Is this Class Warfare?

[NYcarbineer]

Now tell me, are they aiming at the poor here or are they applying the same standard to everyone?

Because if you are applying an equal standard across the board than no it's not class warfare.

If you are dividing people up into classes and attacking them then yes it is.

It's only the 'poor' here - using the term poor as a relative term. The net effect is a higher tax burden on the low end of the income scale in Wisconsin.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So the bottom 50% that don't pay income taxes should continue to get additional tax breaks and subsidizies? Is that right whiner?

This thread wasn't meant to be about the merits of taxing or not taxing different people of different means.

This was about the definition of class warfare by the people who are so enamored with using the phrase in their rhetoric.

 

[editec]

Class war?

As long as a society has people with very different circumstance(for whatever reason) and certainly this society has groups in wildly different circumstances, then social policies will effect those different groups differently.

That's just the way it is.

xThe most significant element that determines "CLASS" in this society, is based on individual and family wealth.


Protesting that ours is a "classless" society is just so much nonsense
Historically, 'class' based societies were those that one was born into a certain societal structure and one could not move from that class. .

Nonsense. You're confusing CLASS with CASTE, CG.


No society ever devised by man can exist without different classes of people.

Now how one determines what class one is in depends on the value system of your society.

Here in the USA, where there is no formal caste system, one's class is primarily based on one's net worth, one's family, one's education and one's job.

When we discuss how tax policies might effect people with very different incomes, we are discussing how those policies effect different CLASSES in terms of wealth.

 

[California Girl]

It's a weapon. And a despicable one.

Tell that to your friends on the right who scream class warfare at the mere thought of raising the top tax bracket up two or three tics.

I have done so. I am not interested in who is claiming 'class warfare', I disagree with it - we are not, nor have we ever been, nor should we ever be, a class based society. I just wish Americans were smart enough to not allow politicians to bullshit us. Any of them.

 

[California Girl]

Class war?

As long as a society has people with very different circumstance(for whatever reason) and certainly this society has groups in wildly different circumstances, then social policies will effect those different groups differently.

That's just the way it is.

xThe most significant element that determines "CLASS" in this society, is based on individual and family wealth.


Protesting that ours is a "classless" society is just so much nonsense
Historically, 'class' based societies were those that one was born into a certain societal structure and one could not move from that class. .

Nonsense. You're confusing CLASS with CASTE, CG.


No society ever devised by man can exist without different classes of people.

Now how one determines what class one is in depends on the value system of your society.

Here in the USA, where there is no formal caste system, one's class is primarily based on one's net worth, one's family, one's education and one's job.

When we discuss how tax policies might effect people with very different incomes, we are discussing how those policies effect different CLASSES in terms of wealth.

No, I'm not. You are falling for political spin. If that's how you choose to be, that's fine, but at least be honest about it. Admit it.... party over country.

 

[yidnar]

Is this Class Warfare?

There is no such thing as ‘class warfare’; it’s a contrivance of the right in an effort to justify their support of the wealthy in the context of conservative dogma: the fallacy that the wealthy are ‘job creators’ and are entitled to tax breaks and the like accordingly. Taking advantage of tax breaks to maximize profits, they create no jobs and only enrich shareholders.

you are correct what the left is doing is not class warfare but veiled warfare on whites in the upper income bracket !!

 

[idb]

Is this Class Warfare?

There is no such thing as ‘class warfare’; it’s a contrivance of the right in an effort to justify their support of the wealthy in the context of conservative dogma: the fallacy that the wealthy are ‘job creators’ and are entitled to tax breaks and the like accordingly. Taking advantage of tax breaks to maximize profits, they create no jobs and only enrich shareholders.

you are correct what the left is doing is not class warfare but veiled warfare on whites in the upper income bracket !!

Thank God that you're here to unveil it!!!

 

[yidnar]

There is no such thing as ‘class warfare’; it’s a contrivance of the right in an effort to justify their support of the wealthy in the context of conservative dogma: the fallacy that the wealthy are ‘job creators’ and are entitled to tax breaks and the like accordingly. Taking advantage of tax breaks to maximize profits, they create no jobs and only enrich shareholders.

you are correct what the left is doing is not class warfare but veiled warfare on whites in the upper income bracket !!

Thank God that you're here to unveil it!!!

I do my best to help !!

 

[editec]

Nonsense. You're confusing CLASS with CASTE, CG.


No society ever devised by man can exist without different classes of people.

Now how one determines what class one is in depends on the value system of your society.

Here in the USA, where there is no formal caste system, one's class is primarily based on one's net worth, one's family, one's education and one's job.

When we discuss how tax policies might effect people with very different incomes, we are discussing how those policies effect different CLASSES in terms of wealth.

No, I'm not.

Yes, you are. Denyin the obvious won't change the fact.

You are falling for political spin.

CG, no advanced society exists without different classes of people.

Your, I'm so ignorant that butter won't melt in my mouth denial routine won't change that obvious fact

 

[Ravi]

Raising the taxes on one select class? That's the definition, right? According to you 'class warfare' whiners...

Wis. budget panel cuts tax credit for poor

May 31, 2011

By TODD RICHMOND


Republicans on the Legislature's finance committee tucked a host of tax changes into the state budget Tuesday, reducing credits for the working poor and expanding tax breaks on business investments.

The committee adopted a massive motion covering a wide swath of tax revisions on a 12-4 party line vote. Chief among them was a provision cutting back on the earned income tax credit.

Wis. budget panel cuts tax credit for poor - BusinessWeek

If we are using the definition Republicans use, then yes, it is.

It's also extremely cruel to pass laws that increase taxes on the poorest families while not asking everyone else to make sacrifices. Especially as there are more and more people living in poverty.

 

[WillowTree]

Obamas bogus class warfare exposed - YouTube

I saw this last night. He is right on the mark...

 

[Unkotare]

Class war?

As long as a society has people with very different circumstance(for whatever reason) and certainly this society has groups in wildly different circumstances, then social policies will effect those different groups differently.

That's just the way it is.

The most significant element that determines "CLASS" in this society, is based on individual and family wealth.

Protesting that ours is a "classless" society is just so much nonsense.

Historically, 'class' based societies were those that one was born into a certain societal structure and one could not move from that class.

Since when has that been the case in America? Never. People have always had the ability to move up or down, depending on their own hard work. I am sick and tired of people bitching about 'class'. There is no ******* class based society in America.

It's a weapon. And a despicable one.

An excellent post.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Now tell me, are they aiming at the poor here or are they applying the same standard to everyone?

Because if you are applying an equal standard across the board than no it's not class warfare.

If you are dividing people up into classes and attacking them then yes it is.

Yeah....I guess the 1%ers/high-roller$ are more-deserving of a....

....telethon/fundrai$er....

....right?

How ARE those poor-people getting-by....what, with everyone picking-on-them?

*

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Is this Class Warfare?

There is no such thing as ‘class warfare’; it’s a contrivance of the right in an effort to justify their support of the wealthy in the context of conservative dogma: the fallacy that the wealthy are ‘job creators’ and are entitled to tax breaks and the like accordingly. Taking advantage of tax breaks to maximize profits, they create no jobs and only enrich shareholders.

.....Not to mention their "kidnapping" the term......

.....$mall-bu$ine$$men.

 

[AVG-JOE]

shades of Steve Forbes Joe.....

Izzat sumbitch copy-catting me AGAIN?!?

 

[flacaltenn]

NYCarb::

From your article you cited -- the facts suggest it's not the same class warfare..

Republican Gov. Scott Walker's executive budget calls for increasing the state credit for one-child families from 4 percent to 5 percent, but would cut the credit for two-child families from 14 percent to 8 percent and for families with three or more children from 43 percent to 40 percent.

Republicans who control the finance committee left the governor's increase for one-child families unchanged. They increased the two-child family credit from Walker's 8 percent to 11 percent, but went beyond the governor's cut to families with three or more children, decreasing their share to 39 percent.

Rep. Robin Vos, R-Rochester, the committee's co-chair, told reporters before the panel convened that Wisconsin's credits are among the most generous in the nation. According to state fiscal analysts, no other states offer a credit of more than 40 percent or offer more than one reimbursement percentage based on the number of children in a family.

See this is NOT a tax -- it's simple redistribution. By definition -- NONE of those families affected will ever PAY income tax. EITC is a BENEFIT.

So you have TAKING confused with GIVING.. Get it? TAKING is a punishment. GIVING is a reward. Cutting a reward does not equal increasing a TAKING...

Furthermore -- it leaves the CheeseHeads with a much more GENEROUS giving then they would get elsewhere -- but it does have that nasty eugenics component of encouraging SMALLER poor families.

Well that's the all-powerful compassion of the State for ya!

 

[AVG-JOE]

Is this Class Warfare?

Well.... it explains why congress is behaving like a bunch of first graders trying to survive a recess fraught with drama and lunch money issues.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Of course there’s noting wrong with corporations taking advantage of tax breaks to maximize profits and enrich shareholders, that’s the nature of the free market; but don’t try to sell tax cuts for the wealthy, corporations, et al, as some sort of scheme for job growth – because it’s not.

 

[Nic_Driver]

The patricians tried to beat down the plebeians in ancient Rome too, even trying to restrict the right of labor to go on strike. There is nothing new, just a renewed fight by the patricians.

The wealthy have been gutting the poor for centuries.

 

[flacaltenn]

The patricians tried to beat down the plebeians in ancient Rome too, even trying to restrict the right of labor to go on strike. There is nothing new, just a renewed fight by the patricians.

The wealthy have been gutting the poor for centuries.

What has Jay Leno or Venus Williams stolen from you lately??

Did you get raped by Steve Jobs this week?

The patricians didn't start this skirmish. Papa Bama needs money and he's pointing at 0.2% of the population to pay the bill..