"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[toastman]

Yeah, God sent those armies, so that they get humiliated by a bunch of ragtag Jews with a newly formed army. Way to go.

Those ragtag jews and backing from major western powers.

Not in 1948 or 1967.

BTW the countries that attacked Israel all had backing from other Arab states not involved in the war.

 

[aris2chat]

Eh get over it, Taliban and Al Queda would also engage in "street improvements" and provide other services in Afghanistan. That's because they had toppled the govt and turned it into a failed state, which is exactly what has happened in Gaza.

None of those "services" fooled anybody.

Hamas was elected, in a legal, democratic election, that was confirmed by international watchdogs. The Taliban had the grudging consent of the governed, as well. I've never seen any instance of a member of al Qaeda running for government in any election, so I don't know what the hell you are talking about there.

As far as "failures" go, the majority of Gaza's, is the direct result of the 47 year occupation by Israeli forces and is not much different than the Warsaw Ghetto.

As far as your last comment, are you claiming "street improvements" is a terrorist act?

And finally, why didn't you answer my question?

Hamas did not win the popular vote, Fatah did by a wide margin. What Hamas win was by default, because there were so many fatah candidates splitting the votes.
Hamas has not allowed elections since then.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Eh get over it, Taliban and Al Queda would also engage in "street improvements" and provide other services in Afghanistan. That's because they had toppled the govt and turned it into a failed state, which is exactly what has happened in Gaza.

None of those "services" fooled anybody.

Hamas was elected, in a legal, democratic election, that was confirmed by international watchdogs. The Taliban had the grudging consent of the governed, as well. I've never seen any instance of a member of al Qaeda running for government in any election, so I don't know what the hell you are talking about there.

As far as "failures" go, the majority of Gaza's, is the direct result of the 47 year occupation by Israeli forces and is not much different than the Warsaw Ghetto.

As far as your last comment, are you claiming "street improvements" is a terrorist act?

And finally, why didn't you answer my question?

Hamas did not win the popular vote, Fatah did by a wide margin. What Hamas win was by default, because there were so many fatah candidates splitting the votes.
Hamas has not allowed elections since then.

It is Abbas who is holding up new elections.

 

[aris2chat]

Hamas was elected, in a legal, democratic election, that was confirmed by international watchdogs. The Taliban had the grudging consent of the governed, as well. I've never seen any instance of a member of al Qaeda running for government in any election, so I don't know what the hell you are talking about there.

As far as "failures" go, the majority of Gaza's, is the direct result of the 47 year occupation by Israeli forces and is not much different than the Warsaw Ghetto.

As far as your last comment, are you claiming "street improvements" is a terrorist act?

And finally, why didn't you answer my question?

Hamas did not win the popular vote, Fatah did by a wide margin. What Hamas win was by default, because there were so many fatah candidates splitting the votes.
Hamas has not allowed elections since then.

It is Abbas who is holding up new elections.

No Abbas has tried many times to hold elections. Hamas won't allow the elections.

http://www.ifes.org/Content/Publica...s/2010/Palestinian_Local_Elections_062010.pdf

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is a very good question. Is Mahmoud Abbas really the problem?

It is Abbas who is holding up new elections.

(OBSERVATION)

The head of Fatah's reconciliation delegation will not travel to Gaza to discuss unity talks until Hamas agrees to hold elections, a Fatah official said Tuesday. Amin Maqboul, the secretary-general of Fatah's revolutionary council, said Azzam al-Ahmad "would not travel to the Gaza Strip before we receive official notification confirming that Hamas has agreed to general elections and a national consensus government,'' reported the Palestinian Maan news agency. Once official confirmation is received al-Ahmad will go to Gaza to reach an agreement on practical steps for implementation. Representatives of various Palestinian political parties held a meeting last Thursday in Gaza to discuss negotiations and national reconciliation. The division between Fatah and Hamas began in 2006, when Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections. In the following year, clashes erupted between Fatah and Hamas, leaving Hamas in control of the Strip and Fatah in control of parts of the occupied West Bank. The groups have made failed attempts at national reconciliation for years, most recently in 2012, when they signed two agreements -- one in Cairo and a subsequent one in Doha -- which have as of yet been entirely unimplemented

SOURCE: MENAFN - Qatar News Agency - 19/02/2014

It appears to me that HAMAS is the roadblock.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is a very good question. Is Mahmoud Abbas really the problem?

It is Abbas who is holding up new elections.

(OBSERVATION)

The head of Fatah's reconciliation delegation will not travel to Gaza to discuss unity talks until Hamas agrees to hold elections, a Fatah official said Tuesday. Amin Maqboul, the secretary-general of Fatah's revolutionary council, said Azzam al-Ahmad "would not travel to the Gaza Strip before we receive official notification confirming that Hamas has agreed to general elections and a national consensus government,'' reported the Palestinian Maan news agency. Once official confirmation is received al-Ahmad will go to Gaza to reach an agreement on practical steps for implementation. Representatives of various Palestinian political parties held a meeting last Thursday in Gaza to discuss negotiations and national reconciliation. The division between Fatah and Hamas began in 2006, when Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections. In the following year, clashes erupted between Fatah and Hamas, leaving Hamas in control of the Strip and Fatah in control of parts of the occupied West Bank. The groups have made failed attempts at national reconciliation for years, most recently in 2012, when they signed two agreements -- one in Cairo and a subsequent one in Doha -- which have as of yet been entirely unimplemented

SOURCE: MENAFN - Qatar News Agency - 19/02/2014

It appears to me that HAMAS is the roadblock.

Most Respectfully,
R

People do not see things that are as obvious as the nose on your face.

The division between Fatah and Hamas began in 2006, when Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections. In the following year, clashes erupted between Fatah and Hamas, leaving Hamas in control of the Strip and Fatah in control of parts of the occupied West Bank.

 

[Roudy]

Yeah, God sent those armies, so that they get humiliated by a bunch of ragtag Jews with a newly formed army. Way to go.

Those ragtag jews and backing from major western powers.

The Jews had a makeshift army with Zero help for the US govt, while the Arabs were well armed client states of Communist Soviet Union, enemies of America.

The US did not actually start supporting Israel until the mid sixties after Israel had fought all its major wars. And it did that for US national security purposes, only after it realized that all the Arab states had become puppets of the Soviet Union. Isn't it funny how Muslims, going back to the Nazis are always on the wrong side of history?

 

[Roudy]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is a very good question. Is Mahmoud Abbas really the problem?

It is Abbas who is holding up new elections.

(OBSERVATION)

The head of Fatah's reconciliation delegation will not travel to Gaza to discuss unity talks until Hamas agrees to hold elections, a Fatah official said Tuesday. Amin Maqboul, the secretary-general of Fatah's revolutionary council, said Azzam al-Ahmad "would not travel to the Gaza Strip before we receive official notification confirming that Hamas has agreed to general elections and a national consensus government,'' reported the Palestinian Maan news agency. Once official confirmation is received al-Ahmad will go to Gaza to reach an agreement on practical steps for implementation. Representatives of various Palestinian political parties held a meeting last Thursday in Gaza to discuss negotiations and national reconciliation. The division between Fatah and Hamas began in 2006, when Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections. In the following year, clashes erupted between Fatah and Hamas, leaving Hamas in control of the Strip and Fatah in control of parts of the occupied West Bank. The groups have made failed attempts at national reconciliation for years, most recently in 2012, when they signed two agreements -- one in Cairo and a subsequent one in Doha -- which have as of yet been entirely unimplemented

SOURCE: MENAFN - Qatar News Agency - 19/02/2014

It appears to me that HAMAS is the roadblock.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nothing but the total destruction of the state of Israel and murder or eviction of all Jews is an acceptable result to Hamas. It's in their charter. Even peace negotiations and compromises are forbidden.

 

[RoccoR]

Roudy; et al,

I'm just wondering, given the overwhelming support for Israel in the US, and the overwhelming opposition to the existence of Israel within HAMAS, if the Palestinians have overplayed their hand.

Nothing but the total destruction of the state of Israel and murder or eviction of all Jews is an acceptable result to Hamas. It's in their charter. Even peace negotiations and compromises are forbidden.

(COMMENT)

It is becoming quite obvious that, in the times to come (maybe even the next US Administration) that US policy will shift, dumping the two-state solution and cutting loose the fractured and unstable Palestinians. At some point, the US will have to allow the State of Palestine that latitude (with zero support) to either sink (failed state) or swim (stand alone).

The US will probably not tolerate the hostile attitude and threats made towards the US by the Palestinians much longer without consequences. And it is unlikely that the US will support any international move to abandon the near 100 year pledge for the establishment of the Jewish National Home. There is some concern that the current Administration might be the last administration to openly provide any assistance to the Palestinians; for which a succession of governments could not have continued without US Aid and donations.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Despite all the mumbo jumbo nonsense you just posted,

It's not "...mumbo jumbo nonsense...", if it's true.

as with the Taliban, Hamas is classified as a terrorist organization by the US Federal govt. The fact that Hamas happens govern and do street improvements and other services involving day to day governing, does not negate their terrorist standing with the US, Europe, and many other governments.

I'm not arguing that. The fact that they are on that list, is not a debatable issue, whether or not they spend all their time committing terrorist acts, is. It's really a moot point. Because you're gonna call them terrorists no matter what they do.

Perhaps if they used all the money they get from shady entities towards actually helping their people as opposed to trying to kill more Jewish babies, they wouldn't be such failures. But then again, it's called Palestinian Mentality (TM).

When their banks keep shutting down because of the blockade, how else are they supposed to get money?

Why do their banks shut down when the money is already in circulation, that is how the civilised nations operate. They only print more money when the old has become worn out, and then it is burnt. So if the Palestinian banks have $1 million dollars and there are another $10 million in circulation how does the blockade affect the money being spent. The only thing that could cause them to shut down is a run on the banks float, and that would cause a major collapse of the banking system.


Just another pallywood LIE designed to fool the semi literate ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS

 

[Phoenall]

Yeah, God sent those armies, so that they get humiliated by a bunch of ragtag Jews with a newly formed army. Way to go.

Those ragtag jews and backing from major western powers.

Wrong again it was only after 6 months that they were SOLD some outdated tanks from Czechoslovakia. The rest of the western powers did not help until the mid 1950's to mid 1970's. The Jews fought with old equipment and for their lives, the arabs fought with modern weapons and no heart for the battle

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, it is quite plain that the Palestinian People, as a culture, have a Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). A case of multiple personalities with one portion exhibiting the symptoms of the Islamic Jihadist and Radicalized Fedayeen; and the other face presenting the ever discontent and perpetual victimized features of an unproductive and leaderless society --- unable to control the combative face, and unwilling to accept the conditions they cannot change. Neither faction willing to compromise in the name of peace in exchange for a new environment more conducive to a prosperous economy.

People do not see things that are as obvious as the nose on your face.

The division between Fatah and Hamas began in 2006, when Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections. In the following year, clashes erupted between Fatah and Hamas, leaving Hamas in control of the Strip and Fatah in control of parts of the occupied West Bank.

(COMMENT)

No one really cares when the terrorist two factions began its clash with its twin as a terrorist. All that is seen is that the Palestinian would rather continue the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict then to change in the direction of peace. Soon, it will not matter if it is HAMAS or Fatah that comes out on top. They are both detrimental to regional security and peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

I stated that Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety.

Nobody has proved otherwise.

And we believe you.

Outrageous claim of the day: Jews are safe in Gaza with Hamas.

Or is this Palestinian comedy hour?

I notice that you did not report any attacks.

Because the vast majority of Jews are not allowed into gaza, only that 1% of True Torah Jews are welcome.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is a very good question. Is Mahmoud Abbas really the problem?

It is Abbas who is holding up new elections.

(OBSERVATION)



It appears to me that HAMAS is the roadblock.

Most Respectfully,
R

People do not see things that are as obvious as the nose on your face.

The division between Fatah and Hamas began in 2006, when Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections. In the following year, clashes erupted between Fatah and Hamas, leaving Hamas in control of the Strip and Fatah in control of parts of the occupied West Bank.

Why are you deflecting when you have been proven wrong yet again

 

[Indeependent]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is a very good question. Is Mahmoud Abbas really the problem?


(OBSERVATION)



It appears to me that HAMAS is the roadblock.

Most Respectfully,
R

People do not see things that are as obvious as the nose on your face.

The division between Fatah and Hamas began in 2006, when Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections. In the following year, clashes erupted between Fatah and Hamas, leaving Hamas in control of the Strip and Fatah in control of parts of the occupied West Bank.

Why are you deflecting when you have been proven wrong yet again

Do you ever feel as though you are conversing with Lewis Carroll?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, it is quite plain that the Palestinian People, as a culture, have a Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). A case of multiple personalities with one portion exhibiting the symptoms of the Islamic Jihadist and Radicalized Fedayeen; and the other face presenting the ever discontent and perpetual victimized features of an unproductive and leaderless society --- unable to control the combative face, and unwilling to accept the conditions they cannot change. Neither faction willing to compromise in the name of peace in exchange for a new environment more conducive to a prosperous economy.

People do not see things that are as obvious as the nose on your face.

The division between Fatah and Hamas began in 2006, when Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections. In the following year, clashes erupted between Fatah and Hamas, leaving Hamas in control of the Strip and Fatah in control of parts of the occupied West Bank.

(COMMENT)

No one really cares when the terrorist two factions began its clash with its twin as a terrorist. All that is seen is that the Palestinian would rather continue the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict then to change in the direction of peace. Soon, it will not matter if it is HAMAS or Fatah that comes out on top. They are both detrimental to regional security and peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

You completely missed the point.

Perhaps you should read the quote and not read into the quote.

 

[Roudy]

Roudy; et al,

I'm just wondering, given the overwhelming support for Israel in the US, and the overwhelming opposition to the existence of Israel within HAMAS, if the Palestinians have overplayed their hand.

Nothing but the total destruction of the state of Israel and murder or eviction of all Jews is an acceptable result to Hamas. It's in their charter. Even peace negotiations and compromises are forbidden.

(COMMENT)

It is becoming quite obvious that, in the times to come (maybe even the next US Administration) that US policy will shift, dumping the two-state solution and cutting loose the fractured and unstable Palestinians. At some point, the US will have to allow the State of Palestine that latitude (with zero support) to either sink (failed state) or swim (stand alone).

The US will probably not tolerate the hostile attitude and threats made towards the US by the Palestinians much longer without consequences. And it is unlikely that the US will support any international move to abandon the near 100 year pledge for the establishment of the Jewish National Home. There is some concern that the current Administration might be the last administration to openly provide any assistance to the Palestinians; for which a succession of governments could not have continued without US Aid and donations.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are correct, whatever advantage this current administration is currently giving to the Palestinians, it against the will of the American people and future administrations will no longer be interested in appeasing the unrealistic terroristic genocidal desires of the Palestinians.

 

[Victory67]

Folks have accused John Kerry of anti-Semitism because of his push for a Israel Palestine peace deal.

The funny thing about this accusation is that it hurts Jews, portrays Jews in a bad light, and increases anti-Semitism.

 

[Sally]

Folks have accused John Kerry of anti-Semitism because of his push for a Israel Palestine peace deal.

The funny thing about this accusation is that it hurts Jews, portrays Jews in a bad light, and increases anti-Semitism.

How about all the Christians who have negative thoughts about Kerry and feel he is pushing to get a Nobel Prize. Does it put these Christians in a bad light to have their opinion of Kerry?

 

[Victory67]

How about all the Christians who have negative thoughts about Kerry and feel he is pushing to get a Nobel Prize. Does it put these Christians in a bad light to have their opinion of Kerry?

What's your point? That some nutcase Apocolyptic Christians hate Kerry because they want a world war to start in Israel to bring forth the Anti-Christ and Jesus' final resurrection?

I'm not interested. This is about peace and ending anti-semitism.