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Honest question:

#1) Big Gov't: Democrats are all for it. Bigger the better. Welfare state. Republicans want small Gov't fewer regulations. Trust the market forces in terms of minimum wage, limit welfare, etc. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. They (I) believe there needs to be a safety net but a limited one. The more Gov't interference we have the worse the situation gets.

#2) Racism: Democrats now believe the country is systemically racist. They believe in teaching CRT in schools and the 1619 project. They want to treat PoC as 2nd class citizens via getting them jobs and college placement based on diversity vs. accomplishments. Treat PoC as too stupid to achieve success strictly based on merit. GOP believe everyone should be treated equally but they dismiss many a time the history of oppression and how many PoC have a tough time competing not because of skin color but because of education opportunities. Yes, PoC are equals but their starting line isn't always the same as those who are white and or Asian. Independents believe that the number of parents is a bigger indicator than skin color and that is what we need to concentrate on. A black child with two parents on average is more successful than a white child with one parent. Problem is 75% of black children only have one parent vs. 40% of white children. GOP and Independents for the most part agree that CRT is fine but should be taught as a college elective not to elementary or middle school kids as it causes more division not less. Independents see systemic racism as something that was in the past. Currently black people have the same legal rights as white people.

#3) Economy: Democrats want to go big or go home. Spend a ton and tax the rich. Even though the rich already pay like 80% of all the taxes. Republicans want to spend big but not on Green New Deal stuff and entitlements but the military. Neither is fiscally responsible. Independents would like some fiscal responsibility. Military spend is very important and we should be more environmentally friendly but a balanced budget is critical too and more and or higher taxes is not the answer because our Gov't doesn't understand how to spend efficiently.

#4) Foreign Policy: GOP and the Democrats seem to be all set with endless wars. That being said a military presence is needed overseas to make sure events like 9/11 do not happen again. Democrats believe American meddling caused 9/11 not the fact that Islamists are insane. So Democrats want out of the Middle East and to tell Israel to stand on its own. GOP wants to support Israel as it is a critical ally in the Middle East. The Afghanistan exist further divided the parties. Independents as I see it generally side with the GOP on foreign policy.

#5) Censorship: Democrats are the party of cancel culture. You offend them and they want you cancelled. Period. End of Story. There is no grace. There is no forgiveness. An email you sent 15 years ago will haunt you now even though you may have only been 15 when you sent it. GOP understands the slippery slope of this and generally is opposed to cancel culture unless in extreme circumstances. GOP believes that social media companies like FB, Twitter and YouTube lean way too far left. Independent as I see it generally side with the GOP on this. Overall all three distrust the media as illustrated by poor approval ratings (Only Congress has lower ones).

#6) LGTBQ: Democrats have embraced the community. They are 100% pro gay marriage, trans rights and will cancel you if you oppose it. Zero tolerance. GOP is highly religious and is on the opposite of this. They have become more tolerant to gay rights but many don't believe a religious baker has to bake a cake for example. Independents believe that gay rights are important but side with the GOP more frequently on trans rights when it comes to athletic competitions and locker rooms. They believe treating trans girls as biological girls in those instances is asking too much.

#7) Abortion: Democrats are pro choice up to month 39. GOP is pro life. Independents fall in the middle. Pro choice in the first trimester. Many like myself just shut their mouth because we are men. Tough situation. Independents tend to lean toward the Democratic Party position here.

#8) China/COVID: Democrats believe the virus came from a market and saying otherwise is racist. GOP believe it came from a lab and was covered up and anyone who doesn't see that as in putting two and two together is stupid. Independents seem to lean with the GOP on this one.

#9) Vaccines: Democrats believe if you don't get vaccinated you're a selfish person and should be shamed and cancelled. This is whether you had the virus already or not. GOP believe you should get the vaccine if you're at risk but it should be a personal choice. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#10) Masks: Democrats believe if you had COVID and are vaccinated you should still wear a mask because Dr. Fauci says so. GOP believe masks are superfluous. Independents seem to fall somewhere in the middle. Tough situation. Those with kids do believe kids wearing them all day is unfortunate and not necessary (Independents and GOP).

#11) Trump: Democrats see him as the Anti-Christ. GOP see him as Christ reborn. Independents like his fiscal policies for the most part as well as stance on immigration and military. Dislike his rhetoric and divisive nature.

#12) Jan 6th: Democrats see it as a full insurrection. GOP see it as a protest that got out of hand. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Post news that the FBI found that it was not coordinated and not one person has been charged with insurrection they lean more with the GOP.

#13) BLM Riots: Democrats see them as mostly peaceful protests and anger over police violence. GOP see the Democrats as hypocrites as BLM rioted all summer and looted and murdered but because Democrats rely on the black vote, GOP believes that Democrats shrugged at the riots. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#14) Immigration: Democrats are as close to open border support as I have seen. They say no but actions speak louder than words. GOP wants the border wall and all illegals deported. Independents want a strong border policy with some humanitarian traits. Illegals should be deported if dangerous but also given an opportunity to become legal.

#15) Healthcare: Democrats want UH or if not that expanded ACA. GOP seem to want to move to a more free market healthcare state. Independents are in the middle. You can have two of three: (i) Affordability (ii) Universality (iii) Quality. Democrats seem to want II and III. GOP wants I and III. Independents seem to want I and III as well.

#16) 2nd Amendment: Democrats want to demonize gun owners. GOP is the polar opposite. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Gun rights are important since the horse has left the barn but maybe stricter background checks and such are necessary.

#17) Min Wage: Democrats want it at $15/hr and maybe more. They use the term living wage frequently. GOP believes that will hinder many small businesses. Independents believe it should be by state. $15 carries a lot less value in NYC than Jackson Miss.

#18) Police: Democrats see them as racist and support defunding the police. GOP is all Blue Lives Matter. Police are critical in keeping our neighborhoods safe. Independents definitely side with the GOP here.


This is all I got. Feel free to add anything I may have missed and of course feel free to disagree. It doesn't seem like we all agree on much of anything these days.
 

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$1 Trillion Infrastructure Bill Has Majority Support From Voters Ahead of Thursday’s House Vote​

77% of Democrats, 52% of independents and 37% of Republicans back the package​


 

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At this time, no points of agreement. They are incompatible as a matter of course.

One party has morphed into near uselessness, the other into - technically - an alien invasion opposed to all things American.
 
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$1 Trillion Infrastructure Bill Has Majority Support From Voters Ahead of Thursday’s House Vote​

77% of Democrats, 52% of independents and 37% of Republicans back the package​


37% is majority via your math? oh
 

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Honest question:

#1) Big Gov't: Democrats are all for it. Bigger the better. Welfare state. Republicans want small Gov't fewer regulations. Trust the market forces in terms of minimum wage, limit welfare, etc. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. They (I) believe there needs to be a safety net but a limited one. The more Gov't interference we have the worse the situation gets.

#2) Racism: Democrats now believe the country is systemically racist. They believe in teaching CRT in schools and the 1619 project. They want to treat PoC as 2nd class citizens via getting them jobs and college placement based on diversity vs. accomplishments. Treat PoC as too stupid to achieve success strictly based on merit. GOP believe everyone should be treated equally but they dismiss many a time the history of oppression and how many PoC have a tough time competing not because of skin color but because of education opportunities. Yes, PoC are equals but their starting line isn't always the same as those who are white and or Asian. Independents believe that the number of parents is a bigger indicator than skin color and that is what we need to concentrate on. A black child with two parents on average is more successful than a white child with one parent. Problem is 75% of black children only have one parent vs. 40% of white children. GOP and Independents for the most part agree that CRT is fine but should be taught as a college elective not to elementary or middle school kids as it causes more division not less. Independents see systemic racism as something that was in the past. Currently black people have the same legal rights as white people.

#3) Economy: Democrats want to go big or go home. Spend a ton and tax the rich. Even though the rich already pay like 80% of all the taxes. Republicans want to spend big but not on Green New Deal stuff and entitlements but the military. Neither is fiscally responsible. Independents would like some fiscal responsibility. Military spend is very important and we should be more environmentally friendly but a balanced budget is critical too and more and or higher taxes is not the answer because our Gov't doesn't understand how to spend efficiently.

#4) Foreign Policy: GOP and the Democrats seem to be all set with endless wars. That being said a military presence is needed overseas to make sure events like 9/11 do not happen again. Democrats believe American meddling caused 9/11 not the fact that Islamists are insane. So Democrats want out of the Middle East and to tell Israel to stand on its own. GOP wants to support Israel as it is a critical ally in the Middle East. The Afghanistan exist further divided the parties. Independents as I see it generally side with the GOP on foreign policy.

#5) Censorship: Democrats are the party of cancel culture. You offend them and they want you cancelled. Period. End of Story. There is no grace. There is no forgiveness. An email you sent 15 years ago will haunt you now even though you may have only been 15 when you sent it. GOP understands the slippery slope of this and generally is opposed to cancel culture unless in extreme circumstances. GOP believes that social media companies like FB, Twitter and YouTube lean way too far left. Independent as I see it generally side with the GOP on this. Overall all three distrust the media as illustrated by poor approval ratings (Only Congress has lower ones).

#6) LGTBQ: Democrats have embraced the community. They are 100% pro gay marriage, trans rights and will cancel you if you oppose it. Zero tolerance. GOP is highly religious and is on the opposite of this. They have become more tolerant to gay rights but many don't believe a religious baker has to bake a cake for example. Independents believe that gay rights are important but side with the GOP more frequently on trans rights when it comes to athletic competitions and locker rooms. They believe treating trans girls as biological girls in those instances is asking too much.

#7) Abortion: Democrats are pro choice up to month 39. GOP is pro life. Independents fall in the middle. Pro choice in the first trimester. Many like myself just shut their mouth because we are men. Tough situation. Independents tend to lean toward the Democratic Party position here.

#8) China/COVID: Democrats believe the virus came from a market and saying otherwise is racist. GOP believe it came from a lab and was covered up and anyone who doesn't see that as in putting two and two together is stupid. Independents seem to lean with the GOP on this one.

#9) Vaccines: Democrats believe if you don't get vaccinated you're a selfish person and should be shamed and cancelled. This is whether you had the virus already or not. GOP believe you should get the vaccine if you're at risk but it should be a personal choice. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#10) Masks: Democrats believe if you had COVID and are vaccinated you should still wear a mask because Dr. Fauci says so. GOP believe masks are superfluous. Independents seem to fall somewhere in the middle. Tough situation. Those with kids do believe kids wearing them all day is unfortunate and not necessary (Independents and GOP).

#11) Trump: Democrats see him as the Anti-Christ. GOP see him as Christ reborn. Independents like his fiscal policies for the most part as well as stance on immigration and military. Dislike his rhetoric and divisive nature.

#12) Jan 6th: Democrats see it as a full insurrection. GOP see it as a protest that got out of hand. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Post news that the FBI found that it was not coordinated and not one person has been charged with insurrection they lean more with the GOP.

#13) BLM Riots: Democrats see them as mostly peaceful protests and anger over police violence. GOP see the Democrats as hypocrites as BLM rioted all summer and looted and murdered but because Democrats rely on the black vote, GOP believes that Democrats shrugged at the riots. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#14) Immigration: Democrats are as close to open border support as I have seen. They say no but actions speak louder than words. GOP wants the border wall and all illegals deported. Independents want a strong border policy with some humanitarian traits. Illegals should be deported if dangerous but also given an opportunity to become legal.

#15) Healthcare: Democrats want UH or if not that expanded ACA. GOP seem to want to move to a more free market healthcare state. Independents are in the middle. You can have two of three: (i) Affordability (ii) Universality (iii) Quality. Democrats seem to want II and III. GOP wants I and III. Independents seem to want I and III as well.

#16) 2nd Amendment: Democrats want to demonize gun owners. GOP is the polar opposite. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Gun rights are important since the horse has left the barn but maybe stricter background checks and such are necessary.

#17) Min Wage: Democrats want it at $15/hr and maybe more. They use the term living wage frequently. GOP believes that will hinder many small businesses. Independents believe it should be by state. $15 carries a lot less value in NYC than Jackson Miss.

#18) Police: Democrats see them as racist and support defunding the police. GOP is all Blue Lives Matter. Police are critical in keeping our neighborhoods safe. Independents definitely side with the GOP here.


This is all I got. Feel free to add anything I may have missed and of course feel free to disagree. It doesn't seem like we all agree on much of anything these days.
What matters is what the two parties can agree on

1. Endless uncontrolled spending

2. Borders without walls.

3. Orange man bad.
 

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Honest question:

#1) Big Gov't: Democrats are all for it. Bigger the better. Welfare state. Republicans want small Gov't fewer regulations. Trust the market forces in terms of minimum wage, limit welfare, etc. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. They (I) believe there needs to be a safety net but a limited one. The more Gov't interference we have the worse the situation gets.

#2) Racism: Democrats now believe the country is systemically racist. They believe in teaching CRT in schools and the 1619 project. They want to treat PoC as 2nd class citizens via getting them jobs and college placement based on diversity vs. accomplishments. Treat PoC as too stupid to achieve success strictly based on merit. GOP believe everyone should be treated equally but they dismiss many a time the history of oppression and how many PoC have a tough time competing not because of skin color but because of education opportunities. Yes, PoC are equals but their starting line isn't always the same as those who are white and or Asian. Independents believe that the number of parents is a bigger indicator than skin color and that is what we need to concentrate on. A black child with two parents on average is more successful than a white child with one parent. Problem is 75% of black children only have one parent vs. 40% of white children. GOP and Independents for the most part agree that CRT is fine but should be taught as a college elective not to elementary or middle school kids as it causes more division not less. Independents see systemic racism as something that was in the past. Currently black people have the same legal rights as white people.

#3) Economy: Democrats want to go big or go home. Spend a ton and tax the rich. Even though the rich already pay like 80% of all the taxes. Republicans want to spend big but not on Green New Deal stuff and entitlements but the military. Neither is fiscally responsible. Independents would like some fiscal responsibility. Military spend is very important and we should be more environmentally friendly but a balanced budget is critical too and more and or higher taxes is not the answer because our Gov't doesn't understand how to spend efficiently.

#4) Foreign Policy: GOP and the Democrats seem to be all set with endless wars. That being said a military presence is needed overseas to make sure events like 9/11 do not happen again. Democrats believe American meddling caused 9/11 not the fact that Islamists are insane. So Democrats want out of the Middle East and to tell Israel to stand on its own. GOP wants to support Israel as it is a critical ally in the Middle East. The Afghanistan exist further divided the parties. Independents as I see it generally side with the GOP on foreign policy.

#5) Censorship: Democrats are the party of cancel culture. You offend them and they want you cancelled. Period. End of Story. There is no grace. There is no forgiveness. An email you sent 15 years ago will haunt you now even though you may have only been 15 when you sent it. GOP understands the slippery slope of this and generally is opposed to cancel culture unless in extreme circumstances. GOP believes that social media companies like FB, Twitter and YouTube lean way too far left. Independent as I see it generally side with the GOP on this. Overall all three distrust the media as illustrated by poor approval ratings (Only Congress has lower ones).

#6) LGTBQ: Democrats have embraced the community. They are 100% pro gay marriage, trans rights and will cancel you if you oppose it. Zero tolerance. GOP is highly religious and is on the opposite of this. They have become more tolerant to gay rights but many don't believe a religious baker has to bake a cake for example. Independents believe that gay rights are important but side with the GOP more frequently on trans rights when it comes to athletic competitions and locker rooms. They believe treating trans girls as biological girls in those instances is asking too much.

#7) Abortion: Democrats are pro choice up to month 39. GOP is pro life. Independents fall in the middle. Pro choice in the first trimester. Many like myself just shut their mouth because we are men. Tough situation. Independents tend to lean toward the Democratic Party position here.

#8) China/COVID: Democrats believe the virus came from a market and saying otherwise is racist. GOP believe it came from a lab and was covered up and anyone who doesn't see that as in putting two and two together is stupid. Independents seem to lean with the GOP on this one.

#9) Vaccines: Democrats believe if you don't get vaccinated you're a selfish person and should be shamed and cancelled. This is whether you had the virus already or not. GOP believe you should get the vaccine if you're at risk but it should be a personal choice. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#10) Masks: Democrats believe if you had COVID and are vaccinated you should still wear a mask because Dr. Fauci says so. GOP believe masks are superfluous. Independents seem to fall somewhere in the middle. Tough situation. Those with kids do believe kids wearing them all day is unfortunate and not necessary (Independents and GOP).

#11) Trump: Democrats see him as the Anti-Christ. GOP see him as Christ reborn. Independents like his fiscal policies for the most part as well as stance on immigration and military. Dislike his rhetoric and divisive nature.

#12) Jan 6th: Democrats see it as a full insurrection. GOP see it as a protest that got out of hand. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Post news that the FBI found that it was not coordinated and not one person has been charged with insurrection they lean more with the GOP.

#13) BLM Riots: Democrats see them as mostly peaceful protests and anger over police violence. GOP see the Democrats as hypocrites as BLM rioted all summer and looted and murdered but because Democrats rely on the black vote, GOP believes that Democrats shrugged at the riots. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#14) Immigration: Democrats are as close to open border support as I have seen. They say no but actions speak louder than words. GOP wants the border wall and all illegals deported. Independents want a strong border policy with some humanitarian traits. Illegals should be deported if dangerous but also given an opportunity to become legal.

#15) Healthcare: Democrats want UH or if not that expanded ACA. GOP seem to want to move to a more free market healthcare state. Independents are in the middle. You can have two of three: (i) Affordability (ii) Universality (iii) Quality. Democrats seem to want II and III. GOP wants I and III. Independents seem to want I and III as well.

#16) 2nd Amendment: Democrats want to demonize gun owners. GOP is the polar opposite. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Gun rights are important since the horse has left the barn but maybe stricter background checks and such are necessary.

#17) Min Wage: Democrats want it at $15/hr and maybe more. They use the term living wage frequently. GOP believes that will hinder many small businesses. Independents believe it should be by state. $15 carries a lot less value in NYC than Jackson Miss.

#18) Police: Democrats see them as racist and support defunding the police. GOP is all Blue Lives Matter. Police are critical in keeping our neighborhoods safe. Independents definitely side with the GOP here.


This is all I got. Feel free to add anything I may have missed and of course feel free to disagree. It doesn't seem like we all agree on much of anything these days.
Honest answers:
1. Agreed. Except Republicans like spending too much too. Both are fiscally irresponsible.

2. The democrats may not actually believe that the country is racist, but playing the race card and promising free stuff is all they have to keep minorities on their urban plantations, since they don't actually know how to run the country without major economic disasters.

3. You listed the problems correctly, the optimization requires advanced technical ability, there is no simple answer, IMHO we need a president Elon Musk and his band of brainiacs to chart the path forward. Alternately, another "Grace Commission" to make recommendations how to streamline the Federal government would also be worthwhile.

4. The ME is a mess and always was, best we stand clear. Extreme vetting seems to be working.

5. Agreed that the hi-tech oligarchs need to be reigned in. Repealing section-230 is a good start, let the courts manage the oligarchs.

6. I liked "don't ask, don't tell" and there is no "protected class" bullshit and special treatment. I oppose joining the military just to have your plumbing changed.

7. Abortion is a matter better left alone. Don't give the democrats another issue to sway women voters.

8. Fauci paid the Wuhan Lab (run by a Chinese general) to develop more deadly bat viruses, aka "gain-of-function research" (actually germ warfare). Fauci killed over 700,000 Americans.

9. The vaccines are available, if you choose not to get vaccinated its a risk you accept.

10. Masks are an added safety measure, my wife is an RN and says they do reduce infections.

11. Trump is a brash micro-manager who does not understand politics, or he would NOT have behaved to badly during the 1st debate. My wife saw him as a bully and said she can't vote for him. Trump never learned that every vote matters, even if the MSM uses fake news and bias against him. Trump could have been re-elected if he was more presidential.

12. There were 1,000,000 people at the Trump rally, and about 400 criminals who rioted. The J6 Trump rally was a bad idea that cost Trump any chance for the nomination in 2024, he is "damaged goods".

13. The BLM riots were because too many bad cops got caught on video doing stupid shit. The dems had an excuse to riot and took it, hoping to make Trump look bad. They only made BLM and antifa look bad.

14. Trump had the border solved, apply and wait in Mexico, no one sneaks in illegally.

15. Healthcare is working, you can buy your own plan or the ACA option. We don't want single-payer, or Medicare for all, that just means no timely healthcare.

16. The 2nd Amendment is clear. Cities have strict gun control now, how is it working? Criminals don't follow laws, duh, so laws aren't the problem. "Stop & Frisk" worked, but now they are racist, duh.

17. Minimum wages that are too high just means fewer jobs. Maybe "heads of households" need a higher wage, but not high school kids.

18. The police issue will be decisive in 2022 and 2024. No one wants to defund the police but the leftists.
 

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Honest answers:
1. Agreed. Except Republicans like spending too much too. Both are fiscally irresponsible.

2. The democrats may not actually believe that the country is racist, but playing the race card and promising free stuff is all they have to keep minorities on their urban plantations, since they don't actually know how to run the country without major economic disasters.

3. You listed the problems correctly, the optimization requires advanced technical ability, there is no simple answer, IMHO we need a president Elon Musk and his band of brainiacs to chart the path forward. Alternately, another "Grace Commission" to make recommendations how to streamline the Federal government would also be worthwhile.

4. The ME is a mess and always was, best we stand clear. Extreme vetting seems to be working.

5. Agreed that the hi-tech oligarchs need to be reigned in. Repealing section-230 is a good start, let the courts manage the oligarchs.

6. I liked "don't ask, don't tell" and there is no "protected class" bullshit and special treatment. I oppose joining the military just to have your plumbing changed.

7. Abortion is a matter better left alone. Don't give the democrats another issue to sway women voters.

8. Fauci paid the Wuhan Lab (run by a Chinese general) to develop more deadly bat viruses, aka "gain-of-function research" (actually germ warfare). Fauci killed over 700,000 Americans.

9. The vaccines are available, if you choose not to get vaccinated its a risk you accept.

10. Masks are an added safety measure, my wife is an RN and says they do reduce infections.

11. Trump is a brash micro-manager who does not understand politics, or he would NOT have behaved to badly during the 1st debate. My wife saw him as a bully and said she can't vote for him. Trump never learned that every vote matters, even if the MSM uses fake news and bias against him. Trump could have been re-elected if he was more presidential.

12. There were 1,000,000 people at the Trump rally, and about 400 criminals who rioted. The J6 Trump rally was a bad idea that cost Trump any chance for the nomination in 2024, he is "damaged goods".

13. The BLM riots were because too many bad cops got caught on video doing stupid shit. The dems had an excuse to riot and took it, hoping to make Trump look bad. They only made BLM and antifa look bad.

14. Trump had the border solved, apply and wait in Mexico, no one sneaks in illegally.

15. Healthcare is working, you can buy your own plan or the ACA option. We don't want single-payer, or Medicare for all, that just means no timely healthcare.

16. The 2nd Amendment is clear. Cities have strict gun control now, how is it working? Criminals don't follow laws, duh, so laws aren't the problem. "Stop & Frisk" worked, but now they are racist, duh.

17. Minimum wages that are too high just means fewer jobs. Maybe "heads of households" need a higher wage, but not high school kids.

18. The police issue will be decisive in 2022 and 2024. No one wants to defund the police but the leftists.
Elon Musk is South African, not eligible for President.
 

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Honest question:

#1) Big Gov't: Democrats are all for it. Bigger the better. Welfare state. Republicans want small Gov't fewer regulations. Trust the market forces in terms of minimum wage, limit welfare, etc. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. They (I) believe there needs to be a safety net but a limited one. The more Gov't interference we have the worse the situation gets.

#2) Racism: Democrats now believe the country is systemically racist. They believe in teaching CRT in schools and the 1619 project. They want to treat PoC as 2nd class citizens via getting them jobs and college placement based on diversity vs. accomplishments. Treat PoC as too stupid to achieve success strictly based on merit. GOP believe everyone should be treated equally but they dismiss many a time the history of oppression and how many PoC have a tough time competing not because of skin color but because of education opportunities. Yes, PoC are equals but their starting line isn't always the same as those who are white and or Asian. Independents believe that the number of parents is a bigger indicator than skin color and that is what we need to concentrate on. A black child with two parents on average is more successful than a white child with one parent. Problem is 75% of black children only have one parent vs. 40% of white children. GOP and Independents for the most part agree that CRT is fine but should be taught as a college elective not to elementary or middle school kids as it causes more division not less. Independents see systemic racism as something that was in the past. Currently black people have the same legal rights as white people.

#3) Economy: Democrats want to go big or go home. Spend a ton and tax the rich. Even though the rich already pay like 80% of all the taxes. Republicans want to spend big but not on Green New Deal stuff and entitlements but the military. Neither is fiscally responsible. Independents would like some fiscal responsibility. Military spend is very important and we should be more environmentally friendly but a balanced budget is critical too and more and or higher taxes is not the answer because our Gov't doesn't understand how to spend efficiently.

#4) Foreign Policy: GOP and the Democrats seem to be all set with endless wars. That being said a military presence is needed overseas to make sure events like 9/11 do not happen again. Democrats believe American meddling caused 9/11 not the fact that Islamists are insane. So Democrats want out of the Middle East and to tell Israel to stand on its own. GOP wants to support Israel as it is a critical ally in the Middle East. The Afghanistan exist further divided the parties. Independents as I see it generally side with the GOP on foreign policy.

#5) Censorship: Democrats are the party of cancel culture. You offend them and they want you cancelled. Period. End of Story. There is no grace. There is no forgiveness. An email you sent 15 years ago will haunt you now even though you may have only been 15 when you sent it. GOP understands the slippery slope of this and generally is opposed to cancel culture unless in extreme circumstances. GOP believes that social media companies like FB, Twitter and YouTube lean way too far left. Independent as I see it generally side with the GOP on this. Overall all three distrust the media as illustrated by poor approval ratings (Only Congress has lower ones).

#6) LGTBQ: Democrats have embraced the community. They are 100% pro gay marriage, trans rights and will cancel you if you oppose it. Zero tolerance. GOP is highly religious and is on the opposite of this. They have become more tolerant to gay rights but many don't believe a religious baker has to bake a cake for example. Independents believe that gay rights are important but side with the GOP more frequently on trans rights when it comes to athletic competitions and locker rooms. They believe treating trans girls as biological girls in those instances is asking too much.

#7) Abortion: Democrats are pro choice up to month 39. GOP is pro life. Independents fall in the middle. Pro choice in the first trimester. Many like myself just shut their mouth because we are men. Tough situation. Independents tend to lean toward the Democratic Party position here.

#8) China/COVID: Democrats believe the virus came from a market and saying otherwise is racist. GOP believe it came from a lab and was covered up and anyone who doesn't see that as in putting two and two together is stupid. Independents seem to lean with the GOP on this one.

#9) Vaccines: Democrats believe if you don't get vaccinated you're a selfish person and should be shamed and cancelled. This is whether you had the virus already or not. GOP believe you should get the vaccine if you're at risk but it should be a personal choice. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#10) Masks: Democrats believe if you had COVID and are vaccinated you should still wear a mask because Dr. Fauci says so. GOP believe masks are superfluous. Independents seem to fall somewhere in the middle. Tough situation. Those with kids do believe kids wearing them all day is unfortunate and not necessary (Independents and GOP).

#11) Trump: Democrats see him as the Anti-Christ. GOP see him as Christ reborn. Independents like his fiscal policies for the most part as well as stance on immigration and military. Dislike his rhetoric and divisive nature.

#12) Jan 6th: Democrats see it as a full insurrection. GOP see it as a protest that got out of hand. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Post news that the FBI found that it was not coordinated and not one person has been charged with insurrection they lean more with the GOP.

#13) BLM Riots: Democrats see them as mostly peaceful protests and anger over police violence. GOP see the Democrats as hypocrites as BLM rioted all summer and looted and murdered but because Democrats rely on the black vote, GOP believes that Democrats shrugged at the riots. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#14) Immigration: Democrats are as close to open border support as I have seen. They say no but actions speak louder than words. GOP wants the border wall and all illegals deported. Independents want a strong border policy with some humanitarian traits. Illegals should be deported if dangerous but also given an opportunity to become legal.

#15) Healthcare: Democrats want UH or if not that expanded ACA. GOP seem to want to move to a more free market healthcare state. Independents are in the middle. You can have two of three: (i) Affordability (ii) Universality (iii) Quality. Democrats seem to want II and III. GOP wants I and III. Independents seem to want I and III as well.

#16) 2nd Amendment: Democrats want to demonize gun owners. GOP is the polar opposite. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Gun rights are important since the horse has left the barn but maybe stricter background checks and such are necessary.

#17) Min Wage: Democrats want it at $15/hr and maybe more. They use the term living wage frequently. GOP believes that will hinder many small businesses. Independents believe it should be by state. $15 carries a lot less value in NYC than Jackson Miss.

#18) Police: Democrats see them as racist and support defunding the police. GOP is all Blue Lives Matter. Police are critical in keeping our neighborhoods safe. Independents definitely side with the GOP here.


This is all I got. Feel free to add anything I may have missed and of course feel free to disagree. It doesn't seem like we all agree on much of anything these days.
They all agree that the other is evil
 
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Honest answers:
1. Agreed. Except Republicans like spending too much too. Both are fiscally irresponsible.

2. The democrats may not actually believe that the country is racist, but playing the race card and promising free stuff is all they have to keep minorities on their urban plantations, since they don't actually know how to run the country without major economic disasters.

3. You listed the problems correctly, the optimization requires advanced technical ability, there is no simple answer, IMHO we need a president Elon Musk and his band of brainiacs to chart the path forward. Alternately, another "Grace Commission" to make recommendations how to streamline the Federal government would also be worthwhile.

4. The ME is a mess and always was, best we stand clear. Extreme vetting seems to be working.

5. Agreed that the hi-tech oligarchs need to be reigned in. Repealing section-230 is a good start, let the courts manage the oligarchs.

6. I liked "don't ask, don't tell" and there is no "protected class" bullshit and special treatment. I oppose joining the military just to have your plumbing changed.

7. Abortion is a matter better left alone. Don't give the democrats another issue to sway women voters.

8. Fauci paid the Wuhan Lab (run by a Chinese general) to develop more deadly bat viruses, aka "gain-of-function research" (actually germ warfare). Fauci killed over 700,000 Americans.

9. The vaccines are available, if you choose not to get vaccinated its a risk you accept.

10. Masks are an added safety measure, my wife is an RN and says they do reduce infections.

11. Trump is a brash micro-manager who does not understand politics, or he would NOT have behaved to badly during the 1st debate. My wife saw him as a bully and said she can't vote for him. Trump never learned that every vote matters, even if the MSM uses fake news and bias against him. Trump could have been re-elected if he was more presidential.

12. There were 1,000,000 people at the Trump rally, and about 400 criminals who rioted. The J6 Trump rally was a bad idea that cost Trump any chance for the nomination in 2024, he is "damaged goods".

13. The BLM riots were because too many bad cops got caught on video doing stupid shit. The dems had an excuse to riot and took it, hoping to make Trump look bad. They only made BLM and antifa look bad.

14. Trump had the border solved, apply and wait in Mexico, no one sneaks in illegally.

15. Healthcare is working, you can buy your own plan or the ACA option. We don't want single-payer, or Medicare for all, that just means no timely healthcare.

16. The 2nd Amendment is clear. Cities have strict gun control now, how is it working? Criminals don't follow laws, duh, so laws aren't the problem. "Stop & Frisk" worked, but now they are racist, duh.

17. Minimum wages that are too high just means fewer jobs. Maybe "heads of households" need a higher wage, but not high school kids.

18. The police issue will be decisive in 2022 and 2024. No one wants to defund the police but the leftists.

I agree with all of this except for #11, at least in part.

Trump was not a politician. Trump was arrogant. Trump wasn't a great speaker. Trump was a doer. Trump was like the arrogant CEO that pissed people off while his company saw windfall profits. He underestimated the idealistic approach many take when it comes to electing a president, case in point our current President. He makes the ignorant feel warm and fuzzy but he will bankrupt and ruin the country. Some don't care as long as seems like a nice guy.
 

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LOL I think the Independents and the Reps can agree that Bidung is a walking, talking hair sniffing disaster. I'd bet many Dems feel the same way.
 
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I am independent. I do not consider the GOP to be evil. You lose the bet, loser.
I didn’t say it was everybody smart guy… I was also being light hearted but you’ve obviously got the gerbil up your ass this morning and it sounds like he is biting
 

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What matters is what the two parties can agree on

1. Endless uncontrolled spending

2. Borders without walls.

3. Orange man bad.

1. Endless uncontrolled spending - NO. Obviously not true else Biden's $3.5 trillion bill would be law by now.

2. Borders without walls. NO. What the hell makes you think the GOP is for that?

3. Orange man bad. Okay, you got me there. But if he runs in 2024 I think he'll get elected cuz Biden and the democrats are fucking up so bad. I personally wish the Repubs would nominate somebody else, Trump is too divisive even within his own party.
 

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Honest question:

#1) Big Gov't: Democrats are all for it. Bigger the better. Welfare state. Republicans want small Gov't fewer regulations. Trust the market forces in terms of minimum wage, limit welfare, etc. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. They (I) believe there needs to be a safety net but a limited one. The more Gov't interference we have the worse the situation gets.

#2) Racism: Democrats now believe the country is systemically racist. They believe in teaching CRT in schools and the 1619 project. They want to treat PoC as 2nd class citizens via getting them jobs and college placement based on diversity vs. accomplishments. Treat PoC as too stupid to achieve success strictly based on merit. GOP believe everyone should be treated equally but they dismiss many a time the history of oppression and how many PoC have a tough time competing not because of skin color but because of education opportunities. Yes, PoC are equals but their starting line isn't always the same as those who are white and or Asian. Independents believe that the number of parents is a bigger indicator than skin color and that is what we need to concentrate on. A black child with two parents on average is more successful than a white child with one parent. Problem is 75% of black children only have one parent vs. 40% of white children. GOP and Independents for the most part agree that CRT is fine but should be taught as a college elective not to elementary or middle school kids as it causes more division not less. Independents see systemic racism as something that was in the past. Currently black people have the same legal rights as white people.

#3) Economy: Democrats want to go big or go home. Spend a ton and tax the rich. Even though the rich already pay like 80% of all the taxes. Republicans want to spend big but not on Green New Deal stuff and entitlements but the military. Neither is fiscally responsible. Independents would like some fiscal responsibility. Military spend is very important and we should be more environmentally friendly but a balanced budget is critical too and more and or higher taxes is not the answer because our Gov't doesn't understand how to spend efficiently.

#4) Foreign Policy: GOP and the Democrats seem to be all set with endless wars. That being said a military presence is needed overseas to make sure events like 9/11 do not happen again. Democrats believe American meddling caused 9/11 not the fact that Islamists are insane. So Democrats want out of the Middle East and to tell Israel to stand on its own. GOP wants to support Israel as it is a critical ally in the Middle East. The Afghanistan exist further divided the parties. Independents as I see it generally side with the GOP on foreign policy.

#5) Censorship: Democrats are the party of cancel culture. You offend them and they want you cancelled. Period. End of Story. There is no grace. There is no forgiveness. An email you sent 15 years ago will haunt you now even though you may have only been 15 when you sent it. GOP understands the slippery slope of this and generally is opposed to cancel culture unless in extreme circumstances. GOP believes that social media companies like FB, Twitter and YouTube lean way too far left. Independent as I see it generally side with the GOP on this. Overall all three distrust the media as illustrated by poor approval ratings (Only Congress has lower ones).

#6) LGTBQ: Democrats have embraced the community. They are 100% pro gay marriage, trans rights and will cancel you if you oppose it. Zero tolerance. GOP is highly religious and is on the opposite of this. They have become more tolerant to gay rights but many don't believe a religious baker has to bake a cake for example. Independents believe that gay rights are important but side with the GOP more frequently on trans rights when it comes to athletic competitions and locker rooms. They believe treating trans girls as biological girls in those instances is asking too much.

#7) Abortion: Democrats are pro choice up to month 39. GOP is pro life. Independents fall in the middle. Pro choice in the first trimester. Many like myself just shut their mouth because we are men. Tough situation. Independents tend to lean toward the Democratic Party position here.

#8) China/COVID: Democrats believe the virus came from a market and saying otherwise is racist. GOP believe it came from a lab and was covered up and anyone who doesn't see that as in putting two and two together is stupid. Independents seem to lean with the GOP on this one.

#9) Vaccines: Democrats believe if you don't get vaccinated you're a selfish person and should be shamed and cancelled. This is whether you had the virus already or not. GOP believe you should get the vaccine if you're at risk but it should be a personal choice. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#10) Masks: Democrats believe if you had COVID and are vaccinated you should still wear a mask because Dr. Fauci says so. GOP believe masks are superfluous. Independents seem to fall somewhere in the middle. Tough situation. Those with kids do believe kids wearing them all day is unfortunate and not necessary (Independents and GOP).

#11) Trump: Democrats see him as the Anti-Christ. GOP see him as Christ reborn. Independents like his fiscal policies for the most part as well as stance on immigration and military. Dislike his rhetoric and divisive nature.

#12) Jan 6th: Democrats see it as a full insurrection. GOP see it as a protest that got out of hand. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Post news that the FBI found that it was not coordinated and not one person has been charged with insurrection they lean more with the GOP.

#13) BLM Riots: Democrats see them as mostly peaceful protests and anger over police violence. GOP see the Democrats as hypocrites as BLM rioted all summer and looted and murdered but because Democrats rely on the black vote, GOP believes that Democrats shrugged at the riots. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#14) Immigration: Democrats are as close to open border support as I have seen. They say no but actions speak louder than words. GOP wants the border wall and all illegals deported. Independents want a strong border policy with some humanitarian traits. Illegals should be deported if dangerous but also given an opportunity to become legal.

#15) Healthcare: Democrats want UH or if not that expanded ACA. GOP seem to want to move to a more free market healthcare state. Independents are in the middle. You can have two of three: (i) Affordability (ii) Universality (iii) Quality. Democrats seem to want II and III. GOP wants I and III. Independents seem to want I and III as well.

#16) 2nd Amendment: Democrats want to demonize gun owners. GOP is the polar opposite. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Gun rights are important since the horse has left the barn but maybe stricter background checks and such are necessary.

#17) Min Wage: Democrats want it at $15/hr and maybe more. They use the term living wage frequently. GOP believes that will hinder many small businesses. Independents believe it should be by state. $15 carries a lot less value in NYC than Jackson Miss.

#18) Police: Democrats see them as racist and support defunding the police. GOP is all Blue Lives Matter. Police are critical in keeping our neighborhoods safe. Independents definitely side with the GOP here.


This is all I got. Feel free to add anything I may have missed and of course feel free to disagree. It doesn't seem like we all agree on much of anything these days.

Is there anything Democrats, Republicans and Independents agree on?​

Yes! Hillary should never be president
 
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I didn’t say it was everybody smart guy… I was also being light hearted but you’ve obviously got the gerbil up your ass this morning and it sounds like he is biting
I just enjoy calling you a loser. He he
 

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I agree with all of this except for #11, at least in part.

Trump was not a politician. Trump was arrogant. Trump wasn't a great speaker. Trump was a doer. Trump was like the arrogant CEO that pissed people off while his company saw windfall profits. He underestimated the idealistic approach many take when it comes to electing a president, case in point our current President. He makes the ignorant feel warm and fuzzy but he will bankrupt and ruin the country. Some don't care as long as seems like a nice guy.
Agree Trump was a "doer". He was an NYC real estate businessman who successfully built and managed his organization. Also agree that democrats mastered the political technique called "lying" and the MSM mastered "fake news". The MSM painted Trump as the "billionaire bully" and he never did anything to prove them wrong. In fact his 1st debate proved it. If you are truly competent you need to understand what being "presidential" means.

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Honest question:

#1) Big Gov't: Democrats are all for it. Bigger the better. Welfare state. Republicans want small Gov't fewer regulations. Trust the market forces in terms of minimum wage, limit welfare, etc. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. They (I) believe there needs to be a safety net but a limited one. The more Gov't interference we have the worse the situation gets.

#2) Racism: Democrats now believe the country is systemically racist. They believe in teaching CRT in schools and the 1619 project. They want to treat PoC as 2nd class citizens via getting them jobs and college placement based on diversity vs. accomplishments. Treat PoC as too stupid to achieve success strictly based on merit. GOP believe everyone should be treated equally but they dismiss many a time the history of oppression and how many PoC have a tough time competing not because of skin color but because of education opportunities. Yes, PoC are equals but their starting line isn't always the same as those who are white and or Asian. Independents believe that the number of parents is a bigger indicator than skin color and that is what we need to concentrate on. A black child with two parents on average is more successful than a white child with one parent. Problem is 75% of black children only have one parent vs. 40% of white children. GOP and Independents for the most part agree that CRT is fine but should be taught as a college elective not to elementary or middle school kids as it causes more division not less. Independents see systemic racism as something that was in the past. Currently black people have the same legal rights as white people.

#3) Economy: Democrats want to go big or go home. Spend a ton and tax the rich. Even though the rich already pay like 80% of all the taxes. Republicans want to spend big but not on Green New Deal stuff and entitlements but the military. Neither is fiscally responsible. Independents would like some fiscal responsibility. Military spend is very important and we should be more environmentally friendly but a balanced budget is critical too and more and or higher taxes is not the answer because our Gov't doesn't understand how to spend efficiently.

#4) Foreign Policy: GOP and the Democrats seem to be all set with endless wars. That being said a military presence is needed overseas to make sure events like 9/11 do not happen again. Democrats believe American meddling caused 9/11 not the fact that Islamists are insane. So Democrats want out of the Middle East and to tell Israel to stand on its own. GOP wants to support Israel as it is a critical ally in the Middle East. The Afghanistan exist further divided the parties. Independents as I see it generally side with the GOP on foreign policy.

#5) Censorship: Democrats are the party of cancel culture. You offend them and they want you cancelled. Period. End of Story. There is no grace. There is no forgiveness. An email you sent 15 years ago will haunt you now even though you may have only been 15 when you sent it. GOP understands the slippery slope of this and generally is opposed to cancel culture unless in extreme circumstances. GOP believes that social media companies like FB, Twitter and YouTube lean way too far left. Independent as I see it generally side with the GOP on this. Overall all three distrust the media as illustrated by poor approval ratings (Only Congress has lower ones).

#6) LGTBQ: Democrats have embraced the community. They are 100% pro gay marriage, trans rights and will cancel you if you oppose it. Zero tolerance. GOP is highly religious and is on the opposite of this. They have become more tolerant to gay rights but many don't believe a religious baker has to bake a cake for example. Independents believe that gay rights are important but side with the GOP more frequently on trans rights when it comes to athletic competitions and locker rooms. They believe treating trans girls as biological girls in those instances is asking too much.

#7) Abortion: Democrats are pro choice up to month 39. GOP is pro life. Independents fall in the middle. Pro choice in the first trimester. Many like myself just shut their mouth because we are men. Tough situation. Independents tend to lean toward the Democratic Party position here.

#8) China/COVID: Democrats believe the virus came from a market and saying otherwise is racist. GOP believe it came from a lab and was covered up and anyone who doesn't see that as in putting two and two together is stupid. Independents seem to lean with the GOP on this one.

#9) Vaccines: Democrats believe if you don't get vaccinated you're a selfish person and should be shamed and cancelled. This is whether you had the virus already or not. GOP believe you should get the vaccine if you're at risk but it should be a personal choice. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#10) Masks: Democrats believe if you had COVID and are vaccinated you should still wear a mask because Dr. Fauci says so. GOP believe masks are superfluous. Independents seem to fall somewhere in the middle. Tough situation. Those with kids do believe kids wearing them all day is unfortunate and not necessary (Independents and GOP).

#11) Trump: Democrats see him as the Anti-Christ. GOP see him as Christ reborn. Independents like his fiscal policies for the most part as well as stance on immigration and military. Dislike his rhetoric and divisive nature.

#12) Jan 6th: Democrats see it as a full insurrection. GOP see it as a protest that got out of hand. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Post news that the FBI found that it was not coordinated and not one person has been charged with insurrection they lean more with the GOP.

#13) BLM Riots: Democrats see them as mostly peaceful protests and anger over police violence. GOP see the Democrats as hypocrites as BLM rioted all summer and looted and murdered but because Democrats rely on the black vote, GOP believes that Democrats shrugged at the riots. Independents seem to side with the GOP on this one.

#14) Immigration: Democrats are as close to open border support as I have seen. They say no but actions speak louder than words. GOP wants the border wall and all illegals deported. Independents want a strong border policy with some humanitarian traits. Illegals should be deported if dangerous but also given an opportunity to become legal.

#15) Healthcare: Democrats want UH or if not that expanded ACA. GOP seem to want to move to a more free market healthcare state. Independents are in the middle. You can have two of three: (i) Affordability (ii) Universality (iii) Quality. Democrats seem to want II and III. GOP wants I and III. Independents seem to want I and III as well.

#16) 2nd Amendment: Democrats want to demonize gun owners. GOP is the polar opposite. Independents fall somewhere in the middle. Gun rights are important since the horse has left the barn but maybe stricter background checks and such are necessary.

#17) Min Wage: Democrats want it at $15/hr and maybe more. They use the term living wage frequently. GOP believes that will hinder many small businesses. Independents believe it should be by state. $15 carries a lot less value in NYC than Jackson Miss.

#18) Police: Democrats see them as racist and support defunding the police. GOP is all Blue Lives Matter. Police are critical in keeping our neighborhoods safe. Independents definitely side with the GOP here.


This is all I got. Feel free to add anything I may have missed and of course feel free to disagree. It doesn't seem like we all agree on much of anything these days.
You're already telling us what we all think so why bother engaging with you? This wasnt about what, if anything, we agree on but yet another vehicle for you to spout your nonsense. Hopefully the mods will take down this nonsense.
 

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