Israel's persecution of Christians

[The Irish Ram]

Answer the question Sherlock, who do you think the Jews are?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

A Jew is one who has a genealogical connection to Abraham, Issac, Joseph, Jacob...
God prophesied that He would gather the Jews back to their homeland. He did that. You will find His chosen in the land He deeded to Abraham.

Genesis 15: 18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates

Yes, I've heard of this distortion of scripture, like all misunderstandings of scripture it will and is leading to misery, Israel is a wolf in sheep's clothing, a fake state that was given the name "Israel".

The error here is to dwell on the physical, the worldly, and assume that "Jew" means physical descent. Here is the truth as revealed to us in Romans 2:28

For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. 29No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by the Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praised from God, not from people.

There it is, a converted Christian is a Jew, if the spirit dwells in a person that person is a Jew.

 

[The Irish Ram]

lol. A Christian does not need to convert to Judaism. We are grafted into the Jewish line by having faith in Christ. You don't kill the root of a tree you graft into. The Jews are the root. The Christians are the shoot.
A non believing Jew is still a Jew. When Christ returns to Jerusalem, He returns to non-believing Jews. And this time they will recognize Him as their Messiah, and Christ will never leave them. When Heaven itself descends to earth it will be in Israel. God keeps His promises to Abraham.

Paul did not say that a Jew's heart has to be in the right place in order to be a Jew. He said a true Jew is a Jew with His heart in the right place.
The exact same thing is true for Christians. You are not a true Christian if you don't have a heart for Christ.
A Jew that believes in Christ is still a Jew. He is referred to as a Messianic Jew. God is about to send 144,000 Jews whose hearts are in the right place to evangelize to the Jews whose hearts aren't there yet. The Bible makes a clear definition between Jew and Gentile.
And, you do not have to convert to Judaism if you receive the Holy Spirit. Your contention that we do is just nuts. We are not under the Law.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's well known that Arabs, Muslims have suffered under the Zionist yoke, there's quite a lot of historical information about this dating back to before the founding of the state in 1947.

What's less well known is the persecution of Christians, this is no doubt because there are fewer Christians than there are Muslims so crimes against them are fewer.

This comes as a shock to some, especially "evangelicals" who pretend to be Christians yet support the regime that oppresses Christians rather than supporting their fellow Christians, how they reconcile this I don't know, nor do I care.

Here's information about the destruction and ethnic cleansing of a small Christian village in 1948, named "Iqrit" also sometimes called "Acref".

It is an ancient village, has traces of Canaanite presence centuries before Christ.




Here's a segment taken from Wikipedia

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There are numerous similar stories too. The devoted defenders of Israeli brutality often go silent when this is presented to them, and no wonder. They can't invoke the canard "Muslims hate Jews" as a defense or justification.

Here's a photograph of some of the hapless Christians being evicted from their homes, a village in which perhaps some of oldest Christian families have lived since antiquity but live there no more because the village was destroyed.

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How many Christians has Israel pushed out?
How many Christians has the Arab world pushed out?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Forcibly evicting Christians from their homes, perhaps some of first Christian communities to develop and then destroying all the houses there isn't something most would describe as "tolerance".

Muslims did that all the time.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Jews feel that Christians are one step behind Muslims. They hate them both. Muslims hate Jews as much as the Jews hate them. Jews tolerate Christians because Christians hold to the belief that God blesses those who bless Israel, and curse those who do not. Regardless of the attitude of the Jews toward Christians, Christians aren't beholden to Jews, but to God and will continue to support God's chosen because of our loyalty to God.

You are very close to the truth, except for the fact that today's Jews are more closely related to the Khazars (Asiatic people) than they are to biblical Israel. The Khazars converted to Judaism, en masse, in the 7th & 8th Centuries, A.D. They are “Jews” by religion and by name, but not by blood (save the few incidents where they may have married peoples with Israelite blood).

Revelation 2:9, “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

Revelation 3:9, “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”

The Bible also reveals in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah that when the men and women of Judah (sometimes referred to as Jews) were permitted to return to Jerusalem to rebuild that city, that they returned as a “mixed multitude.” That is to say that they had married into the non-Israelite peoples of the region (Canaanites, Edomites, etc.). Ezra and Nehemiah were NOT happy, had many harsh things to say about it.

There is so, so, so much more to be said about the actual history of the 10 northern tribes of Israel (the “lost tribes of Israel”) and the 2 southern tribes of Israel (Judah & Benjamin). But if there's anything I've learned about discussion forums is that people believe what they believe and no amount of facts will change their beliefs, so I rarely waste my time and energy anymore.

Anyway, modern Israel isn't found in the Middle East.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

How many Christians has Israel pushed out?
How many Christians has the Arab world pushed out?

Why are you asking me that question? are you incapable of researching it and reporting your findings?

If you are capable of making an argument based on numbers then do so, I'll be happy to evaluate it.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Muslims did that all the time.

Jews aligned with Romans, persecuted Christians centuries before Islam existed. In 500 AD (before Islam) 20,000 Christians were executed by the Jewish king Yousef Asa'ar because they refused to renounce Christ and refused to convert to Judaism.

The United States settlers ethnically cleansed natives, massacred and committed genocide against them where almost five million died, not far off what Hitler did to Jews. With a background like that its no wonder you serve as a loyal apologist for Israeli crimes.

The "logic" you use here is that it doesn't matter what the Israelis do if we can find an example of something elsewhere in history that has greater numbers and if you can't then just make one up and move on.

In that case it doesn't matter how many people Hamas killed, there's no reason to "denounce Hamas" because the Israelis killed more at some point in the past (which they did).

You cannot take a moral stand against Hamas or Muslims while at the same time excusing Israeli crimes, well you can but that's called being a hypocrite.

Morality isn't selective, one cannot claim to be a moral human being, a Christian yet have different moral standards for different groups, that's racism, that's a perversion of the New Testament which is nothing new in the United States where Christianity has become unrecognizable, just a front for racism and nationalism.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

get off Israel

Nope.

Leave Israel alone. That is God's territory, God's people, etc...

The state of Israel is a fake, just a land grab that was (incorrectly) named "Israel" and that's fooled all of the poorly educated "Christians" in the United States.

It should at least have been called "Judah" at least they could have got that right, but no, dummies, deranged racist dummies.

They are very loving people.

So were the Nazis.

 

[rosends]

I love when people decide that they know how to define me and my identity better than I do. I especially love it when they use a text that has no authority to support their contentions. If I quoted the Koran to explain why Christians aren't who the modern day Christians claim to be, would any Christian take me seriously? I hope not.

Anyway, carry on with the silliness.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Entitled Zionist brat

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why are you asking me that question? are you incapable of researching it and reporting your findings?

If you are capable of making an argument based on numbers then do so, I'll be happy to evaluate it.

Why are you asking me that question?

You seem very concerned about the treatment of Christians in the Middle East.
So, you don't know?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Jews aligned with Romans, persecuted Christians centuries before Islam existed. In 500 AD (before Islam) 20,000 Christians were executed by the Jewish king Yousef Asa'ar because they refused to renounce Christ and refused to convert to Judaism.

The United States settlers ethnically cleansed natives, massacred and committed genocide against them where almost five million died, not far off what Hitler did to Jews. With a background like that its no wonder you serve as a loyal apologist for Israeli crimes.

The "logic" you use here is that it doesn't matter what the Israelis do if we can find an example of something elsewhere in history that has greater numbers and if you can't then just make one up and move on.

In that case it doesn't matter how many people Hamas killed, there's no reason to "denounce Hamas" because the Israelis killed more at some point in the past (which they did).

You cannot take a moral stand against Hamas or Muslims while at the same time excusing Israeli crimes, well you can but that's called being a hypocrite.

Morality isn't selective, one cannot claim to be a moral human being, a Christian yet have different moral standards for different groups, that's racism, that's a perversion of the New Testament which is nothing new in the United States where Christianity has become unrecognizable, just a front for racism and nationalism.

The United States settlers ethnically cleansed natives, massacred and committed genocide against them where almost five million died,

Over what time frame?

not far off what Hitler did to Jews.

Over what time frame?

With a background like that its no wonder you serve as a loyal apologist for Israeli crimes.

What's your background?

Morality isn't selective, one cannot claim to be a moral human being, a Christian yet have different moral standards for different groups, that's racism,

Muslim is a race? When did that happen?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Why are you asking me that question?

You seem very concerned about the treatment of Christians in the Middle East.
So, you don't know?

I do not know the numbers, I do not know the statistics for rape, child abuse, armed robbery either but that doesn't mean I cannot disapprove of those crimes.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The United States settlers ethnically cleansed natives, massacred and committed genocide against them where almost five million died,

Over what time frame?

I don't know.

not far off what Hitler did to Jews.

Over what time frame?

I don't know.

With a background like that its no wonder you serve as a loyal apologist for Israeli crimes.

What's your background?

None of your business.

Morality isn't selective, one cannot claim to be a moral human being, a Christian yet have different moral standards for different groups, that's racism,

Muslim is a race? When did that happen?

Very well lets use "xenophobia", here ya go:

Morality isn't selective, one cannot claim to be a moral human being, a Christian yet have different moral standards for different groups, that's xenophobia,

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't know.

I don't know.

None of your business.

Very well lets use "xenophobia", here ya go:

If xenophobia means I don't like Muslims and their barbaric religion.....sign me up!!!

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

If xenophobia means I don't like Muslims and their barbaric religion.....sign me up!!!

You wouldn't recognize barbaric if it bit you on the ass.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You wouldn't recognize barbaric if it bit you on the ass.

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Or sawed my infidel head off, eh?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Or sawed my infidel head off, eh?

My remark stems from my observation that you are very selective in what constitutes "barbarism". Try this for laughs, give me a dictionary or encyclopedia definition of barbarism (by which I mean you're not allowed to make one up!) and I'll give you examples of US barbarism, wanna play?