Israel will obliterate Hamas and fully occupy Gaza

[Kruska]

That mandate had recognized the Balfour Declaration, which envisioned that a Jewish national home would be created in all of Palestine.”

You are a confirmed idiotic Zionist - therefore logically only spreading Zionist bull and lies.
Thanks for your confirmation

 

[Roudy]

You are a confirmed idiotic Zionist - therefore logically only spreading Zionist bull and lies.
Thanks for your confirmation

…typical Jew hater response, when confronted with the ignorance, stupidity and fallacy of their assertions. Very entertaining.

 

[Kruska]

Constitution of the United States should be rescinded since the Brits refused to allow self governing?

The European settlers won the war against Britain - therefore they were free to do whatever they wanted, incl. declaring an independent and sovereign USA. In 1814 Britain's & the USA's, 2nd war confrontation ended. I don't get your comparison.

It's called Teething Problems. Every child and every country goes through it.

If e.g. Britain would declare - the entire coastline of Northern-Ireland, with a depth of 40km belongs to English settlers and the rest (a land locked country) can become an independent North-Ireland - you believe that would be a.) fair? and b.) the IRA or Sinn Féin would accept such a solution? A State Union with Ireland might make it feasible/acceptable - just as a State-Union between the Palestinian West-Bank and the Kingdom of Jordan. A sovereign landlocked N-Ireland solution, IMO certainly not.

A "lasting" peace can't be obtained and hoped for, if the proposal is already at fault, aka perceived to be unfair by one side.

A big portion of the problem with the Ukrainian War is the port at Sevastopol for the Russians. Before 2014, the Ukrainians did not refuse Russia the use of that port for their cargo and Black Sea Fleet. But the Russians have refused Ukraine from using that port. Luckily, Ukraine has other minor ports to ship from but the lack of Sevastopol shipping has harmed them a bit. Since Russia has taken Crimea, locked it down and refused to negotiate with Ukraine then both sides are committed to war against each other.

The leased Russian Sevastopol naval base wasn't an issue before 2008 - since both countries were "economic and military partners" according to the CIS creation agreement of 1991. From 2008 onward it became evident for Russia that this CIS statute wasn't going to last - since the Ukraine had stated its intention to gain NATO membership in 2008 - thus bringing the CIS creation agreement into limbo, but still benefiting economically from the CIS Charter. Due to the intensifying NATO issue, Putin decided to act - aka attack and occupy Sevastopol and Crimea in 2014.
Nothing really to do with the Palestine - Israel issue.

I laid out a program so that everyone gets what they want with very few negatives.

I don't believe that the Palestinians want or will agree towards a landlocked country - whilst Israel enjoys it's beaches and ports "on former Palestinian-Arab settled lands" - that's all I am saying.

Since you would rather the war to continue and to blame it on the "Zionists" then that war will continue since the expected outcome would be the total destruction of the country Israel.

I don't see as to why an e.g. horizontally divided Israel, or a West-Bank union with Jordan would contribute towards the destruction of the remaining "new Israel", any more then the present situation.

The Arab states plus Egypt and Iran never gave a shit about the Palestinian-Arabs and their plight - they simply use it to keep up the tensions with Israel. All of them were/are only "united" in regards to destroying, or keeping Israel down, or preventing further Zionist expansionist intentions, especially towards Gaza and the West-Bank.

Meanwhile countries like Egypt have acknowledge Israels right to exist - and others such as Jordan, Saudi-Arabia, UAE etc. have a far more moderate approach to the subject. Off course as long as Israel keeps up attacking and bombing other sovereign states like Syria - e.g. Iran will make it's best effort to exploit that issue, and the Muslim population in any Muslim country will go on a rampage. Therefore automatically destabilizing any Muslim countries government - You think the Zionists don't know that??

Jordan already supports the West Bank. But has reluctantly refused support for Hamas. Same goes for Egypt and other Muslim Nations. Here is a part of the Hamas "Constitution",

19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, Judaization or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse

The area that Hamas claims is, pretty much, all of Israel. And since they are a Military Terrorist Active Group then they don't think one bit about restraint in how they do it.

Hamas goals and policy are known - therefore their military wing needs to be disabled (simply disarmed) and their political leaders isolated and intl. arrest warrants issued. However NOT by the IDF, but by a UN force. And a UN force will never be constituted without a clarification of the Palestinian-refugee issue. One problem (Hamas) needs to be solved in accordance with the other problem (Palestinian)

But we don't celebrate failures like the Bristish carving up the Middle East.

It isn't being celebrated - but unconditionally supported by e.g. the USA and the EU. - and that is exactly as to what makes the Zionist faction "unwilling" to compromise or solving the situation in earnest.

 

[Kruska]

…typical Jew hater response, when confronted with the ignorance, stupidity and fallacy of their assertions. Very entertaining.

You are a confirmed idiotic Zionist - therefore logically only spreading Zionist bull and lies.
Thanks for your repeated confirmations

 

[Vrenn]

The European settlers won the war against Britain - therefore they were free to do whatever they wanted, incl. declaring an independent and sovereign USA. In 1814 Britain's & the USA's, 2nd war confrontation ended. I don't get your comparison.

Of course you don't.

If e.g. Britain would declare - the entire coastline of Northern-Ireland, with a depth of 40km belongs to English settlers and the rest (a land locked country) can become an independent North-Ireland - you believe that would be a.) fair? and b.) the IRA or Sinn Féin would accept such a solution? A State Union with Ireland might make it feasible/acceptable - just as a State-Union between the Palestinian West-Bank and the Kingdom of Jordan. A sovereign landlocked N-Ireland solution, IMO certainly not.

Again, being a landlocked country shouldn't be a problem unless you are blowing up the other guy at every chance you get.

A "lasting" peace can't be obtained and hoped for, if the proposal is already at fault, aka perceived to be unfair by one side.

In 1967, the UN presented the map as I have. But it has been trashed. The rest of the world are supporting both sides. We need to stop doing that until they can sit down at the table and accept the compromise. But you won't support that. And until the rest of the world stop supporting both sides on the agreement that as soon as they come to a peaceful solution, the support stops.

The leased Russian Sevastopol naval base wasn't an issue before 2008 - since both countries were "economic and military partners" according to the CIS creation agreement of 1991. From 2008 onward it became evident for Russia that this CIS statute wasn't going to last - since the Ukraine had stated its intention to gain NATO

It's Ukraine's choice. Russia (Putin) lies. It's not about security, it's about economy. And Russia is in the process of committing a total wipeout of Ukraine even with reeducating the children and outlawing the Ukrainian language. There is a word for that. Hamas also operates inside that word.

membership in 2008 - thus bringing the CIS creation agreement into limbo, but still benefiting economically from the CIS Charter. Due to the intensifying NATO issue, Putin decided to act - aka attack and occupy Sevastopol and Crimea in 2014.
Nothing really to do with the Palestine - Israel issue.

They didn't just occupy Crimea, they also took a huge swath of land in what was left of Crimea. Instead of saying, okay, we made our point, they decided to eliminate Ukraine completely. Just like Hamas is trying to do with Israel.

I don't believe that the Palestinians want or will agree towards a landlocked country - whilst Israel enjoys it's beaches and ports "on former Palestinian-Arab settled lands" - that's all I am saying.

The idea that attacking the same person that they refuse to followup on any shipping . The rest of us can force it to happen. Enough of the terrorist crap from Hamas and the retaliation by Israel is crap.

I don't see as to why an e.g. horizontally divided Israel, or a West-Bank union with Jordan would contribute towards the destruction of the remaining "new Israel", any more then the present situation.

The Arab states plus Egypt and Iran never gave a shit about the Palestinian-Arabs and their plight - they simply use it to keep up the tensions with Israel. All of them were/are only "united" in regards to destroying, or keeping Israel down, or preventing further Zionist expansionist intentions, especially towards Gaza and the West-Bank.

Meanwhile countries like Egypt have acknowledge Israels right to exist - and others such as Jordan, Saudi-Arabia, UAE etc. have a far more moderate approach to the subject. Off course as long as Israel keeps up attacking and bombing other sovereign states like Syria - e.g. Iran will make it's best effort to exploit that issue, and the Muslim population in any Muslim country will go on a rampage. Therefore automatically destabilizing any Muslim countries government - You think the Zionists don't know that??

Hamas goals and policy are known - therefore their military wing needs to be disabled (simply disarmed) and their political leaders isolated and intl. arrest warrants issued. However NOT by the IDF, but by a UN force. And a UN force will never be constituted without a clarification of the Palestinian-refugee issue. One problem (Hamas) needs to be solved in accordance with the other problem (Palestinian)

It isn't being celebrated - but unconditionally supported by e.g. the USA and the EU. - and that is exactly as to what makes the Zionist faction "unwilling" to compromise or solving the situation in earnest.

 

[Roudy]

You are a confirmed idiotic Zionist - therefore logically only spreading Zionist bull and lies.
Thanks for your repeated confirmations

 

[Kruska]

Of course you don't.

Because your US-Britain "constitution" comparison simply doesn't make sense.

Again, being a landlocked country shouldn't be a problem unless you are blowing up the other guy at every chance you get.

If one is one-sided aka is only concerned about Israels interests - then such a statement will naturally come in.

The Peel plan in 1937 and the Anglo-American plan of 1945 (basically the same) would have made sense - Palestinian objections towards the Peel Commission - especially in regards to the setup of the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) were simply ignored. The Peel-Commissionaires plan was rejected by the British government in 1938 - not by the Palestinians. The Peel plan more or less preempts my "horizontal division" suggestion.

As early as 1915, Britain had promised the Emir of Mecca, Ḥusayn ibn ‘Alī al-Hāshimī, that Palestine would be a part of an independent Arab state that would arise after World War I. This commitment was given by Henry McMahon, British Commissioner in Egypt during the war and in the name of His Majesty’s government.

The Balfour Deceleration of 1917 was therefore in breach and contradictory to the 1915 promise. From that point onward, everything went wrong.

The Peel Commission Report of 1937 and the Origins of the Partition Concept

The vision of peace through compromise and partition endures in the spirit of the Peel Commission’s proposed solution.

jcpa.org

They didn't just occupy Crimea, they also took a huge swath of land in what was left of Crimea.

??? the Russians occupied ALL of the Crimean peninsula in 2014 - what Crimean leftover did they take additionally?

 

[Roudy]

The Invention of the Palestinian People

From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

In actual fact, the deliberate creation of the “Palestinian people” as a discrete entity in 1967, and the political group known as the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1964 was for the political purpose of destroying a sovereign and legally mandated Jewish state.

Till that point in time, nor, it will be shown, after that time, was there ever ANY sense or mention of a “Palestinian” people or nation.

 

[Vrenn]

Because your US-Britain "constitution" comparison simply doesn't make sense.

If one is one-sided aka is only concerned about Israels interests - then such a statement will naturally come in.

The Peel plan in 1937 and the Anglo-American plan of 1945 (basically the same) would have made sense - Palestinian objections towards the Peel Commission - especially in regards to the setup of the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) were simply ignored. The Peel-Commissionaires plan was rejected by the British government in 1938 - not by the Palestinians. The Peel plan more or less preempts my "horizontal division" suggestion.

As early as 1915, Britain had promised the Emir of Mecca, Ḥusayn ibn ‘Alī al-Hāshimī, that Palestine would be a part of an independent Arab state that would arise after World War I. This commitment was given by Henry McMahon, British Commissioner in Egypt during the war and in the name of His Majesty’s government.

The Balfour Deceleration of 1917 was therefore in breach and contradictory to the 1915 promise. From that point onward, everything went wrong.

The Peel Commission Report of 1937 and the Origins of the Partition Concept

The vision of peace through compromise and partition endures in the spirit of the Peel Commission’s proposed solution.

jcpa.org

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??? the Russians occupied ALL of the Crimean peninsula in 2014 - what Crimean leftover did they take additionally?

Are you ready to learn? If you are, please tell me. I used to have a Teachers Certificate. If not, keep going like you are and Gracie is waiting.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Vrenn]

Lemme guess, the 2020 election was a fraud too.

 

[Kruska]

Are you ready to learn? If you are, please tell me. I used to have a Teachers Certificate. If not, keep going like you are and Gracie is waiting.

You bring up a totally irrelevant and defective comparison - and then try to highlight your teachers qualification?
You must have created a lot of very confused and misguided kids during those teaching days of yours.

 

[Roudy]

That’s because Europe has been invaded by millions of Muslims, who have brought with them their backwards ass culture and bigotries, and European governments are now being held hostage to them. Duh.

 

[ESay]

1967, the UN presented the map as I have. But it has been trashed. The rest of the world are supporting both sides. We need to stop doing that until they can sit down at the table and accept the compromise. But you won't support that. And until the rest of the world stop supporting both sides on the agreement that as soon as they come to a peaceful solution, the support stops

What map are you talking about here?

 

[Vrenn]

What map are you talking about here?

REview my earlier posts. Or are you just playing "Stupid" which is NOT an adequate debating system but many thinks it is.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

The Slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement:​

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[ESay]

REview my earlier posts. Or are you just playing "Stupid" which is NOT an adequate debating system but many thinks it is.

Thanks, but it seemed much easier for you to post the map again, than me 'scrolling up' the thread. But okay, no means no.

 

[toobfreak]

It will take time. They will be eliminated like the cockroaches that they are.

Let's hope so. When it gets to the point of what Hamas did to the Israeli people deliberately planning and commissioning unprovoked unspeakable atrocities upon children, without warning as well, for the--- how many times now that even their military wall cannot protect them---

---it has gone past the consideration of all humanitarian considerations except where they do not impede the total, unfettered destruction of the Hamas/Iranian Terror Machine.

The sad fact that Hamas did not care about is that there are casualties in every war, including, this time--- themselves.