Israel: Serial Terror-Bomber

[Roudy]

Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas

So, in your opinion, it's ok to target the civilians in Gaza because they are "responsible" for electing Hamas?

I'll repeat, Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties, it can't go hand to hand with "its ok to target civilians".
I Do not feel any pity for those wish me to die, I Do feel pity for those who did not supported Hamas or the rest of the mob in the first place and just want to live in peace - but my first priority goes to the Israeli civilians.
Its not black and white as you try to conclude it, let me ask you this - you are standing in front of a man, one that already killed several innocent people and you know that if you won't shot him tomorrow he'll be executing another plan for mass killing of innocents, thing is that he stands nearby some kids, even his boy, you know that you can't take the shot without risk in hurting the kids - its most likely they'd get hurt, but you won't be able to catch him later and tomorrow he'd most certainly kill more..what would you do?

And you would kill him even if your strike killed 15 or 20 civilians too

The reason the animal shoots from behind 20 civilians is to entice the Israelis to do exactly that.

Blame the Palestinian animals who do that, not Israel.

 

[Humanity]

Do you have problems with Israel controlling airspace and ocean around Gaza DUMMY?

Understand that and then you will understand where the missing keys are...... DUMMY!

If Hamas had control of its air and sea space they'd simply imprt weapons and money. Simple answer - deny them this and watcpeople like you cry.

Provide a link to support your comment...

The oppressed have a right to fight back...

So, when rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza.... Don't be too surprised!

And before you start bleating on about me supporting terrorism...

Shall be just say that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!

I do not support Hamas or terrorism.... I do not support the oppression by Israel either...

Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas and they have absolutely no right to target civilians, period.
When the rockets are being fired into Israeli civilians it is more like the Gazan's who shouldn't be surprised when Israel retaliation brings a total disaster and say whatever you want but Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties and since it was the Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas and Co. in the first place knowingly what they aim for there is no room for moral ground now that they woke up between a rock and a hard place.

The oppressed are definitely the Palestinians living in Gaza...

• The international law of occupation applies to Israel with respect to the Gaza Strip in the spheres in which it continues to exercise control.
• The closure – restricting movement of civilians and civilian goods to and from Gaza by air, sea and land – is unlawful.
• Israel may determine the routes by which goods and people enter and leave Gaza and may run security checks. Israel may enforce these conditions, including against ships.
• Changes in control over Rafah Crossing mitigate Israel’s responsibility but do not eliminate it because of Israel’s control over travel between Gaza and the West Bank, travel via air and sea, and other spheres of life, as well as due to post-occupation duties.

Scale of Control Does Israel Control Gaza Gisha
Gaza-Israel conflict Is the fighting over - BBC News

You've lightened my sight about something that is obvious to me but probably not to you.
When I said '"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas' - and you answered saying 'The Palestinians' I just realized you simply don't see the distinction we do (or at least I do) when it comes to Palestinians and Hamas, by saying Hamas(and other organizations included such as PIJ) we are talking about a group of very hostile people - by saying Palestinians in general I'm referring to (at least) not hostile people which is the other group, its as they are separated branches of Palestinians.
Maybe now you'd be able to understand my post and respond properly, note that I specified precisely Hamas as separated group of Palestinians.
And for the sake of the debate lets try to bound the discussion to Gaza and Israel.

I too see a VERY clear distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people too...

Hamas, terrorist organisation... Palestinian people, oppressed civilians...

Yes, you did specify Hamas and not Palestinians... But, even though we both consider them separate, you cannot oppress Hamas without oppressing the people of Gaza...

When sanctions are placed upon a country/region then it is not ONLY the government who suffers!

 

[Roudy]

Sounds like Hamas, like ISIS, are the ones who are oppressing their people, holding Palestinians hostage to their barbaric ideology, and using them as human shields.

Palestinians should be the ones to stop Hamas. But instead they make heroes out of these animals.

Unfortunately, Hamas rules Gaza with an iron fist, and like ISIS, will kill those who have dissenting opinions.

 

[Daniyel]

If Hamas had control of its air and sea space they'd simply imprt weapons and money. Simple answer - deny them this and watcpeople like you cry.

Provide a link to support your comment...

The oppressed have a right to fight back...

So, when rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza.... Don't be too surprised!

And before you start bleating on about me supporting terrorism...

Shall be just say that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!

I do not support Hamas or terrorism.... I do not support the oppression by Israel either...

Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas and they have absolutely no right to target civilians, period.
When the rockets are being fired into Israeli civilians it is more like the Gazan's who shouldn't be surprised when Israel retaliation brings a total disaster and say whatever you want but Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties and since it was the Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas and Co. in the first place knowingly what they aim for there is no room for moral ground now that they woke up between a rock and a hard place.

The oppressed are definitely the Palestinians living in Gaza...

• The international law of occupation applies to Israel with respect to the Gaza Strip in the spheres in which it continues to exercise control.
• The closure – restricting movement of civilians and civilian goods to and from Gaza by air, sea and land – is unlawful.
• Israel may determine the routes by which goods and people enter and leave Gaza and may run security checks. Israel may enforce these conditions, including against ships.
• Changes in control over Rafah Crossing mitigate Israel’s responsibility but do not eliminate it because of Israel’s control over travel between Gaza and the West Bank, travel via air and sea, and other spheres of life, as well as due to post-occupation duties.

Scale of Control Does Israel Control Gaza Gisha
Gaza-Israel conflict Is the fighting over - BBC News

You've lightened my sight about something that is obvious to me but probably not to you.
When I said '"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas' - and you answered saying 'The Palestinians' I just realized you simply don't see the distinction we do (or at least I do) when it comes to Palestinians and Hamas, by saying Hamas(and other organizations included such as PIJ) we are talking about a group of very hostile people - by saying Palestinians in general I'm referring to (at least) not hostile people which is the other group, its as they are separated branches of Palestinians.
Maybe now you'd be able to understand my post and respond properly, note that I specified precisely Hamas as separated group of Palestinians.
And for the sake of the debate lets try to bound the discussion to Gaza and Israel.

I too see a VERY clear distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people too...

Hamas, terrorist organisation... Palestinian people, oppressed civilians...

Yes, you did specify Hamas and not Palestinians... But, even though we both consider them separate, you cannot oppress Hamas without oppressing the people of Gaza...

When sanctions are placed upon a country/region then it is not ONLY the government who suffers!

That is the part of which I have to remind you that the Palestinians chose Hamas to govern them for promising to take over Israel killing all Israelis (if they could) - correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Humanity]

Provide a link to support your comment...

The oppressed have a right to fight back...

So, when rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza.... Don't be too surprised!

And before you start bleating on about me supporting terrorism...

Shall be just say that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!

I do not support Hamas or terrorism.... I do not support the oppression by Israel either...

Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas and they have absolutely no right to target civilians, period.
When the rockets are being fired into Israeli civilians it is more like the Gazan's who shouldn't be surprised when Israel retaliation brings a total disaster and say whatever you want but Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties and since it was the Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas and Co. in the first place knowingly what they aim for there is no room for moral ground now that they woke up between a rock and a hard place.

The oppressed are definitely the Palestinians living in Gaza...

• The international law of occupation applies to Israel with respect to the Gaza Strip in the spheres in which it continues to exercise control.
• The closure – restricting movement of civilians and civilian goods to and from Gaza by air, sea and land – is unlawful.
• Israel may determine the routes by which goods and people enter and leave Gaza and may run security checks. Israel may enforce these conditions, including against ships.
• Changes in control over Rafah Crossing mitigate Israel’s responsibility but do not eliminate it because of Israel’s control over travel between Gaza and the West Bank, travel via air and sea, and other spheres of life, as well as due to post-occupation duties.

Scale of Control Does Israel Control Gaza Gisha
Gaza-Israel conflict Is the fighting over - BBC News

You've lightened my sight about something that is obvious to me but probably not to you.
When I said '"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas' - and you answered saying 'The Palestinians' I just realized you simply don't see the distinction we do (or at least I do) when it comes to Palestinians and Hamas, by saying Hamas(and other organizations included such as PIJ) we are talking about a group of very hostile people - by saying Palestinians in general I'm referring to (at least) not hostile people which is the other group, its as they are separated branches of Palestinians.
Maybe now you'd be able to understand my post and respond properly, note that I specified precisely Hamas as separated group of Palestinians.
And for the sake of the debate lets try to bound the discussion to Gaza and Israel.

I too see a VERY clear distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people too...

Hamas, terrorist organisation... Palestinian people, oppressed civilians...

Yes, you did specify Hamas and not Palestinians... But, even though we both consider them separate, you cannot oppress Hamas without oppressing the people of Gaza...

When sanctions are placed upon a country/region then it is not ONLY the government who suffers!

That is the part of which I have to remind you that the Palestinians chose Hamas to govern them for promising to take over Israel killing all Israelis (if they could) - correct me if I'm wrong.

To support your claim you would also have to say that every German was a Nazi and deserved to die...

 

[Phoenall]

So this means that gaza is open on one side so cant be under the control of Israel.............DUMMY


Do you have problems understanding that gaza is bordered by two sovereign nations not surrounded by one

Do you have problems with Israel controlling airspace and ocean around Gaza DUMMY?

Understand that and then you will understand where the missing keys are...... DUMMY!

If Hamas had control of its air and sea space they'd simply imprt weapons and money. Simple answer - deny them this and watcpeople like you cry.

Provide a link to support your comment...

The oppressed have a right to fight back...

So, when rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza.... Don't be too surprised!

And before you start bleating on about me supporting terrorism...

Shall be just say that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!

I do not support Hamas or terrorism.... I do not support the oppression by Israel either...

Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas and they have absolutely no right to target civilians, period.
When the rockets are being fired into Israeli civilians it is more like the Gazan's who shouldn't be surprised when Israel retaliation brings a total disaster and say whatever you want but Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties and since it was the Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas and Co. in the first place knowingly what they aim for there is no room for moral ground now that they woke up between a rock and a hard place.

The oppressed are definitely the Palestinians living in Gaza...

• The international law of occupation applies to Israel with respect to the Gaza Strip in the spheres in which it continues to exercise control.
• The closure – restricting movement of civilians and civilian goods to and from Gaza by air, sea and land – is unlawful.
• Israel may determine the routes by which goods and people enter and leave Gaza and may run security checks. Israel may enforce these conditions, including against ships.
• Changes in control over Rafah Crossing mitigate Israel’s responsibility but do not eliminate it because of Israel’s control over travel between Gaza and the West Bank, travel via air and sea, and other spheres of life, as well as due to post-occupation duties.

Scale of Control Does Israel Control Gaza Gisha
Gaza-Israel conflict Is the fighting over - BBC News

And the UN charter now applies to the Palestinians and they have to cease attacks on Israel

No it isn't as it is a legal blockade, and goods are not stopped.

No International law states that Israel has to allow goods or people to cross its territory to get to another

Correct and that is what gets right up your nose. And this is what they do

Since when has the west bank had a sea coast. as for Air travel they can always go via Egypt and Jordan.

 

[Phoenall]

Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas

So, in your opinion, it's ok to target the civilians in Gaza because they are "responsible" for electing Hamas?

No because they allow them to use civilian areas and act as human shields. This is covered in the Geneva conventions and turns the civilians into militia/military and so valid targets

 

[Phoenall]

Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas

So, in your opinion, it's ok to target the civilians in Gaza because they are "responsible" for electing Hamas?

I'll repeat, Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties, it can't go hand to hand with "its ok to target civilians".
I Do not feel any pity for those wish me to die, I Do feel pity for those who did not supported Hamas or the rest of the mob in the first place and just want to live in peace - but my first priority goes to the Israeli civilians.
Its not black and white as you try to conclude it, let me ask you this - you are standing in front of a man, one that already killed several innocent people and you know that if you won't shot him tomorrow he'll be executing another plan for mass killing of innocents, thing is that he stands nearby some kids, even his boy, you know that you can't take the shot without risk in hurting the kids - its most likely they'd get hurt, but you won't be able to catch him later and tomorrow he'd most certainly kill more..what would you do?

And you would kill him even if your strike killed 15 or 20 civilians too

YES if it saved untold thousands from being killed if I didn't.

Would you take the shot if it was the leader of ISIS surrounded by women and children to save thousands from being raped and murdered ?

 

[Phoenall]

Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas and they have absolutely no right to target civilians, period.
When the rockets are being fired into Israeli civilians it is more like the Gazan's who shouldn't be surprised when Israel retaliation brings a total disaster and say whatever you want but Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties and since it was the Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas and Co. in the first place knowingly what they aim for there is no room for moral ground now that they woke up between a rock and a hard place.

The oppressed are definitely the Palestinians living in Gaza...

• The international law of occupation applies to Israel with respect to the Gaza Strip in the spheres in which it continues to exercise control.
• The closure – restricting movement of civilians and civilian goods to and from Gaza by air, sea and land – is unlawful.
• Israel may determine the routes by which goods and people enter and leave Gaza and may run security checks. Israel may enforce these conditions, including against ships.
• Changes in control over Rafah Crossing mitigate Israel’s responsibility but do not eliminate it because of Israel’s control over travel between Gaza and the West Bank, travel via air and sea, and other spheres of life, as well as due to post-occupation duties.

Scale of Control Does Israel Control Gaza Gisha
Gaza-Israel conflict Is the fighting over - BBC News

You've lightened my sight about something that is obvious to me but probably not to you.
When I said '"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas' - and you answered saying 'The Palestinians' I just realized you simply don't see the distinction we do (or at least I do) when it comes to Palestinians and Hamas, by saying Hamas(and other organizations included such as PIJ) we are talking about a group of very hostile people - by saying Palestinians in general I'm referring to (at least) not hostile people which is the other group, its as they are separated branches of Palestinians.
Maybe now you'd be able to understand my post and respond properly, note that I specified precisely Hamas as separated group of Palestinians.
And for the sake of the debate lets try to bound the discussion to Gaza and Israel.

I too see a VERY clear distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people too...

Hamas, terrorist organisation... Palestinian people, oppressed civilians...

Yes, you did specify Hamas and not Palestinians... But, even though we both consider them separate, you cannot oppress Hamas without oppressing the people of Gaza...

When sanctions are placed upon a country/region then it is not ONLY the government who suffers!

That is the part of which I have to remind you that the Palestinians chose Hamas to govern them for promising to take over Israel killing all Israelis (if they could) - correct me if I'm wrong.

To support your claim you would also have to say that every German was a Nazi and deserved to die...

Only those that gave them sustenance and support, but many people feel that way about the worlds Jews don't they. In fact some on this board would not hesitate to kill Jewish children because they hate the Jews so much

 

[Phoenall]

If Hamas had control of its air and sea space they'd simply imprt weapons and money. Simple answer - deny them this and watcpeople like you cry.

Provide a link to support your comment...

The oppressed have a right to fight back...

So, when rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza.... Don't be too surprised!

And before you start bleating on about me supporting terrorism...

Shall be just say that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!

I do not support Hamas or terrorism.... I do not support the oppression by Israel either...

Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas and they have absolutely no right to target civilians, period.
When the rockets are being fired into Israeli civilians it is more like the Gazan's who shouldn't be surprised when Israel retaliation brings a total disaster and say whatever you want but Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties and since it was the Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas and Co. in the first place knowingly what they aim for there is no room for moral ground now that they woke up between a rock and a hard place.

The oppressed are definitely the Palestinians living in Gaza...

• The international law of occupation applies to Israel with respect to the Gaza Strip in the spheres in which it continues to exercise control.
• The closure – restricting movement of civilians and civilian goods to and from Gaza by air, sea and land – is unlawful.
• Israel may determine the routes by which goods and people enter and leave Gaza and may run security checks. Israel may enforce these conditions, including against ships.
• Changes in control over Rafah Crossing mitigate Israel’s responsibility but do not eliminate it because of Israel’s control over travel between Gaza and the West Bank, travel via air and sea, and other spheres of life, as well as due to post-occupation duties.

Scale of Control Does Israel Control Gaza Gisha
Gaza-Israel conflict Is the fighting over - BBC News

You've lightened my sight about something that is obvious to me but probably not to you.
When I said '"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas' - and you answered saying 'The Palestinians' I just realized you simply don't see the distinction we do (or at least I do) when it comes to Palestinians and Hamas, by saying Hamas(and other organizations included such as PIJ) we are talking about a group of very hostile people - by saying Palestinians in general I'm referring to (at least) not hostile people which is the other group, its as they are separated branches of Palestinians.
Maybe now you'd be able to understand my post and respond properly, note that I specified precisely Hamas as separated group of Palestinians.
And for the sake of the debate lets try to bound the discussion to Gaza and Israel.

I too see a VERY clear distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people too...

Hamas, terrorist organisation... Palestinian people, oppressed civilians...

Yes, you did specify Hamas and not Palestinians... But, even though we both consider them separate, you cannot oppress Hamas without oppressing the people of Gaza...

When sanctions are placed upon a country/region then it is not ONLY the government who suffers!

Yet you see no problem with BDS that hurts the very people it is supposed to help the most.

 

[Daniyel]

Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas and they have absolutely no right to target civilians, period.
When the rockets are being fired into Israeli civilians it is more like the Gazan's who shouldn't be surprised when Israel retaliation brings a total disaster and say whatever you want but Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties and since it was the Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas and Co. in the first place knowingly what they aim for there is no room for moral ground now that they woke up between a rock and a hard place.

The oppressed are definitely the Palestinians living in Gaza...

• The international law of occupation applies to Israel with respect to the Gaza Strip in the spheres in which it continues to exercise control.
• The closure – restricting movement of civilians and civilian goods to and from Gaza by air, sea and land – is unlawful.
• Israel may determine the routes by which goods and people enter and leave Gaza and may run security checks. Israel may enforce these conditions, including against ships.
• Changes in control over Rafah Crossing mitigate Israel’s responsibility but do not eliminate it because of Israel’s control over travel between Gaza and the West Bank, travel via air and sea, and other spheres of life, as well as due to post-occupation duties.

Scale of Control Does Israel Control Gaza Gisha
Gaza-Israel conflict Is the fighting over - BBC News

You've lightened my sight about something that is obvious to me but probably not to you.
When I said '"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas' - and you answered saying 'The Palestinians' I just realized you simply don't see the distinction we do (or at least I do) when it comes to Palestinians and Hamas, by saying Hamas(and other organizations included such as PIJ) we are talking about a group of very hostile people - by saying Palestinians in general I'm referring to (at least) not hostile people which is the other group, its as they are separated branches of Palestinians.
Maybe now you'd be able to understand my post and respond properly, note that I specified precisely Hamas as separated group of Palestinians.
And for the sake of the debate lets try to bound the discussion to Gaza and Israel.

I too see a VERY clear distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people too...

Hamas, terrorist organisation... Palestinian people, oppressed civilians...

Yes, you did specify Hamas and not Palestinians... But, even though we both consider them separate, you cannot oppress Hamas without oppressing the people of Gaza...

When sanctions are placed upon a country/region then it is not ONLY the government who suffers!

That is the part of which I have to remind you that the Palestinians chose Hamas to govern them for promising to take over Israel killing all Israelis (if they could) - correct me if I'm wrong.

To support your claim you would also have to say that every German was a Nazi and deserved to die...

Before you just to comparison I'd like to know if you agree with my previous post or not.

 

[Humanity]

Do you have problems with Israel controlling airspace and ocean around Gaza DUMMY?

Understand that and then you will understand where the missing keys are...... DUMMY!

If Hamas had control of its air and sea space they'd simply imprt weapons and money. Simple answer - deny them this and watcpeople like you cry.

Provide a link to support your comment...

The oppressed have a right to fight back...

So, when rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza.... Don't be too surprised!

And before you start bleating on about me supporting terrorism...

Shall be just say that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!

I do not support Hamas or terrorism.... I do not support the oppression by Israel either...

Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas and they have absolutely no right to target civilians, period.
When the rockets are being fired into Israeli civilians it is more like the Gazan's who shouldn't be surprised when Israel retaliation brings a total disaster and say whatever you want but Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties and since it was the Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas and Co. in the first place knowingly what they aim for there is no room for moral ground now that they woke up between a rock and a hard place.

The oppressed are definitely the Palestinians living in Gaza...

• The international law of occupation applies to Israel with respect to the Gaza Strip in the spheres in which it continues to exercise control.
• The closure – restricting movement of civilians and civilian goods to and from Gaza by air, sea and land – is unlawful.
• Israel may determine the routes by which goods and people enter and leave Gaza and may run security checks. Israel may enforce these conditions, including against ships.
• Changes in control over Rafah Crossing mitigate Israel’s responsibility but do not eliminate it because of Israel’s control over travel between Gaza and the West Bank, travel via air and sea, and other spheres of life, as well as due to post-occupation duties.

Scale of Control Does Israel Control Gaza Gisha
Gaza-Israel conflict Is the fighting over - BBC News

Since when has the west bank had a sea coast.

Didn't say anything about west bank having a coast you dumbass!

 

[Humanity]

The oppressed are definitely the Palestinians living in Gaza...

• The international law of occupation applies to Israel with respect to the Gaza Strip in the spheres in which it continues to exercise control.
• The closure – restricting movement of civilians and civilian goods to and from Gaza by air, sea and land – is unlawful.
• Israel may determine the routes by which goods and people enter and leave Gaza and may run security checks. Israel may enforce these conditions, including against ships.
• Changes in control over Rafah Crossing mitigate Israel’s responsibility but do not eliminate it because of Israel’s control over travel between Gaza and the West Bank, travel via air and sea, and other spheres of life, as well as due to post-occupation duties.

Scale of Control Does Israel Control Gaza Gisha
Gaza-Israel conflict Is the fighting over - BBC News

You've lightened my sight about something that is obvious to me but probably not to you.
When I said '"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas' - and you answered saying 'The Palestinians' I just realized you simply don't see the distinction we do (or at least I do) when it comes to Palestinians and Hamas, by saying Hamas(and other organizations included such as PIJ) we are talking about a group of very hostile people - by saying Palestinians in general I'm referring to (at least) not hostile people which is the other group, its as they are separated branches of Palestinians.
Maybe now you'd be able to understand my post and respond properly, note that I specified precisely Hamas as separated group of Palestinians.
And for the sake of the debate lets try to bound the discussion to Gaza and Israel.

I too see a VERY clear distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people too...

Hamas, terrorist organisation... Palestinian people, oppressed civilians...

Yes, you did specify Hamas and not Palestinians... But, even though we both consider them separate, you cannot oppress Hamas without oppressing the people of Gaza...

When sanctions are placed upon a country/region then it is not ONLY the government who suffers!

That is the part of which I have to remind you that the Palestinians chose Hamas to govern them for promising to take over Israel killing all Israelis (if they could) - correct me if I'm wrong.

To support your claim you would also have to say that every German was a Nazi and deserved to die...

Before you just to comparison I'd like to know if you agree with my previous post or not.

Of course the Palestinians voted for Hamas... The same way the Germans voted for Adolf Hitler!

 

[Humanity]

The oppressed are definitely the Palestinians living in Gaza...

• The international law of occupation applies to Israel with respect to the Gaza Strip in the spheres in which it continues to exercise control.
• The closure – restricting movement of civilians and civilian goods to and from Gaza by air, sea and land – is unlawful.
• Israel may determine the routes by which goods and people enter and leave Gaza and may run security checks. Israel may enforce these conditions, including against ships.
• Changes in control over Rafah Crossing mitigate Israel’s responsibility but do not eliminate it because of Israel’s control over travel between Gaza and the West Bank, travel via air and sea, and other spheres of life, as well as due to post-occupation duties.

Scale of Control Does Israel Control Gaza Gisha
Gaza-Israel conflict Is the fighting over - BBC News

You've lightened my sight about something that is obvious to me but probably not to you.
When I said '"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas' - and you answered saying 'The Palestinians' I just realized you simply don't see the distinction we do (or at least I do) when it comes to Palestinians and Hamas, by saying Hamas(and other organizations included such as PIJ) we are talking about a group of very hostile people - by saying Palestinians in general I'm referring to (at least) not hostile people which is the other group, its as they are separated branches of Palestinians.
Maybe now you'd be able to understand my post and respond properly, note that I specified precisely Hamas as separated group of Palestinians.
And for the sake of the debate lets try to bound the discussion to Gaza and Israel.

I too see a VERY clear distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people too...

Hamas, terrorist organisation... Palestinian people, oppressed civilians...

Yes, you did specify Hamas and not Palestinians... But, even though we both consider them separate, you cannot oppress Hamas without oppressing the people of Gaza...

When sanctions are placed upon a country/region then it is not ONLY the government who suffers!

That is the part of which I have to remind you that the Palestinians chose Hamas to govern them for promising to take over Israel killing all Israelis (if they could) - correct me if I'm wrong.

To support your claim you would also have to say that every German was a Nazi and deserved to die...

Only those that gave them sustenance and support, but many people feel that way about the worlds Jews don't they. In fact some on this board would not hesitate to kill Jewish children because they hate the Jews so much

This post makes no sense whatsoever... Can you rewrite it in clear response to the earlier post!

 

[Humanity]

Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas

So, in your opinion, it's ok to target the civilians in Gaza because they are "responsible" for electing Hamas?

I'll repeat, Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties, it can't go hand to hand with "its ok to target civilians".
I Do not feel any pity for those wish me to die, I Do feel pity for those who did not supported Hamas or the rest of the mob in the first place and just want to live in peace - but my first priority goes to the Israeli civilians.
Its not black and white as you try to conclude it, let me ask you this - you are standing in front of a man, one that already killed several innocent people and you know that if you won't shot him tomorrow he'll be executing another plan for mass killing of innocents, thing is that he stands nearby some kids, even his boy, you know that you can't take the shot without risk in hurting the kids - its most likely they'd get hurt, but you won't be able to catch him later and tomorrow he'd most certainly kill more..what would you do?

And you would kill him even if your strike killed 15 or 20 civilians too

YES if it saved untold thousands from being killed if I didn't.

Would you take the shot if it was the leader of ISIS surrounded by women and children to save thousands from being raped and murdered ?

Makes you a zionist terrorist Phoney!

 

[Humanity]

Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas

So, in your opinion, it's ok to target the civilians in Gaza because they are "responsible" for electing Hamas?

No because they allow them to use civilian areas and act as human shields. This is covered in the Geneva conventions and turns the civilians into militia/military and so valid targets

Only in your deranged head Phoney...!

 

[Daniyel]

You've lightened my sight about something that is obvious to me but probably not to you.
When I said '"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas' - and you answered saying 'The Palestinians' I just realized you simply don't see the distinction we do (or at least I do) when it comes to Palestinians and Hamas, by saying Hamas(and other organizations included such as PIJ) we are talking about a group of very hostile people - by saying Palestinians in general I'm referring to (at least) not hostile people which is the other group, its as they are separated branches of Palestinians.
Maybe now you'd be able to understand my post and respond properly, note that I specified precisely Hamas as separated group of Palestinians.
And for the sake of the debate lets try to bound the discussion to Gaza and Israel.

I too see a VERY clear distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people too...

Hamas, terrorist organisation... Palestinian people, oppressed civilians...

Yes, you did specify Hamas and not Palestinians... But, even though we both consider them separate, you cannot oppress Hamas without oppressing the people of Gaza...

When sanctions are placed upon a country/region then it is not ONLY the government who suffers!

That is the part of which I have to remind you that the Palestinians chose Hamas to govern them for promising to take over Israel killing all Israelis (if they could) - correct me if I'm wrong.

To support your claim you would also have to say that every German was a Nazi and deserved to die...

Before you just to comparison I'd like to know if you agree with my previous post or not.

Of course the Palestinians voted for Hamas... The same way the Germans voted for Adolf Hitler!

You are still jumping to comparisons too early.
So in different words we can say that the Palestinians supported Hamas goal (passively and actively ) and without their support in Hamas none (or at least) most of this wouldn't happen? - therefore if the Palestinians are responsible for Hamas there is no way they could not be responsible for the consequinces of their actions and the following events, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Roudy]

You've lightened my sight about something that is obvious to me but probably not to you.
When I said '"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas' - and you answered saying 'The Palestinians' I just realized you simply don't see the distinction we do (or at least I do) when it comes to Palestinians and Hamas, by saying Hamas(and other organizations included such as PIJ) we are talking about a group of very hostile people - by saying Palestinians in general I'm referring to (at least) not hostile people which is the other group, its as they are separated branches of Palestinians.
Maybe now you'd be able to understand my post and respond properly, note that I specified precisely Hamas as separated group of Palestinians.
And for the sake of the debate lets try to bound the discussion to Gaza and Israel.

I too see a VERY clear distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people too...

Hamas, terrorist organisation... Palestinian people, oppressed civilians...

Yes, you did specify Hamas and not Palestinians... But, even though we both consider them separate, you cannot oppress Hamas without oppressing the people of Gaza...

When sanctions are placed upon a country/region then it is not ONLY the government who suffers!

That is the part of which I have to remind you that the Palestinians chose Hamas to govern them for promising to take over Israel killing all Israelis (if they could) - correct me if I'm wrong.

To support your claim you would also have to say that every German was a Nazi and deserved to die...

Before you just to comparison I'd like to know if you agree with my previous post or not.

Of course the Palestinians voted for Hamas... The same way the Germans voted for Adolf Hitler!

...and so it was necessary for the civilized world to defend itself against the evils of Nazism, as it is necessary to fight IslamoNazism by groups like Hamas and ISIS.

 

[Phoenall]

If Hamas had control of its air and sea space they'd simply imprt weapons and money. Simple answer - deny them this and watcpeople like you cry.

Provide a link to support your comment...

The oppressed have a right to fight back...

So, when rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza.... Don't be too surprised!

And before you start bleating on about me supporting terrorism...

Shall be just say that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!

I do not support Hamas or terrorism.... I do not support the oppression by Israel either...

Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas and they have absolutely no right to target civilians, period.
When the rockets are being fired into Israeli civilians it is more like the Gazan's who shouldn't be surprised when Israel retaliation brings a total disaster and say whatever you want but Israel were the only side trying to minimize civilian casualties and since it was the Gaza's civilians responsible for "electing" Hamas and Co. in the first place knowingly what they aim for there is no room for moral ground now that they woke up between a rock and a hard place.

The oppressed are definitely the Palestinians living in Gaza...

• The international law of occupation applies to Israel with respect to the Gaza Strip in the spheres in which it continues to exercise control.
• The closure – restricting movement of civilians and civilian goods to and from Gaza by air, sea and land – is unlawful.
• Israel may determine the routes by which goods and people enter and leave Gaza and may run security checks. Israel may enforce these conditions, including against ships.
• Changes in control over Rafah Crossing mitigate Israel’s responsibility but do not eliminate it because of Israel’s control over travel between Gaza and the West Bank, travel via air and sea, and other spheres of life, as well as due to post-occupation duties.

Scale of Control Does Israel Control Gaza Gisha
Gaza-Israel conflict Is the fighting over - BBC News

Since when has the west bank had a sea coast.

Didn't say anything about west bank having a coast you dumbass!

Well how could the Palestinians cross from gaza to the west bank by sea then. As that is what you posted. And since when has it been LAW to allow free passage for terrorists across sovereign land

 

[Phoenall]

You've lightened my sight about something that is obvious to me but probably not to you.
When I said '"The oppressed" are definitely not Hamas' - and you answered saying 'The Palestinians' I just realized you simply don't see the distinction we do (or at least I do) when it comes to Palestinians and Hamas, by saying Hamas(and other organizations included such as PIJ) we are talking about a group of very hostile people - by saying Palestinians in general I'm referring to (at least) not hostile people which is the other group, its as they are separated branches of Palestinians.
Maybe now you'd be able to understand my post and respond properly, note that I specified precisely Hamas as separated group of Palestinians.
And for the sake of the debate lets try to bound the discussion to Gaza and Israel.

I too see a VERY clear distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people too...

Hamas, terrorist organisation... Palestinian people, oppressed civilians...

Yes, you did specify Hamas and not Palestinians... But, even though we both consider them separate, you cannot oppress Hamas without oppressing the people of Gaza...

When sanctions are placed upon a country/region then it is not ONLY the government who suffers!

That is the part of which I have to remind you that the Palestinians chose Hamas to govern them for promising to take over Israel killing all Israelis (if they could) - correct me if I'm wrong.

To support your claim you would also have to say that every German was a Nazi and deserved to die...

Only those that gave them sustenance and support, but many people feel that way about the worlds Jews don't they. In fact some on this board would not hesitate to kill Jewish children because they hate the Jews so much

This post makes no sense whatsoever... Can you rewrite it in clear response to the earlier post!

Might I suggest you get a remedial English course then you might understand it. Or would your prefer I posted in Farsi