Israel destroys el-Wafa hospital as staff evacuates all patients

[SherriMunnerlyn]

It is not legal, The International Red Cross calls the blockade of Gaza an act of collective punishment, a war crime under The Fourth Geneva Convention.

This is not true at all.. That "Israel never left Gaza".. They left it COMPLETELY with no blockade after negotiating with the Palestinian Authority.. What happened is that the Palestinians went to war with EACH OTHER for control of the District and HAMAS won.

All of the arrangements went down the tubes after that..

That's not entirely true. Israel maintained control of airspace, coastline waters off Gaza and border crossings with the exception of the land border with Egypt and reserved the right to make military incursions when necessary. In addition, Israel continues to control and provide Israel will continue to provide Gaza with water, communication, electricity, and sewage networks.

They did not even have control over their own airspace or coastline and important resources could (and were) cut for any reason, by Israel.

which is legal.

Gaza is not not Troy, Masada or Constantinople. It has supply crossings from Israel and Sinai. Shortages are more from hamas unwilling to pay for supplies than from crossing closures.
If there is a shortage of building material, blame the tunnels and rockets.

 

[Roudy]

Firing from a medical facility is not the only issue. If the hospital is being used for cover for Command/Control of military operations it is also in violation of general agreements.

That would be another "imminent threat to military forces".. And as I've posted, Hamas did just that in 2009.. They had a major military command center in an Israeli built bomb shelter in the basement of a major Gaza hospital..

That's quite a general agreement?

Gazan's are not permitted to have a military to defend themselves against foreign army's.

Neither is the Taliban or Al Queda, stooopido.

 

[Roudy]

It is not legal, The International Red Cross calls the blockade of Gaza an act of collective punishment, a war crime under The Fourth Geneva Convention.

That's not entirely true. Israel maintained control of airspace, coastline waters off Gaza and border crossings with the exception of the land border with Egypt and reserved the right to make military incursions when necessary. In addition, Israel continues to control and provide Israel will continue to provide Gaza with water, communication, electricity, and sewage networks.

They did not even have control over their own airspace or coastline and important resources could (and were) cut for any reason, by Israel.

which is legal.

Gaza is not not Troy, Masada or Constantinople. It has supply crossings from Israel and Sinai. Shortages are more from hamas unwilling to pay for supplies than from crossing closures.
If there is a shortage of building material, blame the tunnels and rockets.

So the Red Cross said it's okay to launch rockets at Israeli civilians, and for Palestinians to use their own people as human shields, and use schools, hospitals and mosques as rocket launching sites.

Thanks for the info, cuckoo brain.

 

[aris2chat]

It is not legal, The International Red Cross calls the blockade of Gaza an act of collective punishment, a war crime under The Fourth Geneva Convention.

That's not entirely true. Israel maintained control of airspace, coastline waters off Gaza and border crossings with the exception of the land border with Egypt and reserved the right to make military incursions when necessary. In addition, Israel continues to control and provide Israel will continue to provide Gaza with water, communication, electricity, and sewage networks.

They did not even have control over their own airspace or coastline and important resources could (and were) cut for any reason, by Israel.

which is legal.

Gaza is not not Troy, Masada or Constantinople. It has supply crossings from Israel and Sinai. Shortages are more from hamas unwilling to pay for supplies than from crossing closures.
If there is a shortage of building material, blame the tunnels and rockets.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/9485626-post180.html

 

[Coyote]

This is not true at all.. That "Israel never left Gaza".. They left it COMPLETELY with no blockade after negotiating with the Palestinian Authority.. What happened is that the Palestinians went to war with EACH OTHER for control of the District and HAMAS won.

All of the arrangements went down the tubes after that..

That's not entirely true. Israel maintained control of airspace, coastline waters off Gaza and border crossings with the exception of the land border with Egypt and reserved the right to make military incursions when necessary. In addition, Israel continues to control and provide Israel will continue to provide Gaza with water, communication, electricity, and sewage networks.

They did not even have control over their own airspace or coastline and important resources could (and were) cut for any reason, by Israel.

which is legal.

Gaza is not not Troy, Masada or Constantinople. It has supply crossings from Israel and Sinai. Shortages are more from hamas unwilling to pay for supplies than from crossing closures.
If there is a shortage of building material, blame the tunnels and rockets.

I'm not talking about "legality" - I'm talking about the accuracy of a claim. Israel did not leave Gaza completely.

And nothing I said has anything to do with shortages - I was pointing out a fact which is Israel did not leave Gaza completely - they left controlling some pretty important things.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Putting words into my mouth I did not say says nothing about absolutely anything.

The Blockade is unlawful, deal with that fact.

And Israel occupies Gaza.

It is not legal, The International Red Cross calls the blockade of Gaza an act of collective punishment, a war crime under The Fourth Geneva Convention.

which is legal.

Gaza is not not Troy, Masada or Constantinople. It has supply crossings from Israel and Sinai. Shortages are more from hamas unwilling to pay for supplies than from crossing closures.
If there is a shortage of building material, blame the tunnels and rockets.

So the Red Cross said it's okay to launch rockets at Israeli civilians, and for Palestinians to use their own people as human shields, and use schools, hospitals and mosques as rocket launching sites.

Thanks for the info, cuckoo brain.

 

[aris2chat]

That's not entirely true. Israel maintained control of airspace, coastline waters off Gaza and border crossings with the exception of the land border with Egypt and reserved the right to make military incursions when necessary. In addition, Israel continues to control and provide Israel will continue to provide Gaza with water, communication, electricity, and sewage networks.

They did not even have control over their own airspace or coastline and important resources could (and were) cut for any reason, by Israel.

which is legal.

Gaza is not not Troy, Masada or Constantinople. It has supply crossings from Israel and Sinai. Shortages are more from hamas unwilling to pay for supplies than from crossing closures.
If there is a shortage of building material, blame the tunnels and rockets.

I'm not talking about "legality" - I'm talking about the accuracy of a claim. Israel did not leave Gaza completely.

And nothing I said has anything to do with shortages - I was pointing out a fact which is Israel did not leave Gaza completely - they left controlling some pretty important things.

from outside. Israel has controlled the air and water space since 1979 Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty
Israel supplied 1/3 of the electric power till gaza tried to take out the Israeli power station and cut their own power supply instead. Other commodities as with everyone else in the world, have to be bought and paid for. Israel has continued to deliver humanitarian items but hamas has to buy gas, water and other items from the PA who then buys them from Israel or in emergencies others buy the items for gaza like fuel when hamas won't fork over the money and intentionally causing blackouts and rolling schedules of a few hours a day.
Gaza raise fish in hatcheries, grow many of their own vegetables, raise goats sheep and cows for milk and meat, more than a third of the population rely on UN for their needs. Malls are well stocked as are most grocery stores. Basic medical supplies get delivered, some elective or alternative meds are not included and have to be bought separately. Israel still treats gazans in Israel hospitals on a permit basis issued by the PA or emergency basis.
Items that can be used in weapons are still restricted, and building items for the UN are cleared but too often hijacked by hamas.
Egypt has been more strict with their crossing because of attacks in sinai and smuggling through tunnels.

 

[RoccoR]

SherriMunnerlyn, et al,

Depending on which panel or commission you cite, you get different answers.

It is not legal, The International Red Cross calls the blockade of Gaza an act of collective punishment, a war crime under The Fourth Geneva Convention.

(COMMENT)

One of the most muddled reports I've ever read is the Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict (A/HRC/12/48); which spreads blame around everywhere. The most analytical report has to be the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Expert Meeting: Occupation and Other Forms of Administration of Foreign Territory. And the most thought provoking was the ICRC Report on International Humanitarian Law and the Challenges of Contemporary Armed Conflicts.

The most misused report has been, and continues to be, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) Advisory Opinion on the Legal consequences of the construction of a wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (2004 9 July General List No. 131), which many people cite as stating the Wall is "illegal;" but seldom say why.

The Advisory opinion stated that the Wall, inside the Occupied Territory was in contravention to their finding. It doesn't say that the Wall is "illegal." Similarly, the Report of the Secretary-General’s Panel of Inquiry on the 31 May 2010 Flotilla Incident states that the "naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law."

Depending on the criteria used, the outcome may be proven differently. It should be noticed that the ICJ Court only took briefs from Muslim countries; no country spoke on Israel's behalf. That, in itself is telling on the issue of justice and the intent to have a predetermined outcome. Relative to the "blockade" - the panel stated (Para 72) that: The Panel notes in this regard that the uncertain legal status of Gaza under international law cannot mean that Israel has no right to self-defence against armed attacks directed toward its territory."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Roudy]

Grad Rocket Launchers Discovered Next to Gaza School - YouTube

They keep trying to spin and squirm like weasels, desperately avoiding the truth.

 

[Roudy]

Putting words into my mouth I did not say says nothing about absolutely anything.

The Blockade is unlawful, deal with that fact.

And Israel occupies Gaza.

It is not legal, The International Red Cross calls the blockade of Gaza an act of collective punishment, a war crime under The Fourth Geneva Convention.

So the Red Cross said it's okay to launch rockets at Israeli civilians, and for Palestinians to use their own people as human shields, and use schools, hospitals and mosques as rocket launching sites.

Thanks for the info, cuckoo brain.

Blockading a terrorist group that shoots rockets into civilian cities and is dedicated to commit mass murder is unlawful? Speaking of "unlawful", then what are Hamas' actions considered, you friggin idiot. They are the epitome of lawlessness and barbarism.

 

[Daniyel]

Putting words into my mouth I did not say says nothing about absolutely anything.

The Blockade is unlawful, deal with that fact.

And Israel occupies Gaza.

So the Red Cross said it's okay to launch rockets at Israeli civilians, and for Palestinians to use their own people as human shields, and use schools, hospitals and mosques as rocket launching sites.

Thanks for the info, cuckoo brain.

Blockading a terrorist group that shoots rockets into civilian cities and is dedicated to commit mass murder is illegal? Speaking of illegal, then what are Hamas' actions considered, you friggin idiot.

Being 'Hamas' is illegal.

 

[Billo_Really]

SherriMunnerlyn, et al,

Depending on which panel or commission you cite, you get different answers.

It is not legal, The International Red Cross calls the blockade of Gaza an act of collective punishment, a war crime under The Fourth Geneva Convention.

(COMMENT)

One of the most muddled reports I've ever read is the Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict (A/HRC/12/48); which spreads blame around everywhere. The most analytical report has to be the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Expert Meeting: Occupation and Other Forms of Administration of Foreign Territory. And the most thought provoking was the ICRC Report on International Humanitarian Law and the Challenges of Contemporary Armed Conflicts.

The most misused report has been, and continues to be, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) Advisory Opinion on the Legal consequences of the construction of a wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (2004 9 July General List No. 131), which many people cite as stating the Wall is "illegal;" but seldom say why.

The Advisory opinion stated that the Wall, inside the Occupied Territory was in contravention to their finding. It doesn't say that the Wall is "illegal." Similarly, the Report of the Secretary-General’s Panel of Inquiry on the 31 May 2010 Flotilla Incident states that the "naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law."

Depending on the criteria used, the outcome may be proven differently. It should be noticed that the ICJ Court only took briefs from Muslim countries; no country spoke on Israel's behalf. That, in itself is telling on the issue of justice and the intent to have a predetermined outcome. Relative to the "blockade" - the panel stated (Para 72) that: The Panel notes in this regard that the uncertain legal status of Gaza under international law cannot mean that Israel has no right to self-defence against armed attacks directed toward its territory."

Most Respectfully,
R

Will you stop pushing that bullshit Palmer Report? It has been completely debunked.

That commission was not even convened to determine the legality of the blockade.

Jesus Christ, that dog don't hunt!

For a blockade to be legal, you have to be in a state of war with a sovereign nation. Since Israel does not recognize Gaza as a sovereign nation, it cannot impose a legal blockade on the population.

And anyone who thinks starving Gazan children has anything to do with Israeli national security, is a total scumbag.

Here they are attacking more hospitals...

Another Israeli Attack on a Hospital, Another War Crime

Israeli tanks attacked Al Aqsa hospital in Deir Al Balah three times this afternoon, killing five patients and doctors, and injuring more than 70.

The third and fourth floors, housing the emergency department, orthopaedic department, surgical department, and the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) were destroyed. Operating theatres had to cease work because of the lack of oxygen.

Patients are being evacuated to the already over-stretched Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, and the European Gaza Hospital between Rafah and Khan Younes, which has also been damaged by Israeli fire.

And no, they weren't being used for military operations and had no weapons caches being stored there. Anyone who cares to spew this disgusting BS talking point, talk to the hand, because I'm sick of your inhuman lies!

So is the rest of the world!





Why do some people want to wipe out Israel?

Because they have good reason to.

 

[Billo_Really]

Neither is the Taliban or Al Queda, stooopido.

Thanks for the 411, Heir Hitler!

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Hossfly]

SherriMunnerlyn, et al,

Depending on which panel or commission you cite, you get different answers.

It is not legal, The International Red Cross calls the blockade of Gaza an act of collective punishment, a war crime under The Fourth Geneva Convention.

(COMMENT)

One of the most muddled reports I've ever read is the Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict (A/HRC/12/48); which spreads blame around everywhere. The most analytical report has to be the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Expert Meeting: Occupation and Other Forms of Administration of Foreign Territory. And the most thought provoking was the ICRC Report on International Humanitarian Law and the Challenges of Contemporary Armed Conflicts.

The most misused report has been, and continues to be, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) Advisory Opinion on the Legal consequences of the construction of a wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (2004 9 July General List No. 131), which many people cite as stating the Wall is "illegal;" but seldom say why.

The Advisory opinion stated that the Wall, inside the Occupied Territory was in contravention to their finding. It doesn't say that the Wall is "illegal." Similarly, the Report of the Secretary-General’s Panel of Inquiry on the 31 May 2010 Flotilla Incident states that the "naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law."

Depending on the criteria used, the outcome may be proven differently. It should be noticed that the ICJ Court only took briefs from Muslim countries; no country spoke on Israel's behalf. That, in itself is telling on the issue of justice and the intent to have a predetermined outcome. Relative to the "blockade" - the panel stated (Para 72) that: The Panel notes in this regard that the uncertain legal status of Gaza under international law cannot mean that Israel has no right to self-defence against armed attacks directed toward its territory."

Most Respectfully,
R

Will you stop pushing that bullshit Palmer Report? It has been completely debunked.

That commission was not even convened to determine the legality of the blockade.

Jesus Christ, that dog don't hunt!

For a blockade to be legal, you have to be in a state of war with a sovereign nation. Since Israel does not recognize Gaza as a sovereign nation, it cannot impose a legal blockade on the population.

And anyone who thinks starving Gazan children has anything to do with Israeli national security, is a total scumbag.

Here they are attacking more hospitals...

Another Israeli Attack on a Hospital, Another War Crime

Israeli tanks attacked Al Aqsa hospital in Deir Al Balah three times this afternoon, killing five patients and doctors, and injuring more than 70.

The third and fourth floors, housing the emergency department, orthopaedic department, surgical department, and the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) were destroyed. Operating theatres had to cease work because of the lack of oxygen.

Patients are being evacuated to the already over-stretched Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, and the European Gaza Hospital between Rafah and Khan Younes, which has also been damaged by Israeli fire.

And no, they weren't being used for military operations and had no weapons caches being stored there. Anyone who cares to spew this disgusting BS talking point, talk to the hand, because I'm sick of your inhuman lies!

So is the rest of the world!





Why do some people want to wipe out Israel?

Because they have good reason to.

Everything is done for a reason Billo. Stop using construction materials for building tunnels to smuggle weapons and contraband and the blockade eases up. Another thing. What earthly reason are the tunnels from Gaza into Israel for except to kill and kidnap inside Israel? No one just tunnels into another country. The IDF should pump truckloads of gasoline into those tunnels to flush the vermin before blowing them up. That would be the humanitarian thing to do.

 

[irosie91]

Hossie------Israel will not instill gasoline or -----gases into the tunnels-----
doing so is an islamo Nazi technique

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Israel is already gassing the people in Gaza, so sure they would gas tunnels, no doubt about that.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I rely on international law and international legal authorities for my opinions, like the ICJ and the ICRC.

SherriMunnerlyn, et al,

Depending on which panel or commission you cite, you get different answers.

It is not legal, The International Red Cross calls the blockade of Gaza an act of collective punishment, a war crime under The Fourth Geneva Convention.

(COMMENT)

One of the most muddled reports I've ever read is the Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict (A/HRC/12/48); which spreads blame around everywhere. The most analytical report has to be the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Expert Meeting: Occupation and Other Forms of Administration of Foreign Territory. And the most thought provoking was the ICRC Report on International Humanitarian Law and the Challenges of Contemporary Armed Conflicts.

The most misused report has been, and continues to be, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) Advisory Opinion on the Legal consequences of the construction of a wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (2004 9 July General List No. 131), which many people cite as stating the Wall is "illegal;" but seldom say why.

The Advisory opinion stated that the Wall, inside the Occupied Territory was in contravention to their finding. It doesn't say that the Wall is "illegal." Similarly, the Report of the Secretary-General’s Panel of Inquiry on the 31 May 2010 Flotilla Incident states that the "naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law."

Depending on the criteria used, the outcome may be proven differently. It should be noticed that the ICJ Court only took briefs from Muslim countries; no country spoke on Israel's behalf. That, in itself is telling on the issue of justice and the intent to have a predetermined outcome. Relative to the "blockade" - the panel stated (Para 72) that: The Panel notes in this regard that the uncertain legal status of Gaza under international law cannot mean that Israel has no right to self-defence against armed attacks directed toward its territory."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[irosie91]

can someone tell me when the red cross became an INTERNATIONAL LEGAL AUTHORITY?----
----really-----I just do not know It has "authority" over the whole world-----like
even more than the POPE?