Zone1 Is This of God, or the Devil?

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What about the devil? If this is of "God", what is the devil? Connect the dots

Where do you get the idea that people between Adam and Noah didn't eat meat? There's plenty of evidence they did. Where is this coming from?
 
Anyone who thinks that it's fine to put pigs (who are smarter than dogs and said to be as smart as a 3 year old child) in a gas chamber, to die a terrifying, torturous, horrible death... is either evil or insane. Or both.

 
Since not everyone can see Facebook stuff....here's a similar recent Gary Yourofsky video, it's part of an interview with Gianna Simone.

I agree with him, what goes on in the animal industries is diabolical. And it's completely unnecessary.

 
Since not everyone can see Facebook stuff....here's a similar recent Gary Yourofsky video, it's part of an interview with Gianna Simone
When I post Facebook stuff I hope the short video will load, but usually it's just the link
 
try the true meaning for the sabbath, their creation of life and garden earth to be kept holy than the lies of the desert religions to gain a day off from work ... who have abused the environment since time in memorial.

printing the true 1st century events is the only way to reconcile humanity with the heavens above.

And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens ...

written by the crucifiers ...

Then they said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

the repudiation of moses a primary goal of the 1st century events ...
 
Lions and other carnivores and omnivores are really 'of the Devil' then I guess. After all, they don't kill their quarry quietly, no, they rip and tear it apart while it's still alive with their teeth and claws.
 
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Where do you get the idea that people between Adam and Noah didn't eat meat? There's plenty of evidence they did. Where is this coming from?

It is generally understood that flesh eating didn't officially start until AFTER the flood.

In the early days of this world, before the flood, the diet mankind was given is very clearly stated in Genesis 1:29. Pretty much the very first page of the Bible.

Then God said, “See, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is on the face of all the earth and every tree which has fruit yielding seed. It shall be food for you.”

That said... I do believe that illicit killing / eating flesh occurred before the flood. But based on the bible and extrabiblical texts, such as the Book of Enoch....it's clear to me that it was the Nephilim who were doing it...which means it has a demonic origin.

The Nephilim were extremely violent and had an insatiable appetite. So they ate whatever they could get their hands on, including animals. That's why the bible says the world was filled with violence at that time....and everything was corrupted, which is the reason for the flood. It was NOT God's idea. God's idea and intent for all creation is made clear in Genesis 1:29-30.

Again, I'm talking about what happened before the flood, since that is what you asked about.
 
Lions are of the Devil then I guess.

Nope. Carnivorous animals are a result of the fall... it's an aspect of the fallen world.

According to the bible, in the very beginning, ALL of creation were herbivorous. Read Genesis 1:29-30, specifically verse 30.
 
When I post Facebook stuff I hope the short video will load, but usually it's just the link

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omLions and other carnivores and omnivores are really 'of the Devil' then I guess. After all, they don't kill their quarry quietly, no, they rip and tear it apart while it's still alive with their teeth and claws.
You're not a lion. God forces you to choose

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It is generally understood that flesh eating didn't officially start until AFTER the flood.

In the early days of this world, before the flood, the diet mankind was given is very clearly stated in Genesis 1:29. Pretty much the very first page of the Bible.

Then God said, “See, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is on the face of all the earth and every tree which has fruit yielding seed. It shall be food for you.”

That said... I do believe that illicit killing / eating flesh occurred before the flood. But based on the bible and extrabiblical texts, such as the Book of Enoch....it's clear to me that it was the Nephilim who were doing it...which means it has a demonic origin.

The Nephilim were extremely violent and had an insatiable appetite. So they ate whatever they could get their hands on, including animals. That's why the bible says the world was filled with violence at that time....and everything was corrupted, which is the reason for the flood. It was NOT God's idea. God's idea and intent for all creation is made clear in Genesis 1:29-30.

Again, I'm talking about what happened before the flood, since that is what you asked about.
Genesis 4:4, "20 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock, and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel, and to his offering;"
I would say that to omit flesh of the animals as food because of one verse that just mentions plants and fruits is really silly. Yet, we know that Adam and Eve and all their children also had animal flocks and herds as well. What was the purpose of the animal flocks? Probably for many things such as food, clothes and who knows what.
 
Genesis 4:4, "20 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock, and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel, and to his offering;"
I would say that to omit flesh of the animals as food because of one verse that just mentions plants and fruits is really silly. Yet, we know that Adam and Eve and all their children also had animal flocks and herds as well. What was the purpose of the animal flocks? Probably for many things such as food, clothes and who knows what.

It's not just because of one verse. You have to understand the nature of God. God is love, mercy, kindness, peace, and LIFE, not death. God's true intent for all creation is made clear not only in Genesis 1:29-30, but also in the prophetic scriptures that speak about a restoration of the peaceful paradise that was HIS design and intent in the first place. Scriptures like Isaiah 11:6-9, and others. Not to mention the TONS of scriptures about mercy, which completely goes against needlessly killing innocent beings.

As for that particular passage you brought up, some of us have been through this before. A number of times. I'm going to copy / paste what I posted about this on another thread....

Nowhere in that passage does it mention killing or that Abel offered a dead lamb to God.

Using common sense, do you really think that a God of love and peace would be pleased by the "gift" of a dead animal?

Keep in mind, this was long before flesh eating was even supposedly permitted. So to infer that Abel presented a killed animal would suggest Abel did something contrary to what God instructed. Obviously God wouldn't be pleased by that.

When discussing that passage, first century Jewish historian Josephus wrote: “But Abel brought milk.” In the phrase ‘the firstborn of the fat of his flock’ the word translated "fat" in Hebrew is ֵcheleb, which is identical to the Hebrew word for "milk" ָ(chalab), but with different vowels. Since vowels were not added to the Hebrew alphabet until hundreds of years after Josephus, it is very likely that the original word describing Abel’s gift was milk rather than fat.

So if the original word was milk rather than fat, then the interpretation that it was a bloody dead lamb makes even less sense. What's more likely was that he presented a live firstborn lamb who was still nursing.
 
I choose omnivore.
You don't have omnivore teeth. And you definitely don't have carnivore teeth

The choice God gives you is the choice he gave Adam -- God's way or Satans
 
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You don't have omnivore teeth. And you definitely don't have carnivore teeth

The choice God gives you is the choice he gave Adam -- God's way or Satans
Humans certainly don't have herbivore teeth nor do they have the extra stomach of an herbivore. Humans have canine teeth so, apparently God must have intended humans to eat meat.
 
It is generally understood that flesh eating didn't officially start until AFTER the flood.

the truth would be the opposite were the flood to have accomplished its mission.

- and of course the desert religions occurring after the flood does provide evidence for its failure.
 
It's not just because of one verse. You have to understand the nature of God. God is love, mercy, kindness, peace, and LIFE, not death. God's true intent for all creation is made clear not only in Genesis 1:29-30, but also in the prophetic scriptures that speak about a restoration of the peaceful paradise that was HIS design and intent in the first place. Scriptures like Isaiah 11:6-9, and others. Not to mention the TONS of scriptures about mercy, which completely goes against needlessly killing innocent beings.

As for that particular passage you brought up, some of us have been through this before. A number of times. I'm going to copy / paste what I posted about this on another thread....

Nowhere in that passage does it mention killing or that Abel offered a dead lamb to God.

Using common sense, do you really think that a God of love and peace would be pleased by the "gift" of a dead animal?

Keep in mind, this was long before flesh eating was even supposedly permitted. So to infer that Abel presented a killed animal would suggest Abel did something contrary to what God instructed. Obviously God wouldn't be pleased by that.

When discussing that passage, first century Jewish historian Josephus wrote: “But Abel brought milk.” In the phrase ‘the firstborn of the fat of his flock’ the word translated "fat" in Hebrew is ֵcheleb, which is identical to the Hebrew word for "milk" ָ(chalab), but with different vowels. Since vowels were not added to the Hebrew alphabet until hundreds of years after Josephus, it is very likely that the original word describing Abel’s gift was milk rather than fat.

So if the original word was milk rather than fat, then the interpretation that it was a bloody dead lamb makes even less sense. What's more likely was that he presented a live firstborn lamb who was still nursing.
Blah, blah, blah mercy, kindness...blah, blah, blah. The people had flocks. Why. Please answer that??? Food! Now, I would agree that it should be eaten sparingly in times of famine and drought. But, please, animals are not humans and the idea that they are innocent beings isn't the same. That doesn't mean to mistreat them. Nothing changed after the flood. People still ate meat.

Next, your understanding of the sacrificial lamb is really lacking. The purpose of the sacrificial lamb is a similitude of the only begotten first born in the flesh, Jesus Christ. Yes, they killed the sacrifices. Good grief.
 
Blah, blah, blah mercy, kindness...blah, blah, blah. The people had flocks. Why. Please answer that??? Food! Now, I would agree that it should be eaten sparingly in times of famine and drought. But, please, animals are not humans and the idea that they are innocent beings isn't the same. That doesn't mean to mistreat them. Nothing changed after the flood. People still ate meat.

You're completely ignoring God's very clear statement in Genesis 1:29. In fact, you casually dismiss that as if God hadn't even said that...when it's on the very first page of the Bible! You're completely dismissing God's ideal and true intent for all creation, as if that isn't important. In fact, you even mock it, with your dismissive sarcastic "blah blah blah" comment. You do you, but I believe that mocking God's true intent and ultimate plan is sad... and deeply wrong.

As for why people had flocks....meat isn't the only reason to keep sheep. I don't think the Bible goes into detail or specifics on shepherding in the pre-flood days. But my guess would be it was likely for wool. You don't have to kill sheep to produce wool.

Also, I'm sure you will roll your eyes at this (which again is sad) but the original purpose of animals was for companionship. They weren't created to be menu items, or mere resources for us to selfishly exploit. The problem is, MOST people view this topic from their modern-day carnist lens. When you look at everything through that lens, it's understandable that you interpret it in the way you do.


Next, your understanding of the sacrificial lamb is really lacking. The purpose of the sacrificial lamb is a similitude of the only begotten first born in the flesh, Jesus Christ. Yes, they killed the sacrifices. Good grief.

Abel's gift was not a sacrifice. It was an offering! If you look at Genesis 4:4 in the original language, the word translated to 'offering' means just that - a gift or offering. There is another word entirely for sacrifice. So if it actually was a sacrifice, it stands to reason that the word specifically for sacrifice would have been used. Animal sacrifice wasn't even introduced in the bible until many centuries later.

Furthermore, as I have said many times on other threads, animal sacrifice was never God's idea in the first place!

It was a pagan practice that had already been taking place in other cultures, by the time the bible officially talks about it. Some say it originated in Egypt, but there is evidence it was also taking place in other ancient pagan cultures.

Also, I don't want to get too off topic here, but according to the book of Enoch, animal sacrifice has a demonic origin. Just like with flesh eating, it is written that it started with the Nephilim...Similar to so many other evils of this world that were taught to humanity by the fallen angels and the Nephilim.

There are PLENTY of scriptures - namely from the prophets - that clearly state that God never wanted or liked animal sacrifice in the first place. There are a couple different theories on why it was allowed, I've talked about this on other threads. So I don't think I want to go into that in detail yet again.

But getting back to Abel's offering....again, the word used is OFFERING, and no where in the text does it say he killed an animal and handed God a bloody corpse. :rolleyes: You also ignored what I wrote about Josephus' commentary on Abel's offering. Earlier on the thread you said "there's plenty of evidence" for meat eating before the flood. Since we already went over Abel's offering never mentioning killing or eating flesh, what else do you got to back up your claim?
 
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