Israelis are not Semites

[GLASNOST]

The Israelis are not from the Middle East. Their Zionist madness is murdering Palestinians who are the real Semites. That means that it is the Israelis who are committing genocide and are therefore anti-Semites.

 

[JGalt]

The Israelis are not from the Middle East. Their Zionist madness is murdering Palestinians who are the real Semites. That means that it is the Israelis who are committing genocide and are therefore anti-Semites.

Ok Bunky.

Semitic 1 of 2 adjective​

Se·mit·ic sə-ˈmi-tik


1 : of, relating to, or constituting a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic

2 : of, relating to, or characteristic of the Semites

3 : Jewish

 

[GLASNOST]

Ok Bunky.

Semitic 1 of 2 adjective​

Se·mit·ic sə-ˈmi-tik


1 : of, relating to, or constituting a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic

2 : of, relating to, or characteristic of the Semites

3 : Jewish

So, you didn't watch the video, is that right?

 

[Meathead]

The Israelis are not from the Middle East. Their Zionist madness is murdering Palestinians who are the real Semites. That means that it is the Israelis who are committing genocide and are therefore anti-Semites.

Most Ashkenazi have little Semite blood, having mixed with Europeans for centuries. That is not the case with most Sephardic Jews.

 

[Shusha]

Well, that is a silly claim. "Hebrew-speaking people are not part of the Semitic group of peoples who speak Semitic languages (which includes Hebrew)."

 

[GLASNOST]

Most Ashkenazi have little Semite blood, having mixed with Europeans for centuries. That is not the case with most Sephardic Jews.

You're probably right.

 

[JGalt]

So, you didn't watch the video, is that right?

I'm just going by the official dictionary definition of "Semitic", which includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic. The definition of "Semite" is also defined as "A member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs."

So technically if one is anti-Semitic, it would only stand to reason that they would also have to hate Arabs. In other words, you can't have it both ways.

 

[GLASNOST]

.... technically if one is anti-Semitic, it would only stand to reason that they would also have to hate Arabs.

"Technically"? How about down-right "obviously"?

 

[JGalt]

"Technically"? How about down-right "obviously"?

So what if someone doesn't like Arabs but has no problem with the Jews? They would be a... wait for it....

Semi-Anti-Semitic

 

[rosends]

Another thread based on ignorance. Whether or not you think that the term "semites" refers genetically to any particular group is immaterial. The term "anti-Semite" was specifically coined to mean "against Jews."

 

[GLASNOST]

So what if someone doesn't like Arabs but has no problem with the Jews? They would be a... wait for it....

Semi-Anti-Semitic

It's madness no matter how you turn it.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

The Israelis are not from the Middle East. Their Zionist madness is murdering Palestinians who are the real Semites. That means that it is the Israelis who are committing genocide and are therefore anti-Semites.

Pretty much. I agree with this overall assessment.

 

[GLASNOST]

The Israelis are not from the Middle East. Their Zionist madness is murdering Palestinians who are the real Semites. That means that it is the Israelis who are committing genocide and are therefore anti-Semites.

Pretty much. I agree with this overall assessment.

It's logic in its purest form.

1). Palestinians = Semites.
2). Zionists ≠Semites
3). Zionists are eager to exterminate Palestinians = Anti-Semites

 

[rosends]

It's logic in its purest form.

1). Palestinians = Semites.
2). Zionists ≠Semites
3). Zionists are eager to exterminate Palestinians = Anti-Semites

I mean, if you like false premises and illogical conclusions, I guess.

Your first premise equates "Palestinians" (an undefined group -- it would include people of many different religions in it) with "semites" which is sloppy because "semite" relates to language groups and speakers, not much else.

Your second premise also presents an undefined group, including large numbers of Arabs and Christians. Zionism is a belief, not a nationality or genetic marker so relating it to "semite" makes no sense.

Your "conclusion" (though it doesn't follow as a proper syllogism) introduces a claim which is unproven and then tries to equate it with a word which is unrelated, historically and etymologically, to your claims.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

It's logic in its purest form.

1). Palestinians = Semites.
2). Zionists ≠Semites
3). Zionists are eager to exterminate Palestinians = Anti-Semites

Opposing Israel's actions against other people, and questioning the nation of Israel is treated as "anti-semitism". I don't agree with that at all. I don't oppose regular Jews just wanting to live their lives. I oppose the actions of their government and Netanyahu.

 

[GLASNOST]

Opposing Israel's actions against other people, and questioning the nation of Israel is treated as "anti-semitism".

Yes, that's true.

I don't agree with that at all.

Neither do I.

I don't oppose regular Jews just wanting to live their lives.

No one should oppose that.

I oppose the actions of their government and Netanyahu.

Yes, there it is.

 

[rosends]

Opposing Israel's actions against other people, and questioning the nation of Israel is treated as "anti-semitism".

No, it isn't. Unless you are questioning whether the state of Israel has the right to exist. In fact, some of the loudest critics of the Israeli government are Israelis.

I don't agree with that at all. I don't oppose regular Jews just wanting to live their lives. I oppose the actions of their government and Netanyahu.

"regular Jews"? If they get killed, they won't be able to live their lives, so a government which defends its citizens, allowing them to live their lives seems to be doing the right thing.

 

[Shusha]

It's logic in its purest form.

1). Palestinians = Semites.
2). Zionists ≠Semites
3). Zionists are eager to exterminate Palestinians = Anti-Semites

Opposing Israel's actions against other people, and questioning the nation of Israel is treated as "anti-semitism". I don't agree with that at all. I don't oppose regular Jews just wanting to live their lives. I oppose the actions of their government and Netanyahu.

JanetTheGreat, you do realize that this post of Glasnost's that you responded to is not opposing the actions of Israel's government or Netanyahu, right? And you do realize that phrases like "Zionists are not Semites" and "Zionists are eager to exterminate Palestinians" are inflammatory and demonizing statements against "regular Jews", right?

Hmmm. If only there was a word for that.

 

[Shusha]

JanetTheGreat, I see you "fake news" my post. Are you claiming that "Zionists are eager to exterminate Palestinians" is a criticism of the Israeli government?

 

[JanetTheGreat]

JanetTheGreat, I see you "fake news" my post. Are you claiming that "Zionists are eager to exterminate Palestinians" is a criticism of the Israeli government?

What else is there for me to say that hasn't been said about Israel already? You clearly aren't willing to criticize it at all, and cover any criticism as "Anti-Semitism", so there is nothing further to say to someone who is that far into supporting Israel's government.