Israeli Army Forces Enter Gaza, Open Fire On Palestinian Farmers

[Andylusion]

When did the Palestinian's inalienable rights expire?

Give me a date.

May 15, 1948.

The day of the Great Arab Skeddadle of 1948.

The day they ran, rather than stand their ground and fight for themselves.

Use 'em or lose 'em.

For all intents and purposes, any snowball's chance-in-hell that they ever had, of actually becoming a country, evaporated on that very day.

Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away.

A cowardice that we still see today, as Palestinian fighters continue to hide behind the skirts of their women and children.

They got the destiny they chose for themselves, by running like rabbits.

Enjoy.

"He who pisses his pants, then runs away, lives to regret it, for many a day."

You total Moron........at the time you mention the Jewish Terrorist Organizations were murdering Palestinians wholesale...and driving them deliberately out of their homes and towns.........Slaughtering innocent women,children and babies maybe your idea of strength but not to more educated people,but as you are a Dumb Bastard it merely shows you ignorance Big Time

Accept it didn't happen.

Terrorist attack people who are not fighting them. You fly a plane into a building full of people who were not armed, not attacking, not even throwing rocks.

When Israel shoots people attacking them, it's not longer terrorism. Terrorism is strapping a bomb to your own kid, and sending him to blow up a dance club, full of unarmed, non-combatant kids..... dancing.



These are animals. Selling their own children for a suicide attack. More like rodents than dogs even... dogs will fight viciously to protect their babies. These people profit from the death of their children.



A 21-year-old suffering from burns. Goes to Israel to get treatment, and is treated and helped.... yet convinced by her sub-human Palestinians to strap bombs to herself, to attack the very people who saved her life.

And you want us to feel sympathy for you when Israelis kill your kids?

When you people move up to the level of a dog... and care for your own kids half as much as the Israelis do.... we'll talk. Until then, you are a rodent, and I don't care what happens to you.

 

[Andylusion]

Just how fucked does a person have to be, to shoot at people fishing and farming?

Again, do you know what happened, or why they responded?

You are talking about soldiers who are used to these rodents hiding behind women and children to shoot at Israelis.

You think that doesn't mess with the minds of soldiers?

Maybe if the rodents stopped biting the hand the feeds them so much, they wouldn't get stepped on as much.

 

[Andylusion]

Jews came, bought land and developed it. They created jobs and raised the average income of the people.

Jewish people. Not the indigenous arabs who were living in that area for generations.

Jews have been living there since Ancient Israel existed. There has never, at any point, been a time in which Jews did not live in the land of Israel, since the Babylon Empire.

Jews have been there, long than any Arab, sent there by the Ottoman Empire, or transplanted peoples of Samaria.

The *ONLY* people group to have been in the land of Israel consistently for over 2000 years, is the Jews.

Further, Arabs have been slaughtered and murdering Jews in the land of Israel that entire time. Seems divine justice what is happening now.

 

[aris2chat]

P F Tinmore, et al,

As previously stated: The immigration was in accordance with the authority of the Mandatory.

The Zionist imports fit which one of these definitions?

(COMMENT)

This is merely a choice between two equally erroneous options; a false dilemma.

Most Respectfully,
R

Sorry but the Illegal Jews,started a Terrorist War against the Palestinians and the British circa 1937 in response to the hordes of Illegals trying to invade Palestine...which the British had banned by this time...so much for your erroneous comment.

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Arab started the conflict 1920 on the mufti's orders.

 

[aris2chat]

Jews came, bought land and developed it. They created jobs and raised the average income of the people.

Jewish people. Not the indigenous arabs who were living in that area for generations. They were denied employment. There were no jobs created for them.

Two of the principal means advocated by the Zionist Organization for achieving the national home were large-scale immigration and land purchase. A third was the denial of employment to Palestinian labour.

I've pointed this out to you before, yet you keep insisting on re-telling the same lie over and over.

They did not come to conquer but to build. They were not invaders, they were migrants, refugee returning to their ancient homeland.

Bringing their racist and apartheid land policies with them.

A strict policy of what in today's terms would be described as racial discrimination was maintained by the Zionist Organization in this rapid advance towards the "national home". Only Jewish labour could service Jewish farms and settlements. The eventual outcome of this trend was a major outbreak of violence with unprecedented loss of life in 1929, which was investigated by the Shaw Commission.

Hey Toasty, you snowback coward, do you see that last part? Jewish racism started all the violence.

Any attack/massacre/killing has a reason behind it. That doesn't justify it.
Either way, Arabs started killing/massacring Jews way before Jews killed any Arabs. You have still failed to prove otherwise.
You have failed again you sad piece of shit.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Palestine Arab Riots 1920-21

 

[Phoenall]

That's because Palestinian-Jews and Palestinian-Arabs lived for century's in that area side-by-side, peacefully, with no recorded events of major violence between the two groups, until the Zionist migration at the turn of the last century.

That pretty much proves Zionists imported the violence along with their illegal immigration into the area.

It is called returning to the homeland, and they were invited by the ottoman and arab leaders.

No, it's called an invasion from another continent. People from Europe do not have a homeland in the Middle East.

Jordan, Iraq, Egypt and Syria invaded, occupied and mistreated the palestinians o the land they they captured.

When Israel gained control of gaza and the west bank they found the Palestinians caged like wild animals without even the basic humanitarian conditions on hand. Many unburied dead were found dumped in dishonour to their religion. It was Israel that gave them sanitation, running water, power and basic health care.

Only Israelis have CAGED Palestinians..children at that......it was Australia that brought this to the worlds attention some months ago.....a practice that I believe has now stopped..........so much for your Bullshit Insight to the Plight of the Palestinians........You American Weido Wannabee Jews are nothing like the Israeli Jews who want a fair solution to these problems for both peoples......You MAY NOW Leave this thread as your comments like the Moron named Condor,because you have NO real contribution to this discussion................Wank On

Here is photographic evidence you foul mouthed moron

Arab 'refugees' in camp in Gaza. The control in the Gaza Strip was until 1967 in the hands of Egypt.

By the way I am not Jewish or American, I come from a country that will very soon be ridding itself of islam and the filth it peddles

 

[RoccoR]

theliq, et al,

This is so much nonsense.

P F Tinmore, et al,

As previously stated: The immigration was in accordance with the authority of the Mandatory.

The Zionist imports fit which one of these definitions?

(COMMENT)

This is merely a choice between two equally erroneous options; a false dilemma.

Most Respectfully,
R

Sorry but the Illegal Jews,started a Terrorist War against the Palestinians and the British circa 1937 in response to the hordes of Illegals trying to invade Palestine...which the British had banned by this time...so much for your erroneous comment.

(OBSERVATION)

Not that it makes much difference today, but the Palestinian Terrorism was well organized and function seven years before this. One such organization was know as the "Palestinian Black Hand" (PBH)(al-Kaff al-Aswad‎) --- an armed terrorist group founded in 1930 and led by Syrian-born Sheik Izz ad-Din al-Qassam (HAMAS martyr and name sake of the Brigade). By 1935 the PBH had between 500 to 800 men, operating in small cells and targeting Jewish settlers in northern Palestine. The PBH and Sheik al-Qassam were the first to openly use the "call to Jihad" in their recruitment for members.

(COMMENT)

The evolutionary sequences was:

• 1907 Bar-Giora Jewish commercial self-defense entity for hire (Business Motto: Habiryonim: "In fire and blood") --- operating during the period when approximately 20,000 Jews immigrated the Mandate Territory. This commercial entity was not employed by all immigrant settlements. It was the first competitor to Arab guards had been hired for protection.
• 1909 Hashomer ("The Watchman") The goal of The Watchmen were an expanded version of the Bar Giora. It's mission was to settling the land and guarding it from Arab attackers. The purpose of Hashomer was to provide guard services for Jewish settlements in the re-organization of defense needs for all the Jewish communities in Palestine. Many of The Watchmen were to become members of the Jewish Legion (Battalions of the Royal Fusiliers, British Army) or members of the Mounted Constabulary Units (British Colonial Police Service) established in the Mandatory of Palestine.
• 1920 Haganah ("The Defence") The mission of the Haganah was strictly defensive in nature and did not engage in counterattacks against Arab gangs. This was a point of contention as the threat from organized Arab Gangs grew more intense. With the rise of the PBH, the first of the splinter groups broke-off from the Haganah in 1931.
• 1931 Irgun [Haganah Bet ("Defense B" or "Second Defense")] To meet the growing threat from Arab Terrorists and first generation Jihadists, like the PBH, the Irgun formed out of resources of the Haganah. This was the first of the Jewish Offensive force structures. It was an independent group outside the control and leadership of the Haganah.
• 1940 Lehi (AKA: Stern Gang --- thought of as the "The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel") Was a radical element, and the most dangerous from a political and paramilitary perspective. Much like the Arab counterparts, The Lehi operated against British authority, with the objective of open immigration (no quota or limitation) and the formation of a Jewish state (Totalitarian Hebrew Republic). It also openly rejected the authority of the Jewish Agency. The Lehi, not unlike HAMAS of today, financed their operations from private donations, extortion, bank robbery and other criminal enterprizes. The Lehi had generally been opposed and even condemned by the more moderate Jewish Leadership who considered it somewhat of a political embarrassment and an albatross to international diplomatic efforts. After 1948, and the creation of the Jewish State of Israel --- the leadership could no longer afford the unrestrained Lehi to run free. It was essentially disbanded and/or absorbed.

In unconventional and fourth generation warfare, where asymmetric forces are dominant and develop over time, there are strains that evolve to be uncontrolled and therefore a serious and unpredictable dangers.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Andylusion]

theliq, et al,

This is so much nonsense.

P F Tinmore, et al,

As previously stated: The immigration was in accordance with the authority of the Mandatory.

The Zionist imports fit which one of these definitions?

(COMMENT)

This is merely a choice between two equally erroneous options; a false dilemma.

Most Respectfully,
R

Sorry but the Illegal Jews,started a Terrorist War against the Palestinians and the British circa 1937 in response to the hordes of Illegals trying to invade Palestine...which the British had banned by this time...so much for your erroneous comment.

(OBSERVATION)

Not that it makes much difference today, but the Palestinian Terrorism was well organized and function seven years before this. One such organization was know as the "Palestinian Black Hand" (PBH)(al-Kaff al-Aswad‎) --- an armed terrorist group founded in 1930 and led by Syrian-born Sheik Izz ad-Din al-Qassam (HAMAS martyr and name sake of the Brigade). By 1935 the PBH had between 500 to 800 men, operating in small cells and targeting Jewish settlers in northern Palestine. The PBH and Sheik al-Qassam were the first to openly use the "call to Jihad" in their recruitment for members.

(COMMENT)

The evolutionary sequences was:

• 1907 Bar-Giora Jewish commercial self-defense entity for hire (Business Motto: Habiryonim: "In fire and blood") --- operating during the period when approximately 20,000 Jews immigrated the Mandate Territory. This commercial entity was not employed by all immigrant settlements. It was the first competitor to Arab guards had been hired for protection.
• 1909 Hashomer ("The Watchman") The goal of The Watchmen were an expanded version of the Bar Giora. It's mission was to settling the land and guarding it from Arab attackers. The purpose of Hashomer was to provide guard services for Jewish settlements in the re-organization of defense needs for all the Jewish communities in Palestine. Many of The Watchmen were to become members of the Jewish Legion (Battalions of the Royal Fusiliers, British Army) or members of the Mounted Constabulary Units (British Colonial Police Service) established in the Mandatory of Palestine.
• 1920 Haganah ("The Defence") The mission of the Haganah was strictly defensive in nature and did not engage in counterattacks against Arab gangs. This was a point of contention as the threat from organized Arab Gangs grew more intense. With the rise of the PBH, the first of the splinter groups broke-off from the Haganah in 1931.
• 1931 Irgun [Haganah Bet ("Defense B" or "Second Defense")] To meet the growing threat from Arab Terrorists and first generation Jihadists, like the PBH, the Irgun formed out of resources of the Haganah. This was the first of the Jewish Offensive force structures. It was an independent group outside the control and leadership of the Haganah.
• 1940 Lehi (AKA: Stern Gang --- thought of as the "The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel") Was a radical element, and the most dangerous from a political and paramilitary perspective. Much like the Arab counterparts, The Lehi operated against British authority, with the objective of open immigration (no quota or limitation) and the formation of a Jewish state (Totalitarian Hebrew Republic). It also openly rejected the authority of the Jewish Agency. The Lehi, not unlike HAMAS of today, financed their operations from private donations, extortion, bank robbery and other criminal enterprizes. The Lehi had generally been opposed and even condemned by the more moderate Jewish Leadership who considered it somewhat of a political embarrassment and an albatross to international diplomatic efforts. After 1948, and the creation of the Jewish State of Israel --- the leadership could no longer afford the unrestrained Lehi to run free. It was essentially disbanded and/or absorbed.

In unconventional and fourth generation warfare, where asymmetric forces are dominant and develop over time, there are strains that evolve to be uncontrolled and therefore a serious and unpredictable dangers.

Most Respectfully,
R

So nice to see an actually informed post, with information that even I didn't know about. I didn't know about Haganah, or Bar-Giora, or Hashnomer.

It's posts like this, with that make reading this forum worthwhile.

 

[P F Tinmore]

theliq, et al,

This is so much nonsense.

P F Tinmore, et al,

As previously stated: The immigration was in accordance with the authority of the Mandatory.

The Zionist imports fit which one of these definitions?

(COMMENT)

This is merely a choice between two equally erroneous options; a false dilemma.

Most Respectfully,
R

Sorry but the Illegal Jews,started a Terrorist War against the Palestinians and the British circa 1937 in response to the hordes of Illegals trying to invade Palestine...which the British had banned by this time...so much for your erroneous comment.

(OBSERVATION)

Not that it makes much difference today, but the Palestinian Terrorism was well organized and function seven years before this. One such organization was know as the "Palestinian Black Hand" (PBH)(al-Kaff al-Aswad‎) --- an armed terrorist group founded in 1930 and led by Syrian-born Sheik Izz ad-Din al-Qassam (HAMAS martyr and name sake of the Brigade). By 1935 the PBH had between 500 to 800 men, operating in small cells and targeting Jewish settlers in northern Palestine. The PBH and Sheik al-Qassam were the first to openly use the "call to Jihad" in their recruitment for members.

(COMMENT)

The evolutionary sequences was:

• 1907 Bar-Giora Jewish commercial self-defense entity for hire (Business Motto: Habiryonim: "In fire and blood") --- operating during the period when approximately 20,000 Jews immigrated the Mandate Territory. This commercial entity was not employed by all immigrant settlements. It was the first competitor to Arab guards had been hired for protection.
• 1909 Hashomer ("The Watchman") The goal of The Watchmen were an expanded version of the Bar Giora. It's mission was to settling the land and guarding it from Arab attackers. The purpose of Hashomer was to provide guard services for Jewish settlements in the re-organization of defense needs for all the Jewish communities in Palestine. Many of The Watchmen were to become members of the Jewish Legion (Battalions of the Royal Fusiliers, British Army) or members of the Mounted Constabulary Units (British Colonial Police Service) established in the Mandatory of Palestine.
• 1920 Haganah ("The Defence") The mission of the Haganah was strictly defensive in nature and did not engage in counterattacks against Arab gangs. This was a point of contention as the threat from organized Arab Gangs grew more intense. With the rise of the PBH, the first of the splinter groups broke-off from the Haganah in 1931.
• 1931 Irgun [Haganah Bet ("Defense B" or "Second Defense")] To meet the growing threat from Arab Terrorists and first generation Jihadists, like the PBH, the Irgun formed out of resources of the Haganah. This was the first of the Jewish Offensive force structures. It was an independent group outside the control and leadership of the Haganah.
• 1940 Lehi (AKA: Stern Gang --- thought of as the "The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel") Was a radical element, and the most dangerous from a political and paramilitary perspective. Much like the Arab counterparts, The Lehi operated against British authority, with the objective of open immigration (no quota or limitation) and the formation of a Jewish state (Totalitarian Hebrew Republic). It also openly rejected the authority of the Jewish Agency. The Lehi, not unlike HAMAS of today, financed their operations from private donations, extortion, bank robbery and other criminal enterprizes. The Lehi had generally been opposed and even condemned by the more moderate Jewish Leadership who considered it somewhat of a political embarrassment and an albatross to international diplomatic efforts. After 1948, and the creation of the Jewish State of Israel --- the leadership could no longer afford the unrestrained Lehi to run free. It was essentially disbanded and/or absorbed.

In unconventional and fourth generation warfare, where asymmetric forces are dominant and develop over time, there are strains that evolve to be uncontrolled and therefore a serious and unpredictable dangers.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Jews started terrorist organizations to protect their colonial project.

What is your point?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Jewish People needed protection from Hostile Arab Palestinians even before the outbreak of WWI, before the Balfour Declaration, before the Faisal-Weissman Agreement, and well before the Mandate of Palestine.

The Jews started terrorist organizations to protect their colonial project.

What is your point?

(COMMENT)

They were not "terrorist organizations," but security protection in the absences of effective police.

There was no such thing as a Jewish Colonial Project. The Jewish immigrants to Palestine were not colonial settlers of a foreign power.

This is just an image the Hostile Arab Palestinians use to justify their violent and aggressive Xenophobic behavior.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[docmauser1]

The Jews started terrorist organizations to protect their colonial project.

No wonder arab settlers and colonizers would call others terrorists, of course.

 

[montelatici]

Jews came, bought land and developed it. They created jobs and raised the average income of the people.

Jewish people. Not the indigenous arabs who were living in that area for generations.

Jews have been living there since Ancient Israel existed. There has never, at any point, been a time in which Jews did not live in the land of Israel, since the Babylon Empire.

Jews have been there, long than any Arab, sent there by the Ottoman Empire, or transplanted peoples of Samaria.

The *ONLY* people group to have been in the land of Israel consistently for over 2000 years, is the Jews.

Further, Arabs have been slaughtered and murdering Jews in the land of Israel that entire time. Seems divine justice what is happening now.

Bullshit. Ancestors of the Palestinians, Christians and Muslims today, have lived in Palestine since before there were Jews. Their religion at the time and what they converted to has nothing to do with it. The fact is:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

 

[toastman]

Jews came, bought land and developed it. They created jobs and raised the average income of the people.

Jewish people. Not the indigenous arabs who were living in that area for generations.

Jews have been living there since Ancient Israel existed. There has never, at any point, been a time in which Jews did not live in the land of Israel, since the Babylon Empire.

Jews have been there, long than any Arab, sent there by the Ottoman Empire, or transplanted peoples of Samaria.

The *ONLY* people group to have been in the land of Israel consistently for over 2000 years, is the Jews.

Further, Arabs have been slaughtered and murdering Jews in the land of Israel that entire time. Seems divine justice what is happening now.

Bullshit. Ancestors of the Palestinians, Christians and Muslims today, have lived in Palestine since before there were Jews. Their religion at the time and what they converted to has nothing to do with it. The fact is:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Their religion doesn't matter? Hahaha!

Jews were there before the cult of Islam came into existence

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Jewish People needed protection from Hostile Arab Palestinians even before the outbreak of WWI, before the Balfour Declaration, before the Faisal-Weissman Agreement, and well before the Mandate of Palestine.

The Jews started terrorist organizations to protect their colonial project.

What is your point?

(COMMENT)

They were not "terrorist organizations," but security protection in the absences of effective police.

There was no such thing as a Jewish Colonial Project. The Jewish immigrants to Palestine were not colonial settlers of a foreign power.

This is just an image the Hostile Arab Palestinians use to justify their violent and aggressive Xenophobic behavior.

Most Respectfully,
R

Was bombing the King David hotel or assassinating Count Bernadotte your definition of "security protection" you nitwit?,

 

[toastman]

theliq, et al,

This is so much nonsense.

P F Tinmore, et al,

As previously stated: The immigration was in accordance with the authority of the Mandatory.

The Zionist imports fit which one of these definitions?

(COMMENT)

This is merely a choice between two equally erroneous options; a false dilemma.

Most Respectfully,
R

Sorry but the Illegal Jews,started a Terrorist War against the Palestinians and the British circa 1937 in response to the hordes of Illegals trying to invade Palestine...which the British had banned by this time...so much for your erroneous comment.

(OBSERVATION)

Not that it makes much difference today, but the Palestinian Terrorism was well organized and function seven years before this. One such organization was know as the "Palestinian Black Hand" (PBH)(al-Kaff al-Aswad‎) --- an armed terrorist group founded in 1930 and led by Syrian-born Sheik Izz ad-Din al-Qassam (HAMAS martyr and name sake of the Brigade). By 1935 the PBH had between 500 to 800 men, operating in small cells and targeting Jewish settlers in northern Palestine. The PBH and Sheik al-Qassam were the first to openly use the "call to Jihad" in their recruitment for members.

(COMMENT)

The evolutionary sequences was:

• 1907 Bar-Giora Jewish commercial self-defense entity for hire (Business Motto: Habiryonim: "In fire and blood") --- operating during the period when approximately 20,000 Jews immigrated the Mandate Territory. This commercial entity was not employed by all immigrant settlements. It was the first competitor to Arab guards had been hired for protection.
• 1909 Hashomer ("The Watchman") The goal of The Watchmen were an expanded version of the Bar Giora. It's mission was to settling the land and guarding it from Arab attackers. The purpose of Hashomer was to provide guard services for Jewish settlements in the re-organization of defense needs for all the Jewish communities in Palestine. Many of The Watchmen were to become members of the Jewish Legion (Battalions of the Royal Fusiliers, British Army) or members of the Mounted Constabulary Units (British Colonial Police Service) established in the Mandatory of Palestine.
• 1920 Haganah ("The Defence") The mission of the Haganah was strictly defensive in nature and did not engage in counterattacks against Arab gangs. This was a point of contention as the threat from organized Arab Gangs grew more intense. With the rise of the PBH, the first of the splinter groups broke-off from the Haganah in 1931.
• 1931 Irgun [Haganah Bet ("Defense B" or "Second Defense")] To meet the growing threat from Arab Terrorists and first generation Jihadists, like the PBH, the Irgun formed out of resources of the Haganah. This was the first of the Jewish Offensive force structures. It was an independent group outside the control and leadership of the Haganah.
• 1940 Lehi (AKA: Stern Gang --- thought of as the "The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel") Was a radical element, and the most dangerous from a political and paramilitary perspective. Much like the Arab counterparts, The Lehi operated against British authority, with the objective of open immigration (no quota or limitation) and the formation of a Jewish state (Totalitarian Hebrew Republic). It also openly rejected the authority of the Jewish Agency. The Lehi, not unlike HAMAS of today, financed their operations from private donations, extortion, bank robbery and other criminal enterprizes. The Lehi had generally been opposed and even condemned by the more moderate Jewish Leadership who considered it somewhat of a political embarrassment and an albatross to international diplomatic efforts. After 1948, and the creation of the Jewish State of Israel --- the leadership could no longer afford the unrestrained Lehi to run free. It was essentially disbanded and/or absorbed.

In unconventional and fourth generation warfare, where asymmetric forces are dominant and develop over time, there are strains that evolve to be uncontrolled and therefore a serious and unpredictable dangers.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Jews started terrorist organizations to protect their colonial project.

What is your point?

Are you not capable of understanding the simple fact that the first attacks/massacres were started by the Arabs? No matter how much you desperately attempt to ignore this fact, it won't change.
What I find funny is that you call the Jewish irganizations terrorists but when someone calls Hamas a terrorist organization, you call it third grade name calling, and try to convince is that Hamas is not one.
Also, as Rocco said, the Colonial project is a made up propaganda myth that you foolishly believe.
After losing the 1948 war, the Palestinian Arabs started to act like the victims and started portraying the Jews as the agressors, when it was coear that the Arabs commenced all the hostilities.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Jewish People needed protection from Hostile Arab Palestinians even before the outbreak of WWI, before the Balfour Declaration, before the Faisal-Weissman Agreement, and well before the Mandate of Palestine.

The Jews started terrorist organizations to protect their colonial project.

What is your point?

(COMMENT)

They were not "terrorist organizations," but security protection in the absences of effective police.

There was no such thing as a Jewish Colonial Project. The Jewish immigrants to Palestine were not colonial settlers of a foreign power.

This is just an image the Hostile Arab Palestinians use to justify their violent and aggressive Xenophobic behavior.

Most Respectfully,
R

Was bombing the King David hotel or assassinating Count Bernadotte your definition of "security protection" you nitwit?,

What an immature piece of shit you are. Rocco posts respectfully to everyone yet you resort to name calling even though he never said anything bad about you.

en.m.wikipedia.org/Wiki/Haganah

"Believing that they could not rely on the British administration for protection from the Arab gangs, the Jewish leadership created the Haganah to protect Jewish farms and Kibbutzim"

Monti, you are so brainwashed that there is no hope for you.

 

[RoccoR]

Androw, et al,

Thanks for the kind words.

I didn't know about Haganah, or Bar-Giora, or Hashnomer.

(SIDEBAR)

In contemporary terms, you actually do have some knowledge of the Haganah (and its sidekick called The Palmach created in 1941). Yitzhak Rabin [Prime Minister of Israel (1992 - 1995) · Prime Minister of Israel (1974 - 1977)], Ariel Sharon [Prime Minister of Israel (2001 - 2006) · Defense Minister of Israel (1981 - 1983)], Rehavam Ze'evi ( In 1964–1968, he served as Chief of the Department of Staff in the Israeli General Staff), Dov Hoz (From 1931–1940, he was a member of the National Haganah Command Center), Moshe Dayan (served as Minister of Defense and was a chief architect of the Camp David Accords), Yigal Allon (Commander of the Palmach, and General in the IDF) and many more were members of one or the other. Much of what was the best in the Haganah and Palmach, was folded over into the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) after armed bands, militia groups and paramilitary forces were ordered to disband by David Ben-Gurion and replaced by the IDF; Israel's first Prime Minister. Ben-Gurion was instrumental in the imprinting a policy of restraint on Haganah operations --- a policy of NO RETALIATION for Arab attacks against Jewish communities and settlements, focusing exclusively on the roll of self-defense.

As a little know piece of trivia, in 1944, the Haganah assisted the British Security Forces and Police arresting members of the Irgun and Lehi groups; largely a decision influenced by David Ben-Gurion.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Good Question.

Was bombing the King David hotel or assassinating Count Bernadotte your definition of "security protection" you nitwit?,

(COMMENT)

Both events are considered (historically) as terrorist acts.

• There is no question that David Ben-Gurion agreed in principle to Menachem Begin's 1946 plan to place a bomb in the King David Hotel (British administrative headquarters for Palestine). David Ben-Gurion wanted minimal casualties with the intention of embarrassing the British Military and Diplomatic Corps in-house. When it became known that Menachem Begin's (a LEHI) Plan was to inflict a high number of casualties, David Ben-Gurion told Menachem Begin to abort the operation. Menachem Begin would not comply. One of the reasons that the LEHI organization was disbanded.

• Similarly, in 1948 members of LEHI killed Count Folke Bernadotte, UN Peace Mediator, in protect of his attempt to modify the Palestine Partition Plan.

As I said in Posting #207, supra, "in unconventional and fourth generation warfare, where asymmetric forces are dominant and develop over time, there are strains that evolve to be uncontrolled and therefore a serious and unpredictable dangers."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

Oh dear Rocco. You have been found out and are responding as a child would. Grow up. The Jews were the terrorists in Palestine, the local people just wanted to be left alone and did not want t be invaded by Europeans.

 

[Hossfly]

Oh dear Rocco. You have been found out and are responding as a child would. Grow up. The Jews were the terrorists in Palestine, the local people just wanted to be left alone and did not want t be invaded by Europeans.

Why are you employing Turnspeak, Luigi?