Israel Needs a New Map

[georgephillip]

Why, Georgie Boy, we all know how many Nazis ran to Middle East countries to save their skins after World War II, and they continued writing their propaganda against the Jews. Meanwhile, a fellow like you who has the same mind set no doubt would be welcome there too where you can continue on with your own Nazi-type propaganda against the Jews. By the way, Georgie Boy is going to explain to us why Mein Kampf is one of the best sellers in the Muslim world.
And your question is an infantile idiocy.

Most of us are never more susceptible to propaganda, especially the church and state versions, than when we finish the first twelve years of formal education. You served twice in the US occupation of South Vietnam, thousands of miles from your hometown; Hitler would have little trouble convincing your kind to "liberate" Poland.

Give us a break, Georgie Boy. If you would have had the opportunity, you would have volunteered to become Hitler's Minister of Propaganda against the Jews. By the way, Georgie Boy, when are you making the trip down to Little Saigon in Orange County to speak to the South Vietnamese and get their take on America's involvement there. Wouldn't you like to know any of their opinions (regardless if they coincide with yours or not)? You seem so obsessed with the Vietnam War that one would think you would be interested in speaking to some of those who were actually involved when it was happening. Forget about my supposed obedience to Hitler. Un-like you Ayrab Muslims, we Americans are born with their own brain.

What do you suppose I would learn from those who collaborated with the US occupation of their homeland, how to prostitute myself the same way you did?

 

[Hossfly]

Taking one look at your television or your political theatre, I'm skeptical of your claims.

Arent you running late for your Bund meeting?

The Bund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What makes you think I'm Chinese?

For all we know, you might be some Commie from Eastern Europe. I don't think you actually live in the Manhattan area where members of the Nazi Bund lived, the ones who used to champion Hitler.

When the Bund marched in Manhattan | Ephemeral New York

 

[docmauser1]

"Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (...) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. (...) The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses."

That paints all of my faithful opposition here as emotionally unstable individuals, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

Happy Land_Day

Happy nakba too.

 

[varelse]

Arent you running late for your Bund meeting?

The Bund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What makes you think I'm Chinese?

For all we know, you might be some Commie from Eastern Europe. I don't think you actually live in the Manhattan area where members of the Nazi Bund lived, the ones who used to champion Hitler.

When the Bund marched in Manhattan | Ephemeral New York

Why are you so familiar with all the ins-and-outs of being a nazi?

 

[Hossfly]

The Bund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What makes you think I'm Chinese?

For all we know, you might be some Commie from Eastern Europe. I don't think you actually live in the Manhattan area where members of the Nazi Bund lived, the ones who used to champion Hitler.

When the Bund marched in Manhattan | Ephemeral New York

Why are you so familiar with all the ins-and-outs of being a nazi?

Don't you have some varelse to go?
There's an old saying about "Know your enemy....."

 

[docmauser1]

What makes you think I'm Chinese?

Accent?

 

[varelse]

What makes you think I'm Chinese?

Accent?

You go to herr, you racist asshore!

 

[docmauser1]

What makes you think I'm Chinese?

Accent?

You go to herr, you racist asshore!

Oy.

 

[georgephillip]

"Pictures of Israelis targeting Palestinians have also been posted on Instagram in recent weeks. A snapshot posted at the end of January shows the back of a young man's head in the crosshairs of a rifle. The picture, posted to IDF sniper Mor Ostrovski's account along with others, does not show whether or not the individual on the image was shot down."

Kids in the crosshairs: Photo of Palestinian children killed by IDF wins World Press Photo award ? RT News

 

[docmauser1]

"Pictures of Israelis targeting Palestinians have also been posted on Instagram in recent weeks. A snapshot posted at the end of January shows the back of a young man's head in the crosshairs of a rifle. The picture, posted to IDF sniper Mor Ostrovski's account along with others, does not show whether or not the individual on the image was shot down." Kids in the crosshairs: Photo of Palestinian children killed by IDF wins World Press Photo award ? RT News

Looks like either our honorable georgephillip is cruising for agitprop, or he didn't serve in the military at all, which is way too believable, of course.

 

[RoccoR]

georgephillip, et al,

Part of the problem with the Palestinians, is that they don't know when to tell the "whole story." Half truths are just as damaging as lies. In this case, the implication is, that the Israelis are to be held accountable.

But is that the truth?

Like --- Paul Harvey on his Saturdays Noon News segments use to say in --- his famous Now here is the Rest of the Story:

"Pictures of Israelis targeting Palestinians have also been posted on Instagram in recent weeks. A snapshot posted at the end of January shows the back of a young man's head in the crosshairs of a rifle. The picture, posted to IDF sniper Mor Ostrovski's account along with others, does not show whether or not the individual on the image was shot down."

Kids in the crosshairs: Photo of Palestinian children killed by IDF wins World Press Photo award ? RT News

(COMMENT)

Please read the UN Report carefully.

4. Actions by Palestinian armed groups

1953. The Mission also examined whether the Palestinian armed groups complied with their obligations under international humanitarian law to take constant care to minimize the risk of harm to the civilian population in Gaza among whom the hostilities were being conducted. The conduct of hostilities in built-up areas does not, of itself, constitute a violation of international law. However, launching attacks – whether of rockets and mortars at the population of southern Israel or at the Israeli armed forces inside Gaza – close to civilian or protected buildings constitutes a failure to take all feasible precautions.

In cases where this occurred, the Palestinian armed groups would have unnecessarily exposed the civilian population of Gaza to the inherent dangers of the military operations
taking place around them. The Mission found no evidence to suggest that Palestinian armed groups either directed civilians to areas where attacks were being launched or that they forced civilians to remain within the vicinity of the attacks. The Mission also found no evidence that members of Palestinian armed groups engaged in combat in civilian dress. Although in the one incident of an Israeli attack on a mosque it investigated the Mission found that there was no indication that that mosque was used for military purposes or to shield military activities, the Mission cannot exclude that this might have occurred in other cases.​

5. Actions by responsible Palestinian authorities

1954. Although the Gaza authorities deny any control over armed groups and responsibility for their acts, in the Mission’s view, if they failed to take the necessary measures to prevent the Palestinian armed groups from endangering the civilian population, the Gaza authorities would bear responsibility for the damage arising to the civilians living in Gaza. ​

SOURCE: http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48_ADVANCE2.pdf

This is a case where Gaza Hamas have their cake and eat it too. So there are "uncontrolled" and "uniformed" Palestinian Armed Groups that endanger the population, and are responsible for the deaths. BUT, since Gaza authorities claim they have no control over these groups, they are specifically not held accountable. So the question is:

• Who are these "uniformed" Palestinian Armed Groups beyond the control of Gaza Authorities?

They are uniformed (not in civilian dress), and they are not Hamas. Therefore, they must come from the civilian population. So, the civilian population is responsible!

The UN Report, clearly showing favoritism to the Palestinians, worded the report without answering the question.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[georgephillip]

georgephillip, et al,

Part of the problem with the Palestinians, is that they don't know when to tell the "whole story." Half truths are just as damaging as lies. In this case, the implication is, that the Israelis are to be held accountable.

But is that the truth?

Like --- Paul Harvey on his Saturdays Noon News segments use to say in --- his famous Now here is the Rest of the Story:

"Pictures of Israelis targeting Palestinians have also been posted on Instagram in recent weeks. A snapshot posted at the end of January shows the back of a young man's head in the crosshairs of a rifle. The picture, posted to IDF sniper Mor Ostrovski's account along with others, does not show whether or not the individual on the image was shot down."

Kids in the crosshairs: Photo of Palestinian children killed by IDF wins World Press Photo award ? RT News

(COMMENT)

Please read the UN Report carefully.

4. Actions by Palestinian armed groups

1953. The Mission also examined whether the Palestinian armed groups complied with their obligations under international humanitarian law to take constant care to minimize the risk of harm to the civilian population in Gaza among whom the hostilities were being conducted. The conduct of hostilities in built-up areas does not, of itself, constitute a violation of international law. However, launching attacks – whether of rockets and mortars at the population of southern Israel or at the Israeli armed forces inside Gaza – close to civilian or protected buildings constitutes a failure to take all feasible precautions.

In cases where this occurred, the Palestinian armed groups would have unnecessarily exposed the civilian population of Gaza to the inherent dangers of the military operations
taking place around them. The Mission found no evidence to suggest that Palestinian armed groups either directed civilians to areas where attacks were being launched or that they forced civilians to remain within the vicinity of the attacks. The Mission also found no evidence that members of Palestinian armed groups engaged in combat in civilian dress. Although in the one incident of an Israeli attack on a mosque it investigated the Mission found that there was no indication that that mosque was used for military purposes or to shield military activities, the Mission cannot exclude that this might have occurred in other cases.​

5. Actions by responsible Palestinian authorities

1954. Although the Gaza authorities deny any control over armed groups and responsibility for their acts, in the Mission’s view, if they failed to take the necessary measures to prevent the Palestinian armed groups from endangering the civilian population, the Gaza authorities would bear responsibility for the damage arising to the civilians living in Gaza. ​

SOURCE: http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48_ADVANCE2.pdf

This is a case where Gaza Hamas have their cake and eat it too. So there are "uncontrolled" and "uniformed" Palestinian Armed Groups that endanger the population, and are responsible for the deaths. BUT, since Gaza authorities claim they have no control over these groups, they are specifically not held accountable. So the question is:

• Who are these "uniformed" Palestinian Armed Groups beyond the control of Gaza Authorities?

They are uniformed (not in civilian dress), and they are not Hamas. Therefore, they must come from the civilian population. So, the civilian population is responsible!

The UN Report, clearly showing favoritism to the Palestinians, worded the report without answering the question.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you mean this Paul Harvey?

"In addition to the inquiry into whether Harvey's Rest of the Story tales are true, Harvey's trademark ability to seamlessly migrate from content to commercial brought scrutiny. In that context, Salon magazine called him the 'finest huckster ever to roam the airwaves.'[25]

"Some have argued that Harvey's fawning and lavish product endorsements may be misleading or confusing to his audience. Harvey's endorsed products included EdenPure heaters, Bose radios, Select Comfort mattresses, and Hi-Health dietary supplements, including a supplement that was claimed to improve vision but was later the subject of a Federal Trade Commission enforcement action against the manufacturer (but not Harvey himself) for misleading claims made on Harvey's show.[26]

"In one of the tribute broadcasts, Gil Gross said Harvey considered advertising just another type of news, and he only endorsed products he believed in, often interviewing someone from the company."

Your link makes clear the possibility Israel sought to punish all Gazans because they voted for Hamas:

"1883. The Gaza military operations were, according to the Israeli Government, thoroughly
and extensively planned. While the Israeli Government has sought to portray its operations
as essentially a response to rocket attacks in the exercise of its right to self-defence, the
Mission considers the plan to have been directed, at least in part, at a different target: the
people of Gaza as a whole.

"1884. In this respect, the operations were in furtherance of an overall policy aimed at
punishing the Gaza population for its resilience and for its apparent support for Hamas,
and possibly with the intent of forcing a change in such support.

"The Mission considers this
position to be firmly based in fact, bearing in mind what it saw and heard on the ground,
what it read in the accounts of soldiers who served in the campaign, and what it heard and
read from current and former military officers and political leaders whom the Mission
considers to be representative of the thinking that informed the policy and strategy of the
military operations.

"1885. The Mission recognizes that the principal focus in the aftermath of military
operations will often be on the people who have been killed – more than 1,400 in just three
weeks.

"This is rightly so. Part of the functions of reports such as this is to attempt, albeit in
a very small way, to restore the dignity of those whose rights have been violated in the most
fundamental way of all – the arbitrary deprivation of life."

Indulge me with the following thought experiment:

If Arabs were the Occupying Power in Palestine and were killing 1400 Jews in three weeks, I'm guessing we would be unanimous in our condemnation of the Arabs.

Why do you consistently apologize for Jewish terror?

 

[Hossfly]

georgephillip, et al,

Part of the problem with the Palestinians, is that they don't know when to tell the "whole story." Half truths are just as damaging as lies. In this case, the implication is, that the Israelis are to be held accountable.

But is that the truth?

Like --- Paul Harvey on his Saturdays Noon News segments use to say in --- his famous Now here is the Rest of the Story:

"Pictures of Israelis targeting Palestinians have also been posted on Instagram in recent weeks. A snapshot posted at the end of January shows the back of a young man's head in the crosshairs of a rifle. The picture, posted to IDF sniper Mor Ostrovski's account along with others, does not show whether or not the individual on the image was shot down."

Kids in the crosshairs: Photo of Palestinian children killed by IDF wins World Press Photo award ? RT News

(COMMENT)

Please read the UN Report carefully.

4. Actions by Palestinian armed groups

1953. The Mission also examined whether the Palestinian armed groups complied with their obligations under international humanitarian law to take constant care to minimize the risk of harm to the civilian population in Gaza among whom the hostilities were being conducted. The conduct of hostilities in built-up areas does not, of itself, constitute a violation of international law. However, launching attacks – whether of rockets and mortars at the population of southern Israel or at the Israeli armed forces inside Gaza – close to civilian or protected buildings constitutes a failure to take all feasible precautions.

In cases where this occurred, the Palestinian armed groups would have unnecessarily exposed the civilian population of Gaza to the inherent dangers of the military operations
taking place around them. The Mission found no evidence to suggest that Palestinian armed groups either directed civilians to areas where attacks were being launched or that they forced civilians to remain within the vicinity of the attacks. The Mission also found no evidence that members of Palestinian armed groups engaged in combat in civilian dress. Although in the one incident of an Israeli attack on a mosque it investigated the Mission found that there was no indication that that mosque was used for military purposes or to shield military activities, the Mission cannot exclude that this might have occurred in other cases.​

5. Actions by responsible Palestinian authorities

1954. Although the Gaza authorities deny any control over armed groups and responsibility for their acts, in the Mission’s view, if they failed to take the necessary measures to prevent the Palestinian armed groups from endangering the civilian population, the Gaza authorities would bear responsibility for the damage arising to the civilians living in Gaza. ​

SOURCE: http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48_ADVANCE2.pdf

This is a case where Gaza Hamas have their cake and eat it too. So there are "uncontrolled" and "uniformed" Palestinian Armed Groups that endanger the population, and are responsible for the deaths. BUT, since Gaza authorities claim they have no control over these groups, they are specifically not held accountable. So the question is:

• Who are these "uniformed" Palestinian Armed Groups beyond the control of Gaza Authorities?

They are uniformed (not in civilian dress), and they are not Hamas. Therefore, they must come from the civilian population. So, the civilian population is responsible!

The UN Report, clearly showing favoritism to the Palestinians, worded the report without answering the question.

Most Respectfully,
R

What I don't understand, Rocco, is how come the photographers are not around when there are dead bodies of children, let's say in Pakistan, when the Sunnis have blown up the Shiites. Since many of these bombings occurred in such places as marketplaces or pilgrimages to holy sites, there have to have been children shopping with their parents or going with their parents on these pilgrimages. Neither are there pictures of the dead Christian children blown up by Muslims in places like Iraq. Do the photographers only feel they should take pictures of children in only one place, but not in all the other places children are killed. Right now there has to have been many, many children killed, both Christians and Muslims, in the Syrian Civil War. Don't the photographers think these dead children had any worth?

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe one the those who murder children for money broke the photographer's camera, Peanut?

 

[Hossfly]

Maybe one the those who murder children for money broke the photographer's camera, Peanut?

I guess Georgie Boy couldn't think of a good excuse, so he is right back with "money" again. I almost feel like taking up a collection for him. I think many of the viewers realize that a lot is going on with innocent children being killed but there are no pictures such as the ones we see from photographers taking pictures of Palestinian children. Does anyone really think Georgie Boy and his fellow travelers care about the children who are being killed in iraq, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. Of course they are not since there are no Jews involved which they can blame.

 

[RoccoR]

georgephillip, et al,

First, let me say, that I have consistently said that "both sides are wrong." I've never said that the Israelis are without some blame, or were perfect.

Do you mean this Paul Harvey?

(COMMENT)

Your right, even Paul Harvey wasn't perfect. All media make money from advertising. It is just how the system works.

Indulge me with the following thought experiment:

If Arabs were the Occupying Power in Palestine and were killing 1400 Jews in three weeks, I'm guessing we would be unanimous in our condemnation of the Arabs.

Why do you consistently apologize for Jewish terror?

(COMMENT)

The Occupation was a direct result of Arab/Palestinian attacks (not the other way around). The principle occupation was a result of the 1967 War, and the subsequent surprise attack on Yom Kipper of '73 solidified it.

I don't apologize for the errors in judgment made by the Israelis. But the situation would have been much different if the Arab/Palestinian had not begun the violence at the settlement level in Nover '47, and then open warfare in May '48. It would be much different if the Arab Armies had not staged for an assault in '67, pushing the UN Peacekeepers out of the way.

Now --- I have said, many times, that neither side has clean hands. But it seems that there are many that advocate the right for the Arab/Palestinian, with their Iranian cohorts, to conduct any asymmetric warfare (bombings, rocket fire, ambushes, sabotage, hijackings, and murder, etc) without repercussions. I know bad guys when I see them. These are not freedom fighters. You cannot be the apologist for the Palestinians without, in some degree advocating their right to conduct the Munich Olympic event, the Achille Lauro, numerous airport attacks, numerous hijackings, etc. This sets the character and moral value for the Palestinians. You cannot condemn the Israel without also acknowledging that Hamas has made a pledge by their own charter --- to destroy Israel. And the people known as Palestinians have embraced Hamas and support their objectives.

There are (at least) two sides to every dispute. And in this case more (multifaceted). No facet is without stain, and the Palestinian stains in blood, splashing it everywhere. Yes, the Israel has made mistakes --- but nothing on the order of what the Palestinian has done. They started the feud [Izz al-Qassam (1920's & '30s)]. It is up to them to make a good faith effort to end it. And Israel must recognize the effort, if it is ever made.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe one the those who murder children for money broke the photographer's camera, Peanut?

I guess Georgie Boy couldn't think of a good excuse, so he is right back with "money" again. I almost feel like taking up a collection for him. I think many of the viewers realize that a lot is going on with innocent children being killed but there are no pictures such as the ones we see from photographers taking pictures of Palestinian children. Does anyone really think Georgie Boy and his fellow travelers care about the children who are being killed in iraq, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. Of course they are not since there are no Jews involved which they can blame.

How much do you care about the children of Vietnam you helped rape, murder, and maim, Hero?

 

[Hossfly]

Maybe one the those who murder children for money broke the photographer's camera, Peanut?

I guess Georgie Boy couldn't think of a good excuse, so he is right back with "money" again. I almost feel like taking up a collection for him. I think many of the viewers realize that a lot is going on with innocent children being killed but there are no pictures such as the ones we see from photographers taking pictures of Palestinian children. Does anyone really think Georgie Boy and his fellow travelers care about the children who are being killed in iraq, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. Of course they are not since there are no Jews involved which they can blame.

How much do you care about the children of Vietnam you helped rape, murder, and maim, Hero?

The coward is back with his Vietnam shtick once again. Why did you have to be a coward and lie about a bad back so you could get out of basic training, Loser? Eventually they would have kicked you out on a Section 8 anyway. However, as the viewers can see, Georgie Boy still can't come up with an explanation as to why the photographers don't take pictures of dead children killed in Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Egypt, Thailand, etc. etc.

 

[georgephillip]

georgephillip, et al,

First, let me say, that I have consistently said that "both sides are wrong." I've never said that the Israelis are without some blame, or were perfect.

Do you mean this Paul Harvey?

(COMMENT)

Your right, even Paul Harvey wasn't perfect. All media make money from advertising. It is just how the system works.

Indulge me with the following thought experiment:

If Arabs were the Occupying Power in Palestine and were killing 1400 Jews in three weeks, I'm guessing we would be unanimous in our condemnation of the Arabs.

Why do you consistently apologize for Jewish terror?

(COMMENT)

The Occupation was a direct result of Arab/Palestinian attacks (not the other way around). The principle occupation was a result of the 1967 War, and the subsequent surprise attack on Yom Kipper of '73 solidified it.

I don't apologize for the errors in judgment made by the Israelis. But the situation would have been much different if the Arab/Palestinian had not begun the violence at the settlement level in Nover '47, and then open warfare in May '48. It would be much different if the Arab Armies had not staged for an assault in '67, pushing the UN Peacekeepers out of the way.

Now --- I have said, many times, that neither side has clean hands. But it seems that there are many that advocate the right for the Arab/Palestinian, with their Iranian cohorts, to conduct any asymmetric warfare (bombings, rocket fire, ambushes, sabotage, hijackings, and murder, etc) without repercussions. I know bad guys when I see them. These are not freedom fighters. You cannot be the apologist for the Palestinians without, in some degree advocating their right to conduct the Munich Olympic event, the Achille Lauro, numerous airport attacks, numerous hijackings, etc. This sets the character and moral value for the Palestinians. You cannot condemn the Israel without also acknowledging that Hamas has made a pledge by their own charter --- to destroy Israel. And the people known as Palestinians have embraced Hamas and support their objectives.

There are (at least) two sides to every dispute. And in this case more (multifaceted). No facet is without stain, and the Palestinian stains in blood, splashing it everywhere. Yes, the Israel has made mistakes --- but nothing on the order of what the Palestinian has done. They started the feud [Izz al-Qassam (1920's & '30s)]. It is up to them to make a good faith effort to end it. And Israel must recognize the effort, if it is ever made.

Most Respectfully,
R

The occupation is a direct result of 650,000 Jews and their western corporate enablers inflicting a Jewish State on 1.2 million Arabs in 1948. Something Sir Ronald Storrs anticipated a generation earlier:

"Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a “Jewish homeland” in Palestine meant for the British Empire: 'It will form for England,” he said, 'a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.'”

BTW, Rocco, trusting someone who claims advertising is "just another type of news" isn't conducive to making good moral choices in life.

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules | FPIF