Israel will obliterate Hamas and fully occupy Gaza

Zephaniah 2

King James Version

2 Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;
2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, before the day of the Lord's anger come upon you.
3 Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger.
4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up.
5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the Lordis against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.
6 And the sea coast shall be dwellings and cottages for shepherds, and folds for flocks.
7 And the coast shall be for the remnant of the house of Judah; they shall feed thereupon: in the houses of Ashkelon shall they lie down in the evening: for the Lord their God shall visit them, and turn away their captivity.
8 I have heard the reproach of Moab, and the revilings of the children of Ammon, whereby they have reproached my people, and magnified themselves against their border.
9 Therefore as I live, saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah, even the breeding of nettles, and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall spoil them, and the remnant of my people shall possess them.
10 This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified themselves against the people of the Lord of hosts.
11 The Lord will be terrible unto them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth; and men shall worship him, every one from his place, even all the isles of the heathen.
12 Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword.
13 And he will stretch out his hand against the north, and destroy Assyria; and will make Nineveh a desolation, and dry like a wilderness.
14 And flocks shall lie down in the midst of her, all the beasts of the nations: both the cormorant and the bittern shall lodge in the upper lintels of it; their voice shall sing in the windows; desolation shall be in the thresholds; for he shall uncover the cedar work.
15 This is the rejoicing city that dwelt carelessly, that said in her heart, I am, and there is none beside me: how is she become a desolation, a place for beasts to lie down in! every one that passeth by her shall hiss, and wag his hand.( Let us see if there is a repeat here prophecy being in three layers)
 

Zephaniah 2​

King James Version​

2 Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;
2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, before the day of the Lord's anger come upon you.
3 Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger.
4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up.
5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the Lordis against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.
6 And the sea coast shall be dwellings and cottages for shepherds, and folds for flocks.
7 And the coast shall be for the remnant of the house of Judah; they shall feed thereupon: in the houses of Ashkelon shall they lie down in the evening: for the Lord their God shall visit them, and turn away their captivity.
8 I have heard the reproach of Moab, and the revilings of the children of Ammon, whereby they have reproached my people, and magnified themselves against their border.
9 Therefore as I live, saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah, even the breeding of nettles, and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall spoil them, and the remnant of my people shall possess them.
10 This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified themselves against the people of the Lord of hosts.
11 The Lord will be terrible unto them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth; and men shall worship him, every one from his place, even all the isles of the heathen.
12 Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword.
13 And he will stretch out his hand against the north, and destroy Assyria; and will make Nineveh a desolation, and dry like a wilderness.
14 And flocks shall lie down in the midst of her, all the beasts of the nations: both the cormorant and the bittern shall lodge in the upper lintels of it; their voice shall sing in the windows; desolation shall be in the thresholds; for he shall uncover the cedar work.
15 This is the rejoicing city that dwelt carelessly, that said in her heart, I am, and there is none beside me: how is she become a desolation, a place for beasts to lie down in! every one that passeth by her shall hiss, and wag his hand.( Let us see if there is a repeat here prophecy being in three layers)

"Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword."

So, what does Ethiopia have to do with all this?

Sound like old Zephaniah was just in a real bad mood.
 
As I said - if one never tries one will never know.

Even more reason for Israel to find an agreeable solution

Small % - how would you know? the ones I have met and spoken to, in vast majority are peaceful people - waiting/praying/hoping for a peaceful solution.

I never said they are (I got far too many Israeli friends) - the majority of Israeli's are waiting/praying/hoping for a peaceful solution - it's just radical Zionists and radical Muslims that are interested in terrorizing and murdering.

Sound like you think Israel should let themselves become defenseless and rely on the good will of people that have never shown any sign of good will towards them.

Like I said, the Israelis aren't stupid.
 
"Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword."

So, what does Ethiopia have to do with all this?

Sound like old Zephaniah was just in a real bad mood.
Thankyou for bringing that up…The Jewish scriptures when they were translated into Greek and then other tongues mistakes were made and meanings were lost. In this instance it should not read Ethiopians but Cushites who were enemies of the Israelites and who usually along with Libyans and others fought in the armies of Egypt against Israel… Why is that pertinant today is because that area would now be considered Sudan..Sudan is somewhere around 97 per cent Muslim and earlier this century some 10 or so years ago were making missiles on their territory for Iran and her proxies such as Hamas these factories were bombed by someone( probably Israel) and they have probably continued to supply not just Hamas but the houthis in Yemen with more rockets that are then smuggled into their various destinations so the prophecy is current indeed if one starts to analyze it carefully…
 
There is factually no more West-Bank - see the map, and realize the factual issue and problem - with Palestinians aka the PLO being moderate. they simply end up losing everything.
Therefore, it doesn't come as a surprise that ONLY Gaza still exists - due to a non compromising Hamas

Having said that, I oppose and condemn any violence - no matter from which side. Organizations such as Hamas can only cease to exist if Israel finally corrects it's wrongdoings.

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Oh no not the stupid map again! More debunked IslamoNazi lies and propaganda. Roll it up and….


As in the map appearing at the top, small patches are labelled “Jewish land”; everything else is claimed as Palestinian. While the small patches may correspond reasonably accurately with the land then privately held by Jews, the rest of the map is a lie. The totality of the remaining area was not in any sense “Palestinian”, whether this refers to ownership, control, or even simply habitation.

Ottoman land ownership laws were complicated and the state of land registration chaotic under both the Ottomans and the British. But it is clear that only a very small percentage of land in Palestine was privately owned; the great majority was government land. While it is true that the Jews owned only a small percentage, the Arabs owned only slightly more. But that is not the impression this map seeks to convey.

This methodology continues past distortions. For example, a map prepared by the UN “Subcommittee on the Palestine Question” purporting to show land ownership by sub-districts in 1944 shows less than 1% Jewish ownership in the Beersheba district, and 99% non-Jewish. However as that 99% was government land it was also 99% non-Arab/non-Palestinian.

The map therefore dishonestly treats all significant tracts of “non-Jewish” land as Palestinian by default, even though Palestinian Arabs may have had little or no ownership, control or presence there. The Negev, for example, of which Beersheba is today the administrative capital, is largely rocky desert accounting for more than 50% of present-day Israel. Even today it is sparsely inhabited, yet it too is claimed as almost entirely “Palestinian land” in 1946.
 
Between 2012 and 2018, Netanyahu gave Qatar approval to transfer a cumulative sum of about a billion dollars to Gaza, at least half of which reached Hamas, including its military wing. According to the Jerusalem Post, in a private meeting with members of his Likud party on March 11, 2019, Netanyahu explained the reckless step as follows: The money transfer is part of the strategy to divide the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Anyone who opposes the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support the transfer of the money from Qatar to Hamas. In that way, we will foil the establishment of a Palestinian state (as reported in former cabinet member Haim Ramon’s Hebrew-language book “Neged Haruach”, p. 417).
And how many billions were sent to Arafat, whose wife has fled “Palestine” and hiding in France, and won’t send a single dime to their so called suffering people. Well it’s Beoble for you.
 
I don't know what you are talking about. I do not support Hamas and do not live in Palestine.

And yes, I hope Hamas gets obliterated. If you read my post again, you might understand what I was trying to say.

If you want to obliterate the Palestinians from the world, then you are supporting genocide. Two wrongs do not make one right. Sorry if that's not what you meant.
They could depopulate all of the Gaza strip and there still will be Palestinians-in the West Bank. :D
 
Oh no not the stupid map again! More debunked IslamoNazi lies and propaganda. Roll it up and….
Bullshit and right-out lying - anyone familiar or learned about Jewish/Zionists knows who the Australian organization AIJAC is, and the people who run it.
E.g. Mark Leibler the National chairman of this organization - who is also e.g. a proponent of "The Voice" in Australia - a referendum that was rejected by 65% of the Australians. So much for your quoted article.

The absolute "hilarious" part of this article is the fact, that after all the unsubstantiated blah, blah - the map shown by Zionist AIJAC as 2007 - is ABSOLUTELY identical with the "disputed" map - showing the present land control/distribution between Israelis and Palestinians. The entire Zionist bullshit article merely tried to point out the abstruse and well known Zionist thought and propaganda - there was no Palestinian-Arab State - aka no Palestinian political representation in 1947 - therefore only Israel has a right to exist. Anyone with a brain (not you) knows that there was no Palestinian-Arab State - nor an Israeli State in 1947 - but that the Zionist Jews ENFORCED their own state in 1948, whilst driving out 90% of the Palestinian-Arab population.

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Your article starts straight off with the lie, that these maps depicts "land ownership" - The UN Partition plan of 1947 - and the thus resulting "maps" had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Landownership - but solely POPULATION distribution between Jews and others.

Now how did those Jews become landowners and how many of those Jews owned land?

Everyone with education and a proficient history knowledge knows that Palestine was owned and ruled by the Ottoman Empire for around 400 years. Thus the "Land" was also owned and ruled by the Ottoman Empire aka government according to the Millet system. From 1856 onward the Millet system was reformed by the Tanzimat system, thus Jews and non-Muslims were allowed to purchase additional property or land from the Ottoman administration governing e.g. Palestine.

Otherwise - how could the Zionist have offered £ 20 Million in 1902 to the Ottoman government - to purchase an "autonomous" Jewish homeland in SINAI. This was rejected by the Ottomans - thus in 1903 the British government offered 6,000 square miles of uninhabited land "UGANDA" for Jewish settlement. Edmond de Rothschild had acquired "private" land property from the Ottomans in 1904, which he made available to Jewish settlers that started to come in after the failed 1905 Russian revolution - By 1914 approx 75,000 Jews now lived in Palestine in the urban areas (renting apartments or maybe purchasing apartments and houses (not Land) - amongst 840,000 others. Additionally around 15,000 Jewish settlers, had created around 34 Jewish settlements on Rothschild land.

Upon the UN Mandate deceleration in 1922 - appointing Britain as the Mandate authority - the British administration started to additionally sell land to Jewish settlers - it was therefore solely the British that simply decided by themselves, which former Ottoman controlled/owned Palestinian lands - settled for 1400 years by Palestinian-Arabs, were to be sold to e.g. Jews. (without ever involving the Palestinian-Arabs who already lived on those lands).

By 1935 around 270,000 Jews (20% of the total Palestine population) were living in Palestine - of these around 80,000 were settlers, thus causing the Arab revolt of 1936–39. Therefore Britain placed restrictions on Jewish immigration in 1939. The new restrictions were violently opposed by Zionist terrorist groups such as the Stern Gang and Irgun, which committed acts of terrorism and assassination against the British and Palestinian-Arabs and organized illegal Jewish immigration to Palestine.

It is therefore undoubtedly proven that Jews - kicked off terrorism in Palestine via organized terrorist groups - NOT Palestinian Arabs.

These "illegal" immigrants - had not bought land - but simply settled onto land already owned by Jews - see. e.g. the Rothschild lands in Palestine or became squatters in the urban areas.
By 1948 around 600,000 illegal Jews had additionally come in - thus creating a population distribution of around 830,000 Jews to 1.5 million others. Then declared an independent Jewish state called Israel in 1948 and immediately began driving out around 1 million Palestinian-Arabs from their homes. Which completely adds up, taking into account that of those 1.5 million others, around 230,000 were Christians and around 250,000 were Arab-Bedouins.

It is solely the Zionists who continuously bring in the fake statement of "Landownership" in regards to Palestine - knowing that only 15,000 Jews lived in Palestine (incl. today's Jordan and southern Lebanon) amongst 750,000 others in 1890. And that around 600,000 Jews out of around 830,000 Jews in 1948 did not posses any land - but were illegal squatters without land.

BTW, the atrocious Hamas terrorist attack followed exactly the Zionist terrorist principle - create atrocious terror, in order to drive out others - presently resulting in around 80,000+ Jewish settlers, fleeing the Gaza envelop. and in total around 200,000+ Israeli's having left their homes.

Hamas destroyed their Zionist utopia. What would it take for Jews to return?

You are obviously an idiotic Zionist - therefore logically only spreading Zionist bull and lies.
 
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Take a good look at this map. The darker grey area is where the PLO lived while the rest is controlled by Israel. This was what was supposed to be the 2 states. Then the 2007 map shows where Israel has taken over much of the West Bank. But to prevent a huge problem of Hamas fighting a bloody battle with the PLO, the Gaza Strip was created. I can go into a whole ton of whatifs but, needless to say, Hamas is a Terrorist Organization and needs to be wiped out.

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But using that information, the Israelites needs to get out of the West Bank and shut down the Gaza Strip. Allow the PLO types to move to lands preserved for them. Then have the EU setup the PLO to govern themselves including the influx of the peaceful people from HAMAs. Then have Israel and the newly formed Palestine to outlaw the HAMAS completely. When HAMAS raises it's head, chop it off.

This will greatly iron out the PLO, Jordan, Saudi and most of the others into cooperating with the newly formed Palestine Country as well as Israel. It should have been done in the early 60s as was promised.

Israel is NOT in the right on this one. They have the ability to end this war just by allowing the PLO to create their own country in the boundaries of my map where Israel must get their citizens out of it and to help move the peaceful Palestinians to the West Bank. It's only about 60 years past doing.
 

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Take a good look at this map. The darker grey area is where the PLO lived while the rest is controlled by Israel. This was what was supposed to be the 2 states. Then the 2007 map shows where Israel has taken over much of the West Bank. But to prevent a huge problem of Hamas fighting a bloody battle with the PLO, the Gaza Strip was created. I can go into a whole ton of whatifs but, needless to say, Hamas is a Terrorist Organization and needs to be wiped out.

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But using that information, the Israelites needs to get out of the West Bank and shut down the Gaza Strip. Allow the PLO types to move to lands preserved for them. Then have the EU setup the PLO to govern themselves including the influx of the peaceful people from HAMAs. Then have Israel and the newly formed Palestine to outlaw the HAMAS completely. When HAMAS raises it's head, chop it off.

This will greatly iron out the PLO, Jordan, Saudi and most of the others into cooperating with the newly formed Palestine Country as well as Israel. It should have been done in the early 60s as was promised.

Israel is NOT in the right on this one. They have the ability to end this war just by allowing the PLO to create their own country in the boundaries of my map where Israel must get their citizens out of it and to help move the peaceful Palestinians to the West Bank. It's only about 60 years past doing.
Basically you are correct in your assumptions and statement - specifically in regards to Hamas & Co - there isn't just Hamas in Gaza.

The problem is the fact that there are around 12 million Palestinians spread after 1948 into the Middle east. Another 2-3 million are spread all over the world.
The West-Bank IMO is far too small to behold and "economically sustain" 6-10 million Palestinians that might want to live there - also the West-Bank territory is a landlocked territory with no access to any sea-route.

IMO the Palestinians will always point out towards the 1947 UN partition plan - and that behold a vast territory that Israel (especially Zionist) now claim to be theirs. if there is to be a "peace" a partition needs to look entirely different from the UN 1947 Plan - e.g. a kind of almost horizontal cut through today's Israel and the West-Bank. And then e.g. the Northern Part to Israel and the Southern-Part to the Palestinians - however large Gas&oil reserves have been located near and around the Gaza Strip !!

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Basically you are correct in your assumptions and statement - specifically in regards to Hamas & Co - there isn't just Hamas in Gaza.

The problem is the fact that there are around 12 million Palestinians spread after 1948 into the Middle east. Another 2-3 million are spread all over the world.
The West-Bank IMO is far too small to behold and "economically sustain" 6-10 million Palestinians that might want to live there - also the West-Bank territory is a landlocked territory with no access to any sea-route.

IMO the Palestinians will always point out towards the 1947 UN partition plan - and that behold a vast territory that Israel (especially Zionist) now claim to be theirs. if there is to be a "peace" a partition needs to look entirely different from the UN 1947 Plan - e.g. a kind of almost horizontal cut through today's Israel and the West-Bank. And then e.g. the Northern Part to Israel and the Southern-Part to the Palestinians - however large Gas&oil reserves have been located near and around the Gaza Strip !!

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Looking at your map, it would be suicidal for the Israelis to agree that that. Realistically, never going to happen.

As for being land locked, there are dozens of nation that are landlocked and doing just fine. Yes, they depend on their no landlocked neighbors but if you are shooting them, kidnapping them and launching all sorts of ordinance into their neighborhoods, don't look for much cooperation

Now, about those PLOs that live outside of the West Bank, they decided to move on their own for whatever the reason. I have a part Irish in me and if all the Irish were to move back to Ireland, Ireland would sink into the ocean. So I celebrate my heritage and stay in America.
 
Take a good look at this map. The darker grey area is where the PLO lived while the rest is controlled by Israel. This was what was supposed to be the 2 states. Then the 2007 map shows where Israel has taken over much of the West Bank. But to prevent a huge problem of Hamas fighting a bloody battle with the PLO, the Gaza Strip was created. I can go into a whole ton of whatifs but, needless to say, Hamas is a Terrorist Organization and needs to be wiped out.

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But using that information, the Israelites needs to get out of the West Bank and shut down the Gaza Strip. Allow the PLO types to move to lands preserved for them. Then have the EU setup the PLO to govern themselves including the influx of the peaceful people from HAMAs. Then have Israel and the newly formed Palestine to outlaw the HAMAS completely. When HAMAS raises it's head, chop it off.

This will greatly iron out the PLO, Jordan, Saudi and most of the others into cooperating with the newly formed Palestine Country as well as Israel. It should have been done in the early 60s as was promised.

Israel is NOT in the right on this one. They have the ability to end this war just by allowing the PLO to create their own country in the boundaries of my map where Israel must get their citizens out of it and to help move the peaceful Palestinians to the West Bank. It's only about 60 years past doing.
Another hoax promulgation. Non of that land ever belonged to the mythical people who decided to call themselves Palestinians circa 1960’s, and there was never a sovereign country or nation called Palestine at anytime that these fake maps are dated. :rofl:
 
Basically you are correct in your assumptions and statement - specifically in regards to Hamas & Co - there isn't just Hamas in Gaza.

The problem is the fact that there are around 12 million Palestinians spread after 1948 into the Middle east. Another 2-3 million are spread all over the world.
The West-Bank IMO is far too small to behold and "economically sustain" 6-10 million Palestinians that might want to live there - also the West-Bank territory is a landlocked territory with no access to any sea-route.

IMO the Palestinians will always point out towards the 1947 UN partition plan - and that behold a vast territory that Israel (especially Zionist) now claim to be theirs. if there is to be a "peace" a partition needs to look entirely different from the UN 1947 Plan - e.g. a kind of almost horizontal cut through today's Israel and the West-Bank. And then e.g. the Northern Part to Israel and the Southern-Part to the Palestinians - however large Gas&oil reserves have been located near and around the Gaza Strip !!

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These terrosist lover sure love their fake maps. Arab Palestine aka Transjordan was supposed to be what is today Jordan, Jewish Palestine was supposed to be the entirety of what is today called Israel minus the Arab squatters.

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Another hoax promulgation. Non of that land ever belonged to the mythical people who decided to call themselves Palestinians circa 1960’s, and there was never a sovereign country or nation called Palestine at anytime that these fake maps are dated. :rofl:

Before 1776, no nation existed called the United States of America either.

Here is a question for you. What country was formed by any religion in itself other than that of the Muslim world? And how were the countries in the middle east and northern Africa created? Funny how the Romans and the Ottomans recognized a place called Palestine. Palestine predates even the creation of the muslim world as does Israel. They both shared the same ground since the creation of both. And they did it peacefully.

You really need to learn about what you talk about. You are embarrassing.
 
Realistically, never going to happen.
Very likely not - since Israel under Zionist rule is never going to give the Palestinians anything.
As for being land locked, there are dozens of nation that are landlocked and doing just fine. Yes, they depend on their no landlocked neighbors but if you are shooting them, kidnapping them and launching all sorts of ordinance into their neighborhoods, don't look for much cooperation
There are AFAIK no landlocked countries in existence that haven't been landlocked for a 100 years and more - (like Switzerland) that had hundreds of years to develop an according economy - furthermore if Israel has ports, one can't deny them to a Palestine State and simply expect them to accept such a proposal.
Now, about those PLOs that live outside of the West Bank, they decided to move on their own for whatever the reason. I have a part Irish in me and if all the Irish were to move back to Ireland, Ireland would sink into the ocean. So I celebrate my heritage and stay in America.
Those Immigrants to the US - like your e.g. Greatgrandpa all became US citizens (more or less upon arrival) They also had voluntarily decided to move away from e.g. Ireland or e.g. Germany to the USA, they weren't forced away to live somewhere in exile.

The vast majority of Palestinians living in the neighboring countries and elsewhere (e.g. around 300,000 in Germany) do not possess their host countries citizenship - mainly due to the nonrecognition of a Palestinian State by the UN. According to a German parliamentarian commission and it's findings in 2018, around 7,5 million Palestinians in the immediate neighborhood do not posses a citizenship.

The only maybe realistic solution (aside from either Israelis or Palestinians setting up shop in e.g. the USA or e.g. Australia) is a State-Union between Palestinian-Arabs (West-Bank) and the Bedouin-Arabs of Jordan. This went already bad in 1970 - but maybe things are more relaxed between the two nowadays.

It would also remedy the catastrophic decision by the Brits to separate the British Palestine in 1946 into a sovereign Kingdom of Jordan - whilst doing nothing for the remaining 1,4 million Palestinian-Arabs in British-Palestine.
 
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These terrosist lover sure love their fake maps. Arab Palestine aka Transjordan was supposed to be what is today Jordan, Jewish Palestine was supposed to be the entirety of what is today called Israel minus the Arab squatters.

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Your FANTASY map - dated 1922 - is showing the occupied Golan Heights as a supposed part of Jewish State.

The site from which you got this "Fantasy" map is called "israelyycool.com" owned by David Lange:

David Lange, is a well known Anti-Palestinian Extremist and Islamophobic racist...


It's site scribbler: Varda Epstein:
A third-generation-born Pittsburgher on her mother’s mother’s side, Varda moved to Israel 36 years ago and is a crazy political animal who spams people with right wing political articles on Facebook.

“An obscure extremist website” – Roger Waters

“..a racist site” – rapper Talib Kweli Greene

“IsraellyCool is not a reliable source for anything but Islamophobia. Hasbara.” – former CNN journalist Jim Clancy

“..right-wing blogger” – Ben Ehrenreich, NY Times

“..prominent blog which has close ties to the Israeli army and functions as an outlet for its anti-Palestinian propaganda” – Ali Abuminah, The Electronic Intifada

“..the notorious Israellycool.com, which gently skips between right-wing rants against Islam, posts about science fiction and – what else? – blogs about the Eurovision song contest.” –
Tim Jonze, The Guardian

You are a confirmed idiotic Zionist - therefore logically only spreading Zionist bull and lies.
Thanks for your confirmation
 
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Before 1776, no nation existed called the United States of America either.

Here is a question for you. What country was formed by any religion in itself other than that of the Muslim world? And how were the countries in the middle east and northern Africa created? Funny how the Romans and the Ottomans recognized a place called Palestine. Palestine predates even the creation of the muslim world as does Israel. They both shared the same ground since the creation of both. And they did it peacefully.

You really need to learn about what you talk about. You are embarrassing.
Ottomans didn’t recognize a region called Palestine. You are reciting Hamas history books. The Ottomans called it southern Syria. And that was the name of the region for 600 years before WWI. Moreover the Ottomans invited Jews escaping the crusades and inquisitions in Spain, Portugal and elsewhere in Europe to come settle in Israel, because considered it the Jewish holyland, and as the Koran says so. The Ottomans or even the Arabs never recognized a Palestine or Palestinian people.
 
Your FANTASY map - dated 1922 - is showing the occupied Golan Heights as a supposed part of Jewish State.

The site from which you got this "Fantasy" map is called "israelyycool.com" owned by David Lange:

David Lange, is a well known Anti-Palestinian Extremist and Islamophobic racist...

It's site scribbler:
Varda Epstein:
A third-generation-born Pittsburgher on her mother’s mother’s side, Varda moved to Israel 36 years ago and is a crazy political animal who spams people with right wing political articles on Facebook.

“An obscure extremist website” – Roger Waters

“..a racist site” – rapper Talib Kweli Greene

“IsraellyCool is not a reliable source for anything but Islamophobia. Hasbara.” – former CNN journalist Jim Clancy

“..right-wing blogger” – Ben Ehrenreich, NY Times

“..prominent blog which has close ties to the Israeli army and functions as an outlet for its anti-Palestinian propaganda” – Ali Abuminah, The Electronic Intifada

“..the notorious Israellycool.com, which gently skips between right-wing rants against Islam, posts about science fiction and – what else? – blogs about the Eurovision song contest.” –
Tim Jonze, The Guardian

You are a confirmed idiotic Zionist - therefore logically only spreading Zionist bull and lies.
Thanks for your confirmation
Ha ha ha. Roger Waters, Hocaust denying Leftist NY Times, Electronic intifada. What great sources.

That was the official proposal put forth by the British 1922, who controlled the region. There was never even a Jordan and the time.

“The 1916 Sykes-Picot Agreement envisioned the establishment of mandates for France (Lebanon and Syria) and Britain (Palestine and Iraq). As a reward for help in defeating the Ottomans, the son of Sharif Hussein of the Hashemite dynasty was installed by the British as the ruler of Syria. The French, however, expelled him in 1921 and the British made Faisal bin Hussein the king of Iraq the following year.

The Hashemites had earlier been expelled from the Hejaz, what is now Saudi Arabia, and the Saudis would fear for many years afterward they might try to return and expel the Wahhabis ruling the country.

According to Frank Jacobs, “Faisal bin Hussein was on his way to help his brother Abdullah in Syria when Winston Churchill implored him to renege, using the prospect of a crushing defeat by the French as stick, and the promise of Abdullah’s own dynasty as carrot.”

Winston Churchill said that “with the stroke of a pen one Sunday afternoon in Cairo” in 1921 he created the British mandate of Transjordan, now known as the Kingdom of Jordan. Apparently, having been drinking that day, the colonial secretary’s penmanship was wobbly, “allegedly producing a particularly erratic borderline.” The resulting zigzag that delineates the border between Jordan and Saudi Arabia is sometimes referred to as “Winston’s Hiccup” or “Churchill’s Sneeze.”

“The British,” Jacobs notes, “saw Transjordan’s value mainly as a transit zone between Palestine and Iraq, but also as part of an air corridor (back when flights were relatively short and refuelings many) between Britain and India.” The location of the Eastern border between Transjordan and Iraq was also considered strategic with respect to the proposed construction of what became the Kirkuk–Haifa oil pipeline.

Transjordan, so-called because of its position on the east side of the Jordan River, was originally part of the British Mandate for Palestine created at the San Remo Conference in 1920. That mandate had recognized the Balfour Declaration, which envisioned that a Jewish national home would be created in all of Palestine.”
 
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Very likely not - since Israel under Zionist rule is never going to give the Palestinians anything.

Constitution of the United States should be rescinded since the Brits refused to allow self governing?

There are AFAIK no landlocked countries in existence that haven't been landlocked for a 100 years and more - (like Switzerland) that had hundreds of years to develop an according economy -

It's called Teething Problems. Every child and every country goes through it.


furthermore if Israel has ports, one can't deny them to a Palestine State and simply expect them to accept such a proposal.

You are correct. One can't and expect not to have a war on their hands. Can you imagine Luxemburg not being allowed to use the various German waterways? Since they were never refused, they continue to ship through the ports and also to other
EU nations.

A big portion of the problem with the Ukrainian War is the port at Sevastopol for the Russians. Before 2014, the Ukrainians did not refuse Russia the use of that port for their cargo and Black Sea Fleet. But the Russians have refused Ukraine from using that port. Luckily, Ukraine has other minor ports to ship from but the lack of Sevastopol shipping has harmed them a bit. Since Russia has taken Crimea, locked it down and refused to negotiate with Ukraine then both sides are committed to war against each other.

It doesn't take to being Israeli and Muslim to refuse enough to start a war. And greed is not just a Zionist trait.

Those Immigrants to the US - like your e.g. Greatgrandpa all became US citizens (more or less upon arrival) They also had voluntarily decided to move away from e.g. Ireland or e.g. Germany to the USA, they weren't forced away to live somewhere in exile.

Yet, when it comes to financially supporting the Irish Independence, they are still Irish.


The vast majority of Palestinians living in the neighboring countries and elsewhere (e.g. around 300,000 in Germany) do not possess their host countries citizenship - mainly due to the nonrecognition of a Palestinian State by the UN. According to a German parliamentarian commission and it's findings in 2018, around 7,5 million Palestinians in the immediate neighborhood do not posses a citizenship.

You refuse them their own country and place a militarily superior force to stop them from having that freedom. I laid out a program so that everyone gets what they want with very few negatives. Since you would rather the war to continue and to blame it on the "Zionists" then that war will continue since the expected outcome would be the total destruction of the country Israel.


The only maybe realistic solution (aside from either Israelis or Palestinians setting up shop in e.g. the USA or e.g. Australia) is a State-Union between Palestinian-Arabs (West-Bank) and the Bedouin-Arabs of Jordan. This went already bad in 1970 - but maybe things are more relaxed between the two nowadays.
Jordan already supports the West Bank. But has reluctantly refused support for Hamas. Same goes for Egypt and other Muslim Nations. Here is a part of the Hamas "Constitution",

19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, Judaization or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse

The area that Hamas claims is, pretty much, all of Israel. And since they are a Military Terrorist Active Group then they don't think one bit about restraint in how they do it.

Meanwhile, the PLO are willing to work with Israel to set up the west bank as Palestine. And MOST Arab and Muslim nations now recognize Israel's right to exist.

It would also remedy the catastrophic decision by the Brits to separate the British Palestine in 1946 into a sovereign Kingdom of Jordan - whilst doing nothing for the remaining 1,4 million Palestinian-Arabs in British-Palestine.

The Brits just drew lines and proclaimed that those nations existed. And that included Israel. it would have also included Palestine had they won the war of 1947. The Israelis met the UNs requirements and was established. The Palestinians lost that war even with almost the rest of the world supporting a military and financial freeze of Israel. But we don't celebrate failures like the Bristish carving up the Middle East.
 
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