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It has been established he has no claim to traditional Islamic schools of thought.Sorry, but you must be both deaf and blind then. I am aware of who the danger is to the West. It isn't the run of the mill muslim. It is the Fundamentalists who distort Islam to suit their political motives. The same Islamists who wish to opress and control even their own kind and who are prepared to kill their own to achieve those ends. We have a member of these boards who fights with Muslims against the fundamentalists. I know very well what he would say, too.
It has also been establish that those the west call " terrorist" have the high ground in the Islamic hierarchy as far as piety .
Please tell me how you tell the difference between a run of the mill muslim and a true believer?
What happens when he gets religion?
I have yet to find a muslim who will not tell those who have not study Islamic scripture exactly what they want to hear about Islam to ally their fears .
http://www.usmessageboard.com/religion-and-ethics/81748-islam-forbids.html
Fundamentalism refers to a belief in a strict adherence to a set of basic principles (often religious in nature), sometimes as a reaction to perceived doctrinal compromises with modern social and political life.[1][2][3][4]
Oh no, I'm not interested in getting involved in all that crap. Suffice to say, I am not a fan of Islam by any stretch, but I have sufficient intelligence to know that the majority of Muslims are not only true believers, but they are peaceful too. It isn't difficult to see who the Islamic politicists are. The fundamentalists intent on changing the world to their substandards. Why is it that some are intent on painting the majorities, whether they be Muslim or any other denomination, race or creed, with the sins of the minorities!
The Population Bomb ― Why Islam World's Fastest-growing Religion
The best way to describe the most powerful weapon aiding the advent of the evil ideology of Islam is the late Yasser Arafat's statement that his greatest asset and weapon was not any militant group but the Arab mother. Arafat knew, as we must know, that the rate of reproduction of Muslims threatens to make Israel a Muslim-majority state by the end of the century! No need for any serious diplomacy or peace deals - just keep the mania going for a few more decades, and Israeli Muslims will be powerful enough to force the Jews into submission.
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I am sick of hearing how peaceful and wonderful the Muslim/Islam religion is. It is the most violent and
corrupt of anything the world has seen since the dark ages. Which is where they wish to take the world.
And as far as Muslims on a whole go they are awfully silent when the you know what hits the fan with these Islamic wackos. Until things change and that may take a very long time we need to kill as many of them as possible before they kill us.
I am sick of hearing how peaceful and wonderful the Muslim/Islam religion is. It is the most violent and
corrupt of anything the world has seen since the dark ages. Which is where they wish to take the world.
And as far as Muslims on a whole go they are awfully silent when the you know what hits the fan with these Islamic wackos. Until things change and that may take a very long time we need to kill as many of them as possible before they kill us.
It is not prejudicial to object to an ideology that calls for my death.This is a thread of prejudice. Please ignore.
It is not prejudicial to object to an ideology that calls for my death.This is a thread of prejudice. Please ignore.
It is not prejudicial to object to an ideology that calls for my death.This is a thread of prejudice. Please ignore.
The ideology you are talking about does not include all of Islam.
I concur colin, but then all religion is a load of bollocks, and full of crimes against humanity.fundamentalist Islamists who distort Islam to suit their own perverted aims.
There is no evidence of this .
Sorry, but you must be both deaf and blind then. I am aware of who the danger is to the West. It isn't the run of the mill muslim. It is the Fundamentalists who distort Islam to suit their political motives. The same Islamists who wish to opress and control even their own kind and who are prepared to kill their own to achieve those ends. We have a member of these boards who fights with Muslims against the fundamentalists. I know very well what he would say, too.
It includes scriptural Islam.
8:39
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc193
According to your preferred translation when does the fighting stop under what conditions?It includes scriptural Islam.
8:39
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc193
8:39. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
at least get the quotes right. 8. Spoils Of War, Booty
your anaysis of the word opression is nonsense. opression means people who try to opress muslims. the directions are clear, fight them, but if they stop attacking/ opressing muslims, then muslims must stop too.
in fact, youre explaining islam as an extremist might explain it to justify his violence. just because you choose to copy such interpretation from a small minority in islam, does not mean that all of islam does. it just means that those extremists/ terrorists manage to push their scare tactics on you.
ask any normal muslim how they feel about for example suiside (bombings) and they will tell you its not permitted in islam.
It is not prejudicial to object to an ideology that calls for my death.
The ideology you are talking about does not include all of Islam.
It includes scriptural Islam.
8:39
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc193
http://www.ummah.com/what-is-islam/quran/noble/
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Is there an Arabic word for these oppressors ?
The Noble Quran's Search Results:
Seems there is little doubt as to the use of the word oppressor in this verse.
In the Arabic the word is Zâlimûn
Polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust.
The Noble Quran's Search Results:
Apparently the same arabic word is used to describe oppresors in 2:193 and 2:254
Quraan Transliteration
That means disbelief is oppression
