"It is not a war. It is murder."

[abi]

Ventura77

Please delete that photo and place a link if you must with a warning. That's just fucked up.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I thought I responded to the first one I pointed out in my first post in a very fair way.

He pointed out that Israel is creating a reality where they can cut off food, medical supplies, and other necessities. I agree. They can. But they don't. Instead, they ensure that the needs of the Gazan people are met. Israel actually does that BETTER than Hamas does.

So the question on the table is: Is there a BETTER way to conduct a conflict or respond to acts of belligerent violence against one's citizens? What is the objective mark we are trying to hit here, with respect to a response to acts of violence?

Note the insistence here again that 'Israel' defends itself against 'acts of violence?' To even pose such absurdity it becomes necessary to truncate the history of the conflict, the theft of colonial Palestine and the appalling military occupation and its gruesome concomitants...this is textbook Hasbara and this repulsive individual is lifting each response straight from detailed propaganda-software...the signatures are unmistakable!

Note the insistence that those being attacked by Muslim animals do not have a right to retaliate or defend themselves. This is textbook Islamist mentality that can be seen in groups like ISIS and Hamas.

Israel always has to "defend itself" from the people it is attacking.

You need to understand that the rockets fired by Hamas and the other Islamic terrorist franchises are attacks aimed at Israel. I’m not sure how you missed that.

Those rockets never crossed a border into Israel.

Bullshit.

 

[Roudy]

Ventura77

Please delete that photo and place a link if you must with a warning. That's just fucked up.

It's also Pallywood fake news.

 

[abi]

Note the insistence here again that 'Israel' defends itself against 'acts of violence?' To even pose such absurdity it becomes necessary to truncate the history of the conflict, the theft of colonial Palestine and the appalling military occupation and its gruesome concomitants...this is textbook Hasbara and this repulsive individual is lifting each response straight from detailed propaganda-software...the signatures are unmistakable!

Note the insistence that those being attacked by Muslim animals do not have a right to retaliate or defend themselves. This is textbook Islamist mentality that can be seen in groups like ISIS and Hamas.

Israel always has to "defend itself" from the people it is attacking.

You need to understand that the rockets fired by Hamas and the other Islamic terrorist franchises are attacks aimed at Israel. I’m not sure how you missed that.

Those rockets never crossed a border into Israel.

Bullshit.

He is correct as Israel has still refused to demarcate her borders.

It's also Pallywood fake news.

Please stop being so gullible. Palestinian children die. They get their heads blown off, they get their houses bombed. Let's try for a touch of reality, but that picture was unnecessary.

 

[Roudy]

Hooray for Pallywood!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The OP title claims to differentiate between war and murder, with the implication being the former is legally and morally permissible while the latter is not. What distinguishes the justification of killing people in the former and the condemnation of the latter?

An occupying power cannot claim self defense against an occupied people.

Gaza is not occupied.

Have a nice day!

 

[Roudy]

Note the insistence that those being attacked by Muslim animals do not have a right to retaliate or defend themselves. This is textbook Islamist mentality that can be seen in groups like ISIS and Hamas.

Israel always has to "defend itself" from the people it is attacking.

You need to understand that the rockets fired by Hamas and the other Islamic terrorist franchises are attacks aimed at Israel. I’m not sure how you missed that.

Those rockets never crossed a border into Israel.

Bullshit.

He is correct as Israel has still refused to demarcate her borders.

It's also Pallywood fake news.

Please stop being so gullible. Palestinian children die. They get their heads blown off, they get their houses bombed. Let's try for a touch of reality, but that picture was unnecessary.

And who's fault is it that Palestinians shoot missiles from schools, hosptals, and apartment buildings? By the way the term "children" is also fake fake Pallywood news, most of the so called dead children are actually 15 to 28 year old Hamas fighters.

 

[Roudy]

Ready....Action!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Note the insistence that those being attacked by Muslim animals do not have a right to retaliate or defend themselves. This is textbook Islamist mentality that can be seen in groups like ISIS and Hamas.

Israel always has to "defend itself" from the people it is attacking.

You need to understand that the rockets fired by Hamas and the other Islamic terrorist franchises are attacks aimed at Israel. I’m not sure how you missed that.

Those rockets never crossed a border into Israel.

Bullshit.

He is correct as Israel has still refused to demarcate her borders.

It's also Pallywood fake news.

Please stop being so gullible. Palestinian children die. They get their heads blown off, they get their houses bombed. Let's try for a touch of reality, but that picture was unnecessary.

They don't have a border with the Gaza strip?

You are an idiot!

https://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/gaza_strip_may_2005.jpg

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The OP title claims to differentiate between war and murder, with the implication being the former is legally and morally permissible while the latter is not. What distinguishes the justification of killing people in the former and the condemnation of the latter?

An occupying power cannot claim self defense against an occupied people.

The objective criteria, then, is that all actions by the occupier are considered murder and all actions by the occupied are considered justified defense. Have I got that right?

Pretty much.

Well, except for the fact that they are not occupied!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Jewish people, collectively, have been there for millennia.

Ridiculously false. Some perhaps, most converted to Christianity a few centuries after Christ and then later to Islam. Then, they appear after another conversion, this time to Judaism in what is now Turkey and southern Russia before spreading across Europe. These people only immigrated to the ME in the last century.

Your knowledge of history is underwhelming. Get an education or forever be ignorant and the target of ridicule!

 

[abi]

They don't have a border with the Gaza strip?

You are an idiot!

https://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/gaza_strip_may_2005.jpg

I said that she never demarcated her borders. It's true. And building a wall around your prisoners is not an international border. Look at what the UN mandate actually gave the zionists and look at the map today. Compare the two and check back. Thanks for any further respectful discussion.

 

[fncceo]

Look at what the UN mandate actually gave the zionists

America in 1776

Sorry about that, Indians.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Ventura77

Please delete that photo and place a link if you must with a warning. That's just fucked up.

It's also Pallywood fake news.

One look at the weapons gave it away! The Israelis don't use AK-47s.

 

[fncceo]

Since 1967 ... Israel has given up half its country for peace ... how much is enough for you?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They don't have a border with the Gaza strip?

You are an idiot!

https://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/gaza_strip_may_2005.jpg

I said that she never demarcated her borders. It's true. And building a wall around your prisoners is not an international border. Look at what the UN mandate actually gave the zionists and look at the map today. Compare the two and check back. Thanks for any further respectful discussion.

Ever hear of land captured as a result of warfare? Maybe if you studied the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict you might actually learn the truth.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Look at what the UN mandate actually gave the zionists

America in 1776

Sorry about that, Indians.

It's OK. We have gotten past it.

 

[Ventura77]

native Americans were being ethnically-cleansed Jewish-owned slave-ships were hauling African Slaves into the fledgling colonies to work the lands that had been taken from the native tribes...

There you go! I knew you could blame Jews if you really tried hard enough. I'm kvelling for you.

You really are an immoral lying POS...

 

[Ventura77]

Ventura77

Please delete that photo and place a link if you must with a warning. That's just fucked up.

Why? The photo cuts through the tide of despicable lies and vulgar poses from the Zionist trash who mob these boards...the photo depicts the appalling reality of what Israeli Jews do to people without the resources to even put up a fight!!!!

 

[Ventura77]

The OP title claims to differentiate between war and murder, with the implication being the former is legally and morally permissible while the latter is not. What distinguishes the justification of killing people in the former and the condemnation of the latter?

An occupying power cannot claim self defense against an occupied people.

The objective criteria, then, is that all actions by the occupier are considered murder and all actions by the occupied are considered justified defense. Have I got that right?

Pretty much.

Well, except for the fact that they are not occupied!

...really stupid? Perhaps you can educate us all in how exactly the Palestinians 'are not occupied?" LOL