Israelis Now Bombing Rafah Designated "Safe Zone" Where Civilians Have Been Pushed

[ShahdagMountains]

Again, why do you support Genocide Joe?

THINK!

You’re just here to talk nonsense and pick fights.

 

[gipper]

You’re just here to talk nonsense and pick fights.

Yeah peace is nonsense, but only to a fool.

Why do you support Genocide Joe?

 

[Rigby5]

Reports from Hamas Journalists.

Cannot find anything of the kind by real non Hamas Press.

Wonder why.

Hamas is tiny so cannot have any control over any media.
But all of the real-world media is sympathetic to Palestine because they obviously are the victim of a well designed plot going back to 1890, to commit genocide in Palestine.

All anyone has to ask is why the census data says that Palestine was only 5% Jewish in 1920, why there are only 7 million Jews in Isael now, why there are 13 million Moslem Palestinians, and yet Israelis occupy 85% of Palestine, while completely blockading and controlling 100% of it, totally in violation of all international laws on war crimes.

 

[Rigby5]

It is mind boggling how the left accuse Jews of genocide. Of any group that has ever lived on the planet, Jews have have the most experience of genocide against THEM.

Wrong.
Jews have the longest history of committing genocide, like when Joshua captured Jericho and massacred all the Canaanites there, including women and children.
There are dozens of Jewish acts of genocide in the Old Testament.

The Holocaust killed more Gypsies and Russians than it did Jews.
The 40 million dead Gypsies and Russians is far greater than the 6 million dead Jews.
After WWII, there were 9 million Jews remaining in Europe alone.
So it was not really what one would call genocide.

 

[Rigby5]

You are a nut case.

The history is clear, that Israel stole 85% of Palestine, preventing them from being able to survive.
That obviously is attempted genocide.

Go back to the beginning in 1946?
Who murdered the British peace-keepers by blowing up the King David Hotel?
It was Menachim Begin, the terrorist who later was rewarded as Prime Minister.

 

[gipper]

Hamas is tiny so cannot have any control over any media.
But all of the real-world media is sympathetic to Palestine because they obviously are the victim of a well designed plot going back to 1890, to commit genocide in Palestine.

All anyone has to ask is why the census data says that Palestine was only 5% Jewish in 1920, why there are only 7 million Jews in Isael now, why there are 13 million Moslem Palestinians, and yet Israelis occupy 85% of Palestine, while completely blockading and controlling 100% of it, totally in violation of all international laws on war crimes.

I caught the morning TV news this morning (I generally never watch any TV News because it’s so heavily state controlled) and to my surprise, they reported the numbers murdered and maimed by Israel and the horrendous conditions the Palestinians are experiencing. The turn is coming and these kooky Americans who supported this genocide, will soon deny they did.

 

[Rigby5]

You’re just here to talk nonsense and pick fights.

It is the truth.
Biden backed the Ukraine and Israel with hundreds of billions of our tax money.
They are both guilty of attempted genocide.
The original natives of the Ukraine are ethnic Russians, and the original natives of Palestine are Arabs like Canaanites, Chaldeans, Nabateans, Phoenicians, etc.

The ethnic Polish in the Ukraine, like Zelensky, are descendants of failed Polish invaders.
The ethnic Jews in the Land of Canaan, like Israelis, are the descendants of failed Hebrew invaders.

We are backing those who are on the side of genocide.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hamas kills a few hundred and your beloved Zionists murder 30k half of whom are kids,

Exactly!
Israel needs to stop responding to Hamas war crimes, eh Achmed?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestinian-Jews and Palestinian-Arabs lived in relative peace with each other until the Zionists showed up. Zionists imported all the hate and racism into the area.

If the Palestinians wanted to live in peace with the Jews, they could have
had a state decades ago. But they fucked up. Over and over.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's the best rebuttal you can produce to a Jewish condemnation of blatant Zionist genocide?


"A Textbook Case of Genocide"

A Textbook Case of Genocide

Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?

jewishcurrents.org

"Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?"

How else should I respond to such stupidity?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You’re a MAGA right? Why do you support genocide Joe?

Joe is senile. Can't wait for him to be gone.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hamas is tiny so cannot have any control over any media.
But all of the real-world media is sympathetic to Palestine because they obviously are the victim of a well designed plot going back to 1890, to commit genocide in Palestine.

All anyone has to ask is why the census data says that Palestine was only 5% Jewish in 1920, why there are only 7 million Jews in Isael now, why there are 13 million Moslem Palestinians, and yet Israelis occupy 85% of Palestine, while completely blockading and controlling 100% of it, totally in violation of all international laws on war crimes.

Israelis occupy 85% of Palestine,

Isn't Jordan 77% of Palestine?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Yeah peace is nonsense, but only to a fool.

Why do you support Genocide Joe?

Who?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

It is the truth.
Biden backed the Ukraine and Israel with hundreds of billions of our tax money.
They are both guilty of attempted genocide.
The original natives of the Ukraine are ethnic Russians, and the original natives of Palestine are Arabs like Canaanites, Chaldeans, Nabateans, Phoenicians, etc.

The ethnic Polish in the Ukraine, like Zelensky, are descendants of failed Polish invaders.
The ethnic Jews in the Land of Canaan, like Israelis, are the descendants of failed Hebrew invaders.

We are backing those who are on the side of genocide.

What strange obsessions some of you Americans have.

Must be your splendid isolation.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What strange obsessions some of you Americans have.

Must be your splendid isolation.

It's mental illness. He has it bad.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israelis Now Bombing Rafah Designated "Safe Zone" Where Civilians Have Been Pushed
SUBTOPIC: Tactics and Objectives
※→ gipper, Grau, Billo_Really, Shusha, et al...

All blockades will have an affect on the general population. Does that mean that all blockades are illegal? Or just this one?

(COMMENT)

Part IV is entitled " Methods and Means of Warfare at Sea " and contains rules on the use of certain weapons (missiles and other projectiles, torpedoes and mines), the rules applicable to blockades and a section on deception, ruses of war and perfidy.
ANSWER: Blockades are not illegal, but there are rules. Closed Borders are not illegal (there border controls are a domestic issue.)

The very idea behind any armed conflict (international or noninternational) is a paradox between what is humane and what is required. IF "A" (Hostile Palestinians) attacks "B" (Israelis) • and • "B" beats "A" into submission but "A" is allowed to survive and "A" does not accept the peace - recognizing the cessation that interrups hostilities → the interruption allowing "A" reconstitute its war fighting capacity and the ability to reengage "B" THEN the threat to peace and the continuation of "A" has not been effectively secured. The cycle contintues establishing a history of successive hostile behavior. The paradox is a question of how many times must "B" suffer attacks from "A" before the response from "B," which has become ever increasingly harsh on "A" to the point that "B" is no longer a threat?

◈ War is an expression of common human emotions and interactions.​

​

◈ War is an aspect of humanity that defines a thing (as to what it is) and is essential to the development of humanity.​

​

◈ War is a normal part of human existence.​

_____________________________
• Miguel A. Centeno Musgrave Professor of Sociology Professor of Sociology and International Affairs in the Princeton School of Public and International Affairs, Source concept.
• The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (SEP) copyright © 2024 by The Metaphysics Research Lab, Department of Philosophy, Stanford University
•. Rocco R Rosano, Ph.D. (Metaphysics), Institute of Metaphysical Humanistics Science, Retired

Again, an occupying force cannot claim self defense. And judging from your citations, you agree Israel is an "occupying power".

Now, your comment about Israel not targeting protected persons, is bullshit. If Israel was not targeting protected persons, there would not be 30,000 dead in Gaza. Israeli policy is to kill everyone in Gaza. Including Israeli hostages.

(COMMENT)

There is no citation in law (presented) that supports the position that: "occupying force cannot claim self defense." In fact, the exact opposite has been presented. It is Illegal for the Hostile Arab Palestine to commit any act which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power.
Repeating the unspported claim (a claim debunked) does not make it accurate. In point of fact, the number of times the false claim is made is prima facie evidence that the claim is deliberately deceptive and falls in the category of Disinformation.
______________________________
American Heritage® Dictionary, 5th Edition, copyright ©2022 by HarperCollins Publishers.

Now I get it. You support Genocide Joe because you’re demented like him.

(COMMENT)

Contrary to popular belief, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) did not rule that the conflict was an evidence of "Genocide." It ordered Israel to insure that their actions do not rise to the level of genocide. SOURCE
(The ICJ did NOT order a cease-fire. It is unclear as to whether or not the ICJ can enforce and part of the order.)

◈ take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, ​

◈ take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip;​

​

There is the question as to the intent of the court. The order could be construed (being unclear) as to be providing legal support (aiding and abetting) a subset set of designated terrorists in relation to Palestinians in Gaza [Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) (all four of which are designated terrorist organizations)] as established by the European Union COUNCIL DECISION (CFSP) 2022/152 of 3 February 2022 (Official Journal of the European Union). One-third of the Designated Terrorist List are Arab Palestinian entities.
There are two broad definitions of "state-sponsored terrorism."

◈ One refers to governments that support or conduct terrorism against other governments. ​

◈ The other refers to governments that conduct terrorist acts against their own citizens.​

_______________________________________

https://www.pbs.org › newshour › world › what-is-hamas-what-to-know-about-its-origins-leaders-and-funding​

What is Hamas? What to know about its origins, leaders and funding - PBS​

It governs more than two million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, but the group is best known for its armed resistance to Israel. In Oct. 2023, Hamas launched a massive surprise attack on southern...​

https://www.npr.org › 2023 › 10 › 10 › 1204826544 › hamas-israel-war-gaza-palestinian

What is Hamas? Here's what to know : NPR​

Oct 10, 2023World European leaders pledge support for Israel, condemn Hamas and halt Palestinian aid Hamas won 2006 parliamentary elections elections and in 2007 violently seized control of the Gaza Strip...​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

What part of the following declaration is unclear to you?


“Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”(1)

That was October 9 in the midst of rescuing survivors, searching for the missing, intense fighting, and an unknown threat. Of course, there is going to be a complete siege (not to mention a highly emotional reaction in the midst of trauma).

You cannot hold Israel to a statement made during the atrocities, and then just ignore all of Israel's ACTIONS since. Israel allows aid to enter Gaza.

 

[Shusha]

I could remind you that it was Zionists who started the Hebron riots by claiming the Wailing Wall was there's! I could also remind you that over 400 Jewish lives were saved by their Arab neighbor's. But you don't want to hear anything about that.

Are you denying the Jewish people access and claim to an historical monument from their history?

 

[Billo_Really]

RE: Israelis Now Bombing Rafah Designated "Safe Zone" Where Civilians Have Been Pushed
SUBTOPIC: Tactics and Objectives
※→ gipper, Grau, Billo_Really, Shusha, et al...



(COMMENT)

Part IV is entitled " Methods and Means of Warfare at Sea " and contains rules on the use of certain weapons (missiles and other projectiles, torpedoes and mines), the rules applicable to blockades and a section on deception, ruses of war and perfidy.
ANSWER: Blockades are not illegal, but there are rules. Closed Borders are not illegal (there border controls are a domestic issue.)

The very idea behind any armed conflict (international or noninternational) is a paradox between what is humane and what is required. IF "A" (Hostile Palestinians) attacks "B" (Israelis) • and • "B" beats "A" into submission but "A" is allowed to survive and "A" does not accept the peace - recognizing the cessation that interrups hostilities → the interruption allowing "A" reconstitute its war fighting capacity and the ability to reengage "B" THEN the threat to peace and the continuation of "A" has not been effectively secured. The cycle contintues establishing a history of successive hostile behavior. The paradox is a question of how many times must "B" suffer attacks from "A" before the response from "B," which has become ever increasingly harsh on "A" to the point that "B" is no longer a threat?

◈ War is an expression of common human emotions and interactions.​

​

◈ War is an aspect of humanity that defines a thing (as to what it is) and is essential to the development of humanity.​

​

◈ War is a normal part of human existence.​

_____________________________
• Miguel A. Centeno Musgrave Professor of Sociology Professor of Sociology and International Affairs in the Princeton School of Public and International Affairs, Source concept.
• The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (SEP) copyright © 2024 by The Metaphysics Research Lab, Department of Philosophy, Stanford University
•. Rocco R Rosano, Ph.D. (Metaphysics), Institute of Metaphysical Humanistics Science, Retired


(COMMENT)

There is no citation in law (presented) that supports the position that: "occupying force cannot claim self defense." In fact, the exact opposite has been presented. It is Illegal for the Hostile Arab Palestine to commit any act which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power.
Repeating the unspported claim (a claim debunked) does not make it accurate. In point of fact, the number of times the false claim is made is prima facie evidence that the claim is deliberately deceptive and falls in the category of Disinformation.
______________________________
American Heritage® Dictionary, 5th Edition, copyright ©2022 by HarperCollins Publishers.

(COMMENT)

Contrary to popular belief, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) did not rule that the conflict was an evidence of "Genocide." It ordered Israel to insure that their actions do not rise to the level of genocide. SOURCE
(The ICJ did NOT order a cease-fire. It is unclear as to whether or not the ICJ can enforce and part of the order.)

◈ take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, ​

◈ take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip;​

​

There is the question as to the intent of the court. The order could be construed (being unclear) as to be providing legal support (aiding and abetting) a subset set of designated terrorists in relation to Palestinians in Gaza [Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) (all four of which are designated terrorist organizations)] as established by the European Union COUNCIL DECISION (CFSP) 2022/152 of 3 February 2022 (Official Journal of the European Union). One-third of the Designated Terrorist List are Arab Palestinian entities.
There are two broad definitions of "state-sponsored terrorism."

◈ One refers to governments that support or conduct terrorism against other governments. ​

◈ The other refers to governments that conduct terrorist acts against their own citizens.​

_______________________________________

https://www.pbs.org › newshour › world › what-is-hamas-what-to-know-about-its-origins-leaders-and-funding​

What is Hamas? What to know about its origins, leaders and funding - PBS​

It governs more than two million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, but the group is best known for its armed resistance to Israel. In Oct. 2023, Hamas launched a massive surprise attack on southern...​

https://www.npr.org › 2023 › 10 › 10 › 1204826544 › hamas-israel-war-gaza-palestinian

What is Hamas? Here's what to know : NPR​

Oct 10, 2023World European leaders pledge support for Israel, condemn Hamas and halt Palestinian aid Hamas won 2006 parliamentary elections elections and in 2007 violently seized control of the Gaza Strip...​

Most Respectfully,
R

What is up with these data dumps? You can't mire succinct than that?

According to the laws of occupation and the 4th Geneva Convention, an occupying force cannot claim self defense.

https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/assets/files/other/law9_final.pdf

 

[Shusha]

The other recipients were the existing, indigenous, non-Jewish population that was living there for several generations.

Great! We agree.

Now, how can we tell which territory belonged to the Jewish people, and which territory belonged to the Arab Palestinians? What was the border between those two territories in 1948? What document delineates that border? (No time-travel!)