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Israel = Masada. The case for the Jewish state

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Many have no idea what kind of persecution the Jewish people have suffered over the years. In fact, those that wish to destroy the Jewish state, often deny that the Holocaust even happened, or they say that the Holocaust was not that bad of an event altogether. Why? Because the catalyst for the UN creating Israel was the Holocaust. However, everything that was done to the Jews in Nazi Germany was done centuries prior. The Holocaust did nothing new to the Jewish people, other than create a much more efficient method of persecution and extermination.

Here is a brief, but by no means comprehensive, look at our dark past.

70 AD. The Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and killed over 1 million Jews. Then they took about 100 thousand Jews into slavery and scattered many from Palestine to other locations in the Roman Empire.

So from there, what happened to them in Europe?

200 AD Roman Emperor Severus forbade religious conversations to Judaism.

379 AD Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of they synagogues and made Christianity the state religion.

561 AD The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France

613 AD Jews in Spain were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years old were taken from their parents and given a Christian education.

722 AD Leo outlawed Judaism as Jews were baptized against their will.

855 AD Jews were exiled from Italy.

1096 AD The first Crusades were launched. Although the prime goal was to liberate the Holy Land from the Muslims, the second target were the Jewish people that still remained there. Along the way to the Holy Land, 12,000 Jews where murdered in the Rhine valley, that is, those who refused to convert to Christianity. This behavior continued for 8 additional Crusades until the end of them in 1272.

1099 AD. Once the Crusaders arrived in the Holy Land, they forced Jews in Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set in on fire.

1121 AD. Jews were exiled from Flanders which is present day Belgium.

1146 AD The Second Crusades began as French monk Rudolf called for the destruction of the Jews.

1180 The French King of France, Phillip Augustus, seized all Jewish property and expelled them from the country.

1215 The Fourth Lateran Council approved cannon laws requiring that Jews should have to wear a special dress and a badge in the form of a ring so they could be easily targeted for persecution.

1290 AD. Jews were expelled from England, which was about 16,000.

1298 AD Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria, and France as 140 Jewish communities were destroyed killing over 100,000 in a 6 month period.

1321 AD In Guienne France, Jews were accused of various crimes as 5000 Jews were burned at the stake.

1347 AD The Black Death gripped Europe, but because the Jews practiced the Mosaic cleanliness laws, they did not suffer like the rest of the population. Rumors then circulated that the Jews must have made a deal with the Devil to bypass the plague as Jews were killed by the thousands, or perhaps more, all over Europe.

1434 AD Jews all over Europe were required to wear special dress so they could be easily identified for general persecution.

1497 AD. Jews were banished from Portugal

1540 AD Jews were expelled from Naples.

1550 Jews were expelled from Genoa and Venice.

1555 AD Jews were forced to live in ghettoes after a Roman Catholic Papal bull, "Cum nimis absurdum". It also required them to wear special dress and were forbidden to own property.

1582 AD Jews were expelled from Holland.

1648 Chmielnicki Bogdan began an uprising in Poland and the Ukraine to exterminate all Jews in their respective countries. It is estimated that over 100,000 Jews were murdered and about 300 communities destroyed.

1806 A French Jesuit Priest Abbe Barruel wrote a treatise blaming the Jews for the French Revolution that triggered increased persecution of Jews all across Europe. This was the first international Jewish conspiracy theory created with many more to come.

1846 AD Pope Pius lX created another Jewish ghetto in Rome, the last one till the Nazis created more later on.

1940's Holocaust

9-10 centuries of persecution of the Jews, and now the Arabs want to cast the Zionist nation into the sea?

I'm no Jew, but even I can see that to give up their state for any reason would be to divorce themselves of reason. It would be suicide.
 
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And since the UN created Israel, the UN has written more resolutions against Israel than any other state in the world.

Let that sink in.

Israel has been condemned more than other countries like North Korea, Iran, the Sudan with its genocide against Christians, Syria with its genocide against pretty much everyone with the rest migrating to Europe, etc.

Why is Israel condemned more than nations engaged in open mass genocide?

Because as the Leftist Pope says, building walls will send you to hell apparently.

If it was left up to the UN, the Jews would wind up in ovens once again.
 

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Jews are treated that way because sometimes Jews get caught doing stuff like slavery and 911

Einstein did not warn us of Zionist fascism for nothing.

In 15th century Romania, Jews were the "nobles" selling out the commoners to the sultan. That's why they ended up impaled. And that's why they don't like prince vlad Dracula...
 
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Religion sure can be destructive.
Athiest Marxism has murdered hundreds of millions last century, more than any other ideology in human history.

Try again.
You changed the subject.

Try again.
You made the implication that religion is to blame for the sins of the past.

I merely pointed out that those devoted to atheism were far more destructive.

So is the issue religion or is it something much more sinister within?
 

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If Israel is the only country you care about, move there.

This is the United States of America, not Israel.

If you live here and care about another country, you need to leave...
 
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Jews are treated that way because sometimes Jews get caught doing stuff like slavery and 911

Einstein did not warn us of Zionist fascism for nothing.

In 15th century Romania, Jews were the "nobles" selling out the commoners to the sultan. That's why they ended up impaled. And that's why they don't like prince vlad Dracula...
Yes, that must be it, Jews were caught doing stuff like slavery and 911

Brilliant!

Please feel free to offer some facts and logic next time.

Thanks for that.
 

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If Israel is the only country you care about, move there.

This is the United States of America, not Israel.

If you live here and care about another country, you need to leave...

So, we should concern ourselves only with our family, and tell our friends to bugger off?

Is that how you conduct your life?
 

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If Israel is the only country you care about, move there.

This is the United States of America, not Israel.

If you live here and care about another country, you need to leave...

So, we should concern ourselves only with our family, and tell our friends to bugger off?

Is that how you conduct your life?

That's pretty much how I conduct my life.
 

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Many have no idea what kind of persecution the Jewish people have suffered over the years. In fact, those that wish to destroy the Jewish state, often deny that the Holocaust even happened, or they say that the Holocaust was not that bad of an event altogether. Why? Because the catalyst for the UN creating Israel was the Holocaust. However, everything that was done to the Jews in Nazi Germany was done centuries prior. The Holocaust did nothing new to the Jewish people, other than create a much more efficient method of persecution and extermination.

Here is a brief, but by no means comprehensive, look at our dark past.

70 AD. The Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and killed over 1 million Jews. Then they took about 100 thousand Jews into slavery and scattered many from Palestine to other locations in the Roman Empire.

So from there, what happened to them in Europe?

200 AD Roman Emperor Severus forbade religious conversations to Judaism.

379 AD Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of they synagogues and made Christianity the state religion.

561 AD The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France

613 AD Jews in Spain were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years old were taken from their parents and given a Christian education.

722 AD Leo outlawed Judaism as Jews were baptized against their will.

855 AD Jews were exiled from Italy.

1096 AD The first Crusades were launched. Although the prime goal was to liberate the Holy Land from the Muslims, the second target were the Jewish people that still remained there. Along the way to the Holy Land, 12,000 Jews where murdered in the Rhine valley, that is, those who refused to convert to Christianity. This behavior continued for 8 additional Crusades until the end of them in 1272.

1099 AD. Once the Crusaders arrived in the Holy Land, they forced Jews in Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set in on fire.

1121 AD. Jews were exiled from Flanders which is present day Belgium.

1146 AD The Second Crusades began as French monk Rudolf called for the destruction of the Jews.

1180 The French King of France, Phillip Augustus, seized all Jewish property and expelled them from the country.

1215 The Fourth Lateran Council approved cannon laws requiring that Jews should have to wear a special dress and a badge in the form of a ring so they could be easily targeted for persecution.

1290 AD. Jews were expelled from England, which was about 16,000.

1298 AD Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria, and France as 140 Jewish communities were destroyed killing over 100,000 in a 6 month period.

1321 AD In Guienne France, Jews were accused of various crimes as 5000 Jews were burned at the stake.

1347 AD The Black Death gripped Europe, but because the Jews practiced the Mosaic cleanliness laws, they did not suffer like the rest of the population. Rumors then circulated that the Jews must have made a deal with the Devil to bypass the plague as Jews were killed by the thousands, or perhaps more, all over Europe.

1434 AD Jews all over Europe were required to wear special dress so they could be easily identified for general persecution.

1497 AD. Jews were banished from Portugal

1540 AD Jews were expelled from Naples.

1550 Jews were expelled from Genoa and Venice.

1555 AD Jews were forced to live in ghettoes after a Roman Catholic Papal bull, "Cum nimis absurdum". It also required them to wear special dress and were forbidden to own property.

1582 AD Jews were expelled from Holland.

1648 Chmielnicki Bogdan began an uprising in Poland and the Ukraine to exterminate all Jews in their respective countries. It is estimated that over 100,000 Jews were murdered and about 300 communities destroyed.

1806 A French Jesuit Priest Abbe Barruel wrote a treatise blaming the Jews for the French Revolution that triggered increased persecution of Jews all across Europe. This was the first international Jewish conspiracy theory created with many more to come.

1846 AD Pope Pius lX created another Jewish ghetto in Rome, the last one till the Nazis created more later on.

1940's Holocaust

9-10 centuries of persecution of the Jews, and now the Arabs want to cast the Zionist nation into the sea?

I'm no Jew, but even I can see that to give up their state for any reason would be to divorce themselves of reason. It would be suicide.
The Jews created havoc of their own, and they had a civil war going on when Rome evaded them.

Why oh why are the jews not wanted anywhere.
 
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Many have no idea what kind of persecution the Jewish people have suffered over the years. In fact, those that wish to destroy the Jewish state, often deny that the Holocaust even happened, or they say that the Holocaust was not that bad of an event altogether. Why? Because the catalyst for the UN creating Israel was the Holocaust. However, everything that was done to the Jews in Nazi Germany was done centuries prior. The Holocaust did nothing new to the Jewish people, other than create a much more efficient method of persecution and extermination.

Here is a brief, but by no means comprehensive, look at our dark past.

70 AD. The Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and killed over 1 million Jews. Then they took about 100 thousand Jews into slavery and scattered many from Palestine to other locations in the Roman Empire.

So from there, what happened to them in Europe?

200 AD Roman Emperor Severus forbade religious conversations to Judaism.

379 AD Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of they synagogues and made Christianity the state religion.

561 AD The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France

613 AD Jews in Spain were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years old were taken from their parents and given a Christian education.

722 AD Leo outlawed Judaism as Jews were baptized against their will.

855 AD Jews were exiled from Italy.

1096 AD The first Crusades were launched. Although the prime goal was to liberate the Holy Land from the Muslims, the second target were the Jewish people that still remained there. Along the way to the Holy Land, 12,000 Jews where murdered in the Rhine valley, that is, those who refused to convert to Christianity. This behavior continued for 8 additional Crusades until the end of them in 1272.

1099 AD. Once the Crusaders arrived in the Holy Land, they forced Jews in Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set in on fire.

1121 AD. Jews were exiled from Flanders which is present day Belgium.

1146 AD The Second Crusades began as French monk Rudolf called for the destruction of the Jews.

1180 The French King of France, Phillip Augustus, seized all Jewish property and expelled them from the country.

1215 The Fourth Lateran Council approved cannon laws requiring that Jews should have to wear a special dress and a badge in the form of a ring so they could be easily targeted for persecution.

1290 AD. Jews were expelled from England, which was about 16,000.

1298 AD Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria, and France as 140 Jewish communities were destroyed killing over 100,000 in a 6 month period.

1321 AD In Guienne France, Jews were accused of various crimes as 5000 Jews were burned at the stake.

1347 AD The Black Death gripped Europe, but because the Jews practiced the Mosaic cleanliness laws, they did not suffer like the rest of the population. Rumors then circulated that the Jews must have made a deal with the Devil to bypass the plague as Jews were killed by the thousands, or perhaps more, all over Europe.

1434 AD Jews all over Europe were required to wear special dress so they could be easily identified for general persecution.

1497 AD. Jews were banished from Portugal

1540 AD Jews were expelled from Naples.

1550 Jews were expelled from Genoa and Venice.

1555 AD Jews were forced to live in ghettoes after a Roman Catholic Papal bull, "Cum nimis absurdum". It also required them to wear special dress and were forbidden to own property.

1582 AD Jews were expelled from Holland.

1648 Chmielnicki Bogdan began an uprising in Poland and the Ukraine to exterminate all Jews in their respective countries. It is estimated that over 100,000 Jews were murdered and about 300 communities destroyed.

1806 A French Jesuit Priest Abbe Barruel wrote a treatise blaming the Jews for the French Revolution that triggered increased persecution of Jews all across Europe. This was the first international Jewish conspiracy theory created with many more to come.

1846 AD Pope Pius lX created another Jewish ghetto in Rome, the last one till the Nazis created more later on.

1940's Holocaust

9-10 centuries of persecution of the Jews, and now the Arabs want to cast the Zionist nation into the sea?

I'm no Jew, but even I can see that to give up their state for any reason would be to divorce themselves of reason. It would be suicide.
The Jews created havoc of their own, and they had a civil war going on when Rome evaded them.
Yes, that must be it, the Jews create havoc and fought amongst themselves. I'm just glad the rest of the world is so much better than they.

Oh well, into the sea they go!
 

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If Israel is the only country you care about, move there.

This is the United States of America, not Israel.

If you live here and care about another country, you need to leave...

So, we should concern ourselves only with our family, and tell our friends to bugger off?

Is that how you conduct your life?


You cheered when the USS Liberty was attacked and deliberately murdered by direct orders from IDF.

Those were your "neighbors," "American..."
 

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The Jews... waged war on the inhabitants throughout Libya in the most savage fashion, and to such an extent was the country wasted that, its cultivators having been slain, its land would have remained utterly depopulated, had not the Emperor Hadrian gathered settlers from other places and sent them thither, for the inhabitants had been wiped out.[8]
 
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The Jews... waged war on the inhabitants throughout Libya in the most savage fashion, and to such an extent was the country wasted that, its cultivators having been slain, its land would have remained utterly depopulated, had not the Emperor Hadrian gathered settlers from other places and sent them thither, for the inhabitants had been wiped out.[8]
So the Jews were worse than the Romans?

LOL.

The Jews simply tried to fight off a fascist tyrannical state that engulfed most of the known world.

So the Jews were worse?

Tell that to the people of Masada who climbed a mountain and only wanted to be left alone.

What did the Romans do? They built a ramp to send an army up the mountain to detain them that took years to construct.
 

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Many have no idea what kind of persecution the Jewish people have suffered over the years. In fact, those that wish to destroy the Jewish state, often deny that the Holocaust even happened, or they say that the Holocaust was not that bad of an event altogether. Why? Because the catalyst for the UN creating Israel was the Holocaust. However, everything that was done to the Jews in Nazi Germany was done centuries prior. The Holocaust did nothing new to the Jewish people, other than create a much more efficient method of persecution and extermination.

Here is a brief, but by no means comprehensive, look at our dark past.

70 AD. The Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and killed over 1 million Jews. Then they took about 100 thousand Jews into slavery and scattered many from Palestine to other locations in the Roman Empire.

So from there, what happened to them in Europe?

200 AD Roman Emperor Severus forbade religious conversations to Judaism.

379 AD Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of they synagogues and made Christianity the state religion.

561 AD The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France

613 AD Jews in Spain were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years old were taken from their parents and given a Christian education.

722 AD Leo outlawed Judaism as Jews were baptized against their will.

855 AD Jews were exiled from Italy.

1096 AD The first Crusades were launched. Although the prime goal was to liberate the Holy Land from the Muslims, the second target were the Jewish people that still remained there. Along the way to the Holy Land, 12,000 Jews where murdered in the Rhine valley, that is, those who refused to convert to Christianity. This behavior continued for 8 additional Crusades until the end of them in 1272.

1099 AD. Once the Crusaders arrived in the Holy Land, they forced Jews in Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set in on fire.

1121 AD. Jews were exiled from Flanders which is present day Belgium.

1146 AD The Second Crusades began as French monk Rudolf called for the destruction of the Jews.

1180 The French King of France, Phillip Augustus, seized all Jewish property and expelled them from the country.

1215 The Fourth Lateran Council approved cannon laws requiring that Jews should have to wear a special dress and a badge in the form of a ring so they could be easily targeted for persecution.

1290 AD. Jews were expelled from England, which was about 16,000.

1298 AD Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria, and France as 140 Jewish communities were destroyed killing over 100,000 in a 6 month period.

1321 AD In Guienne France, Jews were accused of various crimes as 5000 Jews were burned at the stake.

1347 AD The Black Death gripped Europe, but because the Jews practiced the Mosaic cleanliness laws, they did not suffer like the rest of the population. Rumors then circulated that the Jews must have made a deal with the Devil to bypass the plague as Jews were killed by the thousands, or perhaps more, all over Europe.

1434 AD Jews all over Europe were required to wear special dress so they could be easily identified for general persecution.

1497 AD. Jews were banished from Portugal

1540 AD Jews were expelled from Naples.

1550 Jews were expelled from Genoa and Venice.

1555 AD Jews were forced to live in ghettoes after a Roman Catholic Papal bull, "Cum nimis absurdum". It also required them to wear special dress and were forbidden to own property.

1582 AD Jews were expelled from Holland.

1648 Chmielnicki Bogdan began an uprising in Poland and the Ukraine to exterminate all Jews in their respective countries. It is estimated that over 100,000 Jews were murdered and about 300 communities destroyed.

1806 A French Jesuit Priest Abbe Barruel wrote a treatise blaming the Jews for the French Revolution that triggered increased persecution of Jews all across Europe. This was the first international Jewish conspiracy theory created with many more to come.

1846 AD Pope Pius lX created another Jewish ghetto in Rome, the last one till the Nazis created more later on.

1940's Holocaust

9-10 centuries of persecution of the Jews, and now the Arabs want to cast the Zionist nation into the sea?

I'm no Jew, but even I can see that to give up their state for any reason would be to divorce themselves of reason. It would be suicide.

Like many other people, I support Israel 100%.

Israel is a tiny slice of land.

The Jewish people have turned it into a powerhouse of innovation that has benefited all of humanity.

No doubt the Arabs are lovely people (their hospitality to guests is legendary), but their countries need a lot of help to develop economically & politically.

Israel is ready and eager to help its Arab neighbors.

Israel is literally an oasis in the desert.
 

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Many have no idea what kind of persecution the Jewish people have suffered over the years. In fact, those that wish to destroy the Jewish state, often deny that the Holocaust even happened, or they say that the Holocaust was not that bad of an event altogether. Why? Because the catalyst for the UN creating Israel was the Holocaust. However, everything that was done to the Jews in Nazi Germany was done centuries prior. The Holocaust did nothing new to the Jewish people, other than create a much more efficient method of persecution and extermination.

Here is a brief, but by no means comprehensive, look at our dark past.

70 AD. The Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and killed over 1 million Jews. Then they took about 100 thousand Jews into slavery and scattered many from Palestine to other locations in the Roman Empire.

So from there, what happened to them in Europe?

200 AD Roman Emperor Severus forbade religious conversations to Judaism.

379 AD Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of they synagogues and made Christianity the state religion.

561 AD The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France

613 AD Jews in Spain were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years old were taken from their parents and given a Christian education.

722 AD Leo outlawed Judaism as Jews were baptized against their will.

855 AD Jews were exiled from Italy.

1096 AD The first Crusades were launched. Although the prime goal was to liberate the Holy Land from the Muslims, the second target were the Jewish people that still remained there. Along the way to the Holy Land, 12,000 Jews where murdered in the Rhine valley, that is, those who refused to convert to Christianity. This behavior continued for 8 additional Crusades until the end of them in 1272.

1099 AD. Once the Crusaders arrived in the Holy Land, they forced Jews in Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set in on fire.

1121 AD. Jews were exiled from Flanders which is present day Belgium.

1146 AD The Second Crusades began as French monk Rudolf called for the destruction of the Jews.

1180 The French King of France, Phillip Augustus, seized all Jewish property and expelled them from the country.

1215 The Fourth Lateran Council approved cannon laws requiring that Jews should have to wear a special dress and a badge in the form of a ring so they could be easily targeted for persecution.

1290 AD. Jews were expelled from England, which was about 16,000.

1298 AD Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria, and France as 140 Jewish communities were destroyed killing over 100,000 in a 6 month period.

1321 AD In Guienne France, Jews were accused of various crimes as 5000 Jews were burned at the stake.

1347 AD The Black Death gripped Europe, but because the Jews practiced the Mosaic cleanliness laws, they did not suffer like the rest of the population. Rumors then circulated that the Jews must have made a deal with the Devil to bypass the plague as Jews were killed by the thousands, or perhaps more, all over Europe.

1434 AD Jews all over Europe were required to wear special dress so they could be easily identified for general persecution.

1497 AD. Jews were banished from Portugal

1540 AD Jews were expelled from Naples.

1550 Jews were expelled from Genoa and Venice.

1555 AD Jews were forced to live in ghettoes after a Roman Catholic Papal bull, "Cum nimis absurdum". It also required them to wear special dress and were forbidden to own property.

1582 AD Jews were expelled from Holland.

1648 Chmielnicki Bogdan began an uprising in Poland and the Ukraine to exterminate all Jews in their respective countries. It is estimated that over 100,000 Jews were murdered and about 300 communities destroyed.

1806 A French Jesuit Priest Abbe Barruel wrote a treatise blaming the Jews for the French Revolution that triggered increased persecution of Jews all across Europe. This was the first international Jewish conspiracy theory created with many more to come.

1846 AD Pope Pius lX created another Jewish ghetto in Rome, the last one till the Nazis created more later on.

1940's Holocaust

9-10 centuries of persecution of the Jews, and now the Arabs want to cast the Zionist nation into the sea?

I'm no Jew, but even I can see that to give up their state for any reason would be to divorce themselves of reason. It would be suicide.

All of Palestine never had a population of a million Jews..
 
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