Israeli Army Forces Enter Gaza, Open Fire On Palestinian Farmers

[Phoenall]

One needs to be able to understand Pally-talk in order to get the full gist of threads such as these.

Here are some Palestinian "farmers"

These, however, are Palestinian "fishermen"

and should you ever wonder what is meant by "children throwing rocks"....

any questions?

Nice try.

Here's the IDF shooting at Palestinian farmers.




Here's the IDF shooting at Palestinian fishermen.




You've got to be really sick in the head, to do something like this.

You have to be obsessed and completely brainwashed to not see there is no validity in either of these films as they do not show what they claim.

In the first one the birds are not frightened by the LOUD explosions supposedly coming from assault rifles, followed by the crack of a pistol. Badly dubbed and even more badly edited to show nothing.
The second shows a Palestinian boat leaving the fishing zone and having warning shots fired into the water to force it back inside the area. They know the rules and will stretch them as far as they can, then claim they were doing nothing wrong. Did you see the coarse cargo net they were using, no good for catching fish but acceptable for snagging boxes dropped in the shallow water.

In full screen, you can see plenty of startled birds close to where the fire was coming from so you are clearly watching some other video. As for the bird in the foreground, who knows why it wasn't startled, but that's not a unknown phenomenon. I've seen sheep quietly carry on munching grass when on the recieving end of 30mm HE rounds, even when one of their number gets blown to pieces, wierd, but true.

As for the fishermen, the fishing nets look a standard size to me and "the rules" give them rights to fish up to 20 nautical miles until the Zionist seige. Fishermen don't get killed by "warning shots"

Then explain the one stood on a rock that does not even flinch when the first rounds are heard. No muzzle flashes from the direction of the vehicles to show that the people there had fired any weapons. And if you look even closer all the alleged IDF soldiers are behind the rear vehicles side panels as at least 6 rounds are fired

Then you know nothing about fishing in the Med or anywhere else. The nets were of a coarse rope material not monofilament as is usual ( 100 metres of mono gill net costs about £100 sterling, 100 metres of coarse cargo net costs about £1,000 STERLING ) The net seen is cargo netting and is only small, so no good for catching fish but fine for catching boxes of weapons or ammunition.
The rules go out the window when you engage in terrorist activities and then you are placed behind a wall. The shots are seen very clearly to hit the water, and no one was injured in the video if you look


The nets in pictures

 

[Phoenall]

"Probably because you're full of it."

He sure is. I caught him out heavy just a while ago. I have been posting actual population numbers and migration numbers from the UN archives as reported by the Mandatory. In the 1921 Report it shows that Muslims are 4/5s of the population and that there are a few more Christians than Jews, who represent around 5% of the population. So this Bozo Docmauser shoots off his mouth, without reading the report, and does the usual Zionist Jordan is part of Palestine thing and that the Muslims in Jordan were included in the population of Palestine. Little did he know that Trans-Jordan was considered a separate territory and the population of Jordon (350,000) was discussed in that separate section of the Report. What a clown.

That was later shown to be false information produced by bribed interviewers. Now about table 1 again, why have you stopped using it and why have you stopped giving the link ?

 

[Phoenall]

The words of an ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATING committee in the pay of arab muslims as you have been told before. Not everything in the UN archives is the truth you know, and many items are shown to be thus. This is one of those documents that was later shown to be false. By repeatedly referring to it shows that you have no interest in the truth and just in your ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA

It was never shown to be false, liar. You just can't take the truth.

The title alone shows it to be false dimwit, as an interim report is one that is presented without being verified so has no validity.

Interim means an interim period of the Mandate you idiot. There are interim reports for various years of the Mandate. Sheesh, you are truly one stupid poster.

NOPE Mohamed it is an INTERIM REPORT outside of the usual ANNUAL REPORTS


interim
[in-ter-uh m] /ˈɪn tər əm/ Spell Syllables

• Examples
• Word Origin

noun
1.
an intervening time; interval; meantime :
in the interim.
2.
a temporary or provisional arrangement; stopgap; makeshift.
3.
(initial capital letter) Church History. any of three provisional arrangements for the settlement of religious differences between German Protestants and Roman Catholics during the Reformation.
adjective
4.
for, during, belonging to, or connected with an intervening period of time; temporary; provisional:
an interim order.
adverb
5.
meantime.

Interim Define Interim at Dictionary.com

You really are a dummy. All the reports are interim as they are not the final report which would be issued at the end of the Mandate. But go ahead and continue demonstrating what a dummy you are.

So you now change your tune and state that the reports are INTERIM with all that this term contains, being temporary or provisional and are not to be used as the SINE DIE to the report.

When you talk about dummies try looking in the mirror Mohamed as there is the real dummy.

Caught out once again peddling false information and trying to pass it of as valid.

 

[Andylusion]

Jews came, bought land and developed it. They created jobs and raised the average income of the people.

Jewish people. Not the indigenous arabs who were living in that area for generations.

Jews have been living there since Ancient Israel existed. There has never, at any point, been a time in which Jews did not live in the land of Israel, since the Babylon Empire.

Jews have been there, long than any Arab, sent there by the Ottoman Empire, or transplanted peoples of Samaria.

The *ONLY* people group to have been in the land of Israel consistently for over 2000 years, is the Jews.

Further, Arabs have been slaughtered and murdering Jews in the land of Israel that entire time. Seems divine justice what is happening now.

Bullshit. Ancestors of the Palestinians, Christians and Muslims today, have lived in Palestine since before there were Jews. Their religion at the time and what they converted to has nothing to do with it. The fact is:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Which still indicates what? "Prior to 1850 there were in the country (STILL, AS THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN) a handful of Jews"

See you look at that, as if that proves Jews were not there. In reality, you proved exactly what I said. There have *ALWAYS BEEN JEWS IN ISRAEL*. >>*ALWAYS*<<

What part of that do you not get? There have *ALWAYS* been jews in Israel, since the Babylonian Empire.

Which word in that statement do you not grasp? There have.... *always* been *Jews* in *Israel* since the Babylonians.

This is not a difficult, or complex statement. It barely requires a 4th grade reading ability. And nothing you have said at any point, does anything but prove my statement true.

Would you care to continue?

 

[Andylusion]

Oh dear Rocco. You have been found out and are responding as a child would. Grow up. The Jews were the terrorists in Palestine, the local people just wanted to be left alone and did not want t be invaded by Europeans.

Oh dear Montelacrap. You have been found out, and are responding to an accurate and truthful post, as a child would, by claiming others need to grow up. There were a few specific people who acted like terrorist, which of course never happens in any other country in the world. No American has ever acted like a terrorist. Or UK, or German, or Irish, or Russian, or African... nope every other country is full of innocent angels, which is why you think you have the moral arrogance to attack one group over any other.

Montelacrap.... grow up.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

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Montelacrap.... grow up.

and while he's at it, perhaps he can start working on his issues.

Ethnic hatreds such as his stem from a profound lack of self-esteem. When worthless individuals look inside themselves and see nothing at all positive, it is all to easy for them to hate a convenient target than it is to deal with the real issue.

People who amount to something don't need that crutch.

 

[montelatici]

Jews came, bought land and developed it. They created jobs and raised the average income of the people.

Jewish people. Not the indigenous arabs who were living in that area for generations.

Jews have been living there since Ancient Israel existed. There has never, at any point, been a time in which Jews did not live in the land of Israel, since the Babylon Empire.

Jews have been there, long than any Arab, sent there by the Ottoman Empire, or transplanted peoples of Samaria.

The *ONLY* people group to have been in the land of Israel consistently for over 2000 years, is the Jews.

Further, Arabs have been slaughtered and murdering Jews in the land of Israel that entire time. Seems divine justice what is happening now.

Bullshit. Ancestors of the Palestinians, Christians and Muslims today, have lived in Palestine since before there were Jews. Their religion at the time and what they converted to has nothing to do with it. The fact is:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Which still indicates what? "Prior to 1850 there were in the country (STILL, AS THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN) a handful of Jews"

See you look at that, as if that proves Jews were not there. In reality, you proved exactly what I said. There have *ALWAYS BEEN JEWS IN ISRAEL*. >>*ALWAYS*<<

What part of that do you not get? There have *ALWAYS* been jews in Israel, since the Babylonian Empire.

Which word in that statement do you not grasp? There have.... *always* been *Jews* in *Israel* since the Babylonians.

This is not a difficult, or complex statement. It barely requires a 4th grade reading ability. And nothing you have said at any point, does anything but prove my statement true.

Would you care to continue?

So what if there have always been a few hundred Jews in Palestine there have always been a few hundred Samaritans in Palestine, so what? There have always been a few Greeks in Turkey, what claim does that give to Greeks to return to Anatolia and expel the Turks?

There had always been a handful of Germans in France, living in a small section of France called Alsace-Lorraine. Does it mean that the Germans would be justified in settling in all of France and expelling the French?

It is an easy question.

 

[montelatici]

Oh dear Rocco. You have been found out and are responding as a child would. Grow up. The Jews were the terrorists in Palestine, the local people just wanted to be left alone and did not want t be invaded by Europeans.

Oh dear Montelacrap. You have been found out, and are responding to an accurate and truthful post, as a child would, by claiming others need to grow up. There were a few specific people who acted like terrorist, which of course never happens in any other country in the world. No American has ever acted like a terrorist. Or UK, or German, or Irish, or Russian, or African... nope every other country is full of innocent angels, which is why you think you have the moral arrogance to attack one group over any other.

Montelacrap.... grow up.

"There were a few specific people who acted like terrorist"

There are always specific people "who acted like terrorist". What's your point? Who is attacking one group over another? Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Hindu terrorists or freedom fighters are one or the other depending on one's point of view. The Contras were terrorists to some and freedom fighters to others. Afghan Muhajedin were freedom fighters when fighting the Russians and became terrorists when fighting NATO. The British considered the IRA terrorists, the Irish considered them freedom fighters. Grow up.

 

[Andylusion]

Jews came, bought land and developed it. They created jobs and raised the average income of the people.

Jewish people. Not the indigenous arabs who were living in that area for generations.

Jews have been living there since Ancient Israel existed. There has never, at any point, been a time in which Jews did not live in the land of Israel, since the Babylon Empire.

Jews have been there, long than any Arab, sent there by the Ottoman Empire, or transplanted peoples of Samaria.

The *ONLY* people group to have been in the land of Israel consistently for over 2000 years, is the Jews.

Further, Arabs have been slaughtered and murdering Jews in the land of Israel that entire time. Seems divine justice what is happening now.

Bullshit. Ancestors of the Palestinians, Christians and Muslims today, have lived in Palestine since before there were Jews. Their religion at the time and what they converted to has nothing to do with it. The fact is:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Which still indicates what? "Prior to 1850 there were in the country (STILL, AS THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN) a handful of Jews"

See you look at that, as if that proves Jews were not there. In reality, you proved exactly what I said. There have *ALWAYS BEEN JEWS IN ISRAEL*. >>*ALWAYS*<<

What part of that do you not get? There have *ALWAYS* been jews in Israel, since the Babylonian Empire.

Which word in that statement do you not grasp? There have.... *always* been *Jews* in *Israel* since the Babylonians.

This is not a difficult, or complex statement. It barely requires a 4th grade reading ability. And nothing you have said at any point, does anything but prove my statement true.

Would you care to continue?

So what if there have always been a few hundred Jews in Palestine there have always been a few hundred Samaritans in Palestine, so what? There have always been a few Greeks in Turkey, what claim does that give to Greeks to return to Anatolia and expel the Turks?

There had always been a handful of Germans in France, living in a small section of France called Alsace-Lorraine. Does it mean that the Germans would be justified in settling in all of France and expelling the French?

It is an easy question.

And Germans do hold land that previously belonged to other people. So do the French, and the English, and the Spanish.

All peoples own land that other peoples have owned prior.

Can the people who lived on the land that YOU live in right now, kick you out? Or will you stop them?

Pretty easy for you to demand others obey a principal that you yourself have not, and will never follow.

Grow up.

 

[Andylusion]

Oh dear Rocco. You have been found out and are responding as a child would. Grow up. The Jews were the terrorists in Palestine, the local people just wanted to be left alone and did not want t be invaded by Europeans.

Oh dear Montelacrap. You have been found out, and are responding to an accurate and truthful post, as a child would, by claiming others need to grow up. There were a few specific people who acted like terrorist, which of course never happens in any other country in the world. No American has ever acted like a terrorist. Or UK, or German, or Irish, or Russian, or African... nope every other country is full of innocent angels, which is why you think you have the moral arrogance to attack one group over any other.

Montelacrap.... grow up.

"There were a few specific people who acted like terrorist"

There are always specific people "who acted like terrorist". What's your point? Who is attacking one group over another? Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Hindu terrorists or freedom fighters are one or the other depending on one's point of view. The Contras were terrorists to some and freedom fighters to others. Afghan Muhajedin were freedom fighters when fighting the Russians and became terrorists when fighting NATO. The British considered the IRA terrorists, the Irish considered them freedom fighters. Grow up.

Thanks. You made my point. How about you grasp it enough, to stop singling out the Jews.

The Irish did not all consider them freedom fighters. And even then, the IRA wasn't blowing up their own children, to kill other Children. The Jewish terrorist groups for far more like the IRA, than they are like the Muslim groups who specifically blow up their own kids, to kill other kids. It's not similar in any way. Nor did I see the IRA hiding behind their women and children as human shields.

Not comparable. The people you defend are dogs, and you are a dog to defend them.

 

[Challenger]

Then explain the one stood on a rock that does not even flinch when the first rounds are heard. No muzzle flashes from the direction of the vehicles to show that the people there had fired any weapons. And if you look even closer all the alleged IDF soldiers are behind the rear vehicles side panels as at least 6 rounds are fired

This film clip is shot by well meaning amateurs, who after the rounds are heard concentrate on filming the vehicles, oblivious of the fact that the fire is coming from the soldiers you see adopting the prone position at around the 25 second mark in the video to the left of the main group of vehicles. Clearly you have never been around real guns or you would know you can't see muzzle flashes in daylight very easily if at all, especially as most military rifles have flash suppressors fitted. You are more likely to see a small amount gunsmoke (depending on the type of ammo used) or a little dust kicked up in front of the barrel. I am however inclined to agree with your earlier post that some sound effects may have been added for effect, as at that range, gunshots are more likely to sound like snapping twigs and would not be that loud. I think you'll find I mentioned the "bird on the rock" in my last post.

Then you know nothing about fishing in the Med or anywhere else. The nets were of a coarse rope material not monofilament as is usual ( 100 metres of mono gill net costs about £100 sterling, 100 metres of coarse cargo net costs about £1,000 STERLING ) The net seen is cargo netting and is only small, so no good for catching fish but fine for catching boxes of weapons or ammunition.

Most of the netting being reeled in was of the fine mesh variety although there was some nor coarse netting seen for a second or two before the firing started but its unclear if it was part of the actual net being reeled out or had just gotten in the way and was being moved, anyway why shouldn't a fishing boat also have coarse netting on board? The original footage came from the Al Hiwar Satellite TV Channel and is a lot longer than the clip posted. If the Zionist JSIL navy really believed these fishermen were trying to smuggle arms into Gaza, they'd stop the boat and search it. This was just another incident to show the Palestinians who the boss is. Several fishermen have been killed by the IDF in the past and these events are commonplace as part of the ongoing siege.

The rules go out the window when you engage in terrorist activities and then you are placed behind a wall...

So these fishermen are "terrorists" and your evidence for this assertion is?

 

[Andylusion]

Then explain the one stood on a rock that does not even flinch when the first rounds are heard. No muzzle flashes from the direction of the vehicles to show that the people there had fired any weapons. And if you look even closer all the alleged IDF soldiers are behind the rear vehicles side panels as at least 6 rounds are fired

This film clip is shot by well meaning amateurs, who after the rounds are heard concentrate on filming the vehicles, oblivious of the fact that the fire is coming from the soldiers you see adopting the prone position at around the 25 second mark in the video to the left of the main group of vehicles. Clearly you have never been around real guns or you would know you can't see muzzle flashes in daylight very easily if at all, especially as most military rifles have flash suppressors fitted. You are more likely to see a small amount gunsmoke (depending on the type of ammo used) or a little dust kicked up in front of the barrel. I am however inclined to agree with your earlier post that some sound effects may have been added for effect, as at that range, gunshots are more likely to sound like snapping twigs and would not be that loud. I think you'll find I mentioned the "bird on the rock" in my last post.

Then you know nothing about fishing in the Med or anywhere else. The nets were of a coarse rope material not monofilament as is usual ( 100 metres of mono gill net costs about £100 sterling, 100 metres of coarse cargo net costs about £1,000 STERLING ) The net seen is cargo netting and is only small, so no good for catching fish but fine for catching boxes of weapons or ammunition.

Most of the netting being reeled in was of the fine mesh variety although there was some nor coarse netting seen for a second or two before the firing started but its unclear if it was part of the actual net being reeled out or had just gotten in the way and was being moved, anyway why shouldn't a fishing boat also have coarse netting on board? The original footage came from the Al Hiwar Satellite TV Channel and is a lot longer than the clip posted. If the Zionist JSIL navy really believed these fishermen were trying to smuggle arms into Gaza, they'd stop the boat and search it. This was just another incident to show the Palestinians who the boss is. Several fishermen have been killed by the IDF in the past and these events are commonplace as part of the ongoing siege.

The rules go out the window when you engage in terrorist activities and then you are placed behind a wall...

So these fishermen are "terrorists" and your evidence for this assertion is?

The actions that the Palestinian people have taken in the past 10 years, have made them *ALL* terrorists in my mind. They are *ALL* guilty.



They are dogs. Animals. All of them. No excuses. No rationalizations. They attack other people like they have no value, because THEY have no value.

Hard to gather sympathy for animals that act this way. If they were dogs, they'd be shot for being rabid. So.... I support Israel. Let the dogs die.

 

[docmauser1]

Most of the netting being reeled in was of the fine mesh variety although there was some nor coarse netting seen for a second or two before the firing started but its unclear if it was part of the actual net being reeled out or had just gotten in the way and was being moved, anyway why shouldn't a fishing boat also have coarse netting on board? The original footage came from the Al Hiwar Satellite TV Channel and is a lot longer than the clip posted. If the Zionist JSIL navy really believed these fishermen were trying to smuggle arms into Gaza, they'd stop the boat and search it. This was just another incident to show the Palestinians who the boss is. Several fishermen have been killed by the IDF in the past and these events are commonplace as part of the ongoing siege.

Was that a martyrdom for footage footage?

 

[Phoenall]

Jews came, bought land and developed it. They created jobs and raised the average income of the people.

Jewish people. Not the indigenous arabs who were living in that area for generations.

Jews have been living there since Ancient Israel existed. There has never, at any point, been a time in which Jews did not live in the land of Israel, since the Babylon Empire.

Jews have been there, long than any Arab, sent there by the Ottoman Empire, or transplanted peoples of Samaria.

The *ONLY* people group to have been in the land of Israel consistently for over 2000 years, is the Jews.

Further, Arabs have been slaughtered and murdering Jews in the land of Israel that entire time. Seems divine justice what is happening now.

Bullshit. Ancestors of the Palestinians, Christians and Muslims today, have lived in Palestine since before there were Jews. Their religion at the time and what they converted to has nothing to do with it. The fact is:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Which still indicates what? "Prior to 1850 there were in the country (STILL, AS THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN) a handful of Jews"

See you look at that, as if that proves Jews were not there. In reality, you proved exactly what I said. There have *ALWAYS BEEN JEWS IN ISRAEL*. >>*ALWAYS*<<

What part of that do you not get? There have *ALWAYS* been jews in Israel, since the Babylonian Empire.

Which word in that statement do you not grasp? There have.... *always* been *Jews* in *Israel* since the Babylonians.

This is not a difficult, or complex statement. It barely requires a 4th grade reading ability. And nothing you have said at any point, does anything but prove my statement true.

Would you care to continue?

So what if there have always been a few hundred Jews in Palestine there have always been a few hundred Samaritans in Palestine, so what? There have always been a few Greeks in Turkey, what claim does that give to Greeks to return to Anatolia and expel the Turks?

There had always been a handful of Germans in France, living in a small section of France called Alsace-Lorraine. Does it mean that the Germans would be justified in settling in all of France and expelling the French?

It is an easy question.

And the easy answer is there have only been arab muslim Palestinians in Palestine for a few generations, they were expelled in 1099 and did not resurface until the 1800's. That is 700 yours without any arab muslims in Palestine, plenty of muslims from Ottoman lands but none from the east or south east. The Jews in Palestine were not just gathered in one tiny part they were spread all over the land in groups that eked a living from the barren earth made fertile again so they have a claim in that respect. But the major claim comes from CUSTOMARY INTERNBATIONAL LAW that gave the land of Palestine to the Jews. The lands legal owners did not give the land to the arab muslims but told them they could stay as Isreali citizens in the Jewish state of Israel, and that is were the trouble starts as the arab muslims would then be subservient to the Jews.

 

[montelatici]

Oh dear Rocco. You have been found out and are responding as a child would. Grow up. The Jews were the terrorists in Palestine, the local people just wanted to be left alone and did not want t be invaded by Europeans.

Oh dear Montelacrap. You have been found out, and are responding to an accurate and truthful post, as a child would, by claiming others need to grow up. There were a few specific people who acted like terrorist, which of course never happens in any other country in the world. No American has ever acted like a terrorist. Or UK, or German, or Irish, or Russian, or African... nope every other country is full of innocent angels, which is why you think you have the moral arrogance to attack one group over any other.

Montelacrap.... grow up.

"There were a few specific people who acted like terrorist"

There are always specific people "who acted like terrorist". What's your point? Who is attacking one group over another? Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Hindu terrorists or freedom fighters are one or the other depending on one's point of view. The Contras were terrorists to some and freedom fighters to others. Afghan Muhajedin were freedom fighters when fighting the Russians and became terrorists when fighting NATO. The British considered the IRA terrorists, the Irish considered them freedom fighters. Grow up.

Thanks. You made my point. How about you grasp it enough, to stop singling out the Jews.

The Irish did not all consider them freedom fighters. And even then, the IRA wasn't blowing up their own children, to kill other Children. The Jewish terrorist groups for far more like the IRA, than they are like the Muslim groups who specifically blow up their own kids, to kill other kids. It's not similar in any way. Nor did I see the IRA hiding behind their women and children as human shields.

Not comparable. The people you defend are dogs, and you are a dog to defend them.

You are wrong or deranged on all counts.

1. Most if not all Catholics consider the IRA Freedom Fighters about the same proportion that Palestinians consider their militants Freedom Fighters.. Your claim is just silly.

2. List including Catholic children killed by the IRA:

Articles re Attacks on Children

3. Human shields:

Jewish people. Not the indigenous arabs who were living in that area for generations.

Jews have been living there since Ancient Israel existed. There has never, at any point, been a time in which Jews did not live in the land of Israel, since the Babylon Empire.

Jews have been there, long than any Arab, sent there by the Ottoman Empire, or transplanted peoples of Samaria.

The *ONLY* people group to have been in the land of Israel consistently for over 2000 years, is the Jews.

Further, Arabs have been slaughtered and murdering Jews in the land of Israel that entire time. Seems divine justice what is happening now.

Bullshit. Ancestors of the Palestinians, Christians and Muslims today, have lived in Palestine since before there were Jews. Their religion at the time and what they converted to has nothing to do with it. The fact is:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Which still indicates what? "Prior to 1850 there were in the country (STILL, AS THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN) a handful of Jews"

See you look at that, as if that proves Jews were not there. In reality, you proved exactly what I said. There have *ALWAYS BEEN JEWS IN ISRAEL*. >>*ALWAYS*<<

What part of that do you not get? There have *ALWAYS* been jews in Israel, since the Babylonian Empire.

Which word in that statement do you not grasp? There have.... *always* been *Jews* in *Israel* since the Babylonians.

This is not a difficult, or complex statement. It barely requires a 4th grade reading ability. And nothing you have said at any point, does anything but prove my statement true.

Would you care to continue?

So what if there have always been a few hundred Jews in Palestine there have always been a few hundred Samaritans in Palestine, so what? There have always been a few Greeks in Turkey, what claim does that give to Greeks to return to Anatolia and expel the Turks?

There had always been a handful of Germans in France, living in a small section of France called Alsace-Lorraine. Does it mean that the Germans would be justified in settling in all of France and expelling the French?

It is an easy question.

And Germans do hold land that previously belonged to other people. So do the French, and the English, and the Spanish.

All peoples own land that other peoples have owned prior.

Can the people who lived on the land that YOU live in right now, kick you out? Or will you stop them?

Pretty easy for you to demand others obey a principal that you yourself have not, and will never follow.

Grow up.

The Jews have every right to try to keep the stolen land, on the other hand, the Christians and Muslims have every right to try to get their land back by any means possible. You people would take that right away from them.

Of course, there could be a compromise where a secular state is formed where all people of Palestine, of whatever religion, have equal rights.

 

[montelatici]

Jewish people. Not the indigenous arabs who were living in that area for generations.

Jews have been living there since Ancient Israel existed. There has never, at any point, been a time in which Jews did not live in the land of Israel, since the Babylon Empire.

Jews have been there, long than any Arab, sent there by the Ottoman Empire, or transplanted peoples of Samaria.

The *ONLY* people group to have been in the land of Israel consistently for over 2000 years, is the Jews.

Further, Arabs have been slaughtered and murdering Jews in the land of Israel that entire time. Seems divine justice what is happening now.

Bullshit. Ancestors of the Palestinians, Christians and Muslims today, have lived in Palestine since before there were Jews. Their religion at the time and what they converted to has nothing to do with it. The fact is:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Which still indicates what? "Prior to 1850 there were in the country (STILL, AS THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN) a handful of Jews"

See you look at that, as if that proves Jews were not there. In reality, you proved exactly what I said. There have *ALWAYS BEEN JEWS IN ISRAEL*. >>*ALWAYS*<<

What part of that do you not get? There have *ALWAYS* been jews in Israel, since the Babylonian Empire.

Which word in that statement do you not grasp? There have.... *always* been *Jews* in *Israel* since the Babylonians.

This is not a difficult, or complex statement. It barely requires a 4th grade reading ability. And nothing you have said at any point, does anything but prove my statement true.

Would you care to continue?

So what if there have always been a few hundred Jews in Palestine there have always been a few hundred Samaritans in Palestine, so what? There have always been a few Greeks in Turkey, what claim does that give to Greeks to return to Anatolia and expel the Turks?

There had always been a handful of Germans in France, living in a small section of France called Alsace-Lorraine. Does it mean that the Germans would be justified in settling in all of France and expelling the French?

It is an easy question.

And the easy answer is there have only been arab muslim Palestinians in Palestine for a few generations, they were expelled in 1099 and did not resurface until the 1800's. That is 700 yours without any arab muslims in Palestine, plenty of muslims from Ottoman lands but none from the east or south east. The Jews in Palestine were not just gathered in one tiny part they were spread all over the land in groups that eked a living from the barren earth made fertile again so they have a claim in that respect. But the major claim comes from CUSTOMARY INTERNBATIONAL LAW that gave the land of Palestine to the Jews. The lands legal owners did not give the land to the arab muslims but told them they could stay as Isreali citizens in the Jewish state of Israel, and that is were the trouble starts as the arab muslims would then be subservient to the Jews.

Muslims and Christians have been in Palestine. The Muslims were expelled along with the Jews by the Crusaders. The Muslims returned with Saladin in 1188.

Plan Dalet required that the non-Jews be removed.

In fact, everything you wrote is bullshit.

 

[Phoenall]

Then explain the one stood on a rock that does not even flinch when the first rounds are heard. No muzzle flashes from the direction of the vehicles to show that the people there had fired any weapons. And if you look even closer all the alleged IDF soldiers are behind the rear vehicles side panels as at least 6 rounds are fired

This film clip is shot by well meaning amateurs, who after the rounds are heard concentrate on filming the vehicles, oblivious of the fact that the fire is coming from the soldiers you see adopting the prone position at around the 25 second mark in the video to the left of the main group of vehicles. Clearly you have never been around real guns or you would know you can't see muzzle flashes in daylight very easily if at all, especially as most military rifles have flash suppressors fitted. You are more likely to see a small amount gunsmoke (depending on the type of ammo used) or a little dust kicked up in front of the barrel. I am however inclined to agree with your earlier post that some sound effects may have been added for effect, as at that range, gunshots are more likely to sound like snapping twigs and would not be that loud. I think you'll find I mentioned the "bird on the rock" in my last post.

Then you know nothing about fishing in the Med or anywhere else. The nets were of a coarse rope material not monofilament as is usual ( 100 metres of mono gill net costs about £100 sterling, 100 metres of coarse cargo net costs about £1,000 STERLING ) The net seen is cargo netting and is only small, so no good for catching fish but fine for catching boxes of weapons or ammunition.

Most of the netting being reeled in was of the fine mesh variety although there was some nor coarse netting seen for a second or two before the firing started but its unclear if it was part of the actual net being reeled out or had just gotten in the way and was being moved, anyway why shouldn't a fishing boat also have coarse netting on board? The original footage came from the Al Hiwar Satellite TV Channel and is a lot longer than the clip posted. If the Zionist JSIL navy really believed these fishermen were trying to smuggle arms into Gaza, they'd stop the boat and search it. This was just another incident to show the Palestinians who the boss is. Several fishermen have been killed by the IDF in the past and these events are commonplace as part of the ongoing siege.

The rules go out the window when you engage in terrorist activities and then you are placed behind a wall...

So these fishermen are "terrorists" and your evidence for this assertion is?

If they are deliberately going outside the area to incite a reaction then they are acting as terrorists, just as the human shields are acting as terrorists. They do not have to commit an act of violence to be a terrorist, just support the terrorists in some manner.

 

[docmauser1]

1. Most if not all Catholics consider the IRA Freedom Fighters about the same proportion that Palestinians consider their militants Freedom Fighters..

Cool! Defeats the claims that, most of palistanians are longing for peace, and it's only a handful of their miscreants who starts the trouble.

Bullshit. Ancestors of the Palestinians, Christians and Muslims today, have lived in Palestine since before there were Jews. Their religion at the time and what they converted to has nothing to do with it.

Bullshit, indeed.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

It must've been mucho frustrating to struggle with the ottoman land registry (and land itself), and they invented an arab settling-squatting "sheikh" to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine. hehe

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

I looked at the video several times. I don't see an "attack."

So these fishermen are "terrorists" and your evidence for this assertion is?

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What I do see is an approach and interdiction by a fast patrol boat. It seems to me to be a pretty standard interdiction. The shots fired were clearly in the water, attempting to warn-off multiple fishing boats attempting to violate the standing Notice to Mariners.

It appears to be an attempt at creating an incident for media shock value.

As soon as you hear the one female camera operator shout that they are in "International Waters," --- you know right away that they are in violation of the block established by the Israeli Navy under the San Remo Manual.

While there is no evidence that the operators were terrorists, there is not obvious evidence that they were engaged in fishing activity. It appears to be a provoked confrontation in order to capture video of an Israel interdiction on restricted waters.

I would not use this video in attempting to prove your point. It doesn't do it very well.

BTW, I think this might be an older video. The Israel Patrol Boat seems to be of the Dubar Class (older series).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[docmauser1]

The Jews have every right to try to keep the stolen land, on the other hand, the Christians and Muslims have every right to try to get their land back by any means possible. You people would take that right away from them.

Noone can take away a figment of the palistanian sick imagination, of course.