Israel violates international law

[Phoenall]

it did no such thing and you have never shown were any un document states that palestine is recognised to the non existent '67 borders. All you ever produce is the press release of the palestinians spokesperson that is not acceptance of the '67 borders at all.

The State of Palestine was declared by the Palestinians on November 15th, 1988.

The declared borders include all of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

This state was recognized by the United Nations as a non-member state in 2012.

The only problem is that the "67 borders" have never been anybody's borders.

You can't just say something and make it true.

Here we go again show in UN res 242 were it says 1967 borders?

 

[toastman]

it did no such thing and you have never shown were any un document states that palestine is recognised to the non existent '67 borders. All you ever produce is the press release of the palestinians spokesperson that is not acceptance of the '67 borders at all.

The State of Palestine was declared by the Palestinians on November 15th, 1988.

The declared borders include all of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

This state was recognized by the United Nations as a non-member state in 2012.

The only problem is that the "67 borders" have never been anybody's borders.

You can't just say something and make it true.

I've been trying to tell you this for quite some time now.

You have yet to listen to me

 

[Phoenall]

The only problem is that the "67 borders" have never been anybody's borders.

You can't just say something and make it true.

When the world's international body of nations recognizes something as legitimate, it has meaning.

And all they have recognised is the right of Palestine to exist, they have not recognised any borders as they have not been negotiated. See UN res 242

 

[Phoenall]

So why aren't you criticising the arab muslims for ignoring the UN in 1948 when it declared a 2 state partition, and declaring war on the jews?

Why aren't you criticizing the arab muslims for forcing UN peacekeepers to leave the mideast so they could attack israel in 1967?

Why are you claiming the settlements are "illegal" when UN 242 calls for a negotiated settlement of the territory?

All settlements built on stolen private property are illegal, as per the 4th Geneva Convention which Israel is signatory to.

As to the other issues you are more than welcome to create a new thread about them and I will respond in kind.

And I will ask you again prove that the settlements are built on stolen property, and not JEWISH OWNED LAND. ( right of return and all that )

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think I said that.

Immigrants who obtain citizenship enjoy the same rights as the other citizens.

They can't, however, claim exclusive or superior rights.

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In this case, neither can claim to be hold a superior right (neither the Palestinian or the Israel). However, the Israeli exercised their right pursuant to General Assembly guidelines in 1948. The Palestinians did not do it until 1988 (two decades later).

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Had the Arabs accepted UN Resolution 181 the Israelis would have been very unhappy as they would have no control over any parts of Jerusalem and have much less land than today.

As their history shows Israel treats honourably in regards to peace as shown by their deals with Egypt and Jordan. The Palestinians have been offered all that they demand and they have still refused peace. Look at the camp David talks were Arafat refused to sit down unless the Jews left Palestine as the PLO saw it. which was including Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The State of Palestine was declared by the Palestinians on November 15th, 1988.

The declared borders include all of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

This state was recognized by the United Nations as a non-member state in 2012.

The only problem is that the "67 borders" have never been anybody's borders.

You can't just say something and make it true.

Here we go again show in UN res 242 were it says 1967 borders?

There are no 1967 borders. There have never been 1967 borders.

Except in maps of Israel, of course.

 

[Victory67]

And I will ask you again prove that the settlements are built on stolen property, and not JEWISH OWNED LAND. ( right of return and all that )

Peace Now did a comprehensive and thorough study of all settlements, using information provided to them by the Israeli government.

They found that around 33% of all settlement land is in fact Arab private property.

Here is the study.

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/sites/default/files/Breaking_The_Law_formal data_March07Eng.pdf

The study is trusted by various internationally recognized news organizations including the Washington Post.

Furthermore, in 1979 the Israeli Supreme Court declared that Israel had engaged in illegal activity by building settlements upon stolen Arab private property in the West Bank and since then Israel has ceased this practise and moved on to different but no less dubious methods of taking land that does not belong to them to build settlements for Israelis and not Palestinians.

 

[Victory67]

Here we go again show in UN res 242 were it says 1967 borders?

The United Nations has ordered Israel to withdraw from lands occupied since the 1967 war, which implicitly recognizes Israel legitimate and legal boundaries as the ones that existed when Israel became a UN member state in 1949.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here we go again show in UN res 242 were it says 1967 borders?

The United Nations has ordered Israel to withdraw from lands occupied since the 1967 war, which implicitly recognizes Israel legitimate and legal boundaries as the ones that existed when Israel became a UN member state in 1949.

Within what borders does the UN recognize Israel?

 

[Victory67]

Here we go again show in UN res 242 were it says 1967 borders?

The United Nations has ordered Israel to withdraw from lands occupied since the 1967 war, which implicitly recognizes Israel legitimate and legal boundaries as the ones that existed when Israel became a UN member state in 1949.

Within what borders does the UN recognize Israel?

Israel was recognized by the UN as a member state in 1949.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The United Nations has ordered Israel to withdraw from lands occupied since the 1967 war, which implicitly recognizes Israel legitimate and legal boundaries as the ones that existed when Israel became a UN member state in 1949.

Within what borders does the UN recognize Israel?

Israel was recognized by the UN as a member state in 1949.

OK, what borders do they recognize?

 

[Victory67]

OK, what borders do they recognize?

The United Nations recognizes the 1949 Armistice Lines as the legitimate and legal boundaries/limits of Israel's sovereignty.

 

[Kondor3]

OK, what borders do they recognize?

The United Nations recognizes the 1949 Armistice Lines as the legitimate and legal boundaries/limits of Israel's sovereignty.

Trouble is, many Palestinians don't recognize the UN's authority to recognize those borders.

Just a wee bit problematic, methinks.

 

[Indeependent]

OK, what borders do they recognize?

The United Nations recognizes the 1949 Armistice Lines as the legitimate and legal boundaries/limits of Israel's sovereignty.

Egypt, Syria and Jordan apparently disagreed with the UN.
If fact, they disagreed quite a few times...and got their a$$es handed to them.

 

[Victory67]

Trouble is, many Palestinians don't recognize the UN's authority to recognize those borders.

Just a wee bit problematic, methinks.

That is there problem. The international community recognizes Israel's sovereignty within the 1949 Armistice Lines.

 

[Victory67]

Egypt, Syria and Jordan apparently disagreed with the UN.
If fact, they disagreed quite a few times...and got their a$$es handed to them.

Ancient history.

Egypt and Jordan now acknowledge and recognize Israel's right to exist and their sovereignty within the 1949 Armistice Lines.

 

[Kondor3]

And that illustrates the benefit of knowing when to abide by international law, and when to set it aside as a barrier to survival or well-being...

Oh, and, having the balls to act on your convictions helps, too...

 

[Indeependent]

Egypt, Syria and Jordan apparently disagreed with the UN.
If fact, they disagreed quite a few times...and got their a$$es handed to them.

Ancient history.

Egypt and Jordan now acknowledge and recognize Israel's right to exist and their sovereignty within the 1949 Armistice Lines.

You know how things become ancient history?
When the loser is allowed to live and realizes they're never going to win.

And keep in mind that Egypt and Jordan started a war PRIOR to 1949.
By the way...They LOST.

 

[Victory67]

And that illustrates the benefit of knowing when to abide by international law, and when to set it aside as a barrier to survival or well-being...

No nation has the right to disregard international law when it suits their nationalist/irredentalist agenda, under the false guise of security and survival.

 

[Victory67]

You know how things become ancient history?
When the loser is allowed to live and realizes they're never going to win.

And keep in mind that Egypt and Jordan started a war PRIOR to 1949.
By the way...They LOST.

Again, ancient history as both Jordan and Egypt have since signed peace treaties with Israel acknowleding and recognizing their right to exist and soveriegnty within the 1949 Armistice Lines.