It is now "fashionable" to be an ICE hater.

[petro]

You forget Trump had them first in 2019. If there was anything incriminating about Democrats in the PedoFiles, Trump would have used it to win 49 states in the 2020 election.

Instead, Trump buried them in 2019, and is keeping them buried.

Hmmmm...

Off topic whataboutism failure.

 

[MarathonMike]

The way I see Trump, he is likely a front person put forth by the Powers That Be, because the latter has detected a huge undercurrent of discontent among a large swath of Americans. Trump says a lot of things that Americans want to hear, because his masters have realized that this is what's needed, otherwise there might arise true opposition.

I will try and see if I can give you examples of why Trump isn't a truly populist president, keeping in mind that I am not from your country and haven't followed your politics too closely: the covid "vaccine". Trump pushed these shots that really were poison, on the American people, because he was just following orders of the globalist, WEF-related elites, who did not even hide their intention of wanting to depopulate the world. But of course, I realize that if you are truly for Trump, then you will have a hard time accepting that the shots he pushed are actually bad for the populace. Another proof is what he recently did to the Venezuelan president. He was again furthering the agenda and economic interests of those he serves, by sending American troops to another country that your country is not at war with, to friggin abduct their democratically elected leader, on some flimsy pretext that I don't even care to remember, but we all know it's for all that lovely oil. These are but the two examples that come to my mind as a foreigner. If you are willing to entertain the idea that Trump is just as much of the Deep State that he claims to fight, and try to keep an objective mind, I am sure you will find more examples that reveal Trump's betrayal of the American people, and where his loyalty really lies.

Maduro was clearly not the duly elected President as the vast majority of Venezuelan people despise him. Venezuela has been decimated by Chavez and Maduro and now is basically Grand Central Station for every major drug cartel and enemy of America that exists. And yes, we are finally benefiting slightly from the oil industry America setup for Venezuela but that is a minor benefit, certainly not the primary mission.

Covid was a once in 100 year pandemic event. Trump was doing everything he could as fast as he could dealing with this unknown threat. No one knew WTF to do. Fauci was telling us masks don't work. oh wait masks do work., oh wait you need double masks. The mRNA vaccine was presented by the medical establishment as THE ANSWER so Trump worked to get it to the people as fast as possible.

I appreciate you discussing your perspectives as a foreign person in a reasonable manner. There are foreigners on this board whose sole purpose seems to be bashing America and Trump.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Maduro was clearly not the duly elected President as the vast majority of Venezuelan people despise him. Venezuela has been decimated by Chavez and Maduro and now is basically Grand Central Station for every major drug cartel and enemy of America that exists. And yes, we are finally benefiting slightly from the oil industry America setup for Venezuela but that is a minor benefit, certainly not the primary mission.

Covid was a once in 100 year pandemic event. Trump was doing everything he could as fast as he could dealing with this unknown threat. No one knew WTF to do. Fauci was telling us masks don't work. oh wait masks do work., oh wait you need double masks. The mRNA vaccine was presented by the medical establishment as THE ANSWER so Trump worked to get it to the people as fast as possible.

I appreciate you discussing your perspectives as a foreign person in a reasonable manner. There are foreigners on this board whose sole purpose seems to be bashing America and Trump.

Thank you sir and I appreciate your analysis, too. Anyway, I see that you truly believe in Trump's beneficence and there isn't much I can do to convince you otherwise. So instead, I will simply leave you with this to chew on: In most arenas of politics, only the venal, the corrupt, the aggressive, the uncaring, the mendacious, the pathologically ambitious, those who see nothing wrong with pushing others off the ladder, can rise to the top. Think about whether the foregoing is true, by looking at the state of your country's political scene. And then look at Trump, who rose to the very, very top. Please consider that there exists the possibility that he might, just might, be not that good for your country. I am not trying to fracture your party or to otherwise shake your belief in him as a president; but rather, I say the above as a warning to you. Please do not blindly believe in the goodness, of everyone who says he has good intentions towards you.

I wish you and your countrymen good luck.

 

[MarathonMike]

Thank you sir and I appreciate your analysis, too. Anyway, I see that you truly believe in Trump's beneficence and there isn't much I can do to convince you otherwise. So instead, I will simply leave you with this to chew on: In most arenas of politics, only the venal, the corrupt, the aggressive, the uncaring, the mendacious, the pathologically ambitious, those who see nothing wrong with pushing others off the ladder, can rise to the top. Think about whether the foregoing is true, by looking at the state of your country's political scene. And then look at Trump, who rose to the very, very top. Please consider that there exists the possibility that he might, just might, be not that good for your country. I am not trying to fracture your party or to otherwise shake your belief in him as a president; but rather, I say the above as a warning to you. Please do not blindly believe in the goodness, of everyone who says he has good intentions towards you.

I wish you and your countrymen good luck.

I do not agree with everything that Donald Trump says or does. There is a misconception that anyone who supports Donald Trump as President is some naive blind worshiper. There may be some that are, but I would say they are the minority. Most are like me who have watched America being dragged into a quagmire of woke bullshit and Democrat fueled division. I view Donald Trump as a personally flawed man who has the traits we desperately need to pull the country back. He has proven that he is absolutely fearless and takes on every sacred cow institution and foreign adversary when other Presidents cowered because it was easier to just kick the can down the road.

He has achieved remarkable things in his first year of his last term. We will see the full "Trump Affect" over the next three years and you may be proven right. I happen to think he has been right about all the big issues he is tackling while tripping over the little things (e.g. Greenland) that give his detractors ammunition to attack him. Again thanks for your input!

 

[Lockback]

I do not agree with everything that Donald Trump says or does. There is a misconception that anyone who supports Donald Trump as President is some naive blind worshiper. There may be some that are, but I would say they are the minority. Most are like me who have watched America being dragged into a quagmire of woke bullshit and Democrat fueled division. I view Donald Trump as a personally flawed man who has the traits we desperately need to pull the country back. He has proven that he is absolutely fearless and takes on every sacred cow institution and foreign adversary when other Presidents cowered because it was easier to just kick the can down the road.

He has achieved remarkable things in his first year of his last term. We will see the full "Trump Affect" over the next three years and you may be proven right. I happen to think he has been right about all the big issues he is tackling while tripping over the little things (e.g. Greenland) that give his detractors ammunition to attack him. Again thanks for your input!

Beautifully written piece and one I completely agree with.
Without question the greatest myth in politics is that everybody who voted for Trump or who agrees with him on almost all his policies is in a "cult". Nothing pisses me off more. I don't always agree with him and there are times he makes me wince with his words but overall he was exactly what was needed at this time in American history. He has the guts to take on the big jobs that other presidents have shirked from.
The current Democrat Party is the greatest threat to America since the Civil War. And we are currently on track to Civil War II. It's not due to Trump, it's due to the Dems. Trump won't back down. And I don't want him to.

 

[MarathonMike]

Beautifully written piece and one I completely agree with.
Without question the greatest myth in politics is that everybody who voted for Trump or who agrees with him on almost all his policies is in a "cult". Nothing pisses me off more. I don't always agree with him and there are times he makes me wince with his words but overall he was exactly what was needed at this time in American history. He has the guts to take on the big jobs that other presidents have shirked from.
The current Democrat Party is the greatest threat to America since the Civil War. And we are currently on track to Civil War II. It's not due to Trump, it's due to the Dems. Trump won't back down. And I don't want him to.

Well said! I think most of us view Trump as a true "turning point" President. America was on a dangerous trajectory and I don't know if the trends would have been reversible had UGH!! Kamala Harris won in 2024.

 

[leftwinger]

You forget Trump had them first in 2019. If there was anything incriminating about Democrats in the PedoFiles, Trump would have used it to win 49 states in the 2020 election.

Instead, Trump buried them in 2019, and is keeping them buried.

Hmmmm...

There is no there there but pictures of Slick getting a rubdown on his overseas flights. You want that? Or stories by bimbo hoe looking for a payday? What are you going to do with that? ASSume guilt? You dumb TDS infected board stain clown.

 

[martybegan]

Maybe it's just as fashionable as being MAGA and cheering everything that Trump does, no matter how stupid, or how much he insults people, or how much he changes his mind on everything.

He's doing mostly what we voted for him to do.

Suck it.

 

[leftwinger]

I do not agree with everything that Donald Trump says or does. There is a misconception that anyone who supports Donald Trump as President is some naive blind worshiper. There may be some that are, but I would say they are the minority. Most are like me who have watched America being dragged into a quagmire of woke bullshit and Democrat fueled division. I view Donald Trump as a personally flawed man who has the traits we desperately need to pull the country back. He has proven that he is absolutely fearless and takes on every sacred cow institution and foreign adversary when other Presidents cowered because it was easier to just kick the can down the road.

He has achieved remarkable things in his first year of his last term. We will see the full "Trump Affect" over the next three years and you may be proven right. I happen to think he has been right about all the big issues he is tackling while tripping over the little things (e.g. Greenland) that give his detractors ammunition to attack him. Again thanks for your input!

By every possible measure, change and result President Trump is light years better than the Obiden disaster we endured. JOEKamal would have been a continuance to crime and destruction.

The issue is CONgress more so than any President? Congress is still causing fiscal collapse plain and simple funding fraud and nonsense. GAO themselves estimate fraud in 2022 was up to $500B.

 

[MarathonMike]

It's not really about history.

It's what exists now.

2017 German federal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

German federal election 2017. Why am I talking about Germany? Because they vote PR and FPTP at the same time.

This allows me to show you the difference in how an electoral system can change the vote.

The first point is that FPTP benefits the larger parties. People will generally decide there are only two choices, this party or that party, and any other vote is a wasted vote.

So the CDU/CSU gained 37.27% of the constituency vote. But they won 231 seats out of 299 constituency seats.

That means they won 77% of the seats with 37% of the vote. This would tell people that voting third party is pointless. So, in the US system where the main way of selecting people is FPTP, people will understand there's no point in voting for third party.

With PR the CDU/CSU got 32.9% of the vote. They lost more than 4% of the vote. Why? Because people felt they had to vote CDU/CSU with FPTP but didn't actually want to vote for them. And this is with them knowing that FPTP doesn't reflect the final make up of the Bundestag.

So, FPTP manipulates the voting. It's not the people choosing who they want to represent them, it's the system.

Clearly for the rich, this is great. They don't need to focus on every seat, just the marginal seats and that money only needs to change the minds of a few votes (who probably don't like either party) in order to gain a lot of success.

We can see with the Presidential election, that all the money goes to the marginal states. The same with Congress.

Now, the most costly US Senate seat (so, one seat among 535 seats) cost about the same, or more, than the whole of the German federal election for 709 seats in 2017 (it changes based on how to take the constituency vote and make it proportional).

Why? Because money is very important in US elections. Those small changes can have a huge impact. You can win (and Republicans are most likely to gain from this) the election without having the majority of the votes.

The will of the people is not important.

The rich control. You want to be a Congressman or woman, you might need the money because money buy success. If they're giving you money, you do their bidding.

So, US politicians are all about doing the bidding of the rich, unless they're lucky enough to not need to spend loads of money to win an election.

Spending: by the numbers - FEC.gov

Explore current and historic federal campaign finance data on the new fec.gov. Look at totals and trends, and see how candidates and committees raise and spend money. When you find what you need, export results and save custom links.

www.fec.gov

One dude has spend $37 million already on a Senate seat for 2026. For example.

Democrats have embraced open borders because A) it defines them, B) they might think it gives them an advantage and C) because they do not have many consequences.

There's no other left wing party to vote for. So people are going to look at the Republicans and say "I don't like them, let's vote Democrat", rather than "I don't like either of them, let's vote someone else.

My example of this is the AfD, a further right party. The equivalent in the UK is any party run by Nigel Farage. In 2015 UKIP gained 12.6% of the vote and won one seat in the UK. The UK has FPTP like the US. In 2017 the AfD got 12.6% of the vote and won 91 seats out of 709. That's 12% of the seats.

Political parties like the Reps and Dems don't have to worry about smaller parties. When the AfD did well, it shook up the CDU/CSU, they had to change. In the UK with UKIP coming up, they didn't really change that much. Yes, there are consequences to this, because the UK is less about money than the US is. But still, the Reform Party got 14% of the vote and only 5 MPs at the last election and the next election they'll split the vote helping the left.

This is the left that with Labour and the Lib Dems got more votes in every election from 2010 to 2024 than the Tories got, except 2019 where the Tories got less than 1,000 votes more. And yet the Tories got an extra 25% of the seats.

So, the will of the people is not there. The consequences are messed up.

In the US it's even harder to get a foot up. Nigel Farage has spent 35 years trying to get elected, he finally managed it in 2024, with 4 other new MPs. In Germany he could have done this within five years.

So, you have to understand how FPTP controls the voting process. How people will end up not voting for who they want, but negatively for who they don't want, which hands the election to the Reps and Dems every time.

Which is the US's third party? It's the Green Party with 163 "other elected official", no Congressmen or women, no state congressmen or women, no presidents, no governors... just road sweeps...

Germany has 6 parties that people can choose from, it gives people power in their vote. It make politicians have to think about the people they're representing, instead of just the money.

It has everything to do with history. You have again dodged the thread subject and are comparing our 2 Party system with Germany's multi-party system. That's interesting but it's the subject of another discussion, one you want to talk about while ignoring the one you don't want to talk about.

 

[Hellbilly]

The ICE gaslighting campaign is possibly the Democrats' most successful to date. Let's back up a bit and look at the big picture. The Biden Regime went full-on Open Borders and for four years we had a literal tsunami of who knows what pouring into our country from no less than 150 different countries. At least 10 million came across and possibly millions more because gotaways are difficult to estimate.

We have multiple deep blue cities that declared themselves "sanctuaries" for these illegals. They vowed to not comply with authorities in their apprehension and now we see are willing to go much further than that. GESTAPO!! NAZIIS! SS!! FASCISTS!!! The cries were relentless coming from the top of the Democratic Party down to the lowliest minion.

The result couldn't have been better for the Democrats. They have two martyrs that they can screech about 24/7. No one is talking about their responsibility in creating the massive population of illegals many of whom are criminals and some of them very violent criminals. No one is talking about Frey and Walz telling local police to stand back and allow the nutbags to do whatever they want and not arrest any of them just like Fretti who a week before should have been arrested. He would be alive today, but then they wouldn't have their martyr.

And of course now every Trump Hater, and every person who is angry about their situation has a target for their rage. Hollywood, entertainers and pro athletes are all jumping on the I HATE ICE train. Yes the Democrats sure know how to divide the country and manufacture a crisis. The ICE gaslighting campaign is a true masterclass.

 

[leftwinger]

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That's helpful little 12yr old boy much?

 

[MarathonMike]

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How childish. Thank you for your troll now run along.

 

[Hellbilly]

How childish. Thank you for your troll now run along.

Don’t tell me what to do white boy

 

[frigidweirdo]

It has everything to do with history. You have again dodged the thread subject and are comparing our 2 Party system with Germany's multi-party system. That's interesting but it's the subject of another discussion, one you want to talk about while ignoring the one you don't want to talk about.

I'm showing you what exists, what is possible.

The last person I spoke to about this said "I'm not interested in Germany".

It seems like a lot of people just aren't interested in learning things that could improve the US.

 

[MayorQuimby]

He's doing mostly what we voted for him to do.

Suck it.

I am not a Dem supporter but just wanted to play devil's advocate: Didn't Trump endorse a candidate that was massively anti-2A? This is contrary to his campaign promise, and the Gun Owners of America was very unhappy about it, too.

 

[martybegan]

I am not a Dem supporter but just wanted to play devil's advocate: Didn't Trump endorse a candidate that was massively anti-2A? This is contrary to his campaign promise, and the Gun Owners of America was very unhappy about it, too.

I don't go for the "one bad thing means I have to give up all support of everything" trope when it comes to politicans in general.

Trump aligns more with my political leanings than dems do, and I believe third parties are wasted unless they supplant one of the two main parties.