Israel strikes Hamas and Hezbollah targets

[Ringo]

And under what rock are those judges of the international criminal court hiding now when children are actually being killed by the thousands?

 

[hadit]

You should read the charter of Likud, they are the nutters who rule Israel with a mixture of religious nutters, it's in their charter that they will destroy any Palestinian state, so they don't want a two state solution.

Clearly, the Palestinians are not interested in a two-state solution, as they've turned every offer down. Sorry, but you can't ignore that and be credible.

 

[beagle9]

My opinion in this matter is crystal clear - and ALL my Israeli friends are aware of it. Most of them share it, some don't.

1. As long as Israels settlement policy doesn't change - Muslim terrorism will continue.
2. As long as the IDF (Israeli government) keeps up, it's out of proportion retaliation tactic - Muslim terrorism will increase
3. One does NOT prevent terrorism via striking the civilian population from which terrorists are recruited - that is factually nurturing terrorism.

As for the recent Hamas terrorist attack - It is the present Nethanyahu governments - job and RESPONSIBILITY to protect it's citizens from such known eventualities - they failed MISERABLY. They ABSOLUTELY failed to defend Israel and it's citizens.

The majority of Israelis is absolutely aware about this - logically they are presently enraged about Hamas's actions - who wouldn't? However Nethanyahu is presently not defending Israel at all - he is ordering and overseeing a massive retribution campaign - that only serves his known settlement interests and policy.

Eventually (it's starting already) Israel will lose the sympathy of it's traditional supporters - whilst creating a far larger international anti-Israel coalition and antipathy towards Israel. And that is NOT in the interest of Israel and especially not to the Israeli population, and certainly doesn't aid them at all, towards defending their country towards future aggression by other countries. Whereby the latter are far more a danger to Israel then those terrorist groups.

What you totally ignore is the fact - that due to the Zionist settlement policy, far more Europeans and Americans have been the victims of global Muslim terrorism (killed) then Israelis. As such if you "support" the Zionist settlement policy - you "invite" global Muslim terrorism onto your own doorstep.

The only Israeli government that ever openly recognized and acknowledged this, was the government under Yitzhak Rabin, (a former Jewish terrorist himself) thus enabling e.g. that the PLO recognized a State of Israel and it's right to exist - sadly he got assassinated by a Zionist radical/terrorist. After his death Israel's government immediacy reembarked onto it's settlement policy.

No way you are a friend to Israel, no way... You can lie till the cows come home about it, but you ignoring the acts of October 7th 2023, and then you are engaging in some sort of attempt where you are here trying to give some kind of sympathy or excuse for those who did such a thing uhhhhhh is simply horrific, and yes they will continue to do such a thing unless they are completely defeated. FACT.

Israel has had enough of the bull shite, and the fruitless tolerance of it's people being duped into lulls that get them dead, and I can't says I blame them for not wanting to die at the hands of evil, but instead to stay safe in the light of God.

Israel better fight while they are still holding the moral high ground, and it still has the strength within to defeat it's enemies. If it listens to the chatter boxes it will relent, then it's back to the bull shite and foolish tolerance of allowing it's enemies into the gates to kill again.

Undoubtedly you and so many others these days are so lost that it's really pathetic.

 

[surada]

Israel has proposed a two-state solution already, and it was rejected. The truth is, Hamas doesn't want a two-state solution with peace between Jew and Arab. They want a one-state solution with no Jews at all.

That's farce. Bibi was smug about continuing to build Jewish only settlements in the West Bank as recently as the Obama administration.

 

[Deadstick]

Clearly, the Palestinians are not interested in a two-state solution, as they've turned every offer down. Sorry, but you can't ignore that and be credible.

I just told you the PLO signed up to it, they recognized Israel, Likud don't want a two state solution, that's why they need Hamas it gives them the excuse to carry on, Hamas do not represent the majority of Palestinians, if Hamas didn't exist the Likud Regime would have to invent it, oh wait!

 

[beagle9]

And under what rock are those judges of the international criminal court hiding now when children are actually being killed by the thousands?

In every war "casualties" are expected, but both warring parties must do what it can to limit those casualties. You are either in it to win it or you will let the otherside win the propaganda war.
The propaganda war can have lasting consequences that cuts like a thousand knives in which makes a powerful army that relents, the actual ultimate loser of the war in the long run.

 

[Deadstick]

And under what rock are those judges of the international criminal court hiding now when children are actually being killed by the thousands?

Well a few days ago the ICC prosecutor rocked up on the Gaza border and mouthed some nonsense about war crimes then disappeared.

 

[Kruska]

No way you are a friend to Israel, no way... You can lie till the cows come home about it, but you ignoring the acts of October 7th 2023, and then you are engaging in some sort of attempt where you are here trying to give some kind of sympathy or excuse for those who did such a thing uhhhhhh is simply horrific, and yes they will continue to do such a thing unless they are completely defeated. FACT.

Bullshit - there are numerous posts of mine on USMB that confirm and demonstrate my utter condemnation onto the atrocities conducted by Hamas terrorists - You are either plain stupid - or live in constant denial of facts. (most likely both)

Undoubtedly you and so many others these days are so lost that it's really pathetic.

You and your kind are indeed pathetic.

Pointing out solely the atrocities committed by Hamas - whilst supporting, ignoring and denying the same atrocities committed by the IDF and it's terrorist predecessors Haganah, Irgun, etc. and it's radicals amongst Jewish settlers.

The only thing you can rightfully point out - is the "possible" beheading issue conducted by individual Hamas sickos, onto "likely" already dead people. Personally I do not out-rule that some sick individual Hamas terrorist factually beheaded an adult, baby or a child being alive.

It however does not excuse nor reduces the issue of a Palestinian, adult, women, children and babies being blown to pieces by an IDF bomb or missile or enduring a gruesome death being buried under rubble and even slowly burning to death, due to being entrapped in rubble.

You have obviously never been in a war, nor in a war or civil-war zone. Taking a clean shot - at a woman picking up a RPG (those Hollywood movies, that you base your "knowledge" on) doesn't show the real horrors and atrocities of war at all. But is used to divert from factual horrendous atrocities committed, and to justify wars that resulted into murdering, killing far more civilians then combatants.

The photo shows my unit (SADF) on a training routine with the 1st NZSAS Group in 1979 - I initially started out with the South African Defense Forces, before joining the Bundeswehr. And I had seen a lot of "atrocities" long before joining the Bundeswehr and after.

And I couldn't give a shit about what you believe or not in regards to combat operations involving civilian casualties.

 

[Ringo]

Well a few days ago the ICC prosecutor rocked up on the Gaza border and mouthed some nonsense about war crimes then disappeared.

 

[Grau]

Bullshit - there are numerous posts of mine on USMB that confirm and demonstrate my utter condemnation onto the atrocities conducted by Hamas terrorists - You are either plain stupid - or live in constant denial of facts. (most likely both)

You and your kind are indeed pathetic.

Pointing out solely the atrocities committed by Hamas - whilst supporting, ignoring and denying the same atrocities committed by the IDF and it's terrorist predecessors Haganah, Irgun, etc. and it's radicals amongst Jewish settlers.

The only thing you can rightfully point out - is the "possible" beheading issue conducted by individual Hamas sickos, onto "likely" already dead people. Personally I do not out-rule that some sick individual Hamas terrorist factually beheaded an adult, baby or a child being alive.

It however does not excuse nor reduces the issue of a Palestinian, adult, women, children and babies being blown to pieces by an IDF bomb or missile or enduring a gruesome death being buried under rubble and even slowly burning to death, due to being entrapped in rubble.

You have obviously never been in a war, nor in a war or civil-war zone. Taking a clean shot - at a woman picking up a RPG (those Hollywood movies, that you base your "knowledge" on) doesn't show the real horrors and atrocities of war at all. But is used to divert from factual horrendous atrocities committed, and to justify wars that resulted into murdering, killing far more civilians then combatants.

The photo shows my unit (SADF) on a training routine with the 1st NZSAS Group in 1979 - I initially started out with the South African Defense Forces, before joining the Bundeswehr. And I had seen a lot of "atrocities" long before joining the Bundeswehr and after.

And I couldn't give a shit about what you believe or not in regards to combat operations involving civilian casualties.

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Great photo!
We did the same thing but had to deploy at a much lower altitude.
I took photos on the way down from a static line jump out of a C-141, now you've inspired me to dig them out of one of my paper bags full of old photos in the attic.
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I Agree completely with your observations but there's still something about Netanyahu's dream come true that doesn't pass the smell test..

Yes, Hamas' attack was heinous and must have horrified the trespassing Israelis but desperate people can be pushed to do desperate things.
If para-gliding into Fort Israel with just an AK-47 isn't desperate, I don't know what is.

Currently, the scandal ridden Netanyahu & his henchmen are trying to divert attention from his corruption and incompetence by destroying Gaza and exterminating as many Palestinians as he can get away with.

I am disgusted with AIPAC's US politicians in DC for their complicity in this blatant genocide and feel that America's is being sucked into Israel's War on Islam and demand for regional hegemony.

Consequently, we are simply inviting more 9/11s because American politicians work for Israeli lobbies, not America.

Finally, there will be no end to Netanyahu's "war" as it is certain to inflame many of the world's 2 billion Muslims who will, in turn, strike at US and Israeli / Jewish targets around the world.
I'm afraid that Netanyahu's desperate bloodlust will only fuel a long and deadly global conflict for our grandchildren to fight.

Thanks,

 

[Deadstick]

Great photo!
We did the same thing but had to deploy at a much lower altitude.
I took photos on the way down from a static line jump out of a C-141, now you've inspired me to dig them out of one of my paper bags full of old photos in the attic.
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I Agree completely with your observations but there's still something about Netanyahu's dream come true that doesn't pass the smell test..

Yes, Hamas' attack was heinous and must have horrified the trespassing Israelis but desperate people can be pushed to do desperate things.
If para-gliding into Fort Israel with just an AK-47 isn't desperate, I don't know what is.

Currently, the scandal ridden Netanyahu & his henchmen are trying to divert attention from his corruption and incompetence by destroying Gaza and exterminating as many Palestinians as he can get away with.

I am disgusted with AIPAC's US politicians in DC for their complicity in this blatant genocide and feel that America's is being sucked into Israel's War on Islam and demand for regional hegemony.

Consequently, we are simply inviting more 9/11s because American politicians work for Israeli lobbies, not America.

Finally, there will be no end to Netanyahu's "war" as it is certain to inflame many of the world's 2 billion Muslims who will, in turn, strike at US and Israeli / Jewish targets around the world.
I'm afraid that Netanyahu's desperate bloodlust will only fuel a long and deadly global conflict for our grandchildren to fight.

Thanks,

Great post full of information and facts, when people have nothing to lose they become desperate, if you look at the Warsaw Ghetto uprising many of those jewish fighters would rather die in combat than live day by day wondering if it would be their last, and there are many other examples.

This post was meant for Kruska as well as Grau.

 

[Kruska]

Great photo!
We did the same thing but had to deploy at a much lower altitude.
I took photos on the way down from a static line jump out of a C-141, now you've inspired me to dig them out of one of my paper bags full of old photos in the attic.
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Thanks, the rappel (we called it abseiling those days) altitude wasn't that high, around 130-150 feet - the photo was taken from a mountain plateau.
Keep digging and show some photos , did you get to do a collapsed T-10 drop and balancing out the reserve chute?

I Agree completely with your observations but there's still something about Netanyahu's dream come true that doesn't pass the smell test..

The entire "unprepared" episode smells worse then rotten fish - at least to me, in regards to my experiences with the IDF.

Yes, Hamas' attack was heinous and must have horrified the trespassing Israelis but desperate people can be pushed to do desperate things.
If para-gliding into Fort Israel with just an AK-47 isn't desperate, I don't know what is.

Agree

Currently, the scandal ridden Netanyahu & his henchmen are trying to divert attention from his corruption and incompetence by destroying Gaza and exterminating as many Palestinians as he can get away with

That is one part - of the smelly fish

I am disgusted with AIPAC's US politicians in DC for their complicity in this blatant genocide and feel that America's is being sucked into Israel's War on Islam and demand for regional hegemony.

Yeah well - politics and politicians, a shame that e.g. Hamas never gets onto those folks

Consequently, we are simply inviting more 9/11s because American politicians work for Israeli lobbies, not America.

Correct

Finally, there will be no end to Netanyahu's "war" as it is certain to inflame many of the world's 2 billion Muslims who will, in turn, strike at US and Israeli / Jewish targets around the world.
I'm afraid that Netanyahu's desperate bloodlust will only fuel a long and deadly global conflict for our grandchildren to fight.

My thoughts exactly - thanks

 

[hadit]

That's farce. Bibi was smug about continuing to build Jewish only settlements in the West Bank as recently as the Obama administration.

The questions are, did they offer a two-state solution and was it rejected? Both are true.

 

[surada]

And under what rock are those judges of the international criminal court hiding now when children are actually being killed by the thousands?

Half of Gazans are under 18. Most are refugees from the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

 

[surada]

The questions are, did they offer a two-state solution and was it rejected? Both are true.

Look at a map of West Bank settlements. Where was this Palestinian state?

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[hadit]

Look at a map of West Bank settlements. Where was this Palestinian state?

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The Palestinian state has never existed. Israel offered to create one and the offer was rejected. Why don't you want to deal with that?

 

[Deadstick]

The Palestinian state has never existed. Israel offered to create one and the offer was rejected. Why don't you want to deal with that?

Palestinians lived there you idiot for centuries and since 1948 have been driven out, by the way your Israeli friends bombed that refugee camp for the second time today killing rescue workers digging kids out of the rubble, it's a war crime and Genocide, no need for further discussion.

 

[hadit]

Palestinians lived there you idiot for centuries and since 1948 have been driven out, by the way your Israeli friends bombed that refugee camp for the second time today killing rescue workers digging kids out of the rubble, it's a war crime and Genocide, no need for further discussion.

You're still not dealing with the reality of the rejected two-state solution. All you're doing is yelling about perceived failures by the Israelis and not addressing the can of worms you opened. That tells me that you really didn't know what you were getting into when you opened that particular can.

 

[Deadstick]

You're still not dealing with the reality of the rejected two-state solution. All you're doing is yelling about perceived failures by the Israelis and not addressing the can of worms you opened. That tells me that you really didn't know what you were getting into when you opened that particular can.

So Oslo never happened?

 

[Billo_Really]

When someone repeatedly attacks you from their territory, you are authorized to seize that territory to use as a buffer zone. As I've said before, and you've refused to consider, what would you do if you lived in Texas on a border town next to Mexico and a Mexican official decided that Texas belonged to Mexico and invaded your town, killing as many as possible, kidnapping and brutalizing the population?

Would you want the US government to retaliate in a big way against Mexico so they never again attempted such a thing, level the town and turn a couple of miles of Mexican territory into a DMZ, or would you complain that the US had no right to do anything at all to the Mexican town because, after all, Texas was seized from Mexico in the first (actually not the first because the Indian tribes fought over it plenty) place?

You are starting the clock in the wrong place. In regards to your example, it's more like the US military goes into Mexico and annexes a part of that country against all international laws. Then builds a separation wall around that part of the country and restricts everything going into that area to the point where living there is not sustainable for the residents; then we shut off all the electricity to the area; and after all that, do you expect Mexican residents in that area NOT TO ATTACK?

Now your scenario is a little more accurate.