CDZ Is there any danger of civil war in the U.S.?

[rightwinger]

No

Americans are fat and lazy

I think you are on to something. I think that the average person cares little about freedom and only wants safety and comfort.

Come to think of it, during the American Revolution the vast majority of Americans were not in open rebellion to the crown. The Revolution was fought by a minority of Americans.

It was a tax revolt. Most common citizens were not paying taxes.
But they did the dying

 

[Votto]

No

Americans are fat and lazy

I think you are on to something. I think that the average person cares little about freedom and only wants safety and comfort.

Come to think of it, during the American Revolution the vast majority of Americans were not in open rebellion to the crown. The Revolution was fought by a minority of Americans.

It was a tax revolt. Most common citizens were not paying taxes.
But they did the dying

Actually the Boston Tea Party was not over higher taxes. The British East Indies company sought a monopoly on tea that actually made taxes go down. The whole revolt was over control of the tea.

And again, this was staged by a small fraction of society.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

To a lot of non-US citizens, the population appears to be more divided than ever. There seems to be a fundamental lack of respect for people with different political views, and the rethoric is often hateful and demeaning.
Is this a reflection of reality, or is it a social media effect? Do americans really despise each other this much? Will whoever wins your next election be able to unify your people, or is this the beginning of a downward spiral?

As a side question, are there any good (relatively factual) sources to understanding your political climate?

Xi and Soros would like nothing better. I think this summer might get very uncomfortable especially in big Blue cities

 

[rightwinger]

6

No

Americans are fat and lazy

I think you are on to something. I think that the average person cares little about freedom and only wants safety and comfort.

Come to think of it, during the American Revolution the vast majority of Americans were not in open rebellion to the crown. The Revolution was fought by a minority of Americans.

It was a tax revolt. Most common citizens were not paying taxes.
But they did the dying

Actually the Boston Tea Party was not over higher taxes. The British East Indies company sought a monopoly on tea that actually made taxes go down. The whole revolt was over control of the tea.

And again, this was staged by a small fraction of society.

I thought it was the stamp tax
Regardless, the source of tea did not affect the common man

The French and Indian War was a major financial burden on England. They thought the Colonies should pay more for their own own defense.

 

[Mac1958]

To a lot of non-US citizens, the population appears to be more divided than ever. There seems to be a fundamental lack of respect for people with different political views, and the rethoric is often hateful and demeaning.
Is this a reflection of reality, or is it a social media effect? Do americans really despise each other this much? Will whoever wins your next election be able to unify your people, or is this the beginning of a downward spiral?

As a side question, are there any good (relatively factual) sources to understanding your political climate?

Very doubtful. While the two narcissistic ends of our political spectrum are doing all they can to rip this country apart, there is still a very large center that manages to hold it together. It's just not as loud or emotional or pugilistic.

Could there be sporadic violence at some point? Yeah, could be. But there's just as good a chance that those on the ends of the spectrum will go so far overboard that they'll marginalize themselves and reason will take over again.

It's a bad time. But we'll get past it. And them.

 

[rightwinger]

The closest I saw to Civil War was in the 1960s.

Civil Rights, Anti-War and Women’s Rights

We saw the excesses of Government

 

[EvilCat Breath]

We are incredibly close to out and out civil war. When the results of elections are no longer accepted there is civil war. Democrats have stopped accepting the results of any election they lose. They have tried to remove a duly elected president. Since that failed out and out solicitations for assassinstions don't even raise an eyebrow. We are only waiting for the spark.

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[Deplorable Yankee]

Please stay on topic going forward, and remember it's the CDZ

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[Deplorable Yankee]

Here ya go op a current musing from a boogaloo bob

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Long read good stuff

You can find a lot of talk of it by more mainstream sources when they we're running cw2 stories the last couple years

Most normies and certainly the left don't really understand that cw2 is the last thing we want ...but they'll call us terrorists anyway ...it'll be forced on us ..

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

One for the terrorists

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[SavannahMann]

There are a few vital elements missing. The issues aren’t one of them, there are plenty of issues. And that is part of another problem I’ll get to in a couple paragraphs.

First thing missing. Leaders. The Leaders of the Southern States felt that secession was a good idea, and even needed to protect the States Rights. At the time, the battle was more about the roles. An argument that still crops up from time to time. But Leadership, people that could be recognized as the President of the CSA, and who could appoint officers and essentially raise an army. This factor is missing today. There are no recognized leaders who can rally the people behind them for such a massive undertaking. In fact, there are probably ten thousand people who see themselves as the future leader. Armchair Generals who imagine the world finally seeing things their way, or at least enough to overthrow the chains of whatever.

Second thing. Agreement within regional areas. Even States would disagree that revolt and secession was a good idea within their border. Even Wyoming, one of the least populated states, you couldn’t get enough on board to set out. And the entire state of Wyoming has fewer people than a mid sized city.

So it would be local revolts, and I use the term revolts intentionally. It would not be the Revolution, or even the Civil War. It would be a series of small local brush wars. A town, or couple towns, or counties would revolt. And here is where it gets really bad.

It would be Religious to some, Race to others, Libertarianism versus Socialism in some.

Yugoslavia during World War II would be a fair example. Within that one small country you had three groups of Yugoslavian Citizens fighting for control, during the war. It was occupied by the Nazi’s, and you had underground groups aligned with and supporting the Fascists. Armed groups that would hunt down the others. You had Anti Nazi, pro Democracy underground groups who would get support from the Allies, mainly the American OSS, and the British SOE. Then you had other groups who were Pro Soviet, and anti Fascist, and of course Anti Democratic. These three groups were fighting each other more than they were the Nazis. To a lesser extent you had a similar situation in behind the lines in Eastern Europe, and France.

So as they went around to the Civilians seeking food, and any other materials that they could use, they would kill people who were not aligned with their group, and were supporting the other groups. So it was not just that you were supporting the Partisan‘s, it was which Partisans were being supported, and if they could protect you and your support from the other Partisans.

Such things would happen if another Civil War happened here very quickly. Did you help that other group? Well they are our enemies, and you helped our enemies, which makes you a traitor to our cause. Hang him.

I am not one who looks forward to it, because I know Federal Authority would be the first thing lost. The Military could not be everywhere, and they would need to be. The national Guard could not be everywhere, and they would need to be. So the local groups would have to be defeated one after another, while they are melting back into the community when you come in with too much power for them to fight. That power has to move along, and when it does, they come out of the shadows, and once again take control.

I don’t think we’re there yet. But if we do get there, we’ll long for the Civilized barbarities of the First Civil War.

 

[HenryBHough]

Without one we seem doomed to become just another "People's Republic" with no citizens, only subjects.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This is not a civil war. This is a cultural revolution patterned after Mao's cultural revolution.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I agree with Michael Moore -- you point a gun at them, most of them will pee their pants and run away like little children!

Which, if true, proves that guns make you safer, something which Michael Moore would never admit and I'm guessing you won't admit it either.

 

[jwoodie]

Rather than a civil war, I expect the following after the November elections: If Trump wins, there will be massive protests that will require military force to control. If Biden wins, an increasing number of States will defy federal authority and a Constitutional crisis will ensue.

 

[anynameyouwish]

To a lot of non-US citizens, the population appears to be more divided than ever. There seems to be a fundamental lack of respect for people with different political views, and the rethoric is often hateful and demeaning.
Is this a reflection of reality, or is it a social media effect? Do americans really despise each other this much? Will whoever wins your next election be able to unify your people, or is this the beginning of a downward spiral?

As a side question, are there any good (relatively factual) sources to understanding your political climate?

chance of civil war = yes

do we despise each other?

That is more complicated;

REAL right wing conservatives are about 10% of the population BUT they have a LOT of power; the republican party, hate radio, fox news, breitbart, pjmedia, the blaze.....and THEY DESPISE EVERYONE;

liberals, gays, atheists, muslims, democrats, rinos, decent republicans, moderates, rational people,

the only people they do NOT despise are KKK, Neo Nais, Nazis, white supremacists

meanwhile;
Another 20-30% of the population are NOT "right wing" but are decidedly conservative and are being frightened by the fear mongering of the VAST RIGHT CONSERVATIVE complex into "FEARING" everyone esle....... but I don't believe they actually DESPISE them.

meanwhile;

@5% of the population are LEFTWING and, not actually knowing any, I assume THEY despise RIGHTWINGERS and CONSERVATIVES but I don't know who else they despise

meanwhile;

@25-30% of the population are Liberal and I'm sure THEY DESPISE right wingers and conservatives but not anyone else...

meanwhile;

every body else is a moderate and we DESPISE those on the Left AND Right who can't behave like civilized human beings and keep threatening violence and mayhem......

 

[DOTR]

This climate is pretty tame in comparison to the 60s or 70s. It's not as if there have been thousands of bombings and such. I think we can handle some social media outrage without going full Ft. Sumter.

that was the left in insurrection as well. With masked leftists and democrats burning cities down.

 

[DOTR]

To a lot of non-US citizens, the population appears to be more divided than ever. There seems to be a fundamental lack of respect for people with different political views, and the rethoric is often hateful and demeaning.
Is this a reflection of reality, or is it a social media effect? Do americans really despise each other this much? Will whoever wins your next election be able to unify your people, or is this the beginning of a downward spiral?

As a side question, are there any good (relatively factual) sources to understanding your political climate?

We don’t have a people. The Democrats imported another population to replace us. Same as your country.

 

[Rambunctious]

No

Americans are fat and lazy

Speak for yourself....

 

[Rambunctious]

Eventually the blue cities will restore law and order because it harming their chances of staying in office....this is not popular....to protest with no end and taking over blue cities without a fight....that does not help you win hearts and minds......