Because the Basic Laws specifically exclude other Israelite tribes. If I am a descendant from the tribe Ephraim I do not have the same right of return as do Jews.
that may be the single dumbest thing anyone has ever said.
If I claimed I was a descendant would I get the automatic right to citizenship that Jews get?
The right to return is unrelated to any tribal affiliation. Are you really saying this? I drank a lot last night and fear that this is all a weird dream.
Does the Hebrew refer to "Jew" and "Jewish" or "Israelite"? why is it so poorly translated if the Hebrew uses the latter term?
Jewish. The "Jewish People".Why are you asking about the translation's quality. Just read it in the original. If I wanted to study the US declaration of Independence, I wouldn't read it in Russian and complain that the translation is poor.
Here's an orthodox Jew saying he's an Israelite, its prepositioned, just click it:
You shouldn't read the captions. Listen to the Hebrew. He actually says "we don't have a connection to the state of Israel, we are the nation of Israel." If you insist on letting others translate for you, you let them control what you think you know. He is discussing the idea of a secular state vs. the biblical nation. Some Jews reject the idea of a secular, political entity and only want a fully theocratic (messianic era) one.
The term "Israelite" is understood to mean "child of Israel".
well, you understand it to mean that. Let's not confuse your notions with anything else or anyone else's.
The kingdom of Judah was what remained after ten tribes rebelled against the (then) king of Israel, it was comprised of the tribe Judah and later joined by Benjamin. The ten tribes became known as the Kingdom of Israel and the other two the Kingdom of Judah, those people were Jews.
Not really true. The northern kingdom which had members of 11 tribes was exiled, but people from all those tribes had moved to the southern kingdom (2 Chronicles 11: 3 and 15-16, 15:9. See also Ezra 8:35 and Nechemia 12:47.
The term Jew does not refer to any member of the original twelve tribes, I'm sure you know this but you seem to be protesting about this.
this is a tidbit you have invented. You aren't much on facts if you haven't made them up yourself, it seems.
Exactly. So "Jew" excludes the other tribes, it is a term that denotes a member of the tribes Judah and/or Benjamin, that's if we pay heed to the written history anyway.
Nope. Still wrong. You can keep saying it, but that doesn't make it so.
Can you provide a biblical basis for this claim?
already done.
I'm not speaking of "traditions" but of the recorded written historical record.
And I have provided biblical sources. Have you read them? What is your proof for anything? A poorly captioned video? A conflation of the biblical record with the modern Hebrew (you do realize that the languages aren't the same, right) in translation?
I leave it undefined for the simple reason I assumed you were familiar with the political meaning, but here if you want a definition here's
one.
you do realize that that wiki entry doesn't define the term either, right? Care to define it yourself?
That I don't speak about other instances of nationalism should not be taken to mean I am unconcerned about them.
since you are concerned about them, can you show me some posts you have made about them? Or do you only focus on Israel?
I am concerned about increasing nationalism in the United States for example.
what standard will you use to know when it becomes "extreme"? The phrase "My America, right or wrong" is from the 19th century. The 1970's era bumper sticker "America, Love it or Leave it" seems extreme to me. I guess you don't think so. I haven't seen either sentiment in Israel.
Your other remarks about not seeing things are illogical. Not seeing something cannot be taken to show that there are no instances of that thing, this is pretty basic logic so I don't know why you want to dwell on it.
And not seeing things can't be taken to show that they DO exist. You have yet to prove your assertions with anything. You simply claim, and in the face of experience, you say "so what." There are tall people who are short. I haven't seen them but that doesn't mean they don't exist. And just because a tall person says that it isn't true means nothing.
Well I'm happy to answer questions and provide supporting data if you want it. You said though that you are in Jerusalem and haven't seen examples of persecution of the orthodox community, you dismissed this, you did not ask for supporting material, it was a blanket rejection of the very idea that this goes on in Israel, denial.
What I did was undercut the authority of your statement which was made without proof. If you want to reassert the authority of your claim, you need to prove it. Otherwise, Hitchen's Razor applies.
So just watch the whole of that video I included above, there's the persecution that you've convinced yourself, doesn't take place in the wonderfully egalitarian state Israel.
You really don't understand either the video or your own claim. Remember, your claim was that the secular state "persecutes its religious orthodox community." Do you even know what "religious orthodox community" means? A video about a small faction which doesn't believe in the secular state isn't abut the persecution of the religious orthodox community. If you ever spent 5 minutes in Israel you would see this.
Do you have any other inventions to float?
