Is this what a patriot looks like?

[marvin martian]

Those who have a vested professional interest in radicalizing and dividing us sure are winning right now.

Your enthusiastic support for them is definitely helping.

 

[DonGlock26]

Is this what a patriot looks like?​

Yes.

 

[DonGlock26]

This is what a Democrat looks like.

What's his screen name here?

 

[Missourian]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/02/us/matthew-alan-livelsberger-vegas-cybertruck-explosion/index.html

So, apparently Matthew Livelsberger was a super "patriot". Patriotic because he posted "patriotic" messages on Facebook, patriotic because he served in the special forces and patriotic because he loved Trump.

A patriot loves their country. Matthew Livelsberger put a bomb in his car and tried to kill people, but for some reason failed, but still injured seven people.

Luckily he was less of a "patriot" than Timothy McVeigh who killed 167 people in Oklahoma. A war veteran like Livelsberger, and thought patriotism would take place by trying to make a revolution.

Had McVeigh been alive today, he'd have been posting pro-Trump stuff all over Facebook too, why? Because he was a "super patriot" too.

I think if a guy with that kind of training really wanted to kill people, he would have.

Dude built a flash-bang out of over-the-counter fireworks and camp fuel.

This was a narcissists suicide plot.

And it succeeded.


Now everyone knows his name.

 

[Missourian]

What's his screen name here?

That weirdo?

Isn't blue symbolic of cold?

 

[ColonelAngus]

What's his screen name here?

Probably IMCURRIEDBRUTHA.

 

[marvin martian]

This is what a Democrat looks like.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Let's take the last, first. There is nothing wrong with the Electoral System. With a "direct democracy when electing a leader, you can end up with leaders like Kim Jung Un. His party convinced the people that they would have beef and rice twice a day and be protected in exchange for the Communist Party. Once in power, the party named its nation, "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea." That they convinced the naive people that it would be good for them and then brutalized them and murdering them for simply objecting to the government, shows that a direct democracy when electing a leader is a bad idea. By having an Electoral College, it gives smaller states and states with less population, an equal voice in choosing a president. Under a direct presidential election, only the largest cities would continually decide who is president and those tend to be under Democrat rule.
As for the 2nd Amendment and people claiming it protects things it doesn't. The 2nd Amendment is pretty straight forward. In summation of its brief paragraph, it allows the people, when faced with a threat to a "state's" freedoms, to bear (carry) arms (weapons) and form a well-regulated militia to fight for that state's freedoms and that freedom to bear arms, per the Amendment, CANNOT be infringed. To meet that challenge to keep a state free, the people must not be infringed on owning firearms to fight for their state. My personal opinion on that is that to fight a potential threat to a free state, the people should be allowed to own any small arms (rifles and pistols) that military personnel do.
Trump and the 14th Amendment??? What the hell does slavery have anything to do with anything in the 21st century.
As for supporting the Constitution in full, I am sure that plenty of patriots have some minor issues with some elements of the entire Constitution and its Amendments. But overall are in favor of it and its first ten Amendments which are our Bill of Rights. That said, any individual who must be sworn in and take an oath to support the Constitution, must be in total agreement with the entire Constitution and especially it's Bill of Rights, otherwise they should not hold the office.

Huh?

You're saying Germany or Denmark will end up with a dictator? But they haven't. They have a much more sensible electoral system where politicians have to listen to the voters, rather than manipulating them all the time.

How many politicians do you think support the entire Constitution? How many of them do you think even understand the entire Constitution? Trump certainly doesn't.

And we had a thread or three about how they want to stop US born kids to foreign parents getting US citizenship, claiming some bizarre word soup that it doesn't mean that....

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Huh?

You're saying Germany or Denmark will end up with a dictator? But they haven't. They have a much more sensible electoral system where politicians have to listen to the voters, rather than manipulating them all the time.

How many politicians do you think support the entire Constitution? How many of them do you think even understand the entire Constitution? Trump certainly doesn't.

And we had a thread or three about how they want to stop US born kids to foreign parents getting US citizenship, claiming some bizarre word soup that it doesn't mean that....

The Nazis won 43.9% of the vote and the "majority" in the Reichstag, giving Hitler leadership and of course dictatorship. Germany is currently "under" the European Union and while the Germans have elected Olaf Scholz as Chancellor, he answers to the European Union, who pull the strings and is the actual ruler of Europe. Poland, Hungary and Italy are complaining that the European Union is clearly becoming Marxist (Communist). Once that happens, you have a One-Party-Only government. In essence, a dictatorship.

 

[konradv]

Let's take the last, first. There is nothing wrong with the Electoral System. With a "direct democracy when electing a leader, you can end up with leaders like Kim Jung Un. His party convinced the people that they would have beef and rice twice a day and be protected in exchange for the Communist Party. Once in power, the party named its nation, "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea." That they convinced the naive people that it would be good for them and then brutalized them and murdering them for simply objecting to the government, shows that a direct democracy when electing a leader is a bad idea. By having an Electoral College, it gives smaller states and states with less population, an equal voice in choosing a president. Under a direct presidential election, only the largest cities would continually decide who is president and those tend to be under Democrat rule.
As for the 2nd Amendment and people claiming it protects things it doesn't. The 2nd Amendment is pretty straight forward. In summation of its brief paragraph, it allows the people, when faced with a threat to a "state's" freedoms, to bear (carry) arms (weapons) and form a well-regulated militia to fight for that state's freedoms and that freedom to bear arms, per the Amendment, CANNOT be infringed. To meet that challenge to keep a state free, the people must not be infringed on owning firearms to fight for their state. My personal opinion on that is that to fight a potential threat to a free state, the people should be allowed to own any small arms (rifles and pistols) that military personnel do.
Trump and the 14th Amendment??? What the hell does slavery have anything to do with anything in the 21st century.
As for supporting the Constitution in full, I am sure that plenty of patriots have some minor issues with some elements of the entire Constitution and its Amendments. But overall are in favor of it and its first ten Amendments which are our Bill of Rights. That said, any individual who must be sworn in and take an oath to support the Constitution, must be in total agreement with the entire Constitution and especially it's Bill of Rights, otherwise they should not hold the office.

The same thing can happen either way, if there’s nothing stopping an incoming regime from seeking revenge for supposed wrongs.

 

[JusticeHammer]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/02/us/matthew-alan-livelsberger-vegas-cybertruck-explosion/index.html

So, apparently Matthew Livelsberger was a super "patriot". Patriotic because he posted "patriotic" messages on Facebook, patriotic because he served in the special forces and patriotic because he loved Trump.

A patriot loves their country. Matthew Livelsberger put a bomb in his car and tried to kill people, but for some reason failed, but still injured seven people.

Luckily he was less of a "patriot" than Timothy McVeigh who killed 167 people in Oklahoma. A war veteran like Livelsberger, and thought patriotism would take place by trying to make a revolution.

Had McVeigh been alive today, he'd have been posting pro-Trump stuff all over Facebook too, why? Because he was a "super patriot" too.

He's a nutcase.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

The same thing can happen either way, if there’s nothing stopping an incoming regime from seeking revenge for supposed wrongs.

Like the Democrats going after Trump.

 

[konradv]

Like the Democrats going after Trump.

I said supposed wrongs. Trump was convicted by a jury of his peers. His crimes started long before he ran for president the first time. NY billionaires don’t get sued for shady business practices on a whim.

 

[Failzero]

I said supposed wrongs. Trump was convicted by a jury of his peers. His crimes started long before he ran for president the first time. NY billionaires don’t get sued for shady business practices on a whim.

Unless they are Trump

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Nazis won 43.9% of the vote and the "majority" in the Reichstag, giving Hitler leadership and of course dictatorship. Germany is currently "under" the European Union and while the Germans have elected Olaf Scholz as Chancellor, he answers to the European Union, who pull the strings and is the actual ruler of Europe. Poland, Hungary and Italy are complaining that the European Union is clearly becoming Marxist (Communist). Once that happens, you have a One-Party-Only government. In essence, a dictatorship.

Yes, and Germany under the Weimar Republic had a system of Proportional Representation that didn't have a cut off point for political parties.

Germany now has a 5% cut off point.

The difference is that there were 15 political parties in 1930, 0.41% of the vote got 3 seats, but 0.78% got zero seats.

In 1930 one party got 24% of the vote, the Nazis 18%, the Communists 13%, another 11% and it all led to a difficult coalition formation. Brüning had been a minority chancellor before the election and continued to rule after the election because no coalition could be formed.

Part of the problem was an economic crisis that was the worst the West has ever seen. The US didn't exactly do too well out of it either. But in Germany it was much more extreme. And the fact that you only needed 60,000 votes for a seat, made it diffiicult.

In modern Germany there's a 5% cut off. So in 1930, with the current electoral system, the results would have been five political parties.

The SPD would have had 32% of the seats, and the Nazis with 24%, the Communists with 17%, the center party with nearly 16% and DNVP with 9.5%.

That would have allowed the SPD to work with the center party and have 48% of the seats which would still have been a minority government, but far more stable than what existed.

In modern Germany their politics is sometimes stable, especially during Merkel's time in office, and sometimes a little less stable, like now, but it's still a far, far better system than the US system which is just a dog eat dog system and the rich running everything.

 

[konradv]

Unless they are Trump

Bullshit. He brought it all upon himself.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Is it not our govt that continues on with endless wars and funding wars in other countries and then we wonder why our military has ptsd? Shouldn't we question how vile, dishonest , corrupt our own govt is?

 

[Failzero]

Bullshit. He brought it all upon himself.

Like Hunter and William “ The Freezer “ Jefferson and the Hispanic US Senator from New Jersey ?

 

[whitehall]

Why argue about the definition of patriot on the political forum? OKC bomber McVeigh was awarded a Bronze Star in the Iraq conflict? Is there a point to be made?

 

[Failzero]

Why argue about the definition of patriot on the political forum? OKC bomber McVeigh was awarded a Bronze Star in the Iraq conflict? Is there a point to be made?

That even rabid Marxists and closet Satanists can be successful Marines ?