Israel's persecution of Christians

[Toddsterpatriot]

My remark stems from my observation that you are very selective in what constitutes "barbarism". Try this for laughs, give me a dictionary or encyclopedia definition of barbarism (by which I mean you're not allowed to make one up!) and I'll give you examples of US barbarism, wanna play?

https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/19/africa/libya-isis-executions-ethiopian-christians/index.html

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/19/africa/libya-isis-executions-ethiopian-christians/index.html

Yes, its horrifying isn't it. Radical Islam though is the creation of the United States, you might find that unpalatable but I don't care. The US backs one of the most fundamentalist Islamic regimes in the world - Saudi Arabia, their friendship goes back many years.

Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman has for the first time openly said what has been the West's worst kept secret. According to him, the Saudi-funded spread of Wahhabism - the main source of the fundamentalist ideology of terrorist groups like ISIS began as a result of Western countries asking Riyadh to help counter Russia during the Cold War. Speaking to the US media, bin Salman said his Western allies prodded Saudi Arabia to invest in mosques and madrassas overseas, in an effort to prevent Moscow from making inroads into Muslim countries.

When the history of terrorism is written, Ronald Reagan's name will stand out. In 1985 the US President received an Afghan mujahidin delegation at the White House with the words: "These gentlemen are the moral equivalent of America's Founding Fathers."

As if arming the Mujahidin wasn't enough, the US went on to establish the conditions for the rise of another more dangerous scourge, the Islamic State. The illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 not only removed President Saddam Hussein from power, it also destroyed the remnant of a proud civilization. The US then disbanded the entire Iraqi Army and air force, sending highly trained and battle hardened soldiers into the unemployment heap.

According to Kofi Annan, the former UN secretary general, the US-led invasion of Iraq was a mistake and helped to create the Islamist State militant group. "I was against this invasion and my fears have been founded," he says. "The break-up of the Iraqi forces poured hundreds if not thousands of disgruntled soldiers and police officers onto the streets." These men later formed the core of al-Qaeda and later the Islamic State.

Source: How the West backed radical Islam and unleashed global terror

Why is it that you seem unaware of all this? its all thanks to the US that ISIS are executing Christians, who'd a thought!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, its horrifying isn't it. Radical Islam though is the creation of the United States, you might find that unpalatable but I don't care. The US backs one of the most fundamentalist Islamic regimes in the world - Saudi Arabia, their friendship goes back many years.






Source: How the West backed radical Islam and unleashed global terror

Why is it that you seem unaware of all this? its all thanks to the US that ISIS are executing Christians, who'd a thought!

Yes, its horrifying isn't it. Radical Islam though is the creation of the United States

Exactly!
When Mohammed was raping and killing his way across the Middle East,
it was the fault of the United States.

Why is it that you seem unaware of all this?

Right, Muslims were so peaceful before 1985. DURR

 

[The Irish Ram]

You are very close to the truth, except for the fact that today's Jews are more closely related to the Khazars (Asiatic people) than they are to biblical Israel. The Khazars converted to Judaism, en masse, in the 7th & 8th Centuries, A.D. They are “Jews” by religion and by name, but not by blood (save the few incidents where they may have married peoples with Israelite blood).

Revelation 2:9, “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

Revelation 3:9, “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”

The Bible also reveals in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah that when the men and women of Judah (sometimes referred to as Jews) were permitted to return to Jerusalem to rebuild that city, that they returned as a “mixed multitude.” That is to say that they had married into the non-Israelite peoples of the region (Canaanites, Edomites, etc.). Ezra and Nehemiah were NOT happy, had many harsh things to say about it.

There is so, so, so much more to be said about the actual history of the 10 northern tribes of Israel (the “lost tribes of Israel”) and the 2 southern tribes of Israel (Judah & Benjamin). But if there's anything I've learned about discussion forums is that people believe what they believe and no amount of facts will change their beliefs, so I rarely waste my time and energy anymore.

Anyway, modern Israel isn't found in the Middle East.

Yeah, we could argue some facts but thing is, God prophesied He'd bring them back to their homeland. And He was specific. This time, after 2,000 years of being dispersed, He has called them home again. He said this time they would be coming from all over the world. Not like slaves returning from Egypt. No other nation of people returned to their homeland even twice, except the Jews. None other has returned to their ancient language, except the Jews. No homeland was created in a day except theirs. <All of it prophesied.

Joshua 1:4. The Promised Land​

Biblical Israel is generally thought of as that region south and southwest of the Lebanon mountains, north and east of Egypt, east of the Mediterranean coastal plain, and west of the Arabian desert. In dimension, Israel was roughly 150 miles from Dan to Beersheba, and at its greatest width it was about 75 miles across. The Lord promised Joshua that the original extent of the land promised to Abraham was to be given to Israel.

God knows who His chosen are. He can even tell you the amount of hairs on their heads. And, He created DNA so he'll probably be able to figure out who is and who isn't.

 

[buttercup]

Yes, its horrifying isn't it. Radical Islam though is the creation of the United States

Exactly!
When Mohammed was raping and killing his way across the Middle East,
it was the fault of the United States.

Not the United States, but corrupt elements of the US govt, like the CIA, not to mention other alphabet agencies from other countries.

But you seem to be the type who thinks the US government would NEVER do anything bad or strategic, and the mainstream news always tells the truth.

Here's something for you, from an actual journalist who actually cares about truth:

Why is it that you seem unaware of all this?

Right, Muslims were so peaceful before 1985. DURR

It was definitely better before the globalists started using "the war on terror" as a pretext for their own agendas, including perpetual war, power grabs, etc.

I lived in a Muslim country many years ago (because of my Dad's job) before all this current crap, and although this is just anecdotal, I never had a problem with any Muslims, and our experience living overseas was very good. So yes, there is definitely truth to what Sherlock Holmes was saying.

Again, time to turn off the idiot box and the controlled MSM, who just so happen to be mouthpieces for the same crowd behind all these wars based on lies.

 

[buttercup]

Yeah, we could argue some facts but thing is, God prophesied He'd bring them back to their homeland. And He was specific. This time, after 2,000 years of being dispersed, He has called them home again. He said this time they would be coming from all over the world. Not like slaves returning from Egypt. No other nation of people returned to their homeland even twice, except the Jews. None other has returned to their ancient language, except the Jews. No homeland was created in a day except theirs. <All of it prophesied.

Joshua 1:4. The Promised Land​

Biblical Israel is generally thought of as that region south and southwest of the Lebanon mountains, north and east of Egypt, east of the Mediterranean coastal plain, and west of the Arabian desert. In dimension, Israel was roughly 150 miles from Dan to Beersheba, and at its greatest width it was about 75 miles across. The Lord promised Joshua that the original extent of the land promised to Abraham was to be given to Israel.

God knows who His chosen are. He can even tell you the amount of hairs on their heads. And, He created DNA so he'll probably be able to figure out who is and who isn't.

I used to believe that. The more I study it, however, and the closer I look into it, it's becoming more and more clear that the Rothschild-created modern state of Israel is counterfeit, not the Israel prophesied in the bible.

I don't say that lightly. There are many valid and compelling reasons for that. I am not going to get into it all right now, because there's so much to it, it would be like a bible study in and of itself. I still want to study it more, before getting into all the reasons why I'm moving toward that view.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Yeah, we could argue some facts but thing is, God prophesied He'd bring them back to their homeland. And He was specific. This time, after 2,000 years of being dispersed, He has called them home again. He said this time they would be coming from all over the world. Not like slaves returning from Egypt. No other nation of people returned to their homeland even twice, except the Jews. None other has returned to their ancient language, except the Jews. No homeland was created in a day except theirs. <All of it prophesied.

Joshua 1:4. The Promised Land​

Biblical Israel is generally thought of as that region south and southwest of the Lebanon mountains, north and east of Egypt, east of the Mediterranean coastal plain, and west of the Arabian desert. In dimension, Israel was roughly 150 miles from Dan to Beersheba, and at its greatest width it was about 75 miles across. The Lord promised Joshua that the original extent of the land promised to Abraham was to be given to Israel.

God knows who His chosen are. He can even tell you the amount of hairs on their heads. And, He created DNA so he'll probably be able to figure out who is and who isn't.

God will bring the Israelites back to their homeland which is and will be the Kingdom of God. This is still a future event. Upon Christ's return will be the re-establishment of the true Jerusalem. Not the current, corrupted version:

Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

The current situation in the Mideast doesn't compare to the pure and righteous Kingdom to come. Bloodthirsty, anti-Christ religionists who follow the cult of Judaism are NOT God's “chosen” as Christ, Himself, reveals in the following passage:

John 3:16-18, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

Christ was speaking to an audience of folks from that region. We could call them Jews, or we could call them Israelites, but in any case, they who reject Christ are condemned. Do we blindly support a condemned group of anti-Christ warmongers based on their DNA? God's chosen are they who believe in Him through faith.

But I totally agree that God knows exactly who His chosen are. On the other hand, He also warns us that we should judge others based on their fruits. The Khazars have shown us their true colors time and again throughout the centuries, and their fruits are bitter.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The first verse you quoted happens after the millennial reign of Christ. Christ will have been in Jerusalem for 1,000 years before that event described in Rev. takes place. In Jerusalem.

The current situation in the Middle East is going to escalate and only a remnant of Jews will survive. Christ returns to prevent the situation from destroying all life on earth. The location of His return is the Mt. of Olives. His kingdom is set up in King David's city, Jerusalem. He didn't condemn the Jews, He forgave the Jews.

God's chosen are the Jews. He calls them, "My people"

The days are coming,' declares the LORD, when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their forefathers to possess,' says the LORD
They were His people then, they are His people now, and they will be His people in the future.
And,
Our Savior is still a Jewish Rabbi.

No where in the Bible does it tell us to judge others based on their fruit. That is a dangerous and false viewpoint.

Matthew 7: 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I used to believe that. The more I study it, however, and the closer I look into it, it's becoming more and more clear that the Rothschild-created modern state of Israel is counterfeit, not the Israel prophesied in the bible.

I don't say that lightly. There are many valid and compelling reasons for that. I am not going to get into it all right now, because there's so much to it, it would be like a bible study in and of itself. I still want to study it more, before getting into all the reasons why I'm moving toward that view.

If not Israel, then where is Christ going to return to? Where is the real City of David if not Jerusalem?

 

[SaxonJackson]

The first verse you quoted happens after the millennial reign of Christ. Christ will have been in Jerusalem for 1,000 years before that event described in Rev. takes place. In Jerusalem.

The current situation in the Middle East is going to escalate and only a remnant of Jews will survive. Christ returns to prevent the situation from destroying all life on earth. The location of His return is the Mt. of Olives. His kingdom is set up in King David's city, Jerusalem. He didn't condemn the Jews, He forgave the Jews.

God's chosen are the Jews. He calls them, "My people"

The days are coming,' declares the LORD, when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their forefathers to possess,' says the LORD
They were His people then, they are His people now, and they will be His people in the future.
And,
Our Savior is still a Jewish Rabbi.

No where in the Bible does it tell us to judge others based on their fruit. That is a dangerous and false viewpoint.

Matthew 7: 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Your passage (from Jeremiah and again in Hebrews) reveals that there are TWO groups of people mentioned above: Israel AND Judah. That would be the 10 northern tribes of Israel and the 2 southern tribes of Judah (Judah & Benjamin). The 10 northern tribes were completely taken into Assyrian captivity and moved to the areas known today as Iraq and Iran. They later migrated over the Caucasus Mountains and into Europe. Note that Christ and the Apostles visited Europe in search of the “Lost Tribes of the House of Israel" (Matthew 10:6 and Matthew 15:24). Also note that Christ made no mention of the lost sheep of the House of Judah. Two different, albeit related, peoples. Israel and Judah.

What many in Christendom forget is there are still 12 tribes of Israel that exist in the world today. James 1:1, "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting." Revelation chapter 7 also names all the 12 tribes (not just Judah/Jews).

Also important to note is that the Assyrians took a good portion of the two southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin as well . Only three of the fenced cities belonging to Judah (shortened to the name “Jew”) were able to fend off the Assyrians. However, they were later taken into captivity by the Babylonians.

Christ condemns anyone and everyone who rejects Him. There is only one door that leads to God's Kingdom, and that's Jesus Christ. DNA does not provide a back door to God's Kingdom. If the Khazarian Jews (or anyone else for that matter) rejects Jesus Christ, then they will spend eternity in hell. Christ condemned (John 3:18) anyone who rejects Him.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

If not Israel, then where is Christ going to return to? Where is the real City of David if not Jerusalem?

This is FACT. I agree with her on many things, but her love for conspiracies is sad to watch. It is leading her from Christ and His promise. I don't say that lightly.

Christ WILL land on the Mt of Olives WITH HIS RESURRECTED SAINTS and March through the Golden Gate.

The nation of Israel was promised to b there at His Return. It doesn't matter if she approves how it was created or not. Prophecy marches on. We are on the verge of the Time of JACOB'S Trouble -- the Great Tribulation. The World won't see it coming, and sadly, neither will many professing Christians

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I lived in a Muslim country many years ago (because of my Dad's job) before all this current crap, and although this is just anecdotal, I never had a problem with any Muslims, and our experience living overseas was very good

If you were a serious Christian back then, you would have. If you were a JEWISH American, you would have

 

[buttercup]

If you were a serious Christian back then, you would have. If you were a JEWISH American, you would have

I was just sharing my personal experience. I wasn't making a statement about their laws or the government's official stance against other religions...(which of course I don't agree with) I was just saying that the Muslims I encountered in my 2 years living there were always kind and hospitable. Bottom line is I simply disagree with your (and many other folks here) view that all Muslims are horrible evil monsters. Again, this was many years ago BEFORE our foreign policy changed and before the whole "war on terror" thing.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Your passage (from Jeremiah and again in Hebrews) reveals that there are TWO groups of people mentioned above: Israel AND Judah. That would be the 10 northern tribes of Israel and the 2 southern tribes of Judah (Judah & Benjamin). The 10 northern tribes were completely taken into Assyrian captivity and moved to the areas known today as Iraq and Iran. They later migrated over the Caucasus Mountains and into Europe. Note that Christ and the Apostles visited Europe in search of the “Lost Tribes of the House of Israel" (Matthew 10:6 and Matthew 15:24). Also note that Christ made no mention of the lost sheep of the House of Judah. Two different, albeit related, peoples. Israel and Judah.

What many in Christendom forget is there are still 12 tribes of Israel that exist in the world today. James 1:1, "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting." Revelation chapter 7 also names all the 12 tribes (not just Judah/Jews).

Also important to note is that the Assyrians took a good portion of the two southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin as well . Only three of the fenced cities belonging to Judah (shortened to the name “Jew”) were able to fend off the Assyrians. However, they were later taken into captivity by the Babylonians.

Christ condemns anyone and everyone who rejects Him. There is only one door that leads to God's Kingdom, and that's Jesus Christ. DNA does not provide a back door to God's Kingdom. If the Khazarian Jews (or anyone else for that matter) rejects Jesus Christ, then they will spend eternity in hell. Christ condemned (John 3:18) anyone who rejects Him.

Israel and Judah. Referred to By God as "My people". That was my point.

As for the tribes, God knows who they are and where they are, and is planning to seal 144,000 of them prior to Christ's arrival, to evangelize, in Israel.

Not only does Christ not condemn, He died to save the lost.
We choose to follow our Father, God, or make Satan our father. We decide our eternal future. Christ is the one that gave us His sin free record to enter Heaven with. It cost him his life. Christ doesn't condemn the very person He died for. He wants us all to choose Him and eternal life with Him.
A good shepherd doesn't condemn a lost sheep. He finds him and carries him back to the fold.

 

[rylah]

The only country in the region where the Christian community actually grows, is Israel.
Not to mention economic prosperity and education achievements.

Is it coincidence Hamas shills "shed tears" for Christians
and open such threads just when there're news
from Europe about another church burning?

​

 

[The Irish Ram]

I was just sharing my personal experience. I wasn't making a statement about their laws or the government's official stance against other religions...(which of course I don't agree with) I was just saying that the Muslims I encountered in my 2 years living there were always kind and hospitable. Bottom line is I simply disagree with your (and many other folks here) view that all Muslims are horrible evil monsters. Again, this was many years ago BEFORE our foreign policy changed and before the whole "war on terror" thing.

They are a group of people who have their hand against all, even their brothers. And their hand is brutal. While there are some peaceful Muslims, for the most part they have earned their reputation. And the Bible makes it clear who is going to decimate God's land and people. And we are bankrolling the very Muslims who are rushing to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth.

And yet, we go back to the promises between God and Abraham. Abraham had 2 children. God said Abraham's descendants would be numerous. And they are.
Jesus is going to heal that wound between brothers to the approval of both.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Israel and Judah. Referred to By God as "My people". That was my point.

As for the tribes, God knows who they are and where they are, and is planning to seal 144,000 of them prior to Christ's arrival, to evangelize, in Israel.

Not only does Christ not condemn, He died to save the lost.
We choose to follow our Father, God, or make Satan our father. We decide our eternal future. Christ is the one that gave us His sin free record to enter Heaven with. It cost him his life. Christ doesn't condemn the very person He died for. He wants us all to choose Him and eternal life with Him.
A good shepherd doesn't condemn a lost sheep. He finds him and carries him back to the fold.

Christ certainly died to save lost souls, but the Bible is clear that we're only saved by faith. We're not saved by works. We're not saved by wishful thinking. And we're not saved by DNA. The parable of the wheat and the tares makes this point very clear.

True that some religions teach that ultimately all people will be saved, but that doctrine is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Bible.

Following are the literal words of Jesus Christ as He spoke to the prominent Jews of His time:

Matthew 3:7, “But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?”

John 8:44, “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (Best to read the entire chapter.)

Hell is a real place, and broad is the path that leads to it. Narrow is the way that leads to salvation, and few there be who finds it. We're saved by faith and belief in Jesus Christ ... not by rejecting Him.

Matthew 7:13-14, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”

 

[SaxonJackson]

If not Israel, then where is Christ going to return to? Where is the real City of David if not Jerusalem?

Christ returns to restore the entire earth. He doesn't necessarily need a particular landing pad. There will be a “new heaven and a new earth.” He also brings with Him a “New Jerusalem.” The current Jerusalem is a vile place run by Christ-hating Pharisees and Sadducees, religionists, atheists, and imposters.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18, “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”

There is no such thing as “Judeo-Christianity.” Christianity is not hyphenated. It's either “Christianity” or it's nothing.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes, its horrifying isn't it. Radical Islam though is the creation of the United States

Exactly!
When Mohammed was raping and killing his way across the Middle East,
it was the fault of the United States.

Why is it that you seem unaware of all this?

Right, Muslims were so peaceful before 1985. DURR

The creation of violence is not restricted to Muslims. It's also true that Islamist terrorism more or less began in 1979 and can be traced to outside governments interfering with the political landscape where Islam is dominant.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Christ certainly died to save lost souls, but the Bible is clear that we're only saved by faith. We're not saved by works. We're not saved by wishful thinking. And we're not saved by DNA. The parable of the wheat and the tares makes this point very clear.

True that some religions teach that ultimately all people will be saved, but that doctrine is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Bible.

Following are the literal words of Jesus Christ as He spoke to the prominent Jews of His time:

Matthew 3:7, “But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?”

John 8:44, “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (Best to read the entire chapter.)

Hell is a real place, and broad is the path that leads to it. Narrow is the way that leads to salvation, and few there be who finds it. We're saved by faith and belief in Jesus Christ ... not by rejecting Him.

Matthew 7:13-14, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”

You are all over the place. This started questioning who God's chosen are. They are the ones God called, "my people.". You don't seem to care for the examples of exactly who the Bible says are God's people. They are the Jews.

Christ excoriated the Temple priests, not the Jewish people. The Jewish people are the ones that Christ wanted to take under His wing. He referred to the Gentiles as dogs. One Gentile woman's faith changed that and Gentiles were grafted into the Jewish line and the promises God to Abraham.

I have often used John 8:44 to show that we are not all God's children.

Hell IS a real place, though not for eternity. It is temporary. At the end of Christ's millennial reign, He calls up the nonbelivers in Hell to be judged at the White Throne Judgment. This is the result:

Rev. 20: 13-14 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they < those who refused His gift of propitiation were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. < final destination.

No one goes to the Father except through Christ. When Christ returns to the Jews they will realize who He is and accept Him as their Messiah. And He and His bride will then take up residence in the land God gave the Jews forever. In Jerusalem.