Israeli Army Forces Enter Gaza, Open Fire On Palestinian Farmers

[montelatici]

Yes, the Australians in Palistan have the same rights as other Australians.

Excellent! Then palistanians should move to Australia!

The Palistanians already live in Palistan, NSW what are you on about?

 

[montelatici]

The Nazis referred to the Jews as rodents too. I see where you are coming from, you are a latter day Nazi, reveling in the murder of hundreds of Palestinian children by the Zionazis. To you they are rodents anyway. You are disgusting.

Hilarious drivel!

Just fact bozo.

 

[Andylusion]

No the worms are still here, but no one gives a crap about them anymore.

You don't really set the bar all that high, so you're no one to talk about how low others are.

I consider people who think nothing of firing shots at people fishing and farming, a lot lower than worms and rodents.

Yes, because I would die protecting my children, while you and those you defend strap bombs to your kids. You have no credibility. Thus, your accusations have no credibility, which is why none of us care what you think. Have a nice day.

 

[Andylusion]

The Nazis referred to the Jews as rodents too. I see where you are coming from, you are a latter day Nazi, reveling in the murder of hundreds of Palestinian children by the Zionazis. To you they are rodents anyway. You are disgusting.

Hilarious drivel!

Just fact bozo.

"Just fact" from the guy supporting people who strap bombs to their own kids. What a joke. You couldn't speak about facts, if someone slapped a bomb belt on your kid.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The was asked already; I refer you back to your Post #141. It was answered in my Post #146.

montelatici, et al,

Well, you make a stab at it --- but, unpersuasive and often misinterpreted in both fact and relevance.

Keep it up. the more I get to post the fact and the source document the more thinking people will begin to realize that almost everything the believe is Israeli propaganda.

(COMMENT)

Most of the time, you keep reaching back to an era of more than half a century ago; much like our friend P F Tinmore. In your most recent posts, you've reached back even a century ago. For whatever that is worth, you don't think like the key decision makers of that time period. Yes! there are documents that present opposing views. But in the end, the convening authority (the League of Nations and the successor United Nations) made a series of decisions that lead to the Partition of the the former Mandate [GA/RES/181(II)]. And, the convening authority understood the complaints and issues of both sides of the equation (Israeli-Palestinian) of the day. They were painfully clear. All that is important from that decision is --- the Arab Palestinian did everything it could to undermine that decision.

No matter what you post today, about your interpretation of what happened 5, 8, or 10 Generations ago, what is important is what is happening today and the character of the Palestinian today. And you must remember, just as HAMAS insists, that Arab Palestinian can not focus on accepted concepts of Universal Human Rights.

Most Respectfully,
R

When did the Palestinian's inalienable rights expire?

Give me a date.

(COMMENT)

As previously explained, the fruit from an "inalienable right" does not expire --- an "inalienable right" is "condiciones sine quibus non;" that is --- you must exercise it before you reap the benefits. And if the "right" is abandon or substituted for something else, it has no redeeming quality --- as it is incapable of being surrendered or transferred. It is always there.

In the case of the contemporary Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), the "right of self-determination" (meaning sovereignty and independence) was abandon and/or rejected relative to several offerings prior to 1948, rejected in 1948, exercised in 1950 relative to the West Bank, and again exercised in 1988 relative to the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Elements of the HoAP (like HAMAS and components of the Fedayeen) have steadfastly rejected the sole representative of the Palestinian People by claiming that the Arab Palestinian has the absolute right to all of the Territory, formerly under the Mandate [less Jordan, excluding the two attempts (1970) by Fedayeen extremist elements to assassinate HM The King and perpetrating a series of spectacular hijackings that set the integrity and character of the HoAP regionally]. This claim still, documented in the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the HAMAS Covenant, and the HAMAS Policy Paper or 2013, still has an after glow; in which the HoAP still articulates the demand over the territory and has chosen attainment through means other than negotiation in good faith. The chosen path is to undermine the will of the General Assembly and to attain monetary rewards for the leadership (thru graft and corruption). In most recent times, the Government of the State of Palestine has substituted true sovereignty and independence with the continuation of armed struggle.

HAMAS POLICY POINT #5: Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

Yes, because I would die protecting my children, while you and those you defend strap bombs to your kids. You have no credibility. Thus, your accusations have no credibility, which is why none of us care what you think. Have a nice day.

You can't protect anything, if you're un-willing to deal with reality on its own terms. And making shit up about me, or trying to speak for others, is NOT dealing with reality.

Do you think it's okay to shoot people farming? Yes or No?

 

[P F Tinmore]

In the case of the contemporary Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), the "right of self-determination" (meaning sovereignty and independence) was abandon and/or rejected relative to several offerings prior to 1948,

When were the Palestinians offered:

The right to self determination without external interference.

The right to independence and sovereignty.

The right to territorial integrity.​

Prior to 1948, or ever?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Relative to an "inalienable right" --- it is never "offered." It is either "used" or "not used" --- "exercised" or "not exercised." It is a right exclusive --- "conditio sine qua non" --- "self determination without external interference" (independence and sovereignty) can not have happened unless the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) exercise the right first.

In the case of the contemporary Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), the "right of self-determination" (meaning sovereignty and independence) was abandon and/or rejected relative to several offerings prior to 1948,

When were the Palestinians offered:

The right to self determination without external interference.

The right to independence and sovereignty.

The right to territorial integrity.​

Prior to 1948, or ever?

(COMMENT)

As America has experienced many times (most recently in Afghanistan and Iraq), no one can hand any culture or people "independence and sovereignty" unless they are willing to make the effort to sustain it and maintain it. The HoAP have never been able to establish independence (the ability to stand alone) --- and --- sustain it and maintain it (not for more than a thousand years). At the rate they are progressing, we will not see that in my lifetime.

When were the Palestinians offered their "rights?" Never! They always had them --- never lost them. They never developed to that point in their culture that they understood how to apply it; just as today - they do not understand the importance of the progressive development and codification of the principles of international law concerning friendly relations and co-operation among States. And in their child-like frustration to apply them they morphed into the HoAP.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[docmauser1]

Yes, the Australians in Palistan have the same rights as other Australians.

Excellent! Then palistanians should move to Australia!

The Palistanians already live in Palistan, NSW what are you on about?

Then what are they doing in palistan?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Relative to an "inalienable right" --- it is never "offered." It is either "used" or "not used" --- "exercised" or "not exercised." It is a right exclusive --- "conditio sine qua non" --- "self determination without external interference" (independence and sovereignty) can not have happened unless the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) exercise the right first.

In the case of the contemporary Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), the "right of self-determination" (meaning sovereignty and independence) was abandon and/or rejected relative to several offerings prior to 1948,

When were the Palestinians offered:

The right to self determination without external interference.

The right to independence and sovereignty.

The right to territorial integrity.​

Prior to 1948, or ever?

(COMMENT)

As America has experienced many times (most recently in Afghanistan and Iraq), no one can hand any culture or people "independence and sovereignty" unless they are willing to make the effort to sustain it and maintain it. The HoAP have never been able to establish independence (the ability to stand alone) --- and --- sustain it and maintain it (not for more than a thousand years). At the rate they are progressing, we will not see that in my lifetime.

When were the Palestinians offered their "rights?" Never! They always had them --- never lost them. They never developed to that point in their culture that they understood how to apply it; just as today - they do not understand the importance of the progressive development and codification of the principles of international law concerning friendly relations and co-operation among States. And in their child-like frustration to apply them they morphed into the HoAP.

Most Respectfully,
R

People under occupation find it difficult to exercise their rights.

Unfortunately, Palestine was born under occupation and has been occupied ever since.

 

[docmauser1]

The Nazis referred to the Jews as rodents too. I see where you are coming from, you are a latter day Nazi, reveling in the murder of hundreds of Palestinian children by the Zionazis. To you they are rodents anyway. You are disgusting.

Hilarious drivel!

Just fact bozo.

Doc's bozo's name's just drivel, not fact, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

Do you think it's okay to shoot people farming? Yes or No?

Depends on the "farming" activity, of course. If it's "planting" IEDs, it may get a "famer" all shot up!

 

[docmauser1]

People under occupation find it difficult to exercise their rights.

Well, palistanians should change their occupation, then!

Unfortunately, Palestine was born under occupation and has been occupied ever since.

What a sorry occupation palistanians have to occupy themselves with!

 

[MaryL]

3 thousand innocent Americans died on 9/11. Muslim terrorists put on masks and slice off heads. Muslim extremists hide in civilian neighborhoods like the cynical coward psychopaths they are. They launch rockets into Israel like cowardly vandals and run and hide among their wives, children and friends. Pathetic losers. And then the inevitable happens, innocent people get killed, Muslims use that for propaganda. Cry me a river. none of this woe and misery would happen if Muslims would ferret out their own bad actors and...and end this mess.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Not "when" ---- but "how many times?"

P F Tinmore, et al,

Relative to an "inalienable right" --- it is never "offered." It is either "used" or "not used" --- "exercised" or "not exercised." It is a right exclusive --- "conditio sine qua non" --- "self determination without external interference" (independence and sovereignty) can not have happened unless the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) exercise the right first.

In the case of the contemporary Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), the "right of self-determination" (meaning sovereignty and independence) was abandon and/or rejected relative to several offerings prior to 1948,

When were the Palestinians offered:

The right to self determination without external interference.

The right to independence and sovereignty.

The right to territorial integrity.​

Prior to 1948, or ever?

(COMMENT)

As America has experienced many times (most recently in Afghanistan and Iraq), no one can hand any culture or people "independence and sovereignty" unless they are willing to make the effort to sustain it and maintain it. The HoAP have never been able to establish independence (the ability to stand alone) --- and --- sustain it and maintain it (not for more than a thousand years). At the rate they are progressing, we will not see that in my lifetime.

When were the Palestinians offered their "rights?" Never! They always had them --- never lost them. They never developed to that point in their culture that they understood how to apply it; just as today - they do not understand the importance of the progressive development and codification of the principles of international law concerning friendly relations and co-operation among States. And in their child-like frustration to apply them they morphed into the HoAP.

Most Respectfully,
R

People under occupation find it difficult to exercise their rights.

Unfortunately, Palestine was born under occupation and has been occupied ever since.

(OBSERVATION)

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

• 
  “The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”

SOURCE: A/AC.14/8 2 October 1947

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian shot themselves in the foot several times.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”.

That would legitimize the foreign Jewish Agency.

The Palestinians were not going to play that game.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Not "when" ---- but "how many times?"

P F Tinmore, et al,

Relative to an "inalienable right" --- it is never "offered." It is either "used" or "not used" --- "exercised" or "not exercised." It is a right exclusive --- "conditio sine qua non" --- "self determination without external interference" (independence and sovereignty) can not have happened unless the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) exercise the right first.

In the case of the contemporary Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), the "right of self-determination" (meaning sovereignty and independence) was abandon and/or rejected relative to several offerings prior to 1948,

When were the Palestinians offered:

The right to self determination without external interference.

The right to independence and sovereignty.

The right to territorial integrity.​

Prior to 1948, or ever?

(COMMENT)

As America has experienced many times (most recently in Afghanistan and Iraq), no one can hand any culture or people "independence and sovereignty" unless they are willing to make the effort to sustain it and maintain it. The HoAP have never been able to establish independence (the ability to stand alone) --- and --- sustain it and maintain it (not for more than a thousand years). At the rate they are progressing, we will not see that in my lifetime.

When were the Palestinians offered their "rights?" Never! They always had them --- never lost them. They never developed to that point in their culture that they understood how to apply it; just as today - they do not understand the importance of the progressive development and codification of the principles of international law concerning friendly relations and co-operation among States. And in their child-like frustration to apply them they morphed into the HoAP.

Most Respectfully,
R

People under occupation find it difficult to exercise their rights.

Unfortunately, Palestine was born under occupation and has been occupied ever since.

(OBSERVATION)

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

• 
  “The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”

SOURCE: A/AC.14/8 2 October 1947

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian shot themselves in the foot several times.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nice duck of the question:

When were the Palestinians offered:
The right to self determination without external interference.

The right to independence and sovereignty.

The right to territorial integrity.

Prior to 1948, or ever?

 

[docmauser1]

... The Arab Palestinian shot themselves in the foot several times. ...

I strongly suspect it was another part of their anatomy.

 

[docmauser1]

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”.

That would legitimize the foreign Jewish Agency. The Palestinians were not going to play that game.

An instance, when their "palistanian" "right" was not exercised by a self-shot in a part of their anatomy, other than the foot.

 

[docmauser1]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Not "when" ---- but "how many times?"

P F Tinmore, et al,

Relative to an "inalienable right" --- it is never "offered." It is either "used" or "not used" --- "exercised" or "not exercised." It is a right exclusive --- "conditio sine qua non" --- "self determination without external interference" (independence and sovereignty) can not have happened unless the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) exercise the right first.

In the case of the contemporary Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), the "right of self-determination" (meaning sovereignty and independence) was abandon and/or rejected relative to several offerings prior to 1948,

When were the Palestinians offered:

The right to self determination without external interference.

The right to independence and sovereignty.

The right to territorial integrity.​

Prior to 1948, or ever?

(COMMENT)

As America has experienced many times (most recently in Afghanistan and Iraq), no one can hand any culture or people "independence and sovereignty" unless they are willing to make the effort to sustain it and maintain it. The HoAP have never been able to establish independence (the ability to stand alone) --- and --- sustain it and maintain it (not for more than a thousand years). At the rate they are progressing, we will not see that in my lifetime.

When were the Palestinians offered their "rights?" Never! They always had them --- never lost them. They never developed to that point in their culture that they understood how to apply it; just as today - they do not understand the importance of the progressive development and codification of the principles of international law concerning friendly relations and co-operation among States. And in their child-like frustration to apply them they morphed into the HoAP.

Most Respectfully,
R

People under occupation find it difficult to exercise their rights.

Unfortunately, Palestine was born under occupation and has been occupied ever since.

(OBSERVATION)

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

• 
  “The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”

SOURCE: A/AC.14/8 2 October 1947

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian shot themselves in the foot several times.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nice duck of the question:

When were the Palestinians offered:
The right to self determination without external interference.

The right to independence and sovereignty.

The right to territorial integrity.

Prior to 1948, or ever?

But our honorable P F Tinmore claimed that, arabs did have those "inalienable" rights! Those Schrödinger's palistanians, having rights and not having them altogether, genocided and not genocided, etc., existing in some zombie state!