Is Tom Brady the Greatest Ever?

[Alex.]

It was important enough to Brady for him to be involved with the deflation of balls, lie about it, destroy evidence and agree to accept a suspension. I am simply giving due deference to the man and his choices.

A QB is like a pitcher. He wants the ball to feel a certain way

Brady was not asked.......Do you want to be suspended four games or just play?

His only choice was take the suspension at the start of the season or appeal more and maybe get suspended at the end of the season

Brady and the Patriots took the silly suspension and laughed at the league as they won 17 games anyway

Nonsense, Brady had a legal right and made a conscious decision to disregard that path thereby accepting and agreeing to the punishment for his acts. He chose that, it was not forced on him.

Brady made the choice to lie, to cheat and to destroy evidence and he was suspended. Brady is not a victim but made these choices to gain a competitive advantage against the rules.

Brady is far from the greatest QB, he could not even cheat right. That is the most laughable aspect of his career.

Deflating a football slightly is a petty offense worthy of a $10,000 fine and warning not to do it again.
Any other team would have received a slap on the wrist

LOL Brady could have been a MAN, yes a MAN and owned up....it may have been forgotten. He was a spineless wuss who tried to smack down the tribunal which HE chose in the CBA and got his ass kicked.

He cheated, he lied, he destroyed evidence he got suspended. He lost.


Brady is not the greatest at all.

Brady took his petty suspension, then proceeded to kick the ass of the rest of the league and laugh at Goodell as he accepted his MVP

Brady cheated, lied, destroyed evidence and was suspended. What changed?

 

[Alex.]

At the end of the day...the Patriots and Tom Brady took Roger Goodell's suspension and shoved it right up the Commissioner's big fat ass!

Now Goodell can't show his face in the New England region without getting booed and Tom Brady is in the record books.

Put THAT in bold print!

Does not reverse the fact that Brady cheated, lied, destroyed evidence and was suspended.

 

[Alex.]

A QB is like a pitcher. He wants the ball to feel a certain way

Brady was not asked.......Do you want to be suspended four games or just play?

His only choice was take the suspension at the start of the season or appeal more and maybe get suspended at the end of the season

Brady and the Patriots took the silly suspension and laughed at the league as they won 17 games anyway

Nonsense, Brady had a legal right and made a conscious decision to disregard that path thereby accepting and agreeing to the punishment for his acts. He chose that, it was not forced on him.

Brady made the choice to lie, to cheat and to destroy evidence and he was suspended. Brady is not a victim but made these choices to gain a competitive advantage against the rules.

Brady is far from the greatest QB, he could not even cheat right. That is the most laughable aspect of his career.

Deflating a football slightly is a petty offense worthy of a $10,000 fine and warning not to do it again.
Any other team would have received a slap on the wrist

LOL Brady could have been a MAN, yes a MAN and owned up....it may have been forgotten. He was a spineless wuss who tried to smack down the tribunal which HE chose in the CBA and got his ass kicked.

He cheated, he lied, he destroyed evidence he got suspended. He lost.


Brady is not the greatest at all.

Owned up to what? Doing something that he didn't do? Tom Brady has maintained throughout this entire farce that he did nothing wrong. When the NFL tried to prove in a court of law that he did...they got taken to task by the presiding judge for presenting such a joke of a case!

You want an analogy for what just happened? It would be like a teacher accusing a student of cheating and suspending them without proving they cheated...but when the student returned to class...they got the highest grade in the class in the final! Gee, how WOULD that happen! How come Tom Brady supposedly only wins because he "cheats" yet in the second half of the Colt's game he was accused of cheating in...the Patriots looked unstoppable even though he was using balls that had been scrutinized by the officials? How did Tom Brady put on that fourth quarter display in the last Super Bowl? It was the greatest performance by a quarterback in the history of the Super Bowl...something that may never be done again...so was Brady cheating?

I think that the Patriots have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they do not need deflated footballs to win games, and that deflated footballs do not win football games, so the accusation of "cheating" is retarded.

ChrisL: "I think that the Patriots have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they do not need deflated footballs"

Butt Tom Brady was involved in just that and was suspended.

 

[Alex.]

Again attempting to deflate the issue, this thread is about Brady and whether he is the greatest.

I thought that was settled last Sunday

For those who wish to overlook the lying, cheating, destruction of evidence and suspension it may have been settled. For those who wish to preserve the integrity of the sport and respect those of the fan base who actually have a sense of morality and propriety and want to have a sense of sportsmanship and integrity in the NFL Brady bad acts will remain a sticking point in an ongoing discussion.

Why is it that you won't even discuss the cheating that other teams have done yet think Tom Brady has "destroyed" the game of football because the Commissioner of the NFL wanted to let the players know that he has the power to impose any punishment he sees fit regardless of proving guilt?

What Tom Brady did in that fourth quarter of this last Super Bowl illustrated once and for all that he doesn't need to "cheat" to do things that other quarterbacks simply can't do! It was a performance for the ages but you can't admit that...can you, Phallics!

Once again...name a team in the NFL that hasn't broken the rules! Terry Bradshaw admitted taking steroids. Peyton Manning was accused of using human growth hormone. Joe Montana's offensive linemen sprayed their uniforms with a slippery agent to make it hard to hold onto them...Jerry Rice used stickem on his gloves...and the 49'ers front office broke the rules for the salary cap! Should they all be excluded from the conversation about who are the elite quarterbacks as you've declared Tom Brady should be because he was accused of playing with balls that were slightly under inflated...something that was never proven by the NFL? Why do the Patriots lose a first round draft pick, a million dollars and the use of their star quarterback for a quarter of the season for doing things that other teams have done and were given a pass on? Because Roger Goodell says so?

The OP: Is Tom Brady the Greatest Ever?

The answer: based on all his acts, his records, his accomplishments, his rings, his years in NFL...............................and ...............his cheating, his lying, his destruction of evidence and his suspension.....


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo!

Gee, Phallics...now you've proven your point! Putting your claim in BOLD print? That's your proof?

Read the record which led to Brady getting suspended.

 

[Alex.]

It was important enough to Brady for him to be involved with the deflation of balls, lie about it, destroy evidence and agree to accept a suspension. I am simply giving due deference to the man and his choices.

A QB is like a pitcher. He wants the ball to feel a certain way

Brady was not asked.......Do you want to be suspended four games or just play?

His only choice was take the suspension at the start of the season or appeal more and maybe get suspended at the end of the season

Brady and the Patriots took the silly suspension and laughed at the league as they won 17 games anyway

Nonsense, Brady had a legal right and made a conscious decision to disregard that path thereby accepting and agreeing to the punishment for his acts. He chose that, it was not forced on him.

Brady made the choice to lie, to cheat and to destroy evidence and he was suspended. Brady is not a victim but made these choices to gain a competitive advantage against the rules.

Brady is far from the greatest QB, he could not even cheat right. That is the most laughable aspect of his career.

Deflating a football slightly is a petty offense worthy of a $10,000 fine and warning not to do it again.
Any other team would have received a slap on the wrist

LOL Brady could have been a MAN, yes a MAN and owned up....it may have been forgotten. He was a spineless wuss who tried to smack down the tribunal which HE chose in the CBA and got his ass kicked.

He cheated, he lied, he destroyed evidence he got suspended. He lost.


Brady is not the greatest at all.

Owned up to what? Doing something that he didn't do? Tom Brady has maintained throughout this entire farce that he did nothing wrong. When the NFL tried to prove in a court of law that he did...they got taken to task by the presiding judge for presenting such a joke of a case!

You want an analogy for what just happened? It would be like a teacher accusing a student of cheating and suspending them without proving they cheated...but when the student returned to class...they got the highest grade in the class in the final! Gee, how WOULD that happen! How come Tom Brady supposedly only wins because he "cheats" yet in the second half of the Colt's game he was accused of cheating in...the Patriots looked unstoppable even though he was using balls that had been scrutinized by the officials? How did Tom Brady put on that fourth quarter display in the last Super Bowl? It was the greatest performance by a quarterback in the history of the Super Bowl...something that may never be done again...so was Brady cheating?

The lower court was reversed and Brady chose not to fight a losing battle. Brady agreed to his suspension.

 

[Papageorgio]

Goodell road is littered with covering up CTE and the effects of concussions

Brady's ball had no impact on the game. Goodell is killing people

There is a lot worse issues than a pound of air. Battered wives and girlfriends and the lack of punishment, PED's. Then you have the
CTE issue, but let that go, we have a pound less of air in a football, but we are focusing on only one team, not any of the others.

Again attempting to deflate the issue, this thread is about Brady and whether he is the greatest.

I thought that was settled last Sunday

For those who wish to overlook the lying, cheating, destruction of evidence and suspension it may have been settled. For those who wish to preserve the integrity of the sport and respect those of the fan base who actually have a sense of morality and propriety and want to have a sense of sportsmanship and integrity in the NFL Brady bad acts will remain a sticking point in an ongoing discussion.

In a league corrupted by steroids and growth hormones......a silly under inflated is laughable

That is why the whole cheating issue is such a farce. If you hold, pass interference, roughing the passer, facemask, any of those are cheating. There are penalties for all the cheating. To claim you can't be considered great because you cheated, pretty much have to exclude every player.

 

[Alex.]

There is a lot worse issues than a pound of air. Battered wives and girlfriends and the lack of punishment, PED's. Then you have the
CTE issue, but let that go, we have a pound less of air in a football, but we are focusing on only one team, not any of the others.

Again attempting to deflate the issue, this thread is about Brady and whether he is the greatest.

I thought that was settled last Sunday

For those who wish to overlook the lying, cheating, destruction of evidence and suspension it may have been settled. For those who wish to preserve the integrity of the sport and respect those of the fan base who actually have a sense of morality and propriety and want to have a sense of sportsmanship and integrity in the NFL Brady bad acts will remain a sticking point in an ongoing discussion.

In a league corrupted by steroids and growth hormones......a silly under inflated is laughable

That is why the whole cheating issue is such a farce. If you hold, pass interference, roughing the passer, facemask, any of those are cheating. There are penalties for all the cheating. To claim you can't be considered great because you cheated, pretty much have to exclude every player.

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Brady lied, cheated, destroyed evidence and was suspended. Maybe is he was honest about it would not have gotten this far, maybe if he did not do it it would not have gotten this far. But he did and it is history...Brady's history..

 

[Papageorgio]

It was important enough to Brady for him to be involved with the deflation of balls, lie about it, destroy evidence and agree to accept a suspension. I am simply giving due deference to the man and his choices.

A QB is like a pitcher. He wants the ball to feel a certain way

Brady was not asked.......Do you want to be suspended four games or just play?

His only choice was take the suspension at the start of the season or appeal more and maybe get suspended at the end of the season

Brady and the Patriots took the silly suspension and laughed at the league as they won 17 games anyway

Nonsense, Brady had a legal right and made a conscious decision to disregard that path thereby accepting and agreeing to the punishment for his acts. He chose that, it was not forced on him.

Brady made the choice to lie, to cheat and to destroy evidence and he was suspended. Brady is not a victim but made these choices to gain a competitive advantage against the rules.

Brady is far from the greatest QB, he could not even cheat right. That is the most laughable aspect of his career.

Deflating a football slightly is a petty offense worthy of a $10,000 fine and warning not to do it again.
Any other team would have received a slap on the wrist

LOL Brady could have been a MAN, yes a MAN and owned up....it may have been forgotten. He was a spineless wuss who tried to smack down the tribunal which HE chose in the CBA and got his ass kicked.

He cheated, he lied, he destroyed evidence he got suspended. He lost.


Brady is not the greatest at all.

Brady took his petty suspension, then proceeded to kick the ass of the rest of the league and laugh at Goodell as he accepted his MVP

By suspending Brady, Goodell may have inadvertently handed the Super Bowl to the Patriots. The last couple years of his career, Manning ran out of energy. This just gave Brady four games to rest. He had a 15 season and not a 19 game season.

 

[Alex.]

A QB is like a pitcher. He wants the ball to feel a certain way

Brady was not asked.......Do you want to be suspended four games or just play?

His only choice was take the suspension at the start of the season or appeal more and maybe get suspended at the end of the season

Brady and the Patriots took the silly suspension and laughed at the league as they won 17 games anyway

Nonsense, Brady had a legal right and made a conscious decision to disregard that path thereby accepting and agreeing to the punishment for his acts. He chose that, it was not forced on him.

Brady made the choice to lie, to cheat and to destroy evidence and he was suspended. Brady is not a victim but made these choices to gain a competitive advantage against the rules.

Brady is far from the greatest QB, he could not even cheat right. That is the most laughable aspect of his career.

Deflating a football slightly is a petty offense worthy of a $10,000 fine and warning not to do it again.
Any other team would have received a slap on the wrist

LOL Brady could have been a MAN, yes a MAN and owned up....it may have been forgotten. He was a spineless wuss who tried to smack down the tribunal which HE chose in the CBA and got his ass kicked.

He cheated, he lied, he destroyed evidence he got suspended. He lost.


Brady is not the greatest at all.

Brady took his petty suspension, then proceeded to kick the ass of the rest of the league and laugh at Goodell as he accepted his MVP

By suspending Brady, Goodell may have inadvertently handed the Super Bowl to the Patriots. The last couple years of his career, Manning ran out of energy. This just gave Brady four games to rest.

Who cares.

It was the right decision for the right reasons as confirmed by the court.

 

[Oldstyle]

At the end of the day...the Patriots and Tom Brady took Roger Goodell's suspension and shoved it right up the Commissioner's big fat ass!

Now Goodell can't show his face in the New England region without getting booed and Tom Brady is in the record books.

Put THAT in bold print!

Does not reverse the fact that Brady cheated, lied, destroyed evidence and was suspended.

If that was a "fact", Phallics...then Brady wouldn't have won his case in lower court! The FACT is that court looked at the Wells Report and asked incredulously if that was all the NFL had for proof Brady had done something!

When the NFL took things to a higher court they didn't argue Brady's guilt...the ONLY legal issue that was decided in the higher court ruling was whether Roger Goodell had the power under the CBA to impose whatever punishment he saw fit regardless of proving guilt!

 

[sealybobo]

There is a lot worse issues than a pound of air. Battered wives and girlfriends and the lack of punishment, PED's. Then you have the
CTE issue, but let that go, we have a pound less of air in a football, but we are focusing on only one team, not any of the others.

Again attempting to deflate the issue, this thread is about Brady and whether he is the greatest.

I thought that was settled last Sunday

For those who wish to overlook the lying, cheating, destruction of evidence and suspension it may have been settled. For those who wish to preserve the integrity of the sport and respect those of the fan base who actually have a sense of morality and propriety and want to have a sense of sportsmanship and integrity in the NFL Brady bad acts will remain a sticking point in an ongoing discussion.

In a league corrupted by steroids and growth hormones......a silly under inflated is laughable

That is why the whole cheating issue is such a farce. If you hold, pass interference, roughing the passer, facemask, any of those are cheating. There are penalties for all the cheating. To claim you can't be considered great because you cheated, pretty much have to exclude every player.

What a stud Tom Brady is. How many more superbowls does he have in him?

That's why he's the greatest. He has 5 superbowls and he's working on a 6th. If I were Brady I would take the first 4 games off next year. Give his protege some reps and finish with a healthy Tom Brady. Would anyone bet against him? Besides Alex and he who shall not be named.

Tom Brady is the best because he gets it done

 

[Oldstyle]

You want to know why Roger Goodell was booed like he was at the Super Bowl? Because he DIDN'T prove Brady was guilty of anything...yet imposed the penalties he did on the Patriots and Tom Brady regardless!

It's why Goodell hasn't shown his face in New England in two years and probably won't for the rest of his life.

 

[Alex.]

At the end of the day...the Patriots and Tom Brady took Roger Goodell's suspension and shoved it right up the Commissioner's big fat ass!

Now Goodell can't show his face in the New England region without getting booed and Tom Brady is in the record books.

Put THAT in bold print!

Does not reverse the fact that Brady cheated, lied, destroyed evidence and was suspended.

If that was a "fact", Phallics...then Brady wouldn't have won his case in lower court! The FACT is that court looked at the Wells Report and asked incredulously if that was all the NFL had for proof Brady had done something!

When the NFL took things to a higher court they didn't argue Brady's guilt...the ONLY legal issue that was decided in the higher court ruling was whether Roger Goodell had the power under the CBA to impose whatever punishment he saw fit regardless of proving guilt!

OFS: "If that was a "fact", Phallics...then Brady wouldn't have won his case in lower court!"








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[Alex.]

Again attempting to deflate the issue, this thread is about Brady and whether he is the greatest.

I thought that was settled last Sunday

For those who wish to overlook the lying, cheating, destruction of evidence and suspension it may have been settled. For those who wish to preserve the integrity of the sport and respect those of the fan base who actually have a sense of morality and propriety and want to have a sense of sportsmanship and integrity in the NFL Brady bad acts will remain a sticking point in an ongoing discussion.

In a league corrupted by steroids and growth hormones......a silly under inflated is laughable

That is why the whole cheating issue is such a farce. If you hold, pass interference, roughing the passer, facemask, any of those are cheating. There are penalties for all the cheating. To claim you can't be considered great because you cheated, pretty much have to exclude every player.

What a stud Tom Brady is. How many more superbowls does he have in him?

That's why he's the greatest. He has 5 superbowls and he's working on a 6th. If I were Brady I would take the first 4 games off next year. Give his protege some reps and finish with a healthy Tom Brady. Would anyone bet against him? Besides Alex and he who shall not be named.

Tom Brady is the best because he gets it done

BooBoo: "Tom Brady is the best because he gets it done" by cheating, lying and destroying evidence.


FFFY...

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

TO BE THE MAN, YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE MAN!

WOOOOOOOOO!

 

[sealybobo]

You want to know why Roger Goodell was booed like he was at the Super Bowl? Because he DIDN'T prove Brady was guilty of anything...yet imposed the penalties he did on the Patriots and Tom Brady regardless!

It's why Goodell hasn't shown his face in New England in two years and probably won't for the rest of his life.

Well let's not forget the Patriots are cheaters and needed to be punished. I know it's a big business too but it's also a game and there has to be penalties when teams cheat.

And only a liar says the Patriots never cheated.

To me this doesn't deminishes how great Tom Brady is. It makes him and bellicheck seem super competitive and I respect that. You got caught then hired a bunch of slick lawyers. Lol. But so what? I wish the lions cheated.

 

[sealybobo]

I thought that was settled last Sunday

For those who wish to overlook the lying, cheating, destruction of evidence and suspension it may have been settled. For those who wish to preserve the integrity of the sport and respect those of the fan base who actually have a sense of morality and propriety and want to have a sense of sportsmanship and integrity in the NFL Brady bad acts will remain a sticking point in an ongoing discussion.

In a league corrupted by steroids and growth hormones......a silly under inflated is laughable

That is why the whole cheating issue is such a farce. If you hold, pass interference, roughing the passer, facemask, any of those are cheating. There are penalties for all the cheating. To claim you can't be considered great because you cheated, pretty much have to exclude every player.

What a stud Tom Brady is. How many more superbowls does he have in him?

That's why he's the greatest. He has 5 superbowls and he's working on a 6th. If I were Brady I would take the first 4 games off next year. Give his protege some reps and finish with a healthy Tom Brady. Would anyone bet against him? Besides Alex and he who shall not be named.

Tom Brady is the best because he gets it done

BooBoo: "Tom Brady is the best because he gets it done" by cheating, lying and destroying evidence.


FFFY...

I'd be more upset if they threw games..Cheating to win I respect as long as you don't get caught.

Pass interference and holding are great moves if the refs don't see it.

 

[Oldstyle]

You want to know why Roger Goodell was booed like he was at the Super Bowl? Because he DIDN'T prove Brady was guilty of anything...yet imposed the penalties he did on the Patriots and Tom Brady regardless!

It's why Goodell hasn't shown his face in New England in two years and probably won't for the rest of his life.

Well let's not forget the Patriots are cheaters and needed to be punished. I know it's a big business too but it's also a game and there has to be penalties when teams cheat.

And only a liar says the Patriots never cheated.

To me this doesn't deminishes how great Tom Brady is. It makes him and bellicheck seem super competitive and I respect that. You got caught then hired a bunch of slick lawyers. Lol. But so what? I wish the lions cheated.

With all due respect, Sealy...the NFL hired their "slick lawyers"...spent a whole lot of money on the Well's Report...and they got laughed out of court when they tried to prove Brady cheated!

The Lions have cheated. Every damn team in the NFL has! What infuriates Patriot fans is that we've become the poster boys for "cheating" getting fined millions and losing draft picks for doing the same thing that other teams have received much less punishment for. Deflategate was a joke. It always was. How did THAT cost the Patriots a million dollars, a first round draft pick and the loss of our star quarterback for a quarter of the season?

 

[Alex.]

You want to know why Roger Goodell was booed like he was at the Super Bowl? Because he DIDN'T prove Brady was guilty of anything...yet imposed the penalties he did on the Patriots and Tom Brady regardless!

It's why Goodell hasn't shown his face in New England in two years and probably won't for the rest of his life.

Well let's not forget the Patriots are cheaters and needed to be punished. I know it's a big business too but it's also a game and there has to be penalties when teams cheat.

And only a liar says the Patriots never cheated.

To me this doesn't deminishes how great Tom Brady is. It makes him and bellicheck seem super competitive and I respect that. You got caught then hired a bunch of slick lawyers. Lol. But so what? I wish the lions cheated.

With all due respect, Sealy...the NFL hired their "slick lawyers"...spent a whole lot of money on the Well's Report...and they got laughed out of court when they tried to prove Brady cheated!

The Lions have cheated. Every damn team in the NFL has! What infuriates Patriot fans is that we've become the poster boys for "cheating" getting fined millions and losing draft picks for doing the same thing that other teams have received much less punishment for. Deflategate was a joke. It always was. How did THAT cost the Patriots a million dollars, a first round draft pick and the loss of our star quarterback for a quarter of the season?

OFS: " the NFL hired their "slick lawyers"...spent a whole lot of money on the Well's Report...and they got laughed out of court when they tried to prove Brady cheated!"

Until they won the appeal

 

[sealybobo]

You want to know why Roger Goodell was booed like he was at the Super Bowl? Because he DIDN'T prove Brady was guilty of anything...yet imposed the penalties he did on the Patriots and Tom Brady regardless!

It's why Goodell hasn't shown his face in New England in two years and probably won't for the rest of his life.

Well let's not forget the Patriots are cheaters and needed to be punished. I know it's a big business too but it's also a game and there has to be penalties when teams cheat.

And only a liar says the Patriots never cheated.

To me this doesn't deminishes how great Tom Brady is. It makes him and bellicheck seem super competitive and I respect that. You got caught then hired a bunch of slick lawyers. Lol. But so what? I wish the lions cheated.

With all due respect, Sealy...the NFL hired their "slick lawyers"...spent a whole lot of money on the Well's Report...and they got laughed out of court when they tried to prove Brady cheated!

The Lions have cheated. Every damn team in the NFL has! What infuriates Patriot fans is that we've become the poster boys for "cheating" getting fined millions and losing draft picks for doing the same thing that other teams have received much less punishment for. Deflategate was a joke. It always was. How did THAT cost the Patriots a million dollars, a first round draft pick and the loss of our star quarterback for a quarter of the season?

And still they keep winning! That's why they/he is the greatest.

This is what they do to dynasties.

I wish I could be inside goodells head and get the truth. The inside scoop.

Anyways, mad respect. I think bama cheats too but they certainly do it better than all the other colleges who all cheat too probably.