Issues on which I disagree with the right

[Rigby5]

Crime is never justified. Instead of robbing somebody, go out and get a job. Instead of spending whatever money you have on kids you could never afford, spend it in a growth fund. Instead of watching Rap videos on YouTube, Google success stories and investment strategies.

Crime can easily be justified.
The Boston Tea Party for example.
When I say "crime", that does not include personal harm.
I mean more like that which is covered by insurance.
The fact I would not do it does not mean I do not empathize with the motivations.
When I lived in TX for a year, I saw some pretty bad abuses of the poor by the wealthy.

 

[Rigby5]

YOU are the liar.

Roosevelt got us into WWII - a Democrat
Truman got us into Korea - a Democrat
JFK got us into Viet Nam - a Democrat

As for Iraq, it is another fat lie, just like your Russian Collusion lie, to say that Bush lied.

Bush Did Not Lie

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Bush Didn’t Lie | National Review

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Bush Did Not Lie

How the U.S. ended up fighting a war in Iraq.

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Roosevelt did not get us into WWII, Congress did.
Truman apparently did get us into Korea however.
Vietnam was actually Eisenhower.

But Iraq was all the fault of Bush.
The claims Iraq had WMD were ridiculous.
Sure we had given Saddam WWI type chemical weapons, but he never had any success with anything worth worrying about, and never was any sort of threat to the US. In fact, he had asked the US ambassador, Glasspie, for permission before invading Kuwait.
Saddam was our most loyal ally.
We were the ones who turned traitor against him.
He was honorable.

 

[Rigby5]

And if rape and murder was legal...

Wrong.
Rape and murder harm the rights of others.
Drugs harm no one else, so there is no way you can make them illegal in a democratic republic.

 

[Rigby5]

LOL Socialism is based on majority rule. It has nothing to do with "social empathy".

All normal human societies are actually based on "social empathy".
The fact majority rule is the detail of how that gets expressed, does not change the fact humans naturally and inherently have empathy for other humans.
If we did not have empathy for other humans, and were inherently solitary carnivores, human society would be totally different.

 

[Rigby5]

Does socialism require everyone to participate, or is it voluntary in both participation and funding?

Socialism could be voluntary in participation and funding if you never had much effect on others.
For example, a person living in a rural location who did not employ others or make enough to pay taxes, would likely be free to do whatever they wanted, under socialism.
Socialism is mostly about ensuring basics like education, health care, pensions, defense, etc.
Socialism is most important when the poor majority are strongly under the control of the wealthy elite, like in a company owned town.

 

[Rigby5]

Nothing about socialism is voluntary.

Not at all true.
Socialism is the most in harmony with human nature, so is the most voluntary of all systems.

 

[Rigby5]

Sounds like totalitarianism in useful idiot clothing, then.
I'm interested in seeing rigby5's response, if he dares.

Who is likely to be a totalitarian?
It is those who want wealth the most, which are capitalists, not socialists.
Totalitarianism is a minority ruling over the majority in order to make the highest profits for them.
Socialism is inherently for the majority, so then can't be totalitarian at all.
If a system is totalitarian, you know automatically it can not possibly be socialism, which is cooperative, collective, and communal.

 

[Rigby5]

Socialism is totalitarianism in useful idiot clothing, like a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Wrong.
Anything totalitarian obviously is for the wealthy, capitalist, elite.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Socialism could be voluntary in participation and funding if you never had much effect on others.
For example, a person living in a rural location who did not employ others or make enough to pay taxes, would likely be free to do whatever they wanted, under socialism.
Socialism is mostly about ensuring basics like education, health care, pensions, defense, etc.
Socialism is most important when the poor majority are strongly under the control of the wealthy elite, like in a company owned town.

Then what I suggest is you move to a socialist country and try it out for a while. Then if you find out it's a bad deal, you can always move back to the good ole USA. But once you change this place into all the others and find out it wasn't a good idea, there will be no USA to move back to. It will be gone forever. There is only one USA in this world, and that's why we are trying to preserve it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wrong.
Rape and murder harm the rights of others.
Drugs harm no one else, so there is no way you can make them illegal in a democratic republic.

You should explain that to my cousin. She lost her son at the age of 27 to drugs. He was hooked on them since a teenager. I ran into her about a year after his death. She nor her husband will ever be the same.

 

[Rigby5]

Then what I suggest is you move to a socialist country and try it out for a while. Then if you find out it's a bad deal, you can always move back to the good ole USA. But once you change this place into all the others and find out it wasn't a good idea, there will be no USA to move back to. It will be gone forever. There is only one USA in this world, and that's why we are trying to preserve it.

The US is one of the more socialist countries in the world.
With Scandinavians and Switzerland being about the only ones more socialist.
And even if other countries might be better, is it MUCH safer to remain in the US, where privilege is highest.
Same reason why every one wanted to live in Ancient Rome when Ancient Rome was invading everyone they could.

Countries taken over by Stalinists are the least socialist and the most capitalist.

 

[Rigby5]

You should explain that to my cousin. She lost her son at the age of 27 to drugs. He was hooked on them since a teenager. I ran into her about a year after his death. She nor her husband will ever be the same.

I was not saying drugs are a good idea, but just that there is no legal way to criminalize them in a democratic republic, and clearly the attempt to do so in the US has only increase the problem by at least a factor of 10.
Making drugs illegal just increase the profit enticement.
Same happened when they did alcohol prohibition.
Profits greatly increased organized crime.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Crime can easily be justified.
The Boston Tea Party for example.
When I say "crime", that does not include personal harm.
I mean more like that which is covered by insurance.
The fact I would not do it does not mean I do not empathize with the motivations.
When I lived in TX for a year, I saw some pretty bad abuses of the poor by the wealthy.

I seriously doubt that. At 61 years old the wealthy only provided me with great products, great services, and ultimately a job.

 

[dblack]

Not at all true.
Socialism is the most in harmony with human nature, so is the most voluntary of all systems.

Riiiiiight. Rainbows and unicorns.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I was not saying drugs are a good idea, but just that there is no legal way to criminalize them in a democratic republic, and clearly the attempt to do so in the US has only increase the problem by at least a factor of 10.
Making drugs illegal just increase the profit enticement.
Same happened when they did alcohol prohibition.
Profits greatly increased organized crime.

That's because alcohol is a social beverage. Drugs are just drugs. Most people have no desire for them outside of medical use.

What is legal and illegal in this country is decided by our representatives that we vote for. As for alcohol, once legal again we had more and more people using it. The same would happen with legalized drugs. Black market? Colorado has a terrible time with it. The drug sellers simply sell their pot tax free to beat out government prices.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The US is one of the more socialist countries in the world.
With Scandinavians and Switzerland being about the only ones more socialist.
And even if other countries might be better, is it MUCH safer to remain in the US, where privilege is highest.
Same reason why every one wanted to live in Ancient Rome when Ancient Rome was invading everyone they could.

Countries taken over by Stalinists are the least socialist and the most capitalist.

All you people that talk about how great other countries are never leave. I find that amazing. Socialism is an attempt to make everybody equal; to take over industry and give it to the people. That never works because there would be no motivation for anybody to make new products or erect new companies.

 

[BluesLegend]

Wrong.
Rape and murder harm the rights of others.
Drugs harm no one else, so there is no way you can make them illegal in a democratic republic.

Drugs killed my kid brother and harmed my whole family. Now get lost.

 

[Concerned American]

Then what I suggest is you move to a socialist country and try it out for a while. Then if you find out it's a bad deal, you can always move back to the good ole USA. But once you change this place into all the others and find out it wasn't a good idea, there will be no USA to move back to. It will be gone forever. There is only one USA in this world, and that's why we are trying to preserve it.

If the US is so bad, why is everyone in the world trying to come here.

 

[Rigby5]

I seriously doubt that. At 61 years old the wealthy only provided me with great products, great services, and ultimately a job.

You can't change your racial appearance, but you can dress to look poor and homeless sometime, in order to see how people treat you entirely differently.

 

[Rigby5]

Riiiiiight. Rainbows and unicorns.

Do you deny that the post office, public schools, and Amtrak are socialist?