"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nonsense!

No, he just missed the point.

(QUESTION)

What is the point I missed?

Most Respectfully,
R

Jees, Rocco, it is only two sentences.

The division between Fatah and Hamas began in 2006, when Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections. In the following year, clashes erupted between Fatah and Hamas, leaving Hamas in control of the Strip and Fatah in control of parts of the occupied West Bank.

What does it tell you?

It tells me that islam and muslims just have to be violent and if they cant find a common enemy they will kill each other for fun. In this case two rival extremist terrorist factions want to control 1 million men and boys who will fight to the death for what their leaders tell them is true. This is to fulfil the commands in the Koran that tell the muslims "TO KILL THE JEWS"

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, what does it say about the Palestinian?

Jees, Rocco, it is only two sentences.



What does it tell you?

(COMMENT)

You speak of "the division" (squabbling and conflict - clashes erupted) between (two factions) "Fatah and Hamas" (a case of multiple personalities within the Palestinians).

It is a very clear example of the former Turkish community (Article 22) that have not reached a time - such as they are able to stand alone.

And, as I said, the internal domestic conflict is such that the world will not really care which one overcomes the other. They are both detrimental to regional peace and security. Right now, Fatah is favored over HAMAS; but, that is merely pitting the Fedayeen against the Jihadist. But in reality, they are all Palestinians with DID.

No, I didn't miss the point at all. What you might think is important is not necessarily the important or the salient point as I see it. It was a short statement about a people that cannot properly exercise self-rule or self-government in such a way that it is productive for its people.

Most Respectfully,
R

No, it doesn't say that.

See you don't see that because you are not able to think outside of the Islamic mind set. You cant blame Israel, Britain, USA or any other nation for the cold blooded violent murders by hamas and fatah or the clashes between them, IT IS PART OF THEIR ISLAMIC CULTURE

 

[Phoenall]

Jees, Rocco, it is only two sentences.



What does it tell you?

That the leaders of each of these "organizations" want to buy their wives a castle in France.

And then get aids and die.

After mishearing that polony cures aids, so he takes polonium instead.

 

[Phoenall]

I commend Rocco for putting up with Tinmores immaturity

What does that have to do with the thread topic in the OP?

What does this post have to do with the topic

 

[Phoenall]

I commend Rocco for putting up with Tinmores immaturity

What does that have to do with the thread topic in the OP?

What does this post have to do with the topic

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, what does it say about the Palestinian?


(COMMENT)

You speak of "the division" (squabbling and conflict - clashes erupted) between (two factions) "Fatah and Hamas" (a case of multiple personalities within the Palestinians).

It is a very clear example of the former Turkish community (Article 22) that have not reached a time - such as they are able to stand alone.

And, as I said, the internal domestic conflict is such that the world will not really care which one overcomes the other. They are both detrimental to regional peace and security. Right now, Fatah is favored over HAMAS; but, that is merely pitting the Fedayeen against the Jihadist. But in reality, they are all Palestinians with DID.

No, I didn't miss the point at all. What you might think is important is not necessarily the important or the salient point as I see it. It was a short statement about a people that cannot properly exercise self-rule or self-government in such a way that it is productive for its people.

Most Respectfully,
R

No, it doesn't say that.

See you don't see that because you are not able to think outside of the Islamic mind set. You cant blame Israel, Britain, USA or any other nation for the cold blooded violent murders by hamas and fatah or the clashes between them, IT IS PART OF THEIR ISLAMIC CULTURE

You just proved that you know nothing about this.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGKzP9EhJMY]Iran-Contra 2.0- how bush armed Fatah to fight Hamas - YouTube[/ame]

Fatah militants loyal to Muhammad Dahlan (whom George W. Bush has called "our guy") abuse Hamas detainees including Mazen Asad abu Dan, 28, on January 26, 2007. ("Abu Fadi" is Dahlan's nom de guerre.) Later, abu Dan says, he and other detainees were shot five times each in the knees and feet.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG4HHR9hf-g]Video from "The Gaza Bombshell" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

So, you framed the issue, even without a question.

You just proved that you know nothing about this.

(COMMENT)

It was not then, and is not now, any big secret that the US did not support the terrorist organization HAMAS as the Palestinian government.

But what is funny is that you are complaining that the Arab League supplied arms and munitions to Fatah in order to oppose the Hamas Regime.

(THE REST OF THE STORY)

The Vanity Fare article/story was published in 2008. It was the Fatah Government which was lobbying the US for arms and munitions, which then, the US passed-on to the Arab League. Any Arms and Munitions going into the West Bank had to go through Arab League member borders. Even Vanity Fare admits that the Plan (Called Plan B) "devised after Abbas made a deal in January 2007 to form a unity government with Fatah and Hamas—much to America’s dismay."

The real issue is about HAMAS and what support it can expect from the Arab League. It is obvious that HAMAS was lost one of its several of its most significant supporters.

If you are going to talk about support for HAMAS, then make it plain for us laymen.

And let's be honest, HAMAS doesn't enjoy an environment of unqualified support from the Arab League. When the Arab League talks, it talks to Fatah and not HAMAS.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

So, you framed the issue, even without a question.

You just proved that you know nothing about this.

(COMMENT)

It was not then, and is not now, any big secret that the US did not support the terrorist organization HAMAS as the Palestinian government.

But what is funny is that you are complaining that the Arab League supplied arms and munitions to Fatah in order to oppose the Hamas Regime.

(THE REST OF THE STORY)

The Vanity Fare article/story was published in 2008. It was the Fatah Government which was lobbying the US for arms and munitions, which then, the US passed-on to the Arab League. Any Arms and Munitions going into the West Bank had to go through Arab League member borders. Even Vanity Fare admits that the Plan (Called Plan B) "devised after Abbas made a deal in January 2007 to form a unity government with Fatah and Hamas—much to America’s dismay."

The real issue is about HAMAS and what support it can expect from the Arab League. It is obvious that HAMAS was lost one of its several of its most significant supporters.

If you are going to talk about support for HAMAS, then make it plain for us laymen.

And let's be honest, HAMAS doesn't enjoy an environment of unqualified support from the Arab League. When the Arab League talks, it talks to Fatah and not HAMAS.

Most Respectfully,
R

It is not about Hamas. It is about an illegal coup against an elected government fostered by the US.

It is about setting up an illegal dictatorship in the West Bank.

It is about lying to the world about this dictatorship being "the government."

 

[ForeverYoung436]

P F Tinmore, et al,

So, you framed the issue, even without a question.

You just proved that you know nothing about this.

(COMMENT)

It was not then, and is not now, any big secret that the US did not support the terrorist organization HAMAS as the Palestinian government.

But what is funny is that you are complaining that the Arab League supplied arms and munitions to Fatah in order to oppose the Hamas Regime.

(THE REST OF THE STORY)

The Vanity Fare article/story was published in 2008. It was the Fatah Government which was lobbying the US for arms and munitions, which then, the US passed-on to the Arab League. Any Arms and Munitions going into the West Bank had to go through Arab League member borders. Even Vanity Fare admits that the Plan (Called Plan B) "devised after Abbas made a deal in January 2007 to form a unity government with Fatah and Hamas—much to America’s dismay."

The real issue is about HAMAS and what support it can expect from the Arab League. It is obvious that HAMAS was lost one of its several of its most significant supporters.

If you are going to talk about support for HAMAS, then make it plain for us laymen.

And let's be honest, HAMAS doesn't enjoy an environment of unqualified support from the Arab League. When the Arab League talks, it talks to Fatah and not HAMAS.

Most Respectfully,
R

It is not about Hamas. It is about an illegal coup against an elected government fostered by the US.

It is about setting up an illegal dictatorship in the West Bank.

It is about lying to the world about this dictatorship being "the government."

Welcome to the Middle east in general!!

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The timeline, and humanity traveling that timeline, are not perfect. There are instances when two, independently sound and valid concepts, come into conflict. And it is then, some hard choices have to be made.

• A Democracy (some variation) is the more practical form of self-determination.
• Among one of the most important Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States is the maintenance of international peace and security.
• One of the most sincere pledges a nation and people can make is to prevent and combat terrorism, in particular by denying terrorists access to the means to carry out their attacks, to their targets.

One cannot support HAMAS, a fundamental Islamic Jihadist based political entity that uses hostile action, by whatever means necessary, to accomplish their political objectives and achieve their agenda. Thus, if a people and a culture elect such a national government, knowing that there is no grievance, no goal, no cause that can excuse terrorist acts; they must also understand that their is no legitimate government that can uses hostile action, by whatever means necessary; like HAMAS.

• It is about an illegal coup against an elected government fostered by the US.

(COMMENT)

All coups d'état are against domestic law.

• It is about setting up an illegal dictatorship in the West Bank.

(COMMENT)

That is a decision made by the regional governments concerning a country that has not reached the stage where it can stand on its own.

• It is about lying to the world about this dictatorship being "the government."

(COMMENT)

The US did not lie. I don't think there is a country in the world that ever believed the US supported HAMAS. But what the US say or doesn't say on the issue is not really important. What is important is what the Palestinian's said in their Declaration of Independence and what is recognized by the Arab League. (It's an Arab Issue, not an American Issue!)

The national will has established its political framework; and that is the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole, legitimate representative of the Palestinian people, as recognized by the international community and represented in the United Nations and its institutions and in other international and regional organizations.

2. To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels;

SOURCE: Resolution on Palestine Rabat, Morocco 28 october 1974

SOURCE: A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988

"The current Government was sworn in by the President of the State of Palestine, Mr. Mahmoud Abbas, on 6 June 2013." If the PLO-Executive Committee and the Palestinian National Council say that it is so, THEN it is so!

Who are you to say different?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[José]

Originally posted by RoccoR
One cannot support HAMAS, a fundamental Islamic Jihadist based political entity that uses hostile action, by whatever means necessary, to accomplish their political objectives and achieve their agenda.

Why not??

Take a good look in the mirror... you have no problem supporting a murderous, morally depraved jewish supremacist state that has been killing palestinians in cold blood as they try to move about their homeland for the last 65 years.

You complaining about palestinian terrorism is like Larry Flynt complaining about pornography.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Originally posted by RoccoR
One cannot support HAMAS, a fundamental Islamic Jihadist based political entity that uses hostile action, by whatever means necessary, to accomplish their political objectives and achieve their agenda.

Why not??

Take a good look in the mirror... you have no problem supporting a murderous, morally depraved jewish supremacist state that has been killing palestinians in cold blood as they try to move about their homeland for the last 65 years.

You complaining about palestinian terrorism is like Larry Flynt complaining about pornography.

Hamas uses hostile actions?

Like defending their country?

WOW, their bad.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"The current Government was sworn in by the President of the State of Palestine, Mr. Mahmoud Abbas, on 6 June 2013." If the PLO-Executive Committee and the Palestinian National Council say that it is so, THEN it is so!

Who are you to say different?

I don't say different. Their constitution says different.

Article 5

The governing system in Palestine shall be a democratic parliamentary system, based upon political and party pluralism. The President of the National Authority shall be directly elected by the people. The government shall be accountable to the President and to the Palestinian Legislative Council.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

You are mistaken. (lied to) The president is elected by the people not appointed by the PLO.

 

[toastman]

Originally posted by RoccoR
One cannot support HAMAS, a fundamental Islamic Jihadist based political entity that uses hostile action, by whatever means necessary, to accomplish their political objectives and achieve their agenda.

Why not??

Take a good look in the mirror... you have no problem supporting a murderous, morally depraved jewish supremacist state that has been killing palestinians in cold blood as they try to move about their homeland for the last 65 years.

You complaining about palestinian terrorism is like Larry Flynt complaining about pornography.

Maybe rocco doesnt have the same bullshit palestinian propaganda mentality that you and tinmore have.

 

[toastman]

Originally posted by RoccoR
One cannot support HAMAS, a fundamental Islamic Jihadist based political entity that uses hostile action, by whatever means necessary, to accomplish their political objectives and achieve their agenda.

Why not??

Take a good look in the mirror... you have no problem supporting a murderous, morally depraved jewish supremacist state that has been killing palestinians in cold blood as they try to move about their homeland for the last 65 years.

You complaining about palestinian terrorism is like Larry Flynt complaining about pornography.

Hamas uses hostile actions?

Like defending their country?

WOW, their bad.

Lol Tinmore reading this post, it just shows how incredibly brainwashed you are. You truly are an expert in Palestinian Propaganda

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why not??

Take a good look in the mirror... you have no problem supporting a murderous, morally depraved jewish supremacist state that has been killing palestinians in cold blood as they try to move about their homeland for the last 65 years.

You complaining about palestinian terrorism is like Larry Flynt complaining about pornography.

Hamas uses hostile actions?

Like defending their country?

WOW, their bad.

Lol Tinmore reading this post, it just shows how incredibly brainwashed you are. You truly are an expert in Palestinian Propaganda

5. Further recognizes the right of the Palestinian people to regain its rights by all means in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations;

6. Appeals to all States and international organizations to extend their support to the Palestinian people in its struggle to restore its rights, in accordance with the Charter;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

 

[toastman]

And this has what to do with Hamas?

 

[P F Tinmore]

And this has what to do with Hamas?

Hamas is the legal government of Palestine.

It is their right and their duty to secure the rights of their people.

 

[toastman]

If thats their job, they're doing a terrible job at it. All they have is invite death and destruction into Gaza

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas uses hostile actions?

Like defending their country?

WOW, their bad.

Lol Tinmore reading this post, it just shows how incredibly brainwashed you are. You truly are an expert in Palestinian Propaganda

5. Further recognizes the right of the Palestinian people to regain its rights by all means in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations;

6. Appeals to all States and international organizations to extend their support to the Palestinian people in its struggle to restore its rights, in accordance with the Charter;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

Does this mean that BDS is sanctioned by UN resolution?

Just curious.