about Frey and Walz telling local police to stand back and allow the nutbags to do whatever they want and not arrest any of them just like Fretti who a week before should have been arrested. He would be alive today, but then they wouldn't have their martyr.

And of course now every Trump Hater, and every person who is angry about their situation has a target for their rage. Hollywood, entertainers and pro athletes are all jumping on the I HATE ICE train. Yes the Democrats sure know how to divide the country and manufacture a crisis. The ICE gaslighting campaign is a true masterclass.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The ICE gaslighting campaign is possibly the Democrats' most successful to date. Let's back up a bit and look at the big picture. The Biden Regime went full-on Open Borders and for four years we had a literal tsunami of who knows what pouring into our country from no less than 150 different countries. At least 10 million came across and possibly millions more because gotaways are difficult to estimate.

We have multiple deep blue cities that declared themselves "sanctuaries" for these illegals. They vowed to not comply with authorities in their apprehension and now we see are willing to go much further than that. GESTAPO!! NAZIIS! SS!! FASCISTS!!! The cries were relentless coming from the top of the Democratic Party down to the lowliest minion.

The result couldn't have been better for the Democrats. They have two martyrs that they can screech about 24/7. No one is talking about their responsibility in creating the massive population of illegals many of whom are criminals and some of them very violent criminals. No one is talking about Frey and Walz telling local police to stand back and allow the nutbags to do whatever they want and not arrest any of them just like Fretti who a week before should have been arrested. He would be alive today, but then they wouldn't have their martyr.

And of course now every Trump Hater, and every person who is angry about their situation has a target for their rage. Hollywood, entertainers and pro athletes are all jumping on the I HATE ICE train. Yes the Democrats sure know how to divide the country and manufacture a crisis. The ICE gaslighting campaign is a true masterclass.

Maybe it's just as fashionable as being MAGA and cheering everything that Trump does, no matter how stupid, or how much he insults people, or how much he changes his mind on everything.

 

[petro]

They can chant till their faces turn blue.

Still ain't forgetting about all that fraud.

 

[Votto]

 

[MarathonMike]

Maybe it's just as fashionable as being MAGA and cheering everything that Trump does, no matter how stupid, or how much he insults people, or how much he changes his mind on everything.

Just trying to get the haters to think about how we got here and why. Of course I get YABUT MAGA.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Just trying to get the haters to think about how we got here and why. Of course I get YABUT MAGA.

We know how we got here.

The electoral system is FPTP and it's easier for the rich to control how people vote. So they spend loads of money making sure people are voting only these two parties.

Then these parties need to differentiate themselves from each other, and there are no consequences for their actions because people are voting negatively AGAINST a political party, not for a political party, and they don't have real choice.

But hardly anyone is interested in the actual problems and solutions, they like the fight, the chaos and the simplicity of knowing who the "enemy" is.

 

[g5000]

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October 10:

ICE are chickenshit thugs. That's why they wear masks and no identification.

They've been harming innocent people. They have zero self-control and think their anonymity grants them immunity from being thugs.

And they are right because Dear Leader will pardon them for any violations of civil rights they commit. This incentivizes their thuggish behaviors.

It's just a matter of time before they murder someone.

You think you've seen protests up to now? Just wait till they kill someone.

TA-DAAAAAAAAA!

 

[g5000]

They can chant till their faces turn blue.

Still ain't forgetting about all that fraud.

Still ain't forgetting Trump is withholding the Epstein files.

 

[petro]

Still ain't forgetting Trump is withholding the Epstein files.

Still not forgetting Biden could have released them during his term.
Must not be all that incriminating for Trump compared to all the liberals on the list.

 

[MarathonMike]

Then these parties need to differentiate themselves from each other, and there are no consequences for their actions because people are voting negatively AGAINST a political party, not for a political party, and they don't have real choice.

I disagree. The choices between the Parties 60 years ago were more subtle. If you were a blue collar worker your interests were more aligned with Democrats. If you were white collar or wealthy your interests were more aligned with the GOP. Now the choice is the GOP and President Trump whose policies and actions are in America's best interests. The Democrats choose to embrace illegal immigrants and use every means to protect them.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I disagree. The choices between the Parties 60 years ago were more subtle. If you were a blue collar worker your interests were more aligned with Democrats. If you were white collar or wealthy your interests were more aligned with the GOP. Now the choice is the GOP and President Trump whose policies and actions are in America's best interests. The Democrats choose to embrace illegal immigrants and use every means to protect them.

Well.... based on what you say, I'd say you're not well informed.

 

[MarathonMike]

Well.... based on what you say, I'd say you're not well informed.

Do remember history differently? Let's hear it.

 

[Lockback]

The ICE gaslighting campaign is possibly the Democrats' most successful to date. Let's back up a bit and look at the big picture. The Biden Regime went full-on Open Borders and for four years we had a literal tsunami of who knows what pouring into our country from no less than 150 different countries. At least 10 million came across and possibly millions more because gotaways are difficult to estimate.

We have multiple deep blue cities that declared themselves "sanctuaries" for these illegals. They vowed to not comply with authorities in their apprehension and now we see are willing to go much further than that. GESTAPO!! NAZIIS! SS!! FASCISTS!!! The cries were relentless coming from the top of the Democratic Party down to the lowliest minion.

The result couldn't have been better for the Democrats. They have two martyrs that they can screech about 24/7. No one is talking about their responsibility in creating the massive population of illegals many of whom are criminals and some of them very violent criminals. No one is talking about Frey and Walz telling local police to stand back and allow the nutbags to do whatever they want and not arrest any of them just like Fretti who a week before should have been arrested. He would be alive today, but then they wouldn't have their martyr.

And of course now every Trump Hater, and every person who is angry about their situation has a target for their rage. Hollywood, entertainers and pro athletes are all jumping on the I HATE ICE train. Yes the Democrats sure know how to divide the country and manufacture a crisis. The ICE gaslighting campaign is a true masterclass.

It is absolutely a master class in gaslighting.
That's what a really clever organization funded by Soros and Singham can do.

 

[MayorQuimby]

The ICE gaslighting campaign is possibly the Democrats' most successful to date. Let's back up a bit and look at the big picture. The Biden Regime went full-on Open Borders and for four years we had a literal tsunami of who knows what pouring into our country from no less than 150 different countries. At least 10 million came across and possibly millions more because gotaways are difficult to estimate.

We have multiple deep blue cities that declared themselves "sanctuaries" for these illegals. They vowed to not comply with authorities in their apprehension and now we see are willing to go much further than that. GESTAPO!! NAZIIS! SS!! FASCISTS!!! The cries were relentless coming from the top of the Democratic Party down to the lowliest minion.

The result couldn't have been better for the Democrats. They have two martyrs that they can screech about 24/7. No one is talking about their responsibility in creating the massive population of illegals many of whom are criminals and some of them very violent criminals. No one is talking about Frey and Walz telling local police to stand back and allow the nutbags to do whatever they want and not arrest any of them just like Fretti who a week before should have been arrested. He would be alive today, but then they wouldn't have their martyr.

And of course now every Trump Hater, and every person who is angry about their situation has a target for their rage. Hollywood, entertainers and pro athletes are all jumping on the I HATE ICE train. Yes the Democrats sure know how to divide the country and manufacture a crisis. The ICE gaslighting campaign is a true masterclass.

You know, sometimes I really wonder, who in the modern age still votes Dem? They just seem like not just violent criminal thugs, they are literally insane to me. I really think that by this point, even the most idealistic and most gullible whites have woken up and left the party. The whole party probably is entirely running on minorities who vote in exchange for the massive welfare programs the party's leaders promise them. I can't imagine any sane white person endorsing the chaos and lawlessness that pours out from them.

 

[MarathonMike]

You know, sometimes I really wonder, who in the modern age still votes Dem? They just seem like not just violent criminal thugs, they are literally insane to me. I really think that by this point, even the most idealistic and most gullible whites have woken up and left the party. The whole party probably is entirely running on minorities who vote in exchange for the massive welfare programs the party's leaders promise them. I can't imagine any sane white person endorsing the chaos and lawlessness that pours out from them.

It is joked about, but TDS is a recognized mental disorder. Counselors and psychiatrists are making bank with a new wave of TDS sufferers seeking relief.

 

[MayorQuimby]

It is joked about, but TDS is a recognized mental disorder. Counselors and psychiatrists are making bank with a new wave of TDS sufferers seeking relief.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I actually don't like Trump that much, either, but, I would probably still vote for him, because at least he's not a Dem.

Although ideally I would want a president who is actually, truly for the American people. But that's the topic for another thread.

 

[g5000]

Still not forgetting Biden could have released them during his term.

You forget Trump had them first in 2019. If there was anything incriminating about Democrats in the PedoFiles, Trump would have used it to win 49 states in the 2020 election.

Instead, Trump buried them in 2019, and is keeping them buried.

Hmmmm...

 

[MarathonMike]

I mean, don't get me wrong, I actually don't like Trump that much, either, but, I would probably still vote for him, because at least he's not a Dem.

Although ideally I would want a president who is actually, truly for the American people. But that's the topic for another thread.

That's interesting. You don't see Trump as a populist President? No tax on tips, capping credit card interest, Trump accounts, directing the purchase of $200 billion dollars in mortgage bonds...he seems to be taking more action for the American people than any President in recent history.

 

[MayorQuimby]

That's interesting. You don't see Trump as a populist President? No tax on tips, capping credit card interest, Trump accounts, directing the purchase of $200 billion dollars in mortgage bonds...he seems to be taking more action for the American people than any President in recent history.

The way I see Trump, he is likely a front person put forth by the Powers That Be, because the latter has detected a huge undercurrent of discontent among a large swath of Americans. Trump says a lot of things that Americans want to hear, because his masters have realized that this is what's needed, otherwise there might arise true opposition.

I will try and see if I can give you examples of why Trump isn't a truly populist president, keeping in mind that I am not from your country and haven't followed your politics too closely: the covid "vaccine". Trump pushed these shots that really were poison, on the American people, because he was just following orders of the globalist, WEF-related elites, who did not even hide their intention of wanting to depopulate the world. But of course, I realize that if you are truly for Trump, then you will have a hard time accepting that the shots he pushed are actually bad for the populace. Another proof is what he recently did to the Venezuelan president. He was again furthering the agenda and economic interests of those he serves, by sending American troops to another country that your country is not at war with, to friggin abduct their democratically elected leader, on some flimsy pretext that I don't even care to remember, but we all know it's for all that lovely oil. These are but the two examples that come to my mind as a foreigner. If you are willing to entertain the idea that Trump is just as much of the Deep State that he claims to fight, and try to keep an objective mind, I am sure you will find more examples that reveal Trump's betrayal of the American people, and where his loyalty really lies.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Do remember history differently? Let's hear it.

It's not really about history.

It's what exists now.

2017 German federal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

German federal election 2017. Why am I talking about Germany? Because they vote PR and FPTP at the same time.

This allows me to show you the difference in how an electoral system can change the vote.

The first point is that FPTP benefits the larger parties. People will generally decide there are only two choices, this party or that party, and any other vote is a wasted vote.

So the CDU/CSU gained 37.27% of the constituency vote. But they won 231 seats out of 299 constituency seats.

That means they won 77% of the seats with 37% of the vote. This would tell people that voting third party is pointless. So, in the US system where the main way of selecting people is FPTP, people will understand there's no point in voting for third party.

With PR the CDU/CSU got 32.9% of the vote. They lost more than 4% of the vote. Why? Because people felt they had to vote CDU/CSU with FPTP but didn't actually want to vote for them. And this is with them knowing that FPTP doesn't reflect the final make up of the Bundestag.

So, FPTP manipulates the voting. It's not the people choosing who they want to represent them, it's the system.

Clearly for the rich, this is great. They don't need to focus on every seat, just the marginal seats and that money only needs to change the minds of a few votes (who probably don't like either party) in order to gain a lot of success.

We can see with the Presidential election, that all the money goes to the marginal states. The same with Congress.

Now, the most costly US Senate seat (so, one seat among 535 seats) cost about the same, or more, than the whole of the German federal election for 709 seats in 2017 (it changes based on how to take the constituency vote and make it proportional).

Why? Because money is very important in US elections. Those small changes can have a huge impact. You can win (and Republicans are most likely to gain from this) the election without having the majority of the votes.

The will of the people is not important.

The rich control. You want to be a Congressman or woman, you might need the money because money buy success. If they're giving you money, you do their bidding.

So, US politicians are all about doing the bidding of the rich, unless they're lucky enough to not need to spend loads of money to win an election.

Spending: by the numbers - FEC.gov

Explore current and historic federal campaign finance data on the new fec.gov. Look at totals and trends, and see how candidates and committees raise and spend money. When you find what you need, export results and save custom links.

www.fec.gov

One dude has spend $37 million already on a Senate seat for 2026. For example.

Democrats have embraced open borders because A) it defines them, B) they might think it gives them an advantage and C) because they do not have many consequences.

There's no other left wing party to vote for. So people are going to look at the Republicans and say "I don't like them, let's vote Democrat", rather than "I don't like either of them, let's vote someone else.

My example of this is the AfD, a further right party. The equivalent in the UK is any party run by Nigel Farage. In 2015 UKIP gained 12.6% of the vote and won one seat in the UK. The UK has FPTP like the US. In 2017 the AfD got 12.6% of the vote and won 91 seats out of 709. That's 12% of the seats.

Political parties like the Reps and Dems don't have to worry about smaller parties. When the AfD did well, it shook up the CDU/CSU, they had to change. In the UK with UKIP coming up, they didn't really change that much. Yes, there are consequences to this, because the UK is less about money than the US is. But still, the Reform Party got 14% of the vote and only 5 MPs at the last election and the next election they'll split the vote helping the left.

This is the left that with Labour and the Lib Dems got more votes in every election from 2010 to 2024 than the Tories got, except 2019 where the Tories got less than 1,000 votes more. And yet the Tories got an extra 25% of the seats.

So, the will of the people is not there. The consequences are messed up.

In the US it's even harder to get a foot up. Nigel Farage has spent 35 years trying to get elected, he finally managed it in 2024, with 4 other new MPs. In Germany he could have done this within five years.

So, you have to understand how FPTP controls the voting process. How people will end up not voting for who they want, but negatively for who they don't want, which hands the election to the Reps and Dems every time.

Which is the US's third party? It's the Green Party with 163 "other elected official", no Congressmen or women, no state congressmen or women, no presidents, no governors... just road sweeps...

Germany has 6 parties that people can choose from, it gives people power in their vote. It make politicians have to think about the people they're representing, instead of just the money.