Israel = Masada. The case for the Jewish state

[surada]

The Jews... waged war on the inhabitants throughout Libya in the most savage fashion, and to such an extent was the country wasted that, its cultivators having been slain, its land would have remained utterly depopulated, had not the Emperor Hadrian gathered settlers from other places and sent them thither, for the inhabitants had been wiped out.[8]

Kitos War - Wikipedia

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So the Jews were worse than the Romans?

LOL.

The Jews simply tried to fight off a fascist tyrannical state that engulfed most of the known world.

So the Jews were worse?

Tell that to the people of Masada who climbed a mountain and only wanted to be left alone.

What did the Romans do? They built a ramp to send an army up the mountain to detain them that took years to construct.

Massada excavations found 12 Roman skeletons and lots of pig bones. Yigal Yadim falsefied his findings, but his student exposed his lies.

They had been raiding the coutryside and killing other Jews until they were penned up in Herod's retreat.

 

[Penelope]

The Jews... waged war on the inhabitants throughout Libya in the most savage fashion, and to such an extent was the country wasted that, its cultivators having been slain, its land would have remained utterly depopulated, had not the Emperor Hadrian gathered settlers from other places and sent them thither, for the inhabitants had been wiped out.[8]

Kitos War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the Jews were worse than the Romans?

LOL.

The Jews simply tried to fight off a fascist tyrannical state that engulfed most of the known world.

So the Jews were worse?

Tell that to the people of Masada who climbed a mountain and only wanted to be left alone.

What did the Romans do? They built a ramp to send an army up the mountain to detain them that took years to construct.

but, being pursued by troops from Jerusalem, he threw himself into the fortress of Masada (Josephus, "B. J." ii. 22, § 2; iv. 9, § 3). He kept up his guerrilla warfare, however, gradually increasing his troops until they numbered many thousand Sicarii; and, after fortifying Nain, he encamped in the valley of Paran. Having conquered the Idumeans and mastered Hebron, he swept up to the very gates of Jerusalem.

BAR GIORA, SIMON - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

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[Billy_Kinetta]

If Israel is the only country you care about, move there.

This is the United States of America, not Israel.

If you live here and care about another country, you need to leave...

So, we should concern ourselves only with our family, and tell our friends to bugger off?

Is that how you conduct your life?

You cheered when the USS Liberty was attacked and deliberately murdered by direct orders from IDF.

You and your horse. Post the tape where I did so.

 

[surada]

The Jews... waged war on the inhabitants throughout Libya in the most savage fashion, and to such an extent was the country wasted that, its cultivators having been slain, its land would have remained utterly depopulated, had not the Emperor Hadrian gathered settlers from other places and sent them thither, for the inhabitants had been wiped out.[8]

Kitos War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the Jews were worse than the Romans?

LOL.

The Jews simply tried to fight off a fascist tyrannical state that engulfed most of the known world.

So the Jews were worse?

Tell that to the people of Masada who climbed a mountain and only wanted to be left alone.

What did the Romans do? They built a ramp to send an army up the mountain to detain them that took years to construct.

You don't understand Massada..They were raiding all over the area and killing other Jews until the Romans penned them up in Herod's retreat. There's some myth involved in the story. When it was excavated by Yigal Yadin all they found were Roman skeletons and pig bones.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The Jews... waged war on the inhabitants throughout Libya in the most savage fashion, and to such an extent was the country wasted that, its cultivators having been slain, its land would have remained utterly depopulated, had not the Emperor Hadrian gathered settlers from other places and sent them thither, for the inhabitants had been wiped out.[8]

Kitos War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the Jews were worse than the Romans?

LOL.

The Jews simply tried to fight off a fascist tyrannical state that engulfed most of the known world.

So the Jews were worse?

Tell that to the people of Masada who climbed a mountain and only wanted to be left alone.

What did the Romans do? They built a ramp to send an army up the mountain to detain them that took years to construct.

You don't understand Massada..They were raiding all over the area and killing other Jews until the Romans penned them up in Herod's retreat. There's some myth involved in the story. When it was excavated by Yigal Yadin all they found were Roman skeletons and pig bones.

Source for that last statement?

 

[Penelope]

Masada Martyrs?	Volume 50 Number 6, November/December 1997​
by Haim Watzman

Skeletons found at Masada by Yigael Yadin between 1963 and 1965 and later given a state burial by the Israeli government were not those of Jewish patriots but Roman soldiers, says Joseph Zias of Jerusalem's Rockefeller Museum.

The claim that the skeletons were those of the Jewish fighters who defended Masada against the Romans in A.D. 70 has long been questioned. Yadin's photographs of the remains in situ seem to show far fewer than the 25 skeletons officially reported. Furthermore, Yadin confirmed in 1982 that pig bones were found with the human ones. Since the zealots of Masada would not have buried their dead with the bones of an unclean animal, some scholars suggested that the remains were those of Christians who inhabited Masada in Byzantine times.

The bones are not available for examination, so Zias carbon-dated textiles found with them. The tests date the burial site to the time of the Jewish revolt, but Zias notes that Romans sacrificed pigs at burials. He concludes that the skeletons may well be the remains of soldiers from the Roman garrison that occupied Masada after the Jewish rebellion was surpressed. Zias says that Yadin had doubts about the identification of the skeletons, but that pressure from Israeli political leaders to connect the bones with the Masada legend led him to acquiesce to the state funeral.

© 1997 by the Archaeological Institute of America archive.archaeology.org/9711/newsbriefs/masada.html

Masada Martyrs? - Archaeology Magazine Archive

 

[Penelope]

Who sacrificed a pig in the Temple?

The suovetaurilia or suovitaurilia was one of the most sacred and traditional rites of Roman religion: the sacrifice of a pig (sus), a sheep (ovis) and a bull (taurus) to the deity Mars to bless and purify land (Lustratio).

Suovetaurilia - Wikipedia​

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We take after the Romans, but don't do animal sacrifices when burying someone.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Jews are treated that way because sometimes Jews get caught doing stuff like slavery and 911

Einstein did not warn us of Zionist fascism for nothing.

In 15th century Romania, Jews were the "nobles" selling out the commoners to the sultan. That's why they ended up impaled. And that's why they don't like prince vlad Dracula...

Yes, that must be it, Jews were caught doing stuff like slavery and 911

Brilliant!

Please feel free to offer some facts and logic next time.

Thanks for that.

He's a freaking Nazi. My uncle was a WWII vet, participated in the D Day invasion, and killed Nazi scrum like him.

 

[Penelope]

A giant siege tower with a battering ram was constructed and moved laboriously up the completed ramp. According to Josephus, when Roman troops entered the fortress, they discovered that its defenders had set all the buildings but the food storerooms ablaze and committed mass suicide or killed each other, 960 men, women, and children in total. Josephus wrote of two stirring speeches that the Sicari leader had made to convince his men to kill themselves.[8] Only two women and five children were found alive.[8]

Masada - Wikipedia

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[TDontTouchMyCigars]

Why is Israel condemned more than nations engaged in open mass genocide?

It's been doing it longer?

Check the number of Arabs in the land of Israel, and you will only see it trippled itself under 70 years of Jewish "mass genocide against the Arabs"

Bet you don't even know what Genocide means.

 

[surada]

The Jews... waged war on the inhabitants throughout Libya in the most savage fashion, and to such an extent was the country wasted that, its cultivators having been slain, its land would have remained utterly depopulated, had not the Emperor Hadrian gathered settlers from other places and sent them thither, for the inhabitants had been wiped out.[8]

Kitos War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the Jews were worse than the Romans?

LOL.

The Jews simply tried to fight off a fascist tyrannical state that engulfed most of the known world.

So the Jews were worse?

Tell that to the people of Masada who climbed a mountain and only wanted to be left alone.

What did the Romans do? They built a ramp to send an army up the mountain to detain them that took years to construct.

You don't understand Massada..They were raiding all over the area and killing other Jews until the Romans penned them up in Herod's retreat. There's some myth involved in the story. When it was excavated by Yigal Yadin all they found were Roman skeletons and pig bones.

Source for that last statement?

It was quite a scandal at the time. Yigal, for political reasons, falsified his findings, but his students ratted him out.

Zias said that famed archaeologist Yigael Yadin, who excavated Masada, had noted in a book he wrote on the dig "that these were the remains of 24 persons thrown into the cave, the last defenders of Masada." However, in an unpublished report, Yadin recorded the presence of pig bones in the cave in which he found the remains.
Buried pig bones raise questions – J.

Buried pig bones raise questions

Zias said that famed archaeologist Yigael Yadin, who excavated Masada, had noted in a book he wrote on the dig "that these were the remains of...

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[surada]

Masada Martyrs?	Volume 50 Number 6, November/December 1997​
by Haim Watzman

Skeletons found at Masada by Yigael Yadin between 1963 and 1965 and later given a state burial by the Israeli government were not those of Jewish patriots but Roman soldiers, says Joseph Zias of Jerusalem's Rockefeller Museum.

The claim that the skeletons were those of the Jewish fighters who defended Masada against the Romans in A.D. 70 has long been questioned. Yadin's photographs of the remains in situ seem to show far fewer than the 25 skeletons officially reported. Furthermore, Yadin confirmed in 1982 that pig bones were found with the human ones. Since the zealots of Masada would not have buried their dead with the bones of an unclean animal, some scholars suggested that the remains were those of Christians who inhabited Masada in Byzantine times.

The bones are not available for examination, so Zias carbon-dated textiles found with them. The tests date the burial site to the time of the Jewish revolt, but Zias notes that Romans sacrificed pigs at burials. He concludes that the skeletons may well be the remains of soldiers from the Roman garrison that occupied Masada after the Jewish rebellion was surpressed. Zias says that Yadin had doubts about the identification of the skeletons, but that pressure from Israeli political leaders to connect the bones with the Masada legend led him to acquiesce to the state funeral.

© 1997 by the Archaeological Institute of America archive.archaeology.org/9711/newsbriefs/masada.html

Masada Martyrs? - Archaeology Magazine Archive

Yep..

Buried pig bones raise questions

Zias said that famed archaeologist Yigael Yadin, who excavated Masada, had noted in a book he wrote on the dig "that these were the remains of...

www.jweekly.com

 

[Ben Thomson]

Many have no idea what kind of persecution the Jewish people have suffered over the years. In fact, those that wish to destroy the Jewish state, often deny that the Holocaust even happened, or they say that the Holocaust was not that bad of an event altogether. Why? Because the catalyst for the UN creating Israel was the Holocaust. However, everything that was done to the Jews in Nazi Germany was done centuries prior. The Holocaust did nothing new to the Jewish people, other than create a much more efficient method of persecution and extermination.

Here is a brief, but by no means comprehensive, look at our dark past.

70 AD. The Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and killed over 1 million Jews. Then they took about 100 thousand Jews into slavery and scattered many from Palestine to other locations in the Roman Empire.

So from there, what happened to them in Europe?

200 AD Roman Emperor Severus forbade religious conversations to Judaism.

379 AD Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of they synagogues and made Christianity the state religion.

561 AD The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France

613 AD Jews in Spain were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years old were taken from their parents and given a Christian education.

722 AD Leo outlawed Judaism as Jews were baptized against their will.

855 AD Jews were exiled from Italy.

1096 AD The first Crusades were launched. Although the prime goal was to liberate the Holy Land from the Muslims, the second target were the Jewish people that still remained there. Along the way to the Holy Land, 12,000 Jews where murdered in the Rhine valley, that is, those who refused to convert to Christianity. This behavior continued for 8 additional Crusades until the end of them in 1272.

1099 AD. Once the Crusaders arrived in the Holy Land, they forced Jews in Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set in on fire.

1121 AD. Jews were exiled from Flanders which is present day Belgium.

1146 AD The Second Crusades began as French monk Rudolf called for the destruction of the Jews.

1180 The French King of France, Phillip Augustus, seized all Jewish property and expelled them from the country.

1215 The Fourth Lateran Council approved cannon laws requiring that Jews should have to wear a special dress and a badge in the form of a ring so they could be easily targeted for persecution.

1290 AD. Jews were expelled from England, which was about 16,000.

1298 AD Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria, and France as 140 Jewish communities were destroyed killing over 100,000 in a 6 month period.

1321 AD In Guienne France, Jews were accused of various crimes as 5000 Jews were burned at the stake.

1347 AD The Black Death gripped Europe, but because the Jews practiced the Mosaic cleanliness laws, they did not suffer like the rest of the population. Rumors then circulated that the Jews must have made a deal with the Devil to bypass the plague as Jews were killed by the thousands, or perhaps more, all over Europe.

1434 AD Jews all over Europe were required to wear special dress so they could be easily identified for general persecution.

1497 AD. Jews were banished from Portugal

1540 AD Jews were expelled from Naples.

1550 Jews were expelled from Genoa and Venice.

1555 AD Jews were forced to live in ghettoes after a Roman Catholic Papal bull, "Cum nimis absurdum". It also required them to wear special dress and were forbidden to own property.

1582 AD Jews were expelled from Holland.

1648 Chmielnicki Bogdan began an uprising in Poland and the Ukraine to exterminate all Jews in their respective countries. It is estimated that over 100,000 Jews were murdered and about 300 communities destroyed.

1806 A French Jesuit Priest Abbe Barruel wrote a treatise blaming the Jews for the French Revolution that triggered increased persecution of Jews all across Europe. This was the first international Jewish conspiracy theory created with many more to come.

1846 AD Pope Pius lX created another Jewish ghetto in Rome, the last one till the Nazis created more later on.

1940's Holocaust

9-10 centuries of persecution of the Jews, and now the Arabs want to cast the Zionist nation into the sea?

I'm no Jew, but even I can see that to give up their state for any reason would be to divorce themselves of reason. It would be suicide.

Prior to WWII there was no strife in the Holy Land like we have seen over the last 75 years. At the end of WWII Jewish leaders put out the word to all the displaced Jews in the world..come to the Holy Land and claim it as your own, for it is written that God has given it to us. As for the people that have lived there for thousands of years..remove them by any means possible. The rest is history.

 

[surada]

The Jews... waged war on the inhabitants throughout Libya in the most savage fashion, and to such an extent was the country wasted that, its cultivators having been slain, its land would have remained utterly depopulated, had not the Emperor Hadrian gathered settlers from other places and sent them thither, for the inhabitants had been wiped out.[8]

Kitos War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the Jews were worse than the Romans?

LOL.

The Jews simply tried to fight off a fascist tyrannical state that engulfed most of the known world.

So the Jews were worse?

Tell that to the people of Masada who climbed a mountain and only wanted to be left alone.

What did the Romans do? They built a ramp to send an army up the mountain to detain them that took years to construct.

Massada excavations found 12 Roman skeletons and lots of pig bones. Yigal Yadim falsefied his findings, but his student exposed his lies.

They had been raiding the coutryside and killing other Jews until they were penned up in Herod's retreat.

Yadim falsified his findings. It was a real scandal back in the day.

 

[surada]

Why is Israel condemned more than nations engaged in open mass genocide?

It's been doing it longer?

Check the number of Arabs in the land of Israel, and you will only see it trippled itself under 70 years of Jewish "mass genocide against the Arabs"

Bet you don't even know what Genocide means.

Read the travel journals of Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tuleda.

 

[The Original Tree]

What a joke? Pig bones?

Produce the pig bones then or shut up.

Rome sieged Masada for a long time. Long enough that they had to build a huge ramp just to get to the walls to attempt to breach them.

Masada deniers are the same as The Holocaust Deniers and just as Evil.

 

[The Original Tree]

Why is Israel condemned more than nations engaged in open mass genocide?

It's been doing it longer?

Check the number of Arabs in the land of Israel, and you will only see it trippled itself under 70 years of Jewish "mass genocide against the Arabs"

Bet you don't even know what Genocide means.

Read the travel journals of Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tuleda.

Read the Satanic Verses of the Koran that says so many Muslims and Holocaust deniers are damned to Hell.

 

[surada]

What a joke? Pig bones?

Produce the pig bones then or shut up.

Rome sieged Masada for a long time. Long enough that they had to build a huge ramp just to get to the walls to attempt to breach them.

Masada deniers are the same as The Holocaust Deniers and just as Evil.

Yigal Yadin lied about his finding ... The Israelis buried the Roman soldiers on sacred ground with full honors. It was very embarrassing... His students who worked on the excavation exposed his lies.

 

[surada]

Why is Israel condemned more than nations engaged in open mass genocide?

It's been doing it longer?

Check the number of Arabs in the land of Israel, and you will only see it trippled itself under 70 years of Jewish "mass genocide against the Arabs"

Bet you don't even know what Genocide means.

Read the travel journals of Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tuleda.

Read the Satanic Verses of the Koran that says so many Muslims and Holocaust deniers are damned to Hell.

The Masada Fraud - The Making of Israel Based on Lies

The Masada Fraud - The Making of Israel Based on Lies

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Between 1963-1965 Masada was excavated by a team of professional archaeologists headed by the Late Hebrew University professor turned politician, Yigael Yadin. I became very curious how was it that professional archaeologists gave such strong support to a my

 

[surada]

The Wandering Who? | Dissident Voice

Tel Aviv University historian, Professor Shlomo Sand, opens his remarkable study of Jewish nationalism quoting Karl W. Deutsch: “A nation is a group of people united by a common mistake regarding its origin and a collective hostility towards its neighbours.” ((When And How The Jewish People Was...

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Tel Aviv University historian, Professor Shlomo Sand, opens his remarkable study of Jewish nationalism quoting Karl W. Deutsch:

“A nation is a group of people united by a common mistake regarding its origin and a collective hostility towards its neighbours.”1