Israel tries to sabotage peace talks - again

[Billo_Really]

And the Haganah and Irgun were also created to protect Jewish residents in Mandatory Palestine from Arab attacks

Haganah and Irgun are jewish terrorist groups, no different than al Qaeda.

 

[toastman]

And the Haganah and Irgun were also created to protect Jewish residents in Mandatory Palestine from Arab attacks

Haganah and Irgun are jewish terrorist groups, no different than al Qaeda.

Lol another one of Billo's amazing comparisons hahahhahaha!

But hey, what can I say about someone who compared Jews being gassed to death to the IDF using tear gas as a riot dispersal means.

 

[toastman]

The missiles only invites Israel to retaliate against Hamas.
So whats the point of the missiles Billo?? What have they accomplished besides creating death and destruction in Gaza?????

Even though the missiles are considered war crimes, they are in response to the occupation.

They are the reaction, not the initial action.

Such bullshit. The IDF actions are almost always retaliatory.

Hamas are a bunch of Islamic terrorist thugs and their missiles only bring death and destruction to Gaza.

 

[aris2chat]

List of Jewish American sportspeople - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was very interesting. Thanks for the link!

I didn't know Jordan Farmar was jewish. Maybe that's why he's got hamstring issues?

I didn't know Amar'e Stoudemire was jewish. You don't see too many black-jews!

In light of your link, I'll revise my statement...

"There is only one Israeli playing in the NBA and he doesn't start".

That was just the quickest link, but it might not be complete.

It is starting point to look farther.

 

[aris2chat]

Basketball and the Jews - My Jewish Learning

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Originally posted by aris2chat
At the time of Israel’s founding in 1948, all Palestinian “refugees” were offered Israeli citizenship. However, most rejected this offer, as they did not want to identify themselves with the Jewish state. Thus, they identify as “refugees” by choice.

Was that the reason why Israel shot dead thousands of unarmed Palestinians trying to return to their villages?

Some strange way to offer civil rights you have there!!

Stop lying, Jew!

No serious historian dispute the fact that even before the war Gurion had already decided that no Palestinians would be allowed back in... this is an undeniable historical fact.

And of course Palestinians rejected Israeli citizenship BEFORE THE EXILE!

Why would the natives of the land agree with the mass invasion of RUSSIANS LIKE FOREVERYOUNG and BELLORUSSIANS LIKE JILLIAN, immigrating into their homeland without their authorization, destroying its ethnic makeup, and deciding to split a territory thousands of miles away from their TRUE HOMELANDS IN EASTERN EUROPE?

The super patriotic american clowns of the USMB are amazingly liberal when it comes to SOMEONE ELSE'S HOMELAND but I would love to see them being so accomodating if America found herself on the receiving end of the same violence inflicted on Palestinians in 48.

You over estimate the numbers.

>>...massacres and attacks against Jewish civilians were the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre where 39 Jews were killed by Arab workers after Irgun members had thrown a bomb into the crowd, and the Kfar Etzion massacre where around 120-150 surrendering defenders were killed by Arab irregulars, with the participation of Arab Legion soldiers. With 80 deaths, the Hadassah medical convoy attack is also reported as a massacre because it included the mass killing of unarmed medical personnel by Arabs.

Both Israeli archives and Palestinian testimonies confirm killings occurred in numerous Arab villages. According to Morris, the "worst cases" were the Saliha massacre with 60 to 70 killed, the Deir Yassin massacre with around 100, Lydda massacre with around 250 and the Abu Shusha massacre with 60-70.<<

Arabs, particularly syrians would shoot palestinians trying to return to Israel with as little empathy as they had when they crushed palestinians with their tanks entering Israel. That would account for a thousand or more.

Israel bashers like to multiply the death like they did at Sabra. Israel is not the one massacring palestinians, it is their neighbors and fellow arabs that have killed the most. Syria have killed more palestinians that Jordan, Israel and Egypt combined, and it is still killing them by bombing, starvation and disease. Over two years period Syria with the help of Amal killed between 3-10 thousand palestinians. I know figures are never exact when it comes to counting the dead in the Middle East, but I remember the counting in Sabra and Shatila and that many palestinians propagandists were multiplying by ten when they gave figures. I also know that most were not "massacred" but died fighting. Sadly many of the homes were rigged to explode and kill those inside by the head of the home. A few, most under the command of Mashaalani were high to numb the mind of what they were doing. Those were the ones that got carried away in their vengeance. All of those under Maroun's command had lost love ones to palestinian massacres. They were also involved in most the fighting in and around the Gaza Hospital.
Everything was heightened by the fact that the President-elect had been assassinated just days before. At the time the palestinians were on the top of the suspect list. It turned out to be the head of the Shabab, Elie Hobeika and Assad Hardane who set it up and Shartoui who planted the bomb in the building. It was the syrians. Palestinans had been responsible for so many bombings, massacres and death in Lebanon, and they had a bitter feud with the family, having kidnapped and tortured Bashir when he was a teen, they were the first to be suspect.
Still over a thousand fighters were rounded up and taken to the stadium and shipped
out of the country, as Arafat had been.
It was a different time and place than the West or the US. There are no clear cut rules and lines to follow. It is survival, passion, revenge, manipulation, what ever it takes day to day. Judgements and justice have little to do with the law.
As seen in syria and between palestinians, and even between Muslim sect, what they see is justice is far from what the west would call it. The region is still highly sectarian and feudal/tribal.

Did you just post that I'm Russian? Well, I'm not and neither were my parents. I'm also a Kohen, so I'd be happy to take a DNA test to see if I have that famous Kohen gene.

 

[aris2chat]

Was that the reason why Israel shot dead thousands of unarmed Palestinians trying to return to their villages?

Some strange way to offer civil rights you have there!!

Stop lying, Jew!

No serious historian dispute the fact that even before the war Gurion had already decided that no Palestinians would be allowed back in... this is an undeniable historical fact.

And of course Palestinians rejected Israeli citizenship BEFORE THE EXILE!

Why would the natives of the land agree with the mass invasion of RUSSIANS LIKE FOREVERYOUNG and BELLORUSSIANS LIKE JILLIAN, immigrating into their homeland without their authorization, destroying its ethnic makeup, and deciding to split a territory thousands of miles away from their TRUE HOMELANDS IN EASTERN EUROPE?

The super patriotic american clowns of the USMB are amazingly liberal when it comes to SOMEONE ELSE'S HOMELAND but I would love to see them being so accomodating if America found herself on the receiving end of the same violence inflicted on Palestinians in 48.

You over estimate the numbers.

>>...massacres and attacks against Jewish civilians were the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre where 39 Jews were killed by Arab workers after Irgun members had thrown a bomb into the crowd, and the Kfar Etzion massacre where around 120-150 surrendering defenders were killed by Arab irregulars, with the participation of Arab Legion soldiers. With 80 deaths, the Hadassah medical convoy attack is also reported as a massacre because it included the mass killing of unarmed medical personnel by Arabs.

Both Israeli archives and Palestinian testimonies confirm killings occurred in numerous Arab villages. According to Morris, the "worst cases" were the Saliha massacre with 60 to 70 killed, the Deir Yassin massacre with around 100, Lydda massacre with around 250 and the Abu Shusha massacre with 60-70.<<

Arabs, particularly syrians would shoot palestinians trying to return to Israel with as little empathy as they had when they crushed palestinians with their tanks entering Israel. That would account for a thousand or more.

Israel bashers like to multiply the death like they did at Sabra. Israel is not the one massacring palestinians, it is their neighbors and fellow arabs that have killed the most. Syria have killed more palestinians that Jordan, Israel and Egypt combined, and it is still killing them by bombing, starvation and disease. Over two years period Syria with the help of Amal killed between 3-10 thousand palestinians. I know figures are never exact when it comes to counting the dead in the Middle East, but I remember the counting in Sabra and Shatila and that many palestinians propagandists were multiplying by ten when they gave figures. I also know that most were not "massacred" but died fighting. Sadly many of the homes were rigged to explode and kill those inside by the head of the home. A few, most under the command of Mashaalani were high to numb the mind of what they were doing. Those were the ones that got carried away in their vengeance. All of those under Maroun's command had lost love ones to palestinian massacres. They were also involved in most the fighting in and around the Gaza Hospital.
Everything was heightened by the fact that the President-elect had been assassinated just days before. At the time the palestinians were on the top of the suspect list. It turned out to be the head of the Shabab, Elie Hobeika and Assad Hardane who set it up and Shartoui who planted the bomb in the building. It was the syrians. Palestinans had been responsible for so many bombings, massacres and death in Lebanon, and they had a bitter feud with the family, having kidnapped and tortured Bashir when he was a teen, they were the first to be suspect.
Still over a thousand fighters were rounded up and taken to the stadium and shipped
out of the country, as Arafat had been.
It was a different time and place than the West or the US. There are no clear cut rules and lines to follow. It is survival, passion, revenge, manipulation, what ever it takes day to day. Judgements and justice have little to do with the law.
As seen in syria and between palestinians, and even between Muslim sect, what they see is justice is far from what the west would call it. The region is still highly sectarian and feudal/tribal.

Did you just post that I'm Russian? Well, I'm not and neither were my parents. I'm also a Kohen, so I'd be happy to take a DNA test to see if I have that famous Kohen gene.

I hope you are addressing Jose and not me.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Jose, putting inflammatory titles on photos proves nothing......

Isn't living in a country a visual experience (to a great extent)?

Isn't a photo a visual experience?

You people want to eat and have your cake at the same time.

"José, Tinmore, Billo... you've never been to Israel, you lack the visual experience of living in Israel so your opinions don't carry the same weight as those who have."

"José, photos (visual experience) don't prove anything."

You just can't win

This is absolutely true. Tinmore once lamented about how "Jerusalem might have been a diverse and multi-ethnic and religious place to live", if only the Zionists hadn't taken over. Sadly, he has never been there and doesn't know how ethnically and religiously diverse it is right now. Also, Americans who are so quick to believe that the Liberty incident of so long ago must have been deliberate, have never been to Israel and don't know how Israelis worship America. You people who live on this Israel Board should really visit there at least once in your lives. Last year, I went to Amsterdam for the first time in my life. No picture of Holland could match the experience of actually being there.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

You over estimate the numbers.

>>...massacres and attacks against Jewish civilians were the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre where 39 Jews were killed by Arab workers after Irgun members had thrown a bomb into the crowd, and the Kfar Etzion massacre where around 120-150 surrendering defenders were killed by Arab irregulars, with the participation of Arab Legion soldiers. With 80 deaths, the Hadassah medical convoy attack is also reported as a massacre because it included the mass killing of unarmed medical personnel by Arabs.

Both Israeli archives and Palestinian testimonies confirm killings occurred in numerous Arab villages. According to Morris, the "worst cases" were the Saliha massacre with 60 to 70 killed, the Deir Yassin massacre with around 100, Lydda massacre with around 250 and the Abu Shusha massacre with 60-70.<<

Arabs, particularly syrians would shoot palestinians trying to return to Israel with as little empathy as they had when they crushed palestinians with their tanks entering Israel. That would account for a thousand or more.

Israel bashers like to multiply the death like they did at Sabra. Israel is not the one massacring palestinians, it is their neighbors and fellow arabs that have killed the most. Syria have killed more palestinians that Jordan, Israel and Egypt combined, and it is still killing them by bombing, starvation and disease. Over two years period Syria with the help of Amal killed between 3-10 thousand palestinians. I know figures are never exact when it comes to counting the dead in the Middle East, but I remember the counting in Sabra and Shatila and that many palestinians propagandists were multiplying by ten when they gave figures. I also know that most were not "massacred" but died fighting. Sadly many of the homes were rigged to explode and kill those inside by the head of the home. A few, most under the command of Mashaalani were high to numb the mind of what they were doing. Those were the ones that got carried away in their vengeance. All of those under Maroun's command had lost love ones to palestinian massacres. They were also involved in most the fighting in and around the Gaza Hospital.
Everything was heightened by the fact that the President-elect had been assassinated just days before. At the time the palestinians were on the top of the suspect list. It turned out to be the head of the Shabab, Elie Hobeika and Assad Hardane who set it up and Shartoui who planted the bomb in the building. It was the syrians. Palestinans had been responsible for so many bombings, massacres and death in Lebanon, and they had a bitter feud with the family, having kidnapped and tortured Bashir when he was a teen, they were the first to be suspect.
Still over a thousand fighters were rounded up and taken to the stadium and shipped
out of the country, as Arafat had been.
It was a different time and place than the West or the US. There are no clear cut rules and lines to follow. It is survival, passion, revenge, manipulation, what ever it takes day to day. Judgements and justice have little to do with the law.
As seen in syria and between palestinians, and even between Muslim sect, what they see is justice is far from what the west would call it. The region is still highly sectarian and feudal/tribal.

Did you just post that I'm Russian? Well, I'm not and neither were my parents. I'm also a Kohen, so I'd be happy to take a DNA test to see if I have that famous Kohen gene.

I hope you are addressing Jose and not me.

Yes, I was addressing him. Sorry Aris.

 

[aris2chat]

Jose, putting inflammatory titles on photos proves nothing......

Isn't living in a country a visual experience (to a great extent)?

Isn't a photo a visual experience?

You people want to eat and have your cake at the same time.

"José, Tinmore, Billo... you've never been to Israel, you lack the visual experience of living in Israel so your opinions don't carry the same weight as those who have."

"José, photos (visual experience) don't prove anything."

You just can't win

This is absolutely true. Tinmore once lamented about how "Jerusalem might have been a diverse and multi-ethnic and religious place to live", if only the Zionists hadn't taken over. Sadly, he has never been there and doesn't know how ethnically and religiously diverse it is right now. Also, Americans who are so quick to believe that the Liberty incident of so long ago must have been deliberate, have never been to Israel and don't know how Israelis worship America. You people who live on this Israel Board should really visit there at least once in your lives. Last year, I went to Amsterdam for the first time in my life. No picture of Holland could match the experience of actually being there.

Jerusalem is a diverse, multi-ethnic and religious place to live....except jews are not welcome on the mount, god's mount, which should be for everyone across all faiths.
The rest of Jerusalem cuts across all faiths for everyone.

 

[Billo_Really]

Lol another one of Billo's amazing comparisons hahahhahaha!

But hey, what can I say about someone who compared Jews being gassed to death to the IDF using tear gas as a riot dispersal means.

That was your comparison, not mine.

 

[Billo_Really]

Such bullshit. The IDF actions are almost always retaliatory.

Hamas are a bunch of Islamic terrorist thugs and their missiles only bring death and destruction to Gaza.

How could it possibly be bullshit, when the occupation started 37 years before the missiles started falling?

You're not too good at math, are you?

 

[Billo_Really]

Basketball and the Jews - My Jewish Learning

Basketball jews?

Is that like jewish rappers?

Or African-American country singers?

Or muslim metal heads?

 

[toastman]

Lol another one of Billo's amazing comparisons hahahhahaha!

But hey, what can I say about someone who compared Jews being gassed to death to the IDF using tear gas as a riot dispersal means.

That was your comparison, not mine.

What???

You were comparing Israel to Nazis and after dismantling your stupid comparisons, I said 'let me know when Israel gasses tens of thousNds of Palestinians to death,
You then responded by posting a video of the IDF using tear gas as a means of riot dispersal followed by the phrase 'you were saying'?

So not only are you incredibly foolish, but you're a liar as well

 

[toastman]

Such bullshit. The IDF actions are almost always retaliatory.

Hamas are a bunch of Islamic terrorist thugs and their missiles only bring death and destruction to Gaza.

How could it possibly be bullshit, when the occupation started 37 years before the missiles started falling?

You're not too good at math, are you?

Ironically enough, I have a bachelors in Pure and Applied mathematics at Concordia University.

What does the occupation starting 37 years before missiles started have to do with anything you deluded moron? Israel was still getting attacked by Palestinians in different ways.

Not too bright are you?

 

[Sally]

List of Jewish American sportspeople - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was very interesting. Thanks for the link!

I didn't know Jordan Farmar was jewish. Maybe that's why he's got hamstring issues?

I didn't know Amar'e Stoudemire was jewish. You don't see too many black-jews!

In light of your link, I'll revise my statement...

"There is only one Israeli playing in the NBA and he doesn't start".

Most of the Black Jews are probably still living in Africa, although I believe almost all of the Ethiopians now live in Israel. However, years ago you could see Black Jews in New York reading the Jewish newpaper on the subways. Even Michele Obama has a Rabbi as a relative.

Now, Billie, turn on your speakers and sing along with these Ugandan Jews.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9HEmTTmHEQ]Ugandan Jews getten down (Oseh Shalom) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Indofred]

Ironically enough, I have a bachelors in Pure and Applied mathematics at Concordia University.

What does the occupation starting 37 years before missiles started have to do with anything you deluded moron? Israel was still getting attacked by Palestinians in different ways.

Not too bright are you?

As for the qualification, it has little do do with politics so doesn't count for much.
A man may be able to do his sums but he may have no clue how to play the piano.

In this case, the rockets are directly linked to Israeli wars and illegal occupation of lands gained in those wars.
Israel gets attacked because it attacks, murders, maims and destroys.
Israel has started wars, preceded by many terrorist attacks, that have slowly taken more and more land and, just to really insult its victims, Jews that have never been to Israel have the right of return, but an Arab who owns land occupied by the Jewish state has no such right.

Not too bright, are you?

 

[pbel]

Ironically enough, I have a bachelors in Pure and Applied mathematics at Concordia University.

What does the occupation starting 37 years before missiles started have to do with anything you deluded moron? Israel was still getting attacked by Palestinians in different ways.

Not too bright are you?

As for the qualification, it has little do do with politics so doesn't count for much.
A man may be able to do his sums but he may have no clue how to play the piano.

In this case, the rockets are directly linked to Israeli wars and illegal occupation of lands gained in those wars.
Israel gets attacked because it attacks, murders, maims and destroys.
Israel has started wars, preceded by many terrorist attacks, that have slowly taken more and more land and, just to really insult its victims, Jews that have never been to Israel have the right of return, but an Arab who owns land occupied by the Jewish state has no such right.

Not too bright, are you?

Not many of the Zionuts are too bright, especialy Toast Weiner...They are so blind that Might makes Right that it has become a deity, a god they worship...a god without human compassion that thrives in brutality. Naturally the brutality breeds hate, and in time it will not end well for the Colonialists.

Harsh assessment? Look at the record.

 

[Phoenall]

Such bullshit. The IDF actions are almost always retaliatory.

Hamas are a bunch of Islamic terrorist thugs and their missiles only bring death and destruction to Gaza.

How could it possibly be bullshit, when the occupation started 37 years before the missiles started falling?

You're not too good at math, are you?

The occupation started in 1967 and the Palestinians used car bombs, IED's, suicide bombers and personal attacks, mostly against children until Israel closed the door on them entering Israel proper. The first rocket was in 2001 and fell in Sderot.
Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

read about the facts of Palestinian terrorism.

The occupation is valid and legal under the Geneva Conventions and International Law, the terrorism by the Palestinians is not. Only a very sick person or a rabid Jew hater would side with the Palestinians.

 

[Phoenall]

Lol another one of Billo's amazing comparisons hahahhahaha!

But hey, what can I say about someone who compared Jews being gassed to death to the IDF using tear gas as a riot dispersal means.

That was your comparison, not mine.

What???

You were comparing Israel to Nazis and after dismantling your stupid comparisons, I said 'let me know when Israel gasses tens of thousNds of Palestinians to death,
You then responded by posting a video of the IDF using tear gas as a means of riot dispersal followed by the phrase 'you were saying'?

So not only are you incredibly foolish, but you're a liar as well

I worked that one out the first time I saw on of its posts.