"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[Phoenall]

Does this mean that BDS is sanctioned by UN resolution?

Just curious.

You must be out of bullets. You are playing the terrorist card.

Whats wrong with stating facts? Hamas is an Islamist terrorist organization. Theres a reason they are listed as such by many countries. Get over it already

I wonder who first pimped that opinion?

Hmmm?

I wonder who has been LYING all along about Palestine being appointed observer status at the UN as a nation within international borders. Then produces a link that states :-

1. Invites the Palestine Liberation Organization to participate in the sessions and the work of the General Assembly in the capacity of observer;

2. Invites the Palestine Liberation Organization to participate in the sessions and the work of all international conferences convened under the auspices of the General Assembly in the capacity of observer;

3. Considers that the Palestine Liberation Organization is entitled to participate as an observer in the sessions and the work of all international conferences convened under the auspices of other organs of the United Nations;

4. Requests the Secretary-General to take the necessary steps for the implementation of the present resolution.


So it seems that the UN has hung hamas out to dry as well and took their right of self determibation away from them..............

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm just calling it as I see it.

You must be out of bullets. You are playing the terrorist card.

(OBSERVATION)

HAMAS

• (Art 8) Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
• (Art 13) There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.
• (Art 15) Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem.

PLO

• (Art 9) Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• (Art 10) Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war.
• (Art 30) Fighters and carriers of arms in the war of liberation are the nucleus of the popular army which will be the protective force for the gains of the Palestinian Arab people.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck.

Knock on any door and ask: Do you support Jihadists and Fedayeen?

Most Respectfully,
R

That is Israel's question.

With the help of BDS and others, other questions are taking over.

Israel does not like this change of debate.

What change of debate would that be then, the fact that the UN has frozen hamas out of representing the Palestinians at the UN ?

 

[Phoenall]

I don't say different. Their constitution says different.



You are mistaken. (lied to) The president is elected by the people not appointed by the PLO.

Arafat was appointed by the AL. His election in '96 was against 73 yr old grandmother.
Abbas was appointed after Arafat's death till elections 2005

Arafat was appointed the president of Palestine and was officially elected in 1996 for the interim period.

In 2002 Arafat signed into law the Basic Law (constitution) and it was amended in 2003 to create the position of prime minister. The cabinet ministers, who were under the president, were now under the prime minister.

Upon Arafat's death, the constitution kicked in stating that the speaker of parliament shall temporarily assume the office of president and call for an election within 60 days. Arafat died November 11, 2004 and Abbas was elected president for a four year term on January 9, 2005.

The speaker of the Palestinian parliament, Rawhi Fattuh, will be sworn in as Palestinian Authority president on an interim basis at noon (5 a.m. ET), according to Palestinian officials.

Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Sha'ath said Fattuh's first order of duty will be to "declare free and open public elections within 60 days."

CNN.com - Palestinian leader Arafat dies at 75 - Nov 11, 2004

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009. The constitution should have kicked in again to elect a new president. Abbas refuses to step down and let constitutional procedures to follow their course. He is preventing elections from taking place.

Then who would negotiate with Israel on peace as hamas is a terrorist organisation and as such any members risk arrest and trial if they set foot outside of gaza. Would leave your Palestinians in a right mess wouldn't it, and this is what comes of electing a proscribed terrorist organisation to power

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Whatever the situation may be, the fact of the matter is, that the people and the government of Palestine is not capable of establishing self-governing institutions that actually work.

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009. The constitution should have kicked in again to elect a new president. Abbas refuses to step down and let constitutional procedures to follow their course. He is preventing elections from taking place.

(COMMENT)

This is the "demonstrated" inability of the Palestinian People to manage their own house. No matter what the ground truth may be, the fault lies in their inability to sustain a functional government under their own constitution.

Most Respectfully,
R

Which means that they are unable to act towards self determination and are in breach of the UN resolutions and charter.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, Phoenall, et al,

What effects policies, views, or actions that harm or discriminate against Jews (anti-Semitism) is an attempt to influence a person's beliefs, attitudes, intentions, motivations, or behaviors relative to Jews (not Israelis).

What does this post have to do with the topic

It referenced the topic in the OP.

If you don't know what that is, you shouldn't be posting in this thread.

And what does this post have to do with the OP ?

(COMMENT)

It is exceptionally hard to institute any policy or action in sphere of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict that is not construed to be having some sort of impact. Each cause has an effect (positive or negative). And each cause must be evaluated individually.

Since most Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) actions are drive by the need to further Jihad, which in their mind, is the only solution, the policies of Israel have little or no impact on them. But in the outside world, the influence has a potential to create support for the protection of the State of Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

What effects policies, views, or actions that harm or discriminate against Jews (anti-Semitism) is an attempt to influence a person's beliefs, attitudes, intentions, motivations, or behaviors relative to Jews (not Israelis).

My issues have nothing to do with Judaism.

I could care less how people worship, or what name they call God.

My issues, are with Israeli's. The Israeli right, to be more specific.

I fully support the Israeli left.

The Israeli right, can GFT's.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Whatever the situation may be, the fact of the matter is, that the people and the government of Palestine is not capable of establishing self-governing institutions that actually work.

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009. The constitution should have kicked in again to elect a new president. Abbas refuses to step down and let constitutional procedures to follow their course. He is preventing elections from taking place.

(COMMENT)

This is the "demonstrated" inability of the Palestinian People to manage their own house. No matter what the ground truth may be, the fault lies in their inability to sustain a functional government under their own constitution.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not when assholes with guns and money install a dictatorship.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The BDS is merely a protest.

That is Israel's question.

With the help of BDS and others, other questions are taking over.

Israel does not like this change of debate.

(QUESTIONS)

What is the new question? How has the debate changes?

(COMMENT)

The cornerstone issue has been and continues to be, WHEN will the Hostile Arab Palestinian decide to "live at peace with their neighbours" (a A/RES/194 requirement)? The fact that HAMAS is a terrorist supporting government is only evidence that the government itself is both criminal in nature and relies on threats of violence and violence in the furtherance of it agenda. The fact that the Palestinian cannot determine among themselves, the complexion of the rightful government, is evidence of competency. But the question is now and remains: WHEN will the Hostile Arab Palestinian decide to "live at peace with their neighbours?" That can only be answered (in the positive) when the HoAP sits down and, in good faith, negotiates a peace. It can be answered (in the negative) each time they commit violence.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that HAMAS is a terrorist supporting government is only evidence...

They are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the liars in the "west."

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arafat was appointed by the AL. His election in '96 was against 73 yr old grandmother.
Abbas was appointed after Arafat's death till elections 2005

Arafat was appointed the president of Palestine and was officially elected in 1996 for the interim period.

In 2002 Arafat signed into law the Basic Law (constitution) and it was amended in 2003 to create the position of prime minister. The cabinet ministers, who were under the president, were now under the prime minister.

Upon Arafat's death, the constitution kicked in stating that the speaker of parliament shall temporarily assume the office of president and call for an election within 60 days. Arafat died November 11, 2004 and Abbas was elected president for a four year term on January 9, 2005.

The speaker of the Palestinian parliament, Rawhi Fattuh, will be sworn in as Palestinian Authority president on an interim basis at noon (5 a.m. ET), according to Palestinian officials.

Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Sha'ath said Fattuh's first order of duty will be to "declare free and open public elections within 60 days."

CNN.com - Palestinian leader Arafat dies at 75 - Nov 11, 2004

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009. The constitution should have kicked in again to elect a new president. Abbas refuses to step down and let constitutional procedures to follow their course. He is preventing elections from taking place.

Then who would negotiate with Israel on peace as hamas is a terrorist organisation and as such any members risk arrest and trial if they set foot outside of gaza. Would leave your Palestinians in a right mess wouldn't it, and this is what comes of electing a proscribed terrorist organisation to power

Negotiate?

The Palestinians have given up on that farce.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

What is your position?

What effects policies, views, or actions that harm or discriminate against Jews (anti-Semitism) is an attempt to influence a person's beliefs, attitudes, intentions, motivations, or behaviors relative to Jews (not Israelis).

My issues have nothing to do with Judaism.

I could care less how people worship, or what name they call God.

My issues, are with Israeli's. The Israeli right, to be more specific.

I fully support the Israeli left.

The Israeli right, can GFT's.

(QUESTIONs)

• What is it to be at issue with "The Israeli right?"
• What is "The Israeli right?"

Are we talking about "specifics" of the politics that dominate political parties? Support for conservative causes? Or are we specific in addressing "construction freeze in West Bank settlements?" What specifically?

(COMMENT)

The label itself doesn't mean anything to me.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Billo_Really, et al,

What is your position?

What effects policies, views, or actions that harm or discriminate against Jews (anti-Semitism) is an attempt to influence a person's beliefs, attitudes, intentions, motivations, or behaviors relative to Jews (not Israelis).

My issues have nothing to do with Judaism.

I could care less how people worship, or what name they call God.

My issues, are with Israeli's. The Israeli right, to be more specific.

I fully support the Israeli left.

The Israeli right, can GFT's.

(QUESTIONs)

• What is it to be at issue with "The Israeli right?"
• What is "The Israeli right?"

Are we talking about "specifics" of the politics that dominate political parties? Support for conservative causes? Or are we specific in addressing "construction freeze in West Bank settlements?" What specifically?

(COMMENT)

The label itself doesn't mean anything to me.

Most Respectfully,
R

It doesn't matter. The right and left both steal Palestinian land.

Wasn't it the lefties who gave us Cast Lead.

Scum on both sides.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Whatever the situation may be, the fact of the matter is, that the people and the government of Palestine is not capable of establishing self-governing institutions that actually work.

Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009. The constitution should have kicked in again to elect a new president. Abbas refuses to step down and let constitutional procedures to follow their course. He is preventing elections from taking place.

(COMMENT)

This is the "demonstrated" inability of the Palestinian People to manage their own house. No matter what the ground truth may be, the fault lies in their inability to sustain a functional government under their own constitution.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not when assholes with guns and money install a dictatorship.

Do you mean like when the arab league did this ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The BDS is merely a protest.

That is Israel's question.

With the help of BDS and others, other questions are taking over.

Israel does not like this change of debate.

(QUESTIONS)

What is the new question? How has the debate changes?

(COMMENT)

The cornerstone issue has been and continues to be, WHEN will the Hostile Arab Palestinian decide to "live at peace with their neighbours" (a A/RES/194 requirement)? The fact that HAMAS is a terrorist supporting government is only evidence that the government itself is both criminal in nature and relies on threats of violence and violence in the furtherance of it agenda. The fact that the Palestinian cannot determine among themselves, the complexion of the rightful government, is evidence of competency. But the question is now and remains: WHEN will the Hostile Arab Palestinian decide to "live at peace with their neighbours?" That can only be answered (in the positive) when the HoAP sits down and, in good faith, negotiates a peace. It can be answered (in the negative) each time they commit violence.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that HAMAS is a terrorist supporting government is only evidence...

They are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the liars in the "west."

Ask all the fatah supporters who faced hamas terrorism as soon as they took over. Children shot multiple times, children thrown of high buildings, men dragged through the streets of gaza behind speeding cars. Families beaten and females gang raped by hamas members. Very much terrorism in their eyes wouldn't you say

 

[Phoenall]

Arafat was appointed the president of Palestine and was officially elected in 1996 for the interim period.

In 2002 Arafat signed into law the Basic Law (constitution) and it was amended in 2003 to create the position of prime minister. The cabinet ministers, who were under the president, were now under the prime minister.

Upon Arafat's death, the constitution kicked in stating that the speaker of parliament shall temporarily assume the office of president and call for an election within 60 days. Arafat died November 11, 2004 and Abbas was elected president for a four year term on January 9, 2005.



Abbas's term in office expired January 9, 2009. The constitution should have kicked in again to elect a new president. Abbas refuses to step down and let constitutional procedures to follow their course. He is preventing elections from taking place.

Then who would negotiate with Israel on peace as hamas is a terrorist organisation and as such any members risk arrest and trial if they set foot outside of gaza. Would leave your Palestinians in a right mess wouldn't it, and this is what comes of electing a proscribed terrorist organisation to power

Negotiate?

The Palestinians have given up on that farce.

Have they ever tried to negotiate in the last 65 years, or have they just demanded and made war ?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The BDS is merely a protest.

That is Israel's question.

With the help of BDS and others, other questions are taking over.

Israel does not like this change of debate.

(QUESTIONS)

What is the new question? How has the debate changes?

(COMMENT)

The cornerstone issue has been and continues to be, WHEN will the Hostile Arab Palestinian decide to "live at peace with their neighbours" (a A/RES/194 requirement)? The fact that HAMAS is a terrorist supporting government is only evidence that the government itself is both criminal in nature and relies on threats of violence and violence in the furtherance of it agenda. The fact that the Palestinian cannot determine among themselves, the complexion of the rightful government, is evidence of competency. But the question is now and remains: WHEN will the Hostile Arab Palestinian decide to "live at peace with their neighbours?" That can only be answered (in the positive) when the HoAP sits down and, in good faith, negotiates a peace. It can be answered (in the negative) each time they commit violence.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that HAMAS is a terrorist supporting government is only evidence...

They are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the liars in the "west."

Hamas is the government in Gaza, not 'Palestine'

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The BDS is merely a protest.


(QUESTIONS)

What is the new question? How has the debate changes?

(COMMENT)

The cornerstone issue has been and continues to be, WHEN will the Hostile Arab Palestinian decide to "live at peace with their neighbours" (a A/RES/194 requirement)? The fact that HAMAS is a terrorist supporting government is only evidence that the government itself is both criminal in nature and relies on threats of violence and violence in the furtherance of it agenda. The fact that the Palestinian cannot determine among themselves, the complexion of the rightful government, is evidence of competency. But the question is now and remains: WHEN will the Hostile Arab Palestinian decide to "live at peace with their neighbours?" That can only be answered (in the positive) when the HoAP sits down and, in good faith, negotiates a peace. It can be answered (in the negative) each time they commit violence.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that HAMAS is a terrorist supporting government is only evidence...

They are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the liars in the "west."

Hamas is the government in Gaza, not 'Palestine'

Hamas was elected in all of Palestine not just in Gaza.

 

[Phoenall]

They are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the liars in the "west."

Hamas is the government in Gaza, not 'Palestine'

Hamas was elected in all of Palestine not just in Gaza.

So9 they won every seat, or did they only win some of them ?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is an interesting string.

They are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the liars in the "west."

Hamas is the government in Gaza, not 'Palestine'

Hamas was elected in all of Palestine not just in Gaza.

(COMMENT)

Terrorism:

Yes, historically, HAMAS is a Jihadist supporting political party; an entity which has a criminal history of past behavior in organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating hostile activities intended to be committed against other States or their citizens. By any other name --- "terrorists."

There is no grievance, no goal, no cause, and no claim that HAMAS can make --- to justify this action. There is no special authority HAMAS can site to justify their past criminal behaviors or to support their perceived right in their "liberation of their homeland" by armed struggle; by any means.​

Ruling Party:

As far as the elections go, I thought the last elections (2005) were not in Hamas favor, and that after the Palestinian Civil War that started in 2006, HAMAS formed a government ruling the Gaza Strip without elections; which is the government that is still in power today in Gaza. (I could be wrong, it makes no difference.) No matter how you view the outcome, the 2005 election effort (nine years past) has been overtaken by events.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

They are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the liars in the "west."

Hamas is the government in Gaza, not 'Palestine'

Hamas was elected in all of Palestine not just in Gaza.

Here is the result so hardly ALL OF PALESTINE


Palestinian voters had two votes, one for their favorite political party (the proportional vote) and another for individual candidates in winner-take-all districts where the highest vote-getters win. In the proportional vote, which is a national vote and therefore the best measure of the overall support for each political party, Hamas won about 45 percent of the popular vote and about the same percentage of seats — 30 of 66, not a majority. The incumbent party, Fatah, won about 41 percent of the popular vote and 27 of 66 seats, only three seats behind Hamas.

 

[aris2chat]

They are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the liars in the "west."

Hamas is the government in Gaza, not 'Palestine'

Hamas was elected in all of Palestine not just in Gaza.

Voting was for local redistricting seat for representatives. Think congress.
Congressmen are not elected by the whole US population, only by the district within the state.
Populous vote, between the parties, Fatah won the most votes (3 to 1 margin?). Each district had several Fatah candidates running and where Hamas ran, there was usually only one Hamas candidate. Pie got cut too thin between all those running, leaving the one hamas candidate with the largest piece. Hamas did not run in all districts, only those where they had a power base.