Israel Murders 5 Al Jazeera Staff in Gaza

I agree that Israel shouldn't starve children, nor to steal more land, but I don't understand why it's under an obligation to protect the civilians under its occupation. I am not saying that Israel should murder civilians, but rather, I am saying that Israel should only have an obligation to her own citizens, not to the citizens of other nations. Also, "international law". What is this entity that came up with these international laws, and more importantly, how is it going to enforce them?
As I understand it, the precepts of international law applicable to Palestine came into effect in the wake of WWII:

No, Israel Does Not Have the Right to Self-Defense In International Law Against Occupied Palestinian Territory

"Military occupation is a recognized status under international law and since 1967, the international community has designated the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as militarily occupied.

"As long as the occupation continues, Israel has the right to protect itself and its citizens from attacks by Palestinians who reside in the occupied territories.

"However, Israel also has a duty to maintain law and order, also known as 'normal life,' within territory it occupies.

"This obligation includes not only ensuring but prioritizing the security and well-being of the occupied population. That responsibility and those duties are enumerated in Occupation Law."
 
Why are they relying on their enemy for food? How stupid are Palestians? Its not like Israel is the only nation on their border that can give them food. :cuckoo:
Who built the fence around Gaza, greedy, racist Jews or Hamas?
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Israel announces completion of security barrier around Gaza
 
That girl was murdered by Hamas. :cuckoo:
Got a link?

Killing of Hind Rajab - Wikipedia

"Hind Rami Iyad Rajab (Arabic: هند رامي إياد رجب;<a href="Killing of Hind Rajab - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a><a href="Killing of Hind Rajab - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> 3 May 2018 – 29 January 2024) was a five-year-old<a href="Killing of Hind Rajab - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>a<span>]</span></a> Palestinian girl in the Gaza Strip who was killed by Israeli forces during the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, which also killed six of her family members"
 
Sorry, I see that I wasn't being clear.

I was pointing out the fact that you changed your language. First you were all like "OMG Zionist Jews, lets make the distinction clear" and now, you're all like, "LOL all Jews". Hmm. It's almost like you are changing your rhetoric for your audience or something. The only question is, who is this person that you are trying to win over? Gee, I really wonder.
The racist, lying Jews I was referring to are primarily located in Israel; however, they are also found elsewhere; maybe genocidal Jews would convey my intended meaning more clearly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

"According to a United Nations Special Committee, Amnesty International,Médecins Sans Frontières, B'Tselem, Physicians for Human Rights–Israel, International Federation for Human Rights, genocide studies and international law scholars, and other experts, Israel is committing genocide in Gaza against the Palestinians during its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombing of the Gaza Strip."
 
I agree that Israel shouldn't starve children, nor to steal more land, but I don't understand why it's under an obligation to protect the civilians under its occupation. I am not saying that Israel should murder civilians, but rather, I am saying that Israel should only have an obligation to her own citizens, not to the citizens of other nations. Also, "international law". What is this entity that came up with these international laws, and more importantly, how is it going to enforce them? This entity, whatever it might be, sounds really similar to the UN to me. The UN only has power to the extent that the member countries are willing to submit to its rules. If a country says, "Screw you", well frankly, there is not much the UN can do. I imagine it's the same thing with this mysterious entity that made up these international laws. Note, I am not saying that nations can just do whatever they want with no regard for anything, I believe that nations should act according to their conscience (if they have any), and do what is right and expected of a civilized nation. But what I object to, is some sort of power, some kind of international body, that nations have to submit to. I don't know about you, but personally I am sick of having to submit to the government and its many bullshit laws and rules. Having yet another governing body that I would also have to submit to, is the very last thing I want.
Your points are understandable. I will say in this case Israel controls the airspace and maritime trade of Gaza. So that is a significant thing Gaza is not its own country ….when we compare the United States , Mexico and Canada, these are three distinct countries with their own military with their own airports, They control their airspace and maritime trade.

Put aside the UN…they hold power mostly on paper ….Israeli politicians bc of there choices are responsible for the people of Gaza.
 
Your points are understandable. I will say in this case Israel controls the airspace and maritime trade of Gaza. So that is a significant thing Gaza is not its own country ….when we compare the United States , Mexico and Canada, these are three distinct countries with their own military with their own airports, They control their airspace and maritime trade.

Put aside the UN…they hold power mostly on paper ….Israeli politicians bc of there choices are responsible for the people of Gaza.
Gaza is the legal state for Gazans not Palestinians because there has never been a country called Palestine. Hamas and whats left of them is the Army of Gaza. They use the same tactics as the NAZIs drugging themselves with amphetamines before they raped women tortured and strangled children. Friends of yours?
Gaza was created after the Muslims got their asses kicked in the 6 day war. Tough people those Jews. Muslims that fled the area were rejected by Egypt and Israel isnt going to let them in. No Arab nation would accept them. That created the Gaza refugee camp which became Gaza. Now its rubble.
 
Look at a map of the region and explain how Israel could build a fence around Gaza.
"JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel on Tuesday announced the completion of an enhanced security barrier around the Gaza Strip designed to prevent militants from sneaking into the country.

"The 65-kilometer (40-mile) barrier includes radar systems, maritime sensors and a network of underground sensors to detect militant tunnels. Existing fencing was replaced with
a 6-meter (6.5-yard) high “smart fence” with sensors and cameras."

Israel announces completion of security barrier around Gaza

Israel controls all seven land borders with Gaza along with coastal waters, airspace, and population registry; look at that:eek:
 
As I understand it, the precepts of international law applicable to Palestine came into effect in the wake of WWII:

No, Israel Does Not Have the Right to Self-Defense In International Law Against Occupied Palestinian Territory

"Military occupation is a recognized status under international law and since 1967, the international community has designated the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as militarily occupied.

"As long as the occupation continues, Israel has the right to protect itself and its citizens from attacks by Palestinians who reside in the occupied territories.

"However, Israel also has a duty to maintain law and order, also known as 'normal life,' within territory it occupies.

"This obligation includes not only ensuring but prioritizing the security and well-being of the occupied population. That responsibility and those duties are enumerated in Occupation Law."
Thanks for your reply, but honestly, you didn't really answer my questions. Furthermore, your post only raised more questions for me. Now, if I may:

1. I asked you: "What is this entity that came up with these international laws, and more importantly, how is it going to enforce them?". You said a bunch of stuff, and I also checked out your links, but I honestly did not see anything that answered my questions in any meaningful way. Your post also did not contain any direct answers to my questions. It's just a bunch of stuff, that although it sounds fine, does not really contain any real meaning, and certainly nothing that tells me, what, to me, is a very important question: what entity has the power to enforce these mysterious international laws, that you keep squawking about?

2. Show me a website that directly lists these international laws. And also, show me the entity that made up these laws.

3. What will happen, if a country does not obey these international laws?

4. I looked up military occupation. Below are the things I found: maintaining public order, respecting existing laws, and ensuring basic needs are met..etc, as the obligations of the occupying power. Now, I am not saying these things are bad, obviously they are good, but, what I don't understand is, why would a country use its military, to attack another country, go into it, only to respect the laws of the conquered people, to ensure the needs of the conquered are met..etc? Again, I am not saying that these things are bad or that an aggressor country should just rape and murder and pillage, but rather, I am asking what is the point of using military aggression to invade another country, only to serve her people? Also, if a country is willing to attack another country, what makes us think that it will be willing to abide by these idealistic-sounding laws and rules? It's almost like asking a rapist, as he is about to rape a woman, to only rape her softly, but not too harshly. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

5. The very fact that there exist rules for military occupation, is fucked up. It's like, we know that military occupation is wrong, but we are gonna let countries engage in it anyway. But our conscience (even though it is very, very tiny), feels pricked very slightly. So we came up with these bullshit rules (that conveniently are not really enforceable by any entity), so as to make us feel less bad. But what we really should do, is to completely ban military occupation, which we know is bad, evidenced by the fact that we felt the need to come up with these rules. This is so stupid, I actually cannot comprehend how anybody who is even half-way sane, can sit there and think to himself: "Look at how I promote and plaster these things all over the internet. I have done my duty to humanity". By the way, just in case I wasn't being clear enough, I am asking you, George, directly. Do you honestly believe that allowing military occupation at all, is a good thing? What is your rationale for not completely banning military occupation?

6. I have noticed that, both here on this board, and elsewhere on the net, that there are now more and more voices that are against Israel and Zionism in general. The first link you provided is one such a voice. Now, obviously I don't know what else you and others who proclaim these things also do, but it seems to me that you are all online activists. You say a bunch of stuff online, but in very obscure, totally uninfluential corners of the internet. Almost like you are trying to impress someone, someone who is online a lot, and who isn't a huge fan of Jews, with the aim of tricking her into believing that something is being done, that people are waking up, that others share her view. It's almost like, you are trying to placate her or something. I wonder if it's because you actually knew what the feds did to her, but chose not to hold the feds accountable for what they did, but instead, you try hard to appease her. Is this true, George?

7. I asked you the question before but you never answered. Are you a part of the ring that hacked into my computers, George? If not, I apologize. If yes, it's OK. But I just have a few questions I would like to ask you.
 
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Gaza is the legal state for Gazans not Palestinians because there has never been a country called Palestine. Hamas and whats left of them is the Army of Gaza. They use the same tactics as the NAZIs drugging themselves with amphetamines before they raped women tortured and strangled children. Friends of yours?
Gaza was created after the Muslims got their asses kicked in the 6 day war. Tough people those Jews. Muslims that fled the area were rejected by Egypt and Israel isnt going to let them in. No Arab nation would accept them. That created the Gaza refugee camp which became Gaza. Now its rubble.
Palestine is a geographical era going back thousands of years. The word Palestine has been used for many centuries.

 
"JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel on Tuesday announced the completion of an enhanced security barrier around the Gaza Strip designed to prevent militants from sneaking into the country.

"The 65-kilometer (40-mile) barrier includes radar systems, maritime sensors and a network of underground sensors to detect militant tunnels. Existing fencing was replaced with
a 6-meter (6.5-yard) high “smart fence” with sensors and cameras."

Israel announces completion of security barrier around Gaza

Israel controls all seven land borders with Gaza along with coastal waters, airspace, and population registry; look at that:eek:
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This is a map of the region. Look at the map and explain how Israel could build a fence around Gaza.
 
Thanks for your reply, but honestly, you didn't really answer my questions. Furthermore, your post only raised more questions for me. Now, if I may:

1. I asked you: "What is this entity that came up with these international laws, and more importantly, how is it going to enforce them?". You said a bunch of stuff, and I also checked out your links, but I honestly did not see anything that answered my questions in any meaningful way. Your post also did not contain any direct answers to my questions. It's just a bunch of stuff, that although it sounds fine, does not really contain any real meaning, and certainly nothing that tells me, what, to me, is a very important question: what entity has the power to enforce these mysterious international laws, that you keep squawking about?

2. Show me a website that directly lists these international laws. And also, show me the entity that made up these laws.

3. What will happen, if a country does not obey these international laws?

4. I looked up military occupation. Below are the things I found: maintaining public order, respecting existing laws, and ensuring basic needs are met..etc, as the obligations of the occupying power. Now, I am not saying these things are bad, obviously they are good, but, what I don't understand is, why would a country use its military, to attack another country, go into it, only to respect the laws of the conquered people, to ensure the needs of the conquered are met..etc? Again, I am not saying that these things are bad or that an aggressor country should just rape and murder and pillage, but rather, I am asking what is the point of using military aggression to invade another country, only to serve her people? Also, if a country is willing to attack another country, what makes us think that it will be willing to abide by these idealistic-sounding laws and rules? It's almost like asking a rapist, as he is about to rape a woman, to only rape her softly, but not too harshly. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

5. The very fact that there exist rules for military occupation, is fucked up. It's like, we know that military occupation is wrong, but we are gonna let countries engage in it anyway. But our conscience (even though it is very, very tiny), feels pricked very slightly. So we came up with these bullshit rules (that conveniently are not really enforceable by any entity), so as to make us feel less bad. But what we really should do, is to completely ban military occupation, which we know is bad, evidenced by the fact that we felt the need to come up with these rules. This is so stupid, I actually cannot comprehend how anybody who is even half-way sane, can sit there and think to himself: "Look at how I promote and plaster these things all over the internet. I have done my duty to humanity". By the way, just in case I wasn't being clear enough, I am asking you, George, directly. Do you honestly believe that allowing military occupation at all, is a good thing? What is your rationale for not completely banning military occupation?

6. I have noticed that, both here on this board, and elsewhere on the net, that there are now more and more voices that are against Israel and Zionism in general. The first link you provided is one such a voice. Now, obviously I don't know what else you and others who proclaim these things also do, but it seems to me that you are all online activists. You say a bunch of stuff online, but in very obscure, totally uninfluential corners of the internet. Almost like you are trying to impress someone, someone who is online a lot, and who isn't a huge fan of Jews, with the aim of tricking her into believing that something is being done, that people are waking up, that others share her view. It's almost like, you are trying to placate her or something. I wonder if it's because you actually knew what the feds did to her, but chose not to hold the feds accountable for what they did, but instead, you try hard to appease her. Is this true, George?

7. I asked you the question before but you never answered. Are you a part of the ring that hacked into my computers, George? If not, I apologize. If yes, it's OK. But I just have a few questions I would like to ask you.
I can answer some of your questions. I can't answer questions regarding the other poster.

International law is primarily established through international treaties and conventions. Such laws are binding only on the signatories. For instance, the UN Charter generates international laws binding on all UN members. Kosovo and Taiwan are not UN members and are not bound by its Charter.

Treaties and conventions include enforcement mechanisms such as economic sanctions.

Established practices are also a source of international law known as customary international law. For instance, immunity for visiting heads of state is customary international law, and so are maritime salvage customs. Advisory opinions of the International Court of Justice are a source of customary international law.
 
I can answer some of your questions. I can't answer questions regarding the other poster.

International law is primarily established through international treaties and conventions. Such laws are binding only on the signatories. For instance, the UN Charter generates international laws binding on all UN members. Kosovo and Taiwan are not UN members and are not bound by its Charter.

Treaties and conventions include enforcement mechanisms such as economic sanctions.

Established practices are also a source of international law known as customary international law. For instance, immunity for visiting heads of state is customary international law, and so are maritime salvage customs. Advisory opinions of the International Court of Justice are a source of customary international law.
Don't tell me you are also one of the hackers?

Anyway, thanks for the reply, but I wanted to hear from George himself. Especially in regards to #6. I have also realized a few more things yet myself. I will be over to that other thread (you guys know what I am talking about, don't act like you don't). Now steel yourselves.
 
Thanks for your reply, but honestly, you didn't really answer my questions. Furthermore, your post only raised more questions for me. Now, if I may:

1. I asked you: "What is this entity that came up with these international laws, and more importantly, how is it going to enforce them?". You said a bunch of stuff, and I also checked out your links, but I honestly did not see anything that answered my questions in any meaningful way. Your post also did not contain any direct answers to my questions. It's just a bunch of stuff, that although it sounds fine, does not really contain any real meaning, and certainly nothing that tells me, what, to me, is a very important question: what entity has the power to enforce these mysterious international laws, that you keep squawking about?

2. Show me a website that directly lists these international laws. And also, show me the entity that made up these laws.

3. What will happen, if a country does not obey these international laws?

4. I looked up military occupation. Below are the things I found: maintaining public order, respecting existing laws, and ensuring basic needs are met..etc, as the obligations of the occupying power. Now, I am not saying these things are bad, obviously they are good, but, what I don't understand is, why would a country use its military, to attack another country, go into it, only to respect the laws of the conquered people, to ensure the needs of the conquered are met..etc? Again, I am not saying that these things are bad or that an aggressor country should just rape and murder and pillage, but rather, I am asking what is the point of using military aggression to invade another country, only to serve her people? Also, if a country is willing to attack another country, what makes us think that it will be willing to abide by these idealistic-sounding laws and rules? It's almost like asking a rapist, as he is about to rape a woman, to only rape her softly, but not too harshly. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

5. The very fact that there exist rules for military occupation, is fucked up. It's like, we know that military occupation is wrong, but we are gonna let countries engage in it anyway. But our conscience (even though it is very, very tiny), feels pricked very slightly. So we came up with these bullshit rules (that conveniently are not really enforceable by any entity), so as to make us feel less bad. But what we really should do, is to completely ban military occupation, which we know is bad, evidenced by the fact that we felt the need to come up with these rules. This is so stupid, I actually cannot comprehend how anybody who is even half-way sane, can sit there and think to himself: "Look at how I promote and plaster these things all over the internet. I have done my duty to humanity". By the way, just in case I wasn't being clear enough, I am asking you, George, directly. Do you honestly believe that allowing military occupation at all, is a good thing? What is your rationale for not completely banning military occupation?

6. I have noticed that, both here on this board, and elsewhere on the net, that there are now more and more voices that are against Israel and Zionism in general. The first link you provided is one such a voice. Now, obviously I don't know what else you and others who proclaim these things also do, but it seems to me that you are all online activists. You say a bunch of stuff online, but in very obscure, totally uninfluential corners of the internet. Almost like you are trying to impress someone, someone who is online a lot, and who isn't a huge fan of Jews, with the aim of tricking her into believing that something is being done, that people are waking up, that others share her view. It's almost like, you are trying to placate her or something. I wonder if it's because you actually knew what the feds did to her, but chose not to hold the feds accountable for what they did, but instead, you try hard to appease her. Is this true, George?

7. I asked you the question before but you never answered. Are you a part of the ring that hacked into my computers, George? If not, I apologize. If yes, it's OK. But I just have a few questions I would like to ask you.
I suggest starting with John Mearsheimer's AI:

"Is there one entity that created our current system of international law?"

"International law as we know it today is not the creation of a single entity, but rather the result of a complex interplay of historical events, treaties, and the actions of powerful states.

"In my work on offensive realism, I emphasize that great powers shape international law to serve their interests, often using it as a tool to legitimize their actions and maintain the balance of power.

"The system is thus a reflection of the distribution of power in the international system, rather than the product of a singular creator."
 
I am not talking about this particular case. Rather, I want to talk about your utter refusal to entertain the possibility that the Israeli government can also be dishonest.
All governments are dishonest to some extent. I will take a dishonest government any day over what the Palestinians are offering.
 
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7. I asked you the question before but you never answered. Are you a part of the ring that hacked into my computers, George? If not, I apologize. If yes, it's OK. But I just have a few questions I would like to ask you.
No.
I'm among the last posters on this board capable of hacking anyone's computer.
You might try posting your queries in the Computer forum... :stir:
 
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