Israel accused of war crimes (UK Parliament)

[Kondor3]

No one in the video expressed hatred of Jews . . . what they did express was concern over Israel's ill-treatment of Palestinians. ~ Susan

What ill-treatment would that be, Susan? Could you be more specific?

How about murdering 2,000 of then, mostly civilians including children over a few weeks?

Somebody murdered 2000 Palestinians in recent weeks?

I'm aware of some 2000 Palestinian deaths in recent weeks due to the cowardly embedding by Hamas of war-assets within Gazan residential districts and within hospitals and schools and mosques, requiring legitimate military targeting of those war-assets - and those mostly only after issuing preliminary warnings, which the Israelis were not obliged to do - but, murder? Nahhhhhhhh... I don't recall any such thing.

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

Another intellectually challenged American, England is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

Don't be a pedantic ass. Scotland's leaving soon as did Ireland long ago. What "United Kingdom"? What "Great Britain"? Pretentious tags with zero meaning. England will soon consist of nothing more than half an island and a little piece of Northern Ireland, and it's probably just a matter of time before they lose the latter. England is an irrelevancy in the world any longer, and has been since the end of WWI. They hate Americans because we are what they aren't: top dog on the planet. They also hate us because they're beholden to us for pulling their ass out of the fire...twice. **** England. They're not worth saving a third time.

 

[Kondor3]

Wake me up when anything comes of this within Parliament.

Yup, you hit the nail on the head there. There are far too many corrupt "Friends of Israel" in Parliament for anything to come out of this montage of opinions; buy hey, any publicity is good publicity and our general election is coming up on 7th May 2015, who knows, a few of them might get kicked out..

Perhaps. But, any so-called 'corrupt' friends of Israel within Parliament are probably more than compensated for, by the large numbers of NON-corrupt friends of Israel within that same Parliament, and, of course, given the large and overwhelming support for Israel in the US (despite the tepid actions of Obumble), the UK will not risk pissing off the US in this context, even if corrupt opponents of Israel in Parliament ever managed to attain a majority.

Nope. the very few non-"Friends of Israel" are probably the people you see in that montage, everyone else , like the US Senate and Congress is bought and paid for. If the Con-Dems get kicked out, there's a chance we could risk pissing off the US a little bit, let's face it the US needs all the "friends" it can get at the moment.

With Russia knocking on the doorstep of Eastern Europe, and with Scotland threatening to pull out of the Union, you need us right now a lot more than we need you.

Besides... who bought and paid for your PM's or our Congressfolk... in an Israel context?

 

[montelatici]

No one in the video expressed hatred of Jews . . . what they did express was concern over Israel's ill-treatment of Palestinians. ~ Susan

What ill-treatment would that be, Susan? Could you be more specific?

How about murdering 2,000 of then, mostly civilians including children over a few weeks?

Somebody murdered 2000 Palestinians in recent weeks?

I'm aware of some 2000 Palestinian deaths in recent weeks due to the cowardly embedding by Hamas of war-assets within Gazan residential districts and within hospitals and schools and mosques, requiring legitimate military targeting of those war-assets - and those mostly only after issuing preliminary warnings, which the Israelis were not obliged to do - but, murder? Nahhhhhhhh... I don't recall any such thing.

It was cold-blooded murder. Repeating a lie over and over again doesn't work Mr. Goebbels.

 

[Lipush]

The world is waking up to what Israel is all about! ~ Susan

UK who conquered half the world and is reponsible for deaths of countless of innocent men, women and children, is here to play the responsible adult?

Isn't that rich

 

[Kondor3]

No one in the video expressed hatred of Jews . . . what they did express was concern over Israel's ill-treatment of Palestinians. ~ Susan

What ill-treatment would that be, Susan? Could you be more specific?

How about murdering 2,000 of then, mostly civilians including children over a few weeks?

Somebody murdered 2000 Palestinians in recent weeks?

I'm aware of some 2000 Palestinian deaths in recent weeks due to the cowardly embedding by Hamas of war-assets within Gazan residential districts and within hospitals and schools and mosques, requiring legitimate military targeting of those war-assets - and those mostly only after issuing preliminary warnings, which the Israelis were not obliged to do - but, murder? Nahhhhhhhh... I don't recall any such thing.

It was cold-blooded murder. Repeating a lie over and over again doesn't work Mr. Goebbels.

No, it was not cold-blooded murder.

It meets neither the legal nor legitimate metaphorical criteria to assume such a label.

And, there is no lie at-work here, in connection with Hamas embedding war-assets within Gazan civilian areas.

Unless, of course, you are prepared to effectively dispute the idea that Hamas was doing just that.

Given that Hamas has taken hits from high-end UN and humanitarian agencies for doing just that, well...

As to the 'Goebbels' thing, well, I made no such inferences or accusations directed at you.

Your choosing to engage in personal insults is merely indicative of the weakness of your position.

There was no murder of 2,000 people.

There were, indeed, 2,000 people killed on the Gazan side in the latest Israeli-Gazan War.

But very few, if any, of those 2,000 deaths, can rightfully be labeled as 'murder', in either the legal nor the broadly-acceptable metaphorical sense.

Sorry.

Not.

 

[Indeependent]

But if the Jews own the media...?

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

But if the Jews own the media...?

They don't own CCTV, or Al Jazeera, or RT TV, or BBC America, or Newsmax, or thousands of other well-informed news sources available online. MSM is for the proles, couch potatoes too stupid or too lazy to think for themselves. Besides, Jews in media in America are mostly old school Marxists, hardcore leftists half of whom hate Israel as much any Palestinian. Ditto American Jewish academics. Maybe you missed the part back in the Second Infitada when IDF soldiers were intentionally shooting at, and trying to kill, CNN correspondents on the urban battlefield. There was a message in that.

 

[Humanity]

Another intellectually challenged American, England is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

Don't be a pedantic ass. Scotland's leaving soon as did Ireland long ago. What "United Kingdom"? What "Great Britain"? Pretentious tags with zero meaning. England will soon consist of nothing more than half an island and a little piece of Northern Ireland, and it's probably just a matter of time before they lose the latter. England is an irrelevancy in the world any longer, and has been since the end of WWI. They hate Americans because we are what they aren't: top dog on the planet. They also hate us because they're beholden to us for pulling their ass out of the fire...twice. **** England. They're not worth saving a third time.

WOW... What a bright, intelligent, racist, bigoted citizen of America you are...

As someone from Great Britain I find your words comical beyond belief...

Scotland's leaving soon? If you could be bothered to look at the general feeling in Scotland you would find that the majority will vote against independence. If Scotland were to leave the United Kingdom it would be an incredibly poor nation with no hope, no future. You will find that MOST English people really don't care too much whether Scotland stays or goes. You will also find that most English people want their own independence... But thats a much grander story that you will also have no idea of.

"England will soon consist of nothing more than half an island and a little piece of Northern Ireland" Really? So, Scotland makes up HALF of the land mass of the United Kingdom? Could you actually find the UK on a map? Don't be so ridiculous!

Northern Ireland has been to the vote on several occasions and chosen to stay within the union. Northern Ireland won't be leaving anytime soon.

"England is an irrelevancy in the world any longer"... Is that why the rest of Europe does not want the UK to pull out of the EU? Think you may find that you are badly mistaken.

"They hate Americans because we are what they aren't: top dog on the planet"... 1) I, as a Brit, do not hate Americans, I have MANY American friends both in America and around the world. 2) America "top dog on the planet"? Blow your own trumpet amigo... You may as well blow your trumpet up your own ass for what THAT statement is worth.

"They also hate us because they're beholden to us for pulling their ass out of the fire"... Great care needs to be taken when you go down this road... "beholden"... Think you will find that the UK paid its debt to America... The boot is on the other foot in more modern times, the Americans have to thank the UK government for backing up American lies regarding middle east.

"not worth saving a third time"... Does the UK need America to charge in and save us again? From what?

Want to see how us Brits see American 'top dog"...

 

[Kondor3]

Another intellectually challenged American, England is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

Don't be a pedantic ass. Scotland's leaving soon as did Ireland long ago. What "United Kingdom"? What "Great Britain"? Pretentious tags with zero meaning. England will soon consist of nothing more than half an island and a little piece of Northern Ireland, and it's probably just a matter of time before they lose the latter. England is an irrelevancy in the world any longer, and has been since the end of WWI. They hate Americans because we are what they aren't: top dog on the planet. They also hate us because they're beholden to us for pulling their ass out of the fire...twice. **** England. They're not worth saving a third time.

 

[Humanity]

Wake me up when anything comes of this within Parliament.

Yup, you hit the nail on the head there. There are far too many corrupt "Friends of Israel" in Parliament for anything to come out of this montage of opinions; buy hey, any publicity is good publicity and our general election is coming up on 7th May 2015, who knows, a few of them might get kicked out..

Perhaps. But, any so-called 'corrupt' friends of Israel within Parliament are probably more than compensated for, by the large numbers of NON-corrupt friends of Israel within that same Parliament, and, of course, given the large and overwhelming support for Israel in the US (despite the tepid actions of Obumble), the UK will not risk pissing off the US in this context, even if corrupt opponents of Israel in Parliament ever managed to attain a majority.

Nope. the very few non-"Friends of Israel" are probably the people you see in that montage, everyone else , like the US Senate and Congress is bought and paid for. If the Con-Dems get kicked out, there's a chance we could risk pissing off the US a little bit, let's face it the US needs all the "friends" it can get at the moment.

With Russia knocking on the doorstep of Eastern Europe, and with Scotland threatening to pull out of the Union, you need us right now a lot more than we need you.

Besides... who bought and paid for your PM's or our Congressfolk... in an Israel context?

Russia IS the doorstep of eastern Europe! Go look at a map!

Scotland is not threatening to pull out of the Union, they are having a referendum for independence. Big deal.

So, where exactly do we need you more than you need us?

Get a grip on your American patriotism and war-mongering...

I post this video again to sum up American 'patriotism' in case anyone missed it the first time...

 

[Humanity]

Another intellectually challenged American, England is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

Don't be a pedantic ass. Scotland's leaving soon as did Ireland long ago. What "United Kingdom"? What "Great Britain"? Pretentious tags with zero meaning. England will soon consist of nothing more than half an island and a little piece of Northern Ireland, and it's probably just a matter of time before they lose the latter. England is an irrelevancy in the world any longer, and has been since the end of WWI. They hate Americans because we are what they aren't: top dog on the planet. They also hate us because they're beholden to us for pulling their ass out of the fire...twice. **** England. They're not worth saving a third time.

Northern Ireland don't WANT to leave the Union...

 

[Kondor3]

Another intellectually challenged American, England is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

Don't be a pedantic ass. Scotland's leaving soon as did Ireland long ago. What "United Kingdom"? What "Great Britain"? Pretentious tags with zero meaning. England will soon consist of nothing more than half an island and a little piece of Northern Ireland, and it's probably just a matter of time before they lose the latter. England is an irrelevancy in the world any longer, and has been since the end of WWI. They hate Americans because we are what they aren't: top dog on the planet. They also hate us because they're beholden to us for pulling their ass out of the fire...twice. **** England. They're not worth saving a third time.

Northern Ireland don't WANT to leave the Union...

That is a mixed bag.

However, the time will come when the Catholic majority in Southern Ireland, and the large Catholic minority in Northern Ireland, will force your hand.

Evacuate the Unionists - who are descendants of the Protestants that your ancestors planted there in an attempt to wipe-out the Catholics by land-acquisition and breeding - then resettle them in England, and leave Ireland to her unified destiny.

This is one of the last vestigial scraps of your old forcibly-imposed Empire that you still control.

Best to walk away from it before they take it from you.

Get out... leave... you're blocking the way to a unified Ireland... time to go.

 

[Kondor3]

...Russia IS the doorstep of eastern Europe! Go look at a map!

You are correct, technically speaking.

However, for practical political and economic purposes, Russia, and her vassal states (Ukraine, Belarus, etc.) are not generally thought of nor considered a part of Europe. The isolation of Czarist Russia defined that difference and the Cold War of our own times pretty much sealed that working definition in the common parlance.

So, when I say that Russia is knocking on the doorstep of Eastern Europe, I mean that it is getting (militarily) aggressive in its present and former vassal states adjoining real European countries like Poland.

And, picayune literalism aside, the observation still stands: the Russians are knocking at the door in Eastern Europe and that will affect your security and well-being far more than it will affect us; consequently, the observation that you need us to stand in solidarity with you, far more than we need you to stand in solidarity with us.

...Scotland is not threatening to pull out of the Union, they are having a referendum for independence. Big deal...

And this time the preliminary sampling polls indicate a populace in favor of Independence (with a capital "I").

If it's not such a big deal, then why are Unionists pissing their pants and offering all kinds of concessions suddenly, and why is the Queen expressing such concern?

...So, where exactly do we need you more than you need us?...

Manning the front lines in Europe.

...Get a grip on your American patriotism and war-mongering...

Well under control, and I don't see any war-mongering coming from me in this regard.

...I post this video again to sum up American 'patriotism' in case anyone missed it the first time...

Who gives a fig what Brits think of America?

You are the sons and grandsons of those fools who lost their Empire.

And you're still (collectively) jealous that we stepped into the vacuum and sidelined you, in accordance with your degraded strength and value and importance on the world stage.

Time to give-up your permanent Security Council seat to India.

At least that will put an actual world-stage 'player' in the drivers' seat, rather than has-beens who continue to fade away into irrelevancy.

 

[montelatici]

Another intellectually challenged American, England is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

Don't be a pedantic ass. Scotland's leaving soon as did Ireland long ago. What "United Kingdom"? What "Great Britain"? Pretentious tags with zero meaning. England will soon consist of nothing more than half an island and a little piece of Northern Ireland, and it's probably just a matter of time before they lose the latter. England is an irrelevancy in the world any longer, and has been since the end of WWI. They hate Americans because we are what they aren't: top dog on the planet. They also hate us because they're beholden to us for pulling their ass out of the fire...twice. **** England. They're not worth saving a third time.

Northern Ireland don't WANT to leave the Union...

That is a mixed bag.

However, the time will come when the Catholic majority in Southern Ireland, and the large Catholic minority in Northern Ireland, will force your hand.

Evacuate the Unionists - who are descendants of the Protestants that your ancestors planted there in an attempt to wipe-out the Catholics by land-acquisition and breeding - then resettle them in England, and leave Ireland to her unified destiny.

This is one of the last vestigial scraps of your old forcibly-imposed Empire that you still control.

Best to walk away from it before they take it from you.

Get out... leave... you're blocking the way to a unified Ireland... time to go.

"However, the time will come when the Catholic majority in Southern Ireland, and the large Catholic minority in Northern Ireland, will force your hand."

When will the non-Jewish majority force Israel's hand. What a hypocrite you are.

 

[Humanity]

...Russia IS the doorstep of eastern Europe! Go look at a map!

You are correct, technically speaking.

However, for practical political and economic purposes, Russia, and her vassal states (Ukraine, Belarus, etc.) are not generally thought of nor considered a part of Europe. The isolation of Czarist Russia defined that difference and the Cold War of our own times pretty much sealed that working definition in the common parlance.

So, when I say that Russia is knocking on the doorstep of Eastern Europe, I mean that it is getting (militarily) aggressive in its present and former vassal states adjoining real European countries like Poland.

And, picayune literalism aside, the observation still stands: the Russians are knocking at the door in Eastern Europe and that will affect your security and well-being far more than it will affect us; consequently, the observation that you need us to stand in solidarity with you, far more than we need you to stand in solidarity with us.

...Scotland is not threatening to pull out of the Union, they are having a referendum for independence. Big deal...

And this time the preliminary sampling polls indicate a populace in favor of Independence (with a capital "I").

If it's not such a big deal, then why are Unionists pissing their pants and offering all kinds of concessions suddenly, and why is the Queen expressing such concern?

...So, where exactly do we need you more than you need us?...

Manning the front lines in Europe.

...Get a grip on your American patriotism and war-mongering...

Well under control, and I don't see any war-mongering coming from me in this regard.

...I post this video again to sum up American 'patriotism' in case anyone missed it the first time...

Who gives a fig what Brits think of America?

You are the sons and grandsons of those fools who lost their Empire.

And you're still (collectively) jealous that we stepped into the vacuum and sidelined you, in accordance with your degraded strength and value and importance on the world stage.

Time to give-up your permanent Security Council seat to India.

At least that will put an actual world-stage 'player' in the drivers' seat, rather than has-beens who continue to fade away into irrelevancy.

In modern times the ONLY country to affect our security has been.... America...

WMD lies that were 'sold' to Blair by the American government seriously affect the security of not only the UK but the rest of Europe. Well done, thank you for that!

Scottish independence will be economic disaster for Scotland. End of story. Unionist is as Unionist does. The fact is that Scotland leaving the Union will have no negative effect on the Union economically or commercially.

I look forward to seeing all those brave GI's manning the front lines of Europe!

Let' face it, America is jealous of the European empires, of the European history...

Which vacuum was it that you stepped into? Would it be the one inside your own head?

"give-up your permanent Security Council seat to India"... And put a world stage player in the driver seat? Who? Russia? China?

And of course, let's not forget Commonwealth of Nations...

However, silly posturing is simply bluff and bluster of the past...

Taking cheap shots at each others countries could last for years...

I do, however, put the UK at some considerable fault for the mess in the middle east...

 

[Kondor3]

..."However, the time will come when the Catholic majority in Southern Ireland, and the large Catholic minority in Northern Ireland, will force your hand."

When will the non-Jewish majority force Israel's hand...

Never.

The minority have the majority penned-up in a couple of cubby-holes, and are squeezing them off of what's left.

Any time you think you can stop 'em, have at it.

...What a hypocrite you are.

Wassa madda, sugar-britches, you wake-up this morning and figure-out that the world isn't fair?

Indeed, I am a hypocrite, in the context of Ireland-vs-England, vis a vis Israel-vs-Palestine.

Fun, ain't it?

I like the Irish Catholics more than I do the English-descended Northern Irish Protestants.

I like the Israelis far better than I do the Palestinians.

Tough shit.

 

[Kondor3]

...In modern times the ONLY country to affect our security has been.... America...WMD lies that were 'sold' to Blair by the American government seriously affect the security of not only the UK but the rest of Europe. Well done, thank you for that!...

That's OK. You guys sat on your fat asses for 50 years under the American Shield while you were trying to put yourselves back together again after damned-near committing national suicide in 1914-1918 and 1939-1945, so, we're entitled to a phukk-up or two.

...Scottish independence will be economic disaster for Scotland. End of story. Unionist is as Unionist does. The fact is that Scotland leaving the Union will have no negative effect on the Union economically or commercially...

Don't tell me.

Tell the Unionists who are pissing their pants and tell that to the Queen, et al.

...I look forward to seeing all those brave GI's manning the front lines of Europe!...

Tell ya what.

You face-down Vladimir Putin and his crowd on your own.

This time, however, don't come crying to us, when you get your asses shoved back into the English Channel again.

...Let' face it, America is jealous of the European empires, of the European history...

Not really. We are your younger cousins, who learned from the stupidity of our older cousins.

...Which vacuum was it that you stepped into? Would it be the one inside your own head?...

If you cannot discern that that was metaphor for your loss of control on the world stage and our stepping-in to play policeman in your place, then the vacuum you speak of inhabits the space between your ears, not mine.

..."give-up your permanent Security Council seat to India"... And put a world stage player in the driver seat? Who? Russia? China?...

No. Just India. The US, Russia and China are already players on the world stage. You're yesterday's news. Oh, and, while you're at it (surrendering your Permanent Seat on the UN Security Council for someone who actually is a sufficient player to merit one), take France along with you. Brazil can have theirs. They're like you. Yesterday's news.

...And of course, let's not forget Commonwealth of Nations...

Something that is turning into a very forgettable arrangement.

...However, silly posturing is simply bluff and bluster of the past... Taking cheap shots at each others countries could last for years... I do, however, put the UK at some considerable fault for the mess in the middle east...

First thing that you've said that makes sense.

I agree.

Enough already.

We've both had our say.

 

[montelatici]

..."However, the time will come when the Catholic majority in Southern Ireland, and the large Catholic minority in Northern Ireland, will force your hand."

When will the non-Jewish majority force Israel's hand...

Never.

The minority have the majority penned-up in a couple of cubby-holes, and are squeezing them off of what's left.

Any time you think you can stop 'em, have at it.

...What a hypocrite you are.

Wassa madda, sugar-britches, you wake-up this morning and figure-out that the world isn't fair?

Indeed, I am a hypocrite, in the context of Ireland-vs-England, vis a vis Israel-vs-Palestine.

Fun, ain't it?

I like the Irish Catholics more than I do the English-descended Northern Irish Protestants.

I like the Israelis far better than I do the Palestinians.

Tough shit.

Yes, it is fun watching an ignorant sociopath spill his guts and admit what we all know about the Israel Firsters.

 

[toastman]

No one in the video expressed hatred of Jews . . . what they did express was concern over Israel's ill-treatment of Palestinians. ~ Susan

What ill-treatment would that be, Susan? Could you be more specific?

How about murdering 2,000 of then, mostly civilians including children over a few weeks?

How about Hamas cease ALL ROCKET FIRE at Israel and then Israel won't need to attack Hamas anymore?
Or how about Hamas build underground bomb shelters for civilians instead of tunnels or at least let civilians use

No one in the video expressed hatred of Jews . . . what they did express was concern over Israel's ill-treatment of Palestinians. ~ Susan

What ill-treatment would that be, Susan? Could you be more specific?

How about murdering 2,000 of then, mostly civilians including children over a few weeks?

Somebody murdered 2000 Palestinians in recent weeks?

I'm aware of some 2000 Palestinian deaths in recent weeks due to the cowardly embedding by Hamas of war-assets within Gazan residential districts and within hospitals and schools and mosques, requiring legitimate military targeting of those war-assets - and those mostly only after issuing preliminary warnings, which the Israelis were not obliged to do - but, murder? Nahhhhhhhh... I don't recall any such thing.

It was cold-blooded murder. Repeating a lie over and over again doesn't work Mr. Goebbels.

You can't make up your own definition of murder.
And again, stop accusing other people of lying when you spread lies in a daily basis.