Israeli blockade of Gaza caused Oct 7th

[AzogtheDefiler]

You have no argument, troll. That's why you post stupid memes.

The memes contain the argument, fatty

 

[toomuchtime_]

That is correct! That is how you treat them. But that is not what they want. All the Palestinians want, is freedom!

The Palestinians say what they want is all of Israel and they will continue to attack Israel until it is gone. None of this was ever about the Palestinians being denied rights; it has always been about the Palestinians aspiring to deny equal rights to Jews. Muslims had successfully denied equal rights to Jews since the 7th century and after the Europeans arrived after WWI, they sought to continue to deny equal rights to the Jews who settled in Palestine and are continuing to try despite the fact it is now impossible.

"From the early years of Islamic civilization, Muslim jurists, basing on Qur’anic directives, devised an elaborate hierarchy in which monotheistic non-Muslims, such as Christians and Jews, would be “protected” at a low level and tolerated as second-class citizens. Guidelines for their treatment were embodied in the “Pact of ‘Umar.” Limitations on the status of non-Muslims included discriminatory clothing regulations and occupational restrictions. Non-Muslims were required to pay a poll tax (jizya) as well as discriminatory taxes on agricultural produce."

“Ornament of the World” and the Jews of Spain

At times tolerant, at other times intensely intolerant, Spain’s intergroup relations formed a fragile coexistence of Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Although often tenuous, the coexistence of diverse languages, peoples, and religions produced an extraordinary symbiosis and distinctive...

www.neh.gov

The only right the Palestinians are fighting for is the right to oppress Jews, which Muslims have done since the 7th century.

 

[Shusha]

Goddammit, fuck you! I mean it! FUCK YOU!

Gaza is a prison, mother-fucker! Gazan's cannot leave the area without Israeli permission.

THAT IS NOT FREE, YOU FUCKING GODDAMN PIECE OF SHIT!

It is very curious that a simple request for information and for understanding your point of view elicits such a strong and incoherent response. You appear to use rage as a diversion when you are unable or unwilling to have a respectful conversation based on facts.

The people of Gaza can (and do) leave and return to Gaza. They travel on passports issued by the Palestinian Authority. They may exit through Israel or through Egypt.

The principles of international travel are not special or unique for the people of Gaza. Every citizen of every nation in the world is a "prisoner" of their own country in the sense that every citizen of every nation needs the permission of the state they want to enter, in order to enter a state not their own. There is no inherent "right" to enter another state without their permission.

Now, the citizens of some states can travel rather easily as there are many states in the world which give permission rather automatically. As a Canadian, I can travel to 124 different countries without needing a visa to enter, and to 50 more where I can obtain a visa on arrival. There are only 24 countries I can not travel to without a visa supplied in advance by the host country. The mobility of citizens varies from 180 visa-free host states (for citizens of UAE) to only 40 visa-free host states (for citizens of Syria). Source. There is nothing special about Gaza.

Now, you might want to try arguing that Gaza has neither an airport nor a seaport, and that if they had those things, travel might be easier for them. In which case, I agree. However, both airport and seaport carry serious security concerns for Israel, under the current conditions of a state of war. The difference of opinion we have is that you believe Gaza committing violent atrocities on Israel will somehow alleviate those security concerns and end the state of war, while I believe the state of war will continue as long as violence is perpetrated against Israel. If the people of Gaza want an airport and a seaport, they should end the state of war with Israel, agree to a peace treaty, and start investing in peaceful cooperation with the neighbors.

 

[sparky]

That’s all I need.

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Is there a reason for this beyond racism or religion Az ?

~S~

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Is there a reason for this beyond racism or religion Az ?

~S~

No. Islam is an ideology of hatred and must be stopped at all costs

 

[sparky]

No. Islam is an ideology of hatred and just be stopped at all costs

W said they hate us for our freedoms Az

but why would anyone 1/2 a planet away care?

~S~

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

W said they hate us for our freedoms Az

but why would anyone 1/2 a planet away care?

~S~

Because to them we are infidels

 

[toomuchtime_]

Goddammit, fuck you! I mean it! FUCK YOU!

Gaza is a prison, mother-fucker! Gazan's cannot leave the area without Israeli permission.

THAT IS NOT FREE, YOU FUCKING GODDAMN PIECE OF SHIT!

Bullshit. Of course they could leave and of course they could return, but they could not enter Israel without Israeli permission. There was no foundation in fact or logic for calling Gaza a prison.

 

[Shusha]

Now, Billo_Really, if you want to talk about people who are actually severely limited in their travel ("open air prison" in your parlance), why don't we discuss those Arabs who are stateless because Palestine refuses to recognize (or grant) their Palestinian citizenship?

 

[Billo_Really]

It is very curious that a simple request for information and for understanding your point of view elicits such a strong and incoherent response. You appear to use rage as a diversion when you are unable or unwilling to have a respectful conversation based on facts.

The people of Gaza can (and do) leave and return to Gaza. They travel on passports issued by the Palestinian Authority. They may exit through Israel or through Egypt.

The principles of international travel are not special or unique for the people of Gaza. Every citizen of every nation in the world is a "prisoner" of their own country in the sense that every citizen of every nation needs the permission of the state they want to enter, in order to enter a state not their own. There is no inherent "right" to enter another state without their permission.

Now, the citizens of some states can travel rather easily as there are many states in the world which give permission rather automatically. As a Canadian, I can travel to 124 different countries without needing a visa to enter, and to 50 more where I can obtain a visa on arrival. There are only 24 countries I can not travel to without a visa supplied in advance by the host country. The mobility of citizens varies from 180 visa-free host states (for citizens of UAE) to only 40 visa-free host states (for citizens of Syria). Source. There is nothing special about Gaza.

Now, you might want to try arguing that Gaza has neither an airport nor a seaport, and that if they had those things, travel might be easier for them. In which case, I agree. However, both airport and seaport carry serious security concerns for Israel, under the current conditions of a state of war. The difference of opinion we have is that you believe Gaza committing violent atrocities on Israel will somehow alleviate those security concerns and end the state of war, while I believe the state of war will continue as long as violence is perpetrated against Israel. If the people of Gaza want an airport and a seaport, they should end the state of war with Israel, agree to a peace treaty, and start investing in peaceful cooperation with the neighbors.

I get mad when people deliberately look me in the eye and try to tell me the emporer has new clothes! That's exactly what you are trying to do now.

You are a fucking liar! Gaza is a prison. They can't even fish or farm without you shooting at them. Vou ask for facts, but you don't want them.

Here's a fact, you just got done bombing another hospital. You fucking dropped 100 bombs on the Kamal Adwan Hospital, yet bitch to me about my profanity?

Taking out a hospitals water, oxygen and electricity, is much more profane than the f-word. But go ahead, defend the bombing? Tell us why God chose you to murder Palestinians?

'A Critical Situation': Gaza Doctor Warns of Catastrophe as Israel Assails Hospital | Common Dreams

"We have called on the world to protect both the healthcare system and its workers, yet we have not received any response from anyone globally," said the director of Kamal Adwan Hospital.

www.commondreams.org

 

[Billo_Really]

Now, Billo_Really, if you want to talk about people who are actually severely limited in their travel ("open air prison" in your parlance), why don't we discuss those Arabs who are stateless because Palestine refuses to recognize (or grant) their Palestinian citizenship?

Shut up! Nobody wants to hear your lying bullshit! Gaza is a prison!

Gaza: Israel’s ‘Open-Air Prison’ at 15

Israel’s sweeping restrictions on leaving Gaza deprive its more than two million residents of opportunities to better their lives.

www.hrw.org

 

[Mac-7]

Maybe the IDF can come up with a reservation system for them.

They say Antartica is lovely this time of the year

We could settle them with homeless drug addicts, and illegal aliens from America

 

[1srelluc]

They say Antartica is lovely this time of the year

We could settle them with homeless drug addicts, and illegal aliens from America

And dems.

 

[Billo_Really]

Shut the fuck up, liar!

If Gazan's can leave by sea, then why can't any humanitarian vessels reach Gaza without being attacked ( and turned away) by the IDF?

Care to answer that, fuckhead?

 

[Mac-7]

Shut the fuck up, liar!

If Gazan's can leave by sea, then why can't any humanitarian vessels reach Gaza without being attacked ( and turned away) by the IDF?

Care to answer that, fuckhead?

Your language reveals you as a low class and uneducated person

Dont waste our time with your personal insults

 

[1srelluc]

Shut the fuck up, liar!

If Gazan's can leave by sea, then why can't any humanitarian vessels reach Gaza without being attacked ( and turned away) by the IDF?

Care to answer that, fuckhead?

You mean the ones loaded with weapons and explosives? Those "humanitarian vessels".

It goes against my better judgement to do anything but eradicate the Palis root and stem but here you go:

The first ship to use a new sea route delivers aid to Gaza, Israeli miliary says

A ship using a new sea route delivered 200 tons of humanitarian supplies, food and water to Gaza on Friday, the Israeli military said.

apnews.com

 

[Billo_Really]

Your language reveals you as a low class and uneducated person

Dont waste our time with your personal insults

They murdered 45,000 people, yet you're upset with me over the use of the f-word?

 

[Billo_Really]

You mean the ones loaded with weapons and explosives? Those "humanitarian vessels".

It goes against my better judgement to do anything but eradicate the Palis root and stem but here you go:

The first ship to use a new sea route delivers aid to Gaza, Israeli miliary says

A ship using a new sea route delivered 200 tons of humanitarian supplies, food and water to Gaza on Friday, the Israeli military said.

apnews.com

There were no weapons on those ships, asshole! And they murdered a US citizen on board the Mavi Marmara!

Fuck Israel and fuck you!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I get mad when people deliberately look me in the eye and try to tell me the emporer has new clothes! That's exactly what you are trying to do now.

You are a fucking liar! Gaza is a prison. They can't even fish or farm without you shooting at them. Vou ask for facts, but you don't want them.

Here's a fact, you just got done bombing another hospital. You fucking dropped 100 bombs on the Kamal Adwan Hospital, yet bitch to me about my profanity?

Taking out a hospitals water, oxygen and electricity, is much more profane than the f-word. But go ahead, defend the bombing? Tell us why God chose you to murder Palestinians?

'A Critical Situation': Gaza Doctor Warns of Catastrophe as Israel Assails Hospital | Common Dreams

"We have called on the world to protect both the healthcare system and its workers, yet we have not received any response from anyone globally," said the director of Kamal Adwan Hospital.

www.commondreams.org

 

[Mac-7]

They murdered 45,000 people, yet you're upset with me over the use of the f-word?

Murder is the wrong word

The Allies killed far more than 45,000 civilians in Nazi Germany alone during the bombing campaign of WWII

But it wasnt murder then or now