"It is not a war. It is murder."

[Ventura77]

I'm not sure what arguing about ancient history is going to accomplish. Jews are in Israel and we're there to stay.

להתמודד עם זה, מפסידים

Permit me to offer a brief explanation: Those Jews who are in Israel are there at the expense of a native population who've lost everything to them---and continue to lose their lands...property...children...lives. Does this help dispel your preferred Utopia fantasy?

 

[fncceo]

at the expense of a native population who've lost everything to them---and continue to lose their lands...property...children...lives.

Will you be leaving America soon?

 

[Ventura77]

I'm not sure what arguing about ancient history is going to accomplish. Jews are in Israel and we're there to stay.

להתמודד עם זה, מפסידים

Perhaps you could post a contrasting photo of the families in Gaza being harassed at IDF checkpoints, or watching their children shot by courageous IDF snipers?

 

[Roudy]

The objective criteria, then, is that all actions by the occupier are considered murder and all actions by the occupied are considered justified defense. Have I got that right?

Pretty much.

So here's what I see as being problematic in your worldview. Its not actually objective. Its that the "good guy" can do no wrong and the "bad guy" is always wrong. The actual actions are irrelevant in your worldview. Any action is permissible. (read: moral and legal) if it is done for the "right" cause or for the "right" guys. You are claiming, in fact, that there is NO WAY to objectively differentiate between murder and war. They are nonsense terms in your worldview. There are only "good" guys and "bad" guys. What good guys do is "good" and what bad guys do is "bad".

But its entirely subjective as to who is "good" and who is "bad". I would suggest there should be another measure.

And (actually unrelated to above):

Who is the occupied and who is the occupier? Its a civil war where each claims to be occupied by foreigners.

Do you mean to tell me that no one has bothered to explain to you who is 'occupied?" and who 'occupies'? Do you imagine in the febrile, convoluted recesses of you brain that Palestinians 'occupy' the Israelis? If so may I humbly recommend and good psychiatrist whose specialty is cognitive disorders...?

It appears dufus failed in world history as well. is Achmed claiming that the Persians, Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Ottomans never conquered or occupied other people's and lands? All that happened in Israel is the Jews regained their ancient religious, cultural, and spiritual homeland after it had been attacked, conquered, squatted on, and occupied by a long list of invaders throughout history, including the so called Palestinians who are basically Arab invaders and squatters.

Says the F-student and avowed propaganda-troll????? This 'reclamation' fantasy/lie is perhaps the central pillar of your crude architecture of lies Goober...two immutable facts contradict this nonsense:

#1 There is no precedent for an absentee land-claim which spans 13---count em rube---centuries...LOL

#2 There is no DNA connection between Zionist Jews and the ancient Hebrew Semites...

So all the lands the Arabs invaded, conquered and Islamicized in the Middle East, What's their connection to those lands, including to Israel, other than Arabs were successful at invading, conquering, murdering, raping, and looting?

Did you say there is no connection between today's Jews in Israel (and throughout the world) and the ancient Jews? Bwahahahahaha!

Seriously Achmed, get a ******* life.

 

[Ventura77]

at the expense of a native population who've lost everything to them---and continue to lose their lands...property...children...lives.

Will you be leaving America soon?

Its funny how you trolls invariably run to this...let me help you: when the ruthless European Christians were slaughtering native American tribes and raiding their lands we had no form of international law or the mechanisms to enforce it...this was not the case in 1948...hope this helps...LOL

 

[fncceo]

I'm not sure what arguing about ancient history is going to accomplish. Jews are in Israel and we're there to stay.

להתמודד עם זה, מפסידים

Perhaps you could post a contrasting photo of the families in Gaza being harassed at IDF checkpoints, or watching their children shot by courageous IDF snipers?

 

[Roudy]

I'm not sure what arguing about ancient history is going to accomplish. Jews are in Israel and we're there to stay.

להתמודד עם זה, מפסידים

Perhaps you could post a contrasting photo of the families in Gaza being harassed at IDF checkpoints, or watching their children shot by courageous IDF snipers?

Or a photo of a Palestinian animal strapping in a suicide best and then blowing up a bunch of women and kids at a pizzarea?

 

[Ventura77]

Pretty much.

So here's what I see as being problematic in your worldview. Its not actually objective. Its that the "good guy" can do no wrong and the "bad guy" is always wrong. The actual actions are irrelevant in your worldview. Any action is permissible. (read: moral and legal) if it is done for the "right" cause or for the "right" guys. You are claiming, in fact, that there is NO WAY to objectively differentiate between murder and war. They are nonsense terms in your worldview. There are only "good" guys and "bad" guys. What good guys do is "good" and what bad guys do is "bad".

But its entirely subjective as to who is "good" and who is "bad". I would suggest there should be another measure.

And (actually unrelated to above):

Who is the occupied and who is the occupier? Its a civil war where each claims to be occupied by foreigners.

Do you mean to tell me that no one has bothered to explain to you who is 'occupied?" and who 'occupies'? Do you imagine in the febrile, convoluted recesses of you brain that Palestinians 'occupy' the Israelis? If so may I humbly recommend and good psychiatrist whose specialty is cognitive disorders...?

It appears dufus failed in world history as well. is Achmed claiming that the Persians, Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Ottomans never conquered or occupied other people's and lands? All that happened in Israel is the Jews regained their ancient religious, cultural, and spiritual homeland after it had been attacked, conquered, squatted on, and occupied by a long list of invaders throughout history, including the so called Palestinians who are basically Arab invaders and squatters.

Says the F-student and avowed propaganda-troll????? This 'reclamation' fantasy/lie is perhaps the central pillar of your crude architecture of lies Goober...two immutable facts contradict this nonsense:

#1 There is no precedent for an absentee land-claim which spans 13---count em rube---centuries...LOL

#2 There is no DNA connection between Zionist Jews and the ancient Hebrew Semites...

So all the lands the Arabs invaded, conquered and Islamicized in the Middle East, What's their connection to those lands, including to Israel, other than Arabs were successful at invading, conquering, murdering, raping, and looting?

Did you say there is no connection between today's Jews in Israel (and throughout the world) and the ancient Jews? Bwahahahahaha!

Seriously Achmed, get a ******* life.

Dude its really not worth arguing with someone of your intellectual deprivations...you are obviously young, STUPID and brainwashed...please find someone better educated to explain the DNA evidence that shatters the 'reclamation fantasy'...hey stay in touch though...LOL

 

[Roudy]

at the expense of a native population who've lost everything to them---and continue to lose their lands...property...children...lives.

Will you be leaving America soon?

Its funny how you trolls invariably run to this...let me help you: when the ruthless European Christians were slaughtering native American tribes and raiding their lands we had no form of international law or the mechanisms to enforce it...this was not the case in 1948...hope this helps...LOL

The Arab Muslims were much worse to the "natives" of the lands they invaded including Christian lands in Europe.

 

[fncceo]

at the expense of a native population who've lost everything to them---and continue to lose their lands...property...children...lives.

Will you be leaving America soon?

Its funny how you trolls invariably run to this...let me help you: when the ruthless European Christians were slaughtering native American tribes and raiding their lands we had no form of international law or the mechanisms to enforce it...this was not the case in 1948...hope this helps...LOL

It's nearly 2018, you have plenty of mechanisms to deal with it now. What's stopping you? Is it because you can't blame the extermination of Indians on the Jews?

 

[Ventura77]

I'm not sure what arguing about ancient history is going to accomplish. Jews are in Israel and we're there to stay.

להתמודד עם זה, מפסידים

Perhaps you could post a contrasting photo of the families in Gaza being harassed at IDF checkpoints, or watching their children shot by courageous IDF snipers?

Or a photo of a Palestinian animal strapping in a suicide best and then blowing up a bunch of women and kids at a pizzarea?

...How bout a video of cowardly IDF sissies baiting Arab children to throw rocks by cursing at them in Arabic or calling them 'Arabushim' and then opening fire on ten year old kids throwing rocks....the stalwart bravery of the IDF brings a tear to my eyes...

 

[fncceo]

I'm not sure what arguing about ancient history is going to accomplish. Jews are in Israel and we're there to stay.

להתמודד עם זה, מפסידים

Perhaps you could post a contrasting photo of the families in Gaza being harassed at IDF checkpoints, or watching their children shot by courageous IDF snipers?

Or a photo of a Palestinian animal strapping in a suicide best and then blowing up a bunch of women and kids at a pizzarea?

...How bout a video of cowardly IDF sissies baiting Arab children to throw rocks by cursing at them in Arabic or calling them 'Arabushim' and then opening fire on ten year old kids throwing rocks....the stalwart bravery of the IDF brings a tear to my eyes...

 

[Roudy]

So here's what I see as being problematic in your worldview. Its not actually objective. Its that the "good guy" can do no wrong and the "bad guy" is always wrong. The actual actions are irrelevant in your worldview. Any action is permissible. (read: moral and legal) if it is done for the "right" cause or for the "right" guys. You are claiming, in fact, that there is NO WAY to objectively differentiate between murder and war. They are nonsense terms in your worldview. There are only "good" guys and "bad" guys. What good guys do is "good" and what bad guys do is "bad".

But its entirely subjective as to who is "good" and who is "bad". I would suggest there should be another measure.

And (actually unrelated to above):

Who is the occupied and who is the occupier? Its a civil war where each claims to be occupied by foreigners.

Do you mean to tell me that no one has bothered to explain to you who is 'occupied?" and who 'occupies'? Do you imagine in the febrile, convoluted recesses of you brain that Palestinians 'occupy' the Israelis? If so may I humbly recommend and good psychiatrist whose specialty is cognitive disorders...?

It appears dufus failed in world history as well. is Achmed claiming that the Persians, Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Ottomans never conquered or occupied other people's and lands? All that happened in Israel is the Jews regained their ancient religious, cultural, and spiritual homeland after it had been attacked, conquered, squatted on, and occupied by a long list of invaders throughout history, including the so called Palestinians who are basically Arab invaders and squatters.

Says the F-student and avowed propaganda-troll????? This 'reclamation' fantasy/lie is perhaps the central pillar of your crude architecture of lies Goober...two immutable facts contradict this nonsense:

#1 There is no precedent for an absentee land-claim which spans 13---count em rube---centuries...LOL

#2 There is no DNA connection between Zionist Jews and the ancient Hebrew Semites...

So all the lands the Arabs invaded, conquered and Islamicized in the Middle East, What's their connection to those lands, including to Israel, other than Arabs were successful at invading, conquering, murdering, raping, and looting?

Did you say there is no connection between today's Jews in Israel (and throughout the world) and the ancient Jews? Bwahahahahaha!

Seriously Achmed, get a ******* life.

Dude its really not worth arguing with someone of your intellectual deprivations...you are obviously young, STUPID and brainwashed...please find someone better educated to explain the DNA evidence that shatters the 'reclamation fantasy'...hey stay in touch though...LOL

DNA evidence alone is not the only factor that gives the Jews the land, you Internet jihadist mental midget. You "Palestinians" just don't get to own a land you never controlled. At the time Israel was created Arabs were squatting on land conquered by the Ottomans, who were defeated b the allies. In other words they had jack shit to say about who or what happens to the land.

 

[Ventura77]

at the expense of a native population who've lost everything to them---and continue to lose their lands...property...children...lives.

Will you be leaving America soon?

Its funny how you trolls invariably run to this...let me help you: when the ruthless European Christians were slaughtering native American tribes and raiding their lands we had no form of international law or the mechanisms to enforce it...this was not the case in 1948...hope this helps...LOL

It's nearly 2018, you have plenty of mechanisms to deal with it now. What's stopping you? Is it because you can't blame the extermination of Indians on the Jews?

First off both parties are dead...LOL!!!!!
Wrong yet again Sluggo...at the very time that native Americans were being ethnically-cleansed Jewish-owned slave-ships were hauling African Slaves into the fledgling colonies to work the lands that had been taken from the native tribes...

 

[Ventura77]

Do you mean to tell me that no one has bothered to explain to you who is 'occupied?" and who 'occupies'? Do you imagine in the febrile, convoluted recesses of you brain that Palestinians 'occupy' the Israelis? If so may I humbly recommend and good psychiatrist whose specialty is cognitive disorders...?

It appears dufus failed in world history as well. is Achmed claiming that the Persians, Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Ottomans never conquered or occupied other people's and lands? All that happened in Israel is the Jews regained their ancient religious, cultural, and spiritual homeland after it had been attacked, conquered, squatted on, and occupied by a long list of invaders throughout history, including the so called Palestinians who are basically Arab invaders and squatters.

Says the F-student and avowed propaganda-troll????? This 'reclamation' fantasy/lie is perhaps the central pillar of your crude architecture of lies Goober...two immutable facts contradict this nonsense:

#1 There is no precedent for an absentee land-claim which spans 13---count em rube---centuries...LOL

#2 There is no DNA connection between Zionist Jews and the ancient Hebrew Semites...

So all the lands the Arabs invaded, conquered and Islamicized in the Middle East, What's their connection to those lands, including to Israel, other than Arabs were successful at invading, conquering, murdering, raping, and looting?

Did you say there is no connection between today's Jews in Israel (and throughout the world) and the ancient Jews? Bwahahahahaha!

Seriously Achmed, get a ******* life.

Dude its really not worth arguing with someone of your intellectual deprivations...you are obviously young, STUPID and brainwashed...please find someone better educated to explain the DNA evidence that shatters the 'reclamation fantasy'...hey stay in touch though...LOL

DNA evidence alone is not the only factor that gives the Jews the land, you Internet jihadist mental midget. You "Palestinians" just don't get to own a land you never controlled. At the time Israel was created Arabs were squatting on land conquered by the Ottomans, who were defeated b the allies. In other words they had jack shit to say about who or what happens to the land.

Dude seriously you are just too stupid to correct...

 

[Ventura77]

I'm not sure what arguing about ancient history is going to accomplish. Jews are in Israel and we're there to stay.

להתמודד עם זה, מפסידים

Perhaps you could post a contrasting photo of the families in Gaza being harassed at IDF checkpoints, or watching their children shot by courageous IDF snipers?

Or a photo of a Palestinian animal strapping in a suicide best and then blowing up a bunch of women and kids at a pizzarea?

...How bout a video of cowardly IDF sissies baiting Arab children to throw rocks by cursing at them in Arabic or calling them 'Arabushim' and then opening fire on ten year old kids throwing rocks....the stalwart bravery of the IDF brings a tear to my eyes...

 

[fncceo]

native Americans were being ethnically-cleansed Jewish-owned slave-ships were hauling African Slaves into the fledgling colonies to work the lands that had been taken from the native tribes...

There you go! I knew you could blame Jews if you really tried hard enough. I'm kvelling for you.

 

[Roudy]

I'm not sure what arguing about ancient history is going to accomplish. Jews are in Israel and we're there to stay.

להתמודד עם זה, מפסידים

Perhaps you could post a contrasting photo of the families in Gaza being harassed at IDF checkpoints, or watching their children shot by courageous IDF snipers?

Or a photo of a Palestinian animal strapping in a suicide best and then blowing up a bunch of women and kids at a pizzarea?

...How bout a video of cowardly IDF sissies baiting Arab children to throw rocks by cursing at them in Arabic or calling them 'Arabushim' and then opening fire on ten year old kids throwing rocks....the stalwart bravery of the IDF brings a tear to my eyes...

Why do you Arabs always attack unsuspecting unarmed civilians? You do it all over Europe and now in Israel. you know why that is, Achmed, don't you, that because of the legendary cowardice and incompetence of Arab armies. Arab Muslims are blowhards, they always run and hide when an actual army marches in.

 

[fncceo]

I'm not sure what arguing about ancient history is going to accomplish. Jews are in Israel and we're there to stay.

להתמודד עם זה, מפסידים

Perhaps you could post a contrasting photo of the families in Gaza being harassed at IDF checkpoints, or watching their children shot by courageous IDF snipers?

Or a photo of a Palestinian animal strapping in a suicide best and then blowing up a bunch of women and kids at a pizzarea?

...How bout a video of cowardly IDF sissies baiting Arab children to throw rocks by cursing at them in Arabic or calling them 'Arabushim' and then opening fire on ten year old kids throwing rocks....the stalwart bravery of the IDF brings a tear to my eyes...

Why did those Palestinians hurt those children and why did they call a bunch of people with cameras instead of a doctor?

 

[Roudy]

I'm not sure what arguing about ancient history is going to accomplish. Jews are in Israel and we're there to stay.

להתמודד עם זה, מפסידים

Perhaps you could post a contrasting photo of the families in Gaza being harassed at IDF checkpoints, or watching their children shot by courageous IDF snipers?

Or a photo of a Palestinian animal strapping in a suicide best and then blowing up a bunch of women and kids at a pizzarea?

...How bout a video of cowardly IDF sissies baiting Arab children to throw rocks by cursing at them in Arabic or calling them 'Arabushim' and then opening fire on ten year old kids throwing rocks....the stalwart bravery of the IDF brings a tear to my eyes...

That's your brother Assad killing his own people.