Israel destroys el-Wafa hospital as staff evacuates all patients

[Billo_Really]

Billo said himself today that war has no winners.
Unless, of course, Israel is the loser.

When did I say that?

 

[Billo_Really]

Wow.. You just rave on and make shit up.. Those rockets found in the UN facilities were not "HIT" by Israel.. The ******* UN found them when they went to prepare the grounds to take refugees from the fighting..

CHamas HIDING weapons on UN PROPERTY --- is what the "first time" reference was about. Had NOTHING to do with Israel or "bullshit excuses".. You need to get some control of that hate and anger before you melt totally down..

You're not getting my point. Israel targeted and hit a UN school during their Cast Lead offensive. They also hit a UN facility in their war with Lebanon. Israel has priors. And none of the civilian structures Israel has hit in this current barbaric aggression, have been shown to have weapons or used for military purposes.

All you can do, is attack anyone criticizing Israel. That's all you do! That's all you ever do!

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel will once again clean out most of the rat’s nest of Islamic terrorism that is Gaza. However, unless they deliver an overwhelming and humiliating defeat to Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc., the whiny good-for-nothings in Gaza will just bend and scrape before the international community for more welfare dollars. They will eventually re-arm and resume shelling Israel with rockets as they have done for decades.

Israel is actively looking to destroy the Hamas tunnels (built with welfare dollars intended for food and humanitarian measures), which were constructed by Islamic terrorists to allow for murders and kidnapping of Israeli civilians and to hide weapons which were not otherwise being stored in UNWRA schools.

They're not terrorists, Israel is.

 

[Ropey]

http://canada.gotnewswire.com/news/...ts-infiltrate-south-israel-via-tunnel-haaretz

 

[Billo_Really]

So, you're now backtracking on your nonsensical "occupation" lie.

Good for you and May Allah bless you for that one bit of honesty you were forced to admit.

What is wrong with you, troll? Are you that retarded?

I'm not backtracking anything. I've consistently said Israel never left Gaza because they continue to maintain effective control of the entire area. A physical presence is not needed to satisfy the definition of an occupation. Yes, Gaza is still under occupation, so why don't you take your troll ass and go to hell!

You are one of the biggest liars at this website!

 

[Hollie]

So, you're now backtracking on your nonsensical "occupation" lie.

Good for you and May Allah bless you for that one bit of honesty you were forced to admit.

What is wrong with you, troll? Are you that retarded?

I'm not backtracking anything. I've consistently said Israel never left Gaza because they continue to maintain effective control of the entire area. A physical presence is not needed to satisfy the definition of an occupation. Yes, Gaza is still under occupation, so why don't you take your troll ass and go to hell!

You are one of the biggest liars at this website!

Oh, you poor dear. You just become incensed when your nonsense claims are exposed as fraudulent. You so desperately need to promote your Islamist heroes that you will cling to every excuse for incompetence and ineptitude to support your Hamas heroes. C

 

[Hollie]

Israel will once again clean out most of the rat’s nest of Islamic terrorism that is Gaza. However, unless they deliver an overwhelming and humiliating defeat to Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc., the whiny good-for-nothings in Gaza will just bend and scrape before the international community for more welfare dollars. They will eventually re-arm and resume shelling Israel with rockets as they have done for decades.

Israel is actively looking to destroy the Hamas tunnels (built with welfare dollars intended for food and humanitarian measures), which were constructed by Islamic terrorists to allow for murders and kidnapping of Israeli civilians and to hide weapons which were not otherwise being stored in UNWRA schools.

They're not terrorists, Israel is.

How strange. So much of the relevant first world defines Hamas as an Islamic terrorist organization, yet to you, they are heroes.

Promoting a Death Cult makes you feel better about yourself?

 

[flacaltenn]

So, you're now backtracking on your nonsensical "occupation" lie.

Good for you and May Allah bless you for that one bit of honesty you were forced to admit.

What is wrong with you, troll? Are you that retarded?

I'm not backtracking anything. I've consistently said Israel never left Gaza because they continue to maintain effective control of the entire area. A physical presence is not needed to satisfy the definition of an occupation. Yes, Gaza is still under occupation, so why don't you take your troll ass and go to hell!

You are one of the biggest liars at this website!

This is not true at all.. That "Israel never left Gaza".. They left it COMPLETELY with no blockade after negotiating with the Palestinian Authority.. What happened is that the Palestinians went to war with EACH OTHER for control of the District and HAMAS won.

All of the arrangements went down the tubes after that..

 

[flacaltenn]

That's getting a bit over-dramatic ain't it Billo? Where do those tunnels go? And what is their primary use? It's to kidnap and kill Israel citizens while they sleep.. When YOUR tunnels come into MY YARD and my stuff starts to go missing --- I'm blowing your damn tunnels all the way back to their damn sources..

The tunnels are not for killing Israeli citizens, it's to keep their economy going under the illegal and immoral siege of Gaza. Gazans are completely cut off from the rest of the world. They don't deserve this. Those tunnels are the only way they can get fuel for their generators, medical supplies for their hospitals and food for their citizens.

If Israel ended the blockade, the tunnels would go away.

If I shot at you, you'd have every right to shoot back. But you don't have a right to encircle my property and prevent me from having access to the street. You do not have the right to tell me what I can (and cannot) have on my property. The only thing you have a right to do, is to tell me not to shoot at you, or you'll shoot back. But that's not the case here, because you're the one who's been shooting first.

Israeli missile attacks are more numerous and frequent than the rocket attacks.

Now, before I end this post, I need to tell you that I have done a little more research on whether or not a hospital can be targeted. I stated before that it couldn't be targeted under any conditions. I was wrong. If rockets are fired from the facility, it can be targeted. The qualifier is that it has to present an "imminent" threat to military forces, for it to be a legal target. Even in that case, there must be a certain amount of time to allow the hospital to vacate its patients from the premises.

However, that wasn't the case for the Wafa hospital. Rockets were fired from 100 meters away and Israeli authorities have admitted they knew the hospital had no weapons. Therefore, under the 4th Geneva Convention, it was illegal to target that hospital.

Firing from a medical facility is not the only issue. If the hospital is being used for cover for Command/Control of military operations it is also in violation of general agreements.

That would be another "imminent threat to military forces".. And as I've posted, Hamas did just that in 2009.. They had a major military command center in an Israeli built bomb shelter in the basement of a major Gaza hospital..

 

[TemplarKormac]

Had to use this in two other threads:

 

[Ava]

So, you're now backtracking on your nonsensical "occupation" lie.

Good for you and May Allah bless you for that one bit of honesty you were forced to admit.

What is wrong with you, troll? Are you that retarded?

I'm not backtracking anything. I've consistently said Israel never left Gaza because they continue to maintain effective control of the entire area. A physical presence is not needed to satisfy the definition of an occupation. Yes, Gaza is still under occupation, so why don't you take your troll ass and go to hell!

You are one of the biggest liars at this website!

This is not true at all.. That "Israel never left Gaza".. They left it COMPLETELY with no blockade after negotiating with the Palestinian Authority.. What happened is that the Palestinians went to war with EACH OTHER for control of the District and HAMAS won.

All of the arrangements went down the tubes after that..

All true.

 

[Coyote]

So, you're now backtracking on your nonsensical "occupation" lie.

Good for you and May Allah bless you for that one bit of honesty you were forced to admit.

What is wrong with you, troll? Are you that retarded?

I'm not backtracking anything. I've consistently said Israel never left Gaza because they continue to maintain effective control of the entire area. A physical presence is not needed to satisfy the definition of an occupation. Yes, Gaza is still under occupation, so why don't you take your troll ass and go to hell!

You are one of the biggest liars at this website!

This is not true at all.. That "Israel never left Gaza".. They left it COMPLETELY with no blockade after negotiating with the Palestinian Authority.. What happened is that the Palestinians went to war with EACH OTHER for control of the District and HAMAS won.

All of the arrangements went down the tubes after that..

That's not entirely true. Israel maintained control of airspace, coastline waters off Gaza and border crossings with the exception of the land border with Egypt and reserved the right to make military incursions when necessary. In addition, Israel continues to control and provide Israel will continue to provide Gaza with water, communication, electricity, and sewage networks.

They did not even have control over their own airspace or coastline and important resources could (and were) cut for any reason, by Israel.

 

[aris2chat]

What is wrong with you, troll? Are you that retarded?

I'm not backtracking anything. I've consistently said Israel never left Gaza because they continue to maintain effective control of the entire area. A physical presence is not needed to satisfy the definition of an occupation. Yes, Gaza is still under occupation, so why don't you take your troll ass and go to hell!

You are one of the biggest liars at this website!

This is not true at all.. That "Israel never left Gaza".. They left it COMPLETELY with no blockade after negotiating with the Palestinian Authority.. What happened is that the Palestinians went to war with EACH OTHER for control of the District and HAMAS won.

All of the arrangements went down the tubes after that..

That's not entirely true. Israel maintained control of airspace, coastline waters off Gaza and border crossings with the exception of the land border with Egypt and reserved the right to make military incursions when necessary. In addition, Israel continues to control and provide Israel will continue to provide Gaza with water, communication, electricity, and sewage networks.

They did not even have control over their own airspace or coastline and important resources could (and were) cut for any reason, by Israel.

which is legal.

Gaza is not not Troy, Masada or Constantinople. It has supply crossings from Israel and Sinai. Shortages are more from hamas unwilling to pay for supplies than from crossing closures.
If there is a shortage of building material, blame the tunnels and rockets.

 

[Billo_Really]

which is legal.

Gaza is not not Troy, Masada or Constantinople. It has supply crossings from Israel and Sinai. Shortages are more from hamas unwilling to pay for supplies than from crossing closures.
If there is a shortage of building material, blame the tunnels and rockets.

No it is not legal! It collectively punishes the entire 1.7 million people in Gaza. That's a war crime.

And the only reason the blockade started in the first place, was because Gazan's would vote for Israel's *****, in a fair, democratic election.

 

[Billo_Really]

Firing from a medical facility is not the only issue. If the hospital is being used for cover for Command/Control of military operations it is also in violation of general agreements.

That would be another "imminent threat to military forces".. And as I've posted, Hamas did just that in 2009.. They had a major military command center in an Israeli built bomb shelter in the basement of a major Gaza hospital..

That's quite a general agreement?

Gazan's are not permitted to have a military to defend themselves against foreign army's.

 

[Indeependent]

which is legal.

Gaza is not not Troy, Masada or Constantinople. It has supply crossings from Israel and Sinai. Shortages are more from hamas unwilling to pay for supplies than from crossing closures.
If there is a shortage of building material, blame the tunnels and rockets.

No it is not legal! It collectively punishes the entire 1.7 million people in Gaza. That's a war crime.

And the only reason the blockade started in the first place, was because Gazan's would vote for Israel's *****, in a fair, democratic election.

Let's drop the bullshit...
It's 2005 and Israel hands Aza over to the animals.
What happens next?

 

[Billo_Really]

This is not true at all.. That "Israel never left Gaza".. They left it COMPLETELY with no blockade after negotiating with the Palestinian Authority.. What happened is that the Palestinians went to war with EACH OTHER for control of the District and HAMAS won.

All of the arrangements went down the tubes after that..

You're wrong. You're absolutely wrong!

Maintaining "effective control", is not leaving.

Haaretz reported that “The main message Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will bring to meetings with world leaders at the United Nations General Assembly this week is that Israeli responsibility for the Gaza Strip has come to an end.” Sharon had “adopted the Foreign Ministry’s position that it would be out of place to declare ‘the end of the occupation’ in Gaza, at least as long as the Palestinians do not control the border crossings, airspace and territorial waters. Instead, the ministry prefers ‘the end of Israeli responsibility.’” In other words, Israel would reject any suggestion that it had responsibility for the suffering of the people in a territory that it proceeded to place under a state of siege, a calamitous situation that persists to this day.

And there was no fight for control that put Hamas on top.

Hamas’s Democratic Gains

It was under these circumstances that the Hamas began most dramatically to evolve away from a terrorist organization bent on Israel’s destruction towards a legitimate political force seeking a negotiated settlement. While the Palestinian Authority (PA) under President Mahmoud Abbas had increasingly become seen as corrupt and ineffectual, Hamas had increasingly become seen as a viable alternative that would clean up the corruption and more faithfully defend the rights of Palestinians as it pursued the goal of statehood, such as by refusing to recognize that the unilateral declaration of the establishment of state of Israel and subsequent ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948 had any legitimacy, refusing to renounce the right to armed resistance, and insisting on the right recognized under international law of Palestinian refugees to return to their homeland.

Hamas stormed the political arena in force in 2005. In January of that year, prior to scheduled municipal elections, a report from the U.S. State Department observed that Hamas was “Neck and Neck” with Fatah, the party under the leadership of President Abbas, with “a majority of both [Fatah] and Hamas supporters” backing “a continuation of the ceasefire, ongoing talks with Israel, and a two-state solution.” It noted that Palestinians “tend to see Hamas as more qualified to clean up corruption, resist occupation, and uphold societal values”, and that the “lack of hope in the peace process may also contribute to support for Hamas.” In other words, by rejecting the two-state solution, Israel was effectively helping, once again, to empower Hamas. A little over a week later, Hamas won an overwhelming victory in the municipal elections, gaining 75 out of 118 seats in 10 local councils, and with Fatah winning only 39 seats.

Hamas continued to gain council seats in further municipal elections in May.

But rather than encouraging Hamas’s engagement in the political process, Israel continued to seek to isolate the group.

Instead of encouraging Hamas to moderate its behavior, Israel continued to attempt to provoke the group into a violent response. ​

Israel sent the message to Hamas that its steps towards moderation and political engagement would bear no fruit. When Hamas cleaned the streets, Israeli bulldozers and tanks destroyed them, and when Hamas erected streetlights, Israeli soldiers shot them out.

When Hamas cleaned the streets, Israel destroyed them. And when they put up street lights, the Israeli's shot them out.

That is just mean and un-called for.

Hamas isn't the problem. Israeli aggression is the problem.

 

[Billo_Really]

Let's drop the bullshit...
It's 2005 and Israel hands Aza over to the animals.
What happens next?

It's not bullshit and the Pals are not animals.

See above for the rest.

 

[skye]

What is wrong with you, troll? Are you that retarded?

I'm not backtracking anything. I've consistently said Israel never left Gaza because they continue to maintain effective control of the entire area. A physical presence is not needed to satisfy the definition of an occupation. Yes, Gaza is still under occupation, so why don't you take your troll ass and go to hell!

You are one of the biggest liars at this website!

This is not true at all.. That "Israel never left Gaza".. They left it COMPLETELY with no blockade after negotiating with the Palestinian Authority.. What happened is that the Palestinians went to war with EACH OTHER for control of the District and HAMAS won.

All of the arrangements went down the tubes after that..

That's not entirely true. Israel maintained control of airspace, coastline waters off Gaza and border crossings with the exception of the land border with Egypt and reserved the right to make military incursions when necessary. In addition, Israel continues to control and provide Israel will continue to provide Gaza with water, communication, electricity, and sewage networks.

They did not even have control over their own airspace or coastline and important resources could (and were) cut for any reason, by Israel.

So far we have established that Israel does not occupy Gaza.

After Gaza was handed back to the Palestinians by Israel and Ariel Sharon in 2005 ,there was no blockade in force whatsoever.

It was only when the terrorist organization Hamas commenced its terrorists activities against Israeli civilians, that it became necessary to enforce a blockade by land, sea and air -NOT AN OCCUPATION, don't confuse the two!

The reason for the blockade is to stop Hamas acquiring armaments, missiles and materials from its suppliers such as Iran, which could be used in their terrorist activities.

Once again, these are the facts and if Hamas would stop its terrorism against Israel and even against Egypt, then the blockades by Israel and Egypt may be lifted.....if Hamas acted in good faith.

It's that simple.

 

[aris2chat]

which is legal.

Gaza is not not Troy, Masada or Constantinople. It has supply crossings from Israel and Sinai. Shortages are more from hamas unwilling to pay for supplies than from crossing closures.
If there is a shortage of building material, blame the tunnels and rockets.

No it is not legal! It collectively punishes the entire 1.7 million people in Gaza. That's a war crime.

And the only reason the blockade started in the first place, was because Gazan's would vote for Israel's *****, in a fair, democratic election.

It's time to bust the ?Israeli blockade led to Hamas rockets? myth ? Telegraph Blogs

First Lesson of Gaza War: The Blockade Works | FrontPage Magazine

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/un-report-gaza-blockade-legal-israel-doesn-t-owe-turkey-apology-for-marmara-1.371841

>>The fundamental principle of the freedom of navigation on the high seas is subject to only certain limited exceptions under international law. Israel faces a real threat to its security from militant groups in Gaza. The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law.<<Palmer Report