Is Water Redistribution To Control Climate Change A Viable Option ?

[Monk-Eye]

" Preference Is For Progress Slow And Steady "

* Debilitation Of Battle Field Transport Causes Rapid Erosion *

If you mean dumping water on s raging forrest fire thats ok
But seeding the heavens with water to mitigate the global warming disaster hoax the answer is no

The scheme would be to route water to specific outlet locations to affect moisture content in general areas of terrain , rather than seeding the atmosphere with silver nitrates to spawn significant rainfall .

The suggested method of seeding the atmosphere ls to reflect sunlight in the upper atmosphere with confetti .

 

[Mac-7]

" Preference Is For Progress Slow And Steady "

* Debilitation Of Battle Field Transport Causes Rapid Erosion *

The scheme would be to route water to specific outlet locations to affect moisture content in general areas of terrain , rather than seeding the atmosphere with silver nitrates to spawn significant rainfall .

The suggested method of seeding the atmosphere ls to reflect sunlight in the upper atmosphere with confetti .

It sounds overly ambitious to me

The western states need drinking water and water for agriculture

To me that suggests desalination plants

 

[Crick]

Any government that can ban abortion can also require it [one child limit] ...

I reject that. Abortions require doctors or pharmaceutical companies. Pregnancies require only a man and woman. The ability to enact one is not proof of the ability to enact the other.

 

[ding]

I reject that. Abortions require doctors or pharmaceutical companies. Pregnancies require only a man and woman. The ability to enact one is not proof of the ability to enact the other.

Happened in China.

 

[Crick]

Happened in China.

How about before responding to a post you actually read it well enough to understand what is being said. I didn't say that no government could ban multiple children. I said that the ability to ban abortions is not proof of an ability to mandate single families.

FWIW, I fully support abortion on demand in the first trimester and would have no objection to a phase in of tax reforms slightly favoring single child families.

And, just to get back to the actual thread topic, redistributing water, unless one managed to do it on a scale that affected the planet's albedo, is not going to do anything.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Choosing To Retain Biomass Or Allow Desertification "

* Clear Cut Brush To Control Forest Fires Or Moisten Soil In Tactical Locations *

And, just to get back to the actual thread topic, redistributing water, unless one managed to do it on a scale that affected the planet's albedo, is not going to do anything.

One could have an irrigation system with a programmable timer , however it is far more expensive and less effective for need and want than spot watering .

A financial expense is optioned over the expense of taking the time to water , or over the expense in not watering and vegetation dying .

 

[Crick]

" Shielding Materials Through Light Dispersal "

* Absorption And Heat Capacity *

That is somewhat true

No, it is absolutely and demonstrably true.

while moisture disperses sunlight before infra red radiation is absorbed more deeply by materials with greater heat capacity.

This statement is nonsense for several reasons:

1) Water vapor is transparent to visible light, the primary component of "sunlight". It does NOT "disperse" it.
2) There is very little infrared in the light from the sun. The infrared at the center of the greenhouse effect is produced by matter warmed by the higher frequencies of sunlight: the earth and the oceans.
3) Even if it did "disperse" light, it would have no effect on the process of greenhouse warming. The vast majority of our atmosphere is bounded by more atmosphere. Dispersing it does not make the energy disappear. Energy never disappears.
4) Heat capacity is the not the issue here. Global warming is taking place because water vapor, CO2 and the other greenhouse gases selectively absorb infrared light.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

" Is Water Redistribution To Control Climate Change A Viable Option ? "

* Alternatives To Idea Starvation From Dehydration *

Countless dramas are related through the news about wild fires , excessive heat and desertification .

Most of the chatter about controlling wildfires directs to negligence in controlling brush that is likely a significant annual expense .

Though optioning properties facing east so as to take advantage of back yard shade through late morning , recently on occasion my location has been compelled against the sun .

With attire to deflect ultra violet light , a wide brim hat , long sleeve shirt and sometimes glasses , a water hose spraying over my head in an inverted cone moistens my clothes , without drenching them , and cools my body enough to drive on more easily and comfortably for an additional while ( that is true whether the atmosphere is or is not humid ) .

Most having visited a hardware store are likely familiar with air blown over water is applied to cool work areas .

With no filtration required , would it be a reasonable address of concerns for climate change by redistributing water to irrigate and retain organic biomass , or to cool and retain water , in select locations , with an objective of improving climate control over environmental change ?

Increasing the moisture content in vast swaths of geography should likely avoid rapid or deep erosion .

Doing ANYTHING for "climate change" other than insisting China lower its CO2 output is insanity

 

[Crick]

" Choosing To Retain Biomass Or Allow Desertification "

* Clear Cut Brush To Control Forest Fires Or Moisten Soil In Tactical Locations *

One could have an irrigation system with a programmable timer , however it is far more expensive and less effective for need and want than spot watering .

You want to put the planet on a programmable timer? Can I suggest some reading material?

Science​

The Fundamentals​

• Climate Resources at the National Academies (Science, Engineering, Medicine) https://www.nationalacademies.org/topics/climate
• Encyclopedia of Earth: Climate Change The Climate Change Collection - The Encyclopedia of Earth
• "Evolving Assessments of Human and Natural Contributions to Climate Change," by Jane A. Leggett, Congressional Research Service, August 11, 2021 (R45086) https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45086/10
• Global Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
  Global Climate Change is a multimedia Web site featuring photographs, movies, animations, interactive graphics, and other presentations of NASA's research into climate change. Climate Change - NASA Science
• National Climate Assessment
  Assessments have been integral components of US Global Change Research Program since its inception. It has a legal mandate to conduct a National Climate Assessment (NCA) every four years. The Fifth National Climate Assessment was released in November 2023. https://www.globalchange.gov/what-we-do/assessment
• Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
  The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is the leading international body for the assessment of climate change. It was established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) to provide the world with a clear scientific view on the current state of knowledge in climate change and its potential environmental and socio-economic impacts. Most IPCC Reports published since 1997 are available online. Of special interest are the IPCC's Assessment Reports, which are published at regular intervals. The Sixth Assessment Report was completed in 2023. IPCC — Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change AND Sixth Assessment Report — IPCC
• Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years
  By the Committee on Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years, National Research Council, 2006. The book assesses scientific efforts to reconstruct surface temperature records and their implications for understanding global climate change. Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years | The National Academies Press
• United States Global Change Research Program
  The U.S. Global Change Research Program (USGCRP) coordinates and integrates Federal research on changes in the global environment and their implications for society. https://www.globalchange.gov/

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Preferences When Setting On Metal Versus Wooden Boxes "

* Absorption Spectrum And Transition In Forms Of Energy *

No, it is absolutely and demonstrably true.
This statement is nonsense for several reasons:

Some forms of energy pass directly through us and we do not absorb any of it .

* Water Invisibility To The Imagination *

1) Water vapor is transparent to visible light, the primary component of "sunlight". It does NOT "disperse" it.

Water vapor is convex and light energy will be refracted and dispersed .

* Higher Frequencies Blocked By Atmosphere *

2) There is very little infrared in the light from the sun. The infrared at the center of the greenhouse effect is produced by matter warmed by the higher frequencies of sunlight: the earth and the oceans.

* Ignoring Absorption Spectrum *

3) Even if it did "disperse" light, it would have no effect on the process of greenhouse warming. The vast majority of our atmosphere is bounded by more atmosphere. Dispersing it does not make the energy disappear. Energy never disappears.

Preventing heat energy from being absorbed by materials that have a great heat capacity for the energy is relevant .

* Hot Rocks Versus Organic Matter *

4) Heat capacity is the not the issue here. Global warming is taking place because water vapor, CO2 and the other greenhouse gases selectively absorb infrared light.

Carbon dioxide has a heat capacity - an ability to hold heat , just as methane has a heat capacity that is 75 times more than that of carbon dioxide - methane clathrate is methane in ice form trapped in polar glaciers , and certainly more carbon dioxide and methane in the atmosphere means more heat is retained .

When oxygen reaches approximately 20% of the atmosphere rapid oxidation occurs and carbon spontaneously burns .

Much heat is able to escape the atmosphere and one can consider the example of differences in temperature drop over night when without or with cloud cover .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Because Water Transport Does Not Include Significant Environmental Risk Or Absurd Costs "

* Plan Would Be For Targeted Spot Watering *

You want to put the planet on a programmable timer? Can I suggest some reading material?

The suggestion is to spot water in advance so as to retain and expand biomass rather than entreating and bemoaning forest fires and further desertification .

During a recent dry spell , home owners ignored front yard trees turning yellow , withering and dying rather than pulling out the hose and deep watering once a week for a month ; to some , it did not seem take much effort .

 

[task0778]

With no filtration required , would it be a reasonable address of concerns for climate change by redistributing water to irrigate and retain organic biomass , or to cool and retain water , in select locations , with an objective of improving climate control over environmental change ?

I suspect the cost of redistribution would be prohibitive and the impact on climate change wouldn't move the needle one little bit.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Chinese Smog Needs Rain Or Filtration "

* Uncertain Extent Of Implementation *

Doing ANYTHING for "climate change" other than insisting China lower its CO2 output is insanity

I believe the new goal is to recapture carbon dioxide rather than releasing it into the environment .

 

[Crick]

" Chinese Smog Needs Rain Or Filtration "

* Uncertain Extent Of Implementation *

I believe the new goal is to recapture carbon dioxide rather than releasing it into the environment .

The consistent goal has been to first reduce the rate at which we are releasing it to the environment and, eventually, to get its atmospheric levels back to pre-industrial values. Recapturing it is one of many ways to achieve those goals.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Spot Watering And Forestation Affects On Carbon Dioxide Recovery Rates "

* Deserted Bloom *

The consistent goal has been to first reduce the rate at which we are releasing it to the environment and, eventually, to get its atmospheric levels back to pre-industrial values. Recapturing it is one of many ways to achieve those goals.

The carbon dioxide cycle includes a recapture process through photosynthesis , while the proportion of terrestrial organic matter available to complete photosynthesis seems to be insufficient and further diminished by concrete jungle expansion and over population of hue mammon apes .

While ambient temperature under a forest canopy may be warm , it is far less than direct sunlight in a clearing and exceedingly less than direct sunlight while standing on hot rocks .

The nitrate levels of nevada deserts are exceptional for growing citrus .

 

[Woodznutz]

" Technical Quibbling "

* Conservation Laws Without Energy Shift Of Dispersion Or Reflection *

It would be true that conservation of energy is retained while the energy itself is shifted , such as radiant energy is dispersed by water , and sunlight is reflected back out of the atmosphere by clouds or dust such as from a volcano , or by confetti .

"Confetti" in various forms is a plausible technique. Bleached, biodegradable paper chaff is my favorite. Wood ash might work as well.

 

[Woodznutz]

All that interesting, but the only way to save the planet (if indeed it needs saving) is for the nature of man to change. However, that can only be done on a large scale by God. The bad news is that the nature of man is becoming more thoughtless, selfish, and destructive.

 

[Woodznutz]

It sounds overly ambitious to me

The western states need drinking water and water for agriculture

To me that suggests desalination plants

Much of what the west grows on irrigated land isn't necessary. Many farms there only exist because of cheap immigrant labor. Dinner salads were unknown before such farming came into being.

 

[Mac-7]

Much of what the west grows on irrigated land isn't necessary. Many farms there only exist because of cheap immigrant labor. Dinner salads were unknown before such farming came into being.

I dont think we should deplete the underground water table for agriculture

But we need more water in my opinion not less lettuce

 

[Woodznutz]

I dont think we should deplete the underground water table for agriculture

But we need more water in my opinion not less lettuce

Lettuce farms repel rainwater. Grasslands attract rainwater. We need more grasslands, which is great for raising grass fed beef.