Is The Political Divide Based On ‘Objective’ Versus ‘Subjective’?

[Lisa558]

I am not saying it those that define words are and they have since Liberalism was invented two hundred years ago.

That liberalism doesn’t exist anymore, so what’s the point? Current liberalism is the exact opposite.

 

[Moonglow]

That liberalism doesn’t exist anymore, so what’s the point? Current liberalism is the exact opposite.

That is not liberalism just like Republicans are not conservatives.

 

[Lisa558]

That is not liberalism just like Republicans are not conservatives.

Some are, but I agree we have a lot of RHINOs.

 

[Moonglow]

Some are, but I agree we have a lot of RHINOs.

Then I suggest you take a political science course and learn proper nomenclature if you want to pigeonhole people.

 

[Lisa558]

Then I suggest you take a political science course and learn proper nomenclature if you want to pigeonhole people.

This is rich from someone who just made a broad sweeping remark that Republicans are not conservatives.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The racism on the left is horrific, and unless we stop it, it will only get worse. If Harris becomes president, G-d forbid, she has all sorts of aces up her sleeve designed specifically to help people of the “right” color, the cost of which to be borne (both financially and via lost opportunity) by the “wrong” race.

I like the cut of your jib!

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're rambling.

Your first paragraph should summarize what you're trying to say.

Science? Minorities?

Wut?

I'm still waiting not-so-patiently for any Leftist/Democrat/Progressive to come to grip with the import of the OP that brought your sort here.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OMG!! You are saying liberalism is a willingness to accept opinions different from one’s own? Hah! Anyone venturing an opinion that deviates even slightly from the left is called every name in the book and/or cancelled outright.

And liberalism promotes individual rights? Then what’s with all these mandates?

I can’t believe you typed what you did with a straight face.

On the bright side, the Democrats with any brains recognize their mistake.

For an understanding of "intelligent" versus "ignorant,".....

Which applies to the voter who votes based on 'tweets' versus policies?







Should one vote for a person…or for the policies that person brings to governance....policies like open borders, teaching racism, socialism, censorship of opponents, and high taxes....and rewarding our international enemies?????
Or...accepting bribes from those international enemies?????




Of course making the Democrat....er, ignorant, choice requires far less insight, experience, logic, knowledge, history and facts in our calculations.
And far less effort.



But the result often brings….remorse.



Regrets, you've had a few: 20% want Biden vote back
https://www.msn.com › en-us › news › politics › regrets-you-ve-had-a-few-20-want-biden-vote-back › ar-AAO4csZ
Remarkably, 21% of Democrats expressed regret as did 29% of his Republican voters. The overall hit to Biden was tempered by independents, of which just 14% said they wanted their vote back.



Democrats 'Regret' Voting Biden in Staggering Numbers ...
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Time may be running out for Biden's occupation of the White House. Rasmussen reports that "nearly 1 in 10 Democrats regret their vote in the 2020 presidential election, with 12 percent of 'Moderates' saying the same, and 14 percent of black Americans expressing regret.". Per Rasmussen - here are the details: Just 37 percent of voters say they would vote for Biden today.



New Poll: 80% of Democrats REGRET Electing Biden | The ...
https://theblacksphere.net › 2021 › 10 › new-poll-80-of-democrats-regret-electing-biden
Three weeks ago, the same poll found that 42% approved and 50% disapproved. Thirty-two percent of Independents approve of Biden while 60% disapprove. Four percent of Republicans approve, 94% disapprove. Still, 80% of Democrats approve of the president's job overall and 10% disapprove. take our poll - story continues below.



Anyone wonder as to what percent of Youngkin's votes were from recovering Democrats?????

 

[alang1216]

Here is the context for this thread:

We’ve built western civilization on two pillars: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
“If you believe that government has no right to intrude upon the exercise of your individual will, that you have a moral duty to be virtuous, that human beings are capable of bettering the world through the use of reason, you are a product of Jerusalem and Athens.”
Ben Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History.”


The Left/Democrats/Progressives have pretty much ended the impact of religion…..and now they are doing the same with science: they plan to end it in the name of diversity and inclusion.





1.I have usually formulated the difference between the Left and the Right as being based on the primacy of the collective, versus the individual. The Founders, and conservatives today, choosing the latter. But an interesting essay by the brilliant Heather MacDonald presents this conundrum: is there any future for Western Civilization if we no longer strive for excellence?


2. In “Unscientific Method,” Scientific Merit and the "Equity" Cult | City Journal MacDonald relates the story of a scientist whose work was ‘erased’ because it valued merit over diversity.

“…astronomer John Kormendy withdrew an article from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), after a preprint version that he had just posted on the web drew sharp criticism for threatening the conduct of “inclusive” science. … the preprint version was scrubbed as well (though a PDF can still be found here.)

3. What was so hurtful in his article? Kormendy had aimed to reduce the role of individual subjectivity in scientific hiring and tenure decisions. He created a model that predicted a scientist’s long-term research impact from the citation history of his early publications. He tested the results of his model against a panel of 22 prestigious astronomers, many of whom had advised the federal government on scientific research priorities and had served as jurors on high-profile astronomy prizes. That panel rated the research impact of the 512 astronomers whom Kormendy had run through his model; the panel’s conclusions closely matched the model’s results.

4. In 2021, a different standard for evaluating ideas applies: Do they help or hinder females and underrepresented minorities in STEM? Kormendy’s model, tweeted an astrophysicist at the City University of New York, “JUST TOOK ANY TINY STEPS WE ARE MAKING TOWARDS EQUITY AND THREW THEM OUT OF THE WINDOW” (capitalization in the original). An astronomer in Budapest objected that Kormendy had failed to consult with “relevant humanities experts” about cumulative bias against females and minorities.

5. But that non-representation was exactly the point—scientific expertise is not democratic.”





One can only wonder if Democrat voters have ever considered that their vote constitutes agreement with the idea that gender or skin color should determine which members of the science community should advance, and why.

And....can we still refer to the endeavor as 'science'????

And where any of those voters taken aback in 2009 when the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded on the basis of skin color?

I'm not impressed by this attorney's opinions. The world is changing (shocking I know) and looking back on the success of women and minorities in science doesn't seem like it would take these changes into account.

 

[alang1216]

Back on point: the Left/Democrats/Progressives will no longer allow any scientific advancement unless it is due to the work of those of the 'right' color, gender or class.

That is what this thread is designed to prove.....and I'm challenging any Democrat voter to refute same.

You're welcome.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. Is this something that those of us not male, or white, cannot bear????

“Presumably, the critics intuit (correctly) that quantitative measures of scientific influence will show that white males have had the greatest impact on science to date. That finding would not be inequitable on its face, however, unless we define equity as equality of outcome.

The work did pass peer review, however, and no one has claimed that the oversight process was manipulated. The solution to disagreements over premises or method is to publish a rebuttal, not to disappear the allegedly incorrect paper, absent a showing of fraud or belatedly discovered errors so great as to undercut the entire enterprise.”



Shouldn’t not being in the top of or class make us strive harder??? Isn’t that the key to the success of our civilization…..not simply giving everyone a participation trophy????





“The Kormendy retraction is now the fifth in recent years cancelling a scientific paper deemed to bear negatively on equity in STEM. Previous cancellations include a mathematical model to explain why evolution would select for greater variability in inherited traits among males of a species and an empirical study comparing the benefits of male and female mentorship in STEM (male mentorship proved more advantageous). The authors of the latter retracted article expressed “deep regret” for having “caused pain.” Scientific Merit and the "Equity" Cult | City Journal



We should begin by never apologizing for rectitude. It only encourages the barbarians.



Where did these elites learn to leave reality, objectivity, truth, behind???

Government school, I suppose.

 

[Lisa558]

On the bright side, the Democrats with any brains recognize their mistake.

For an understanding of "intelligent" versus "ignorant,".....

Which applies to the voter who votes based on 'tweets' versus policies?







Should one vote for a person…or for the policies that person brings to governance....policies like open borders, teaching racism, socialism, censorship of opponents, and high taxes....and rewarding our international enemies?????
Or...accepting bribes from those international enemies?????




Of course making the Democrat....er, ignorant, choice requires far less insight, experience, logic, knowledge, history and facts in our calculations.
And far less effort.



But the result often brings….remorse.



Regrets, you've had a few: 20% want Biden vote back
https://www.msn.com › en-us › news › politics › regrets-you-ve-had-a-few-20-want-biden-vote-back › ar-AAO4csZ
Remarkably, 21% of Democrats expressed regret as did 29% of his Republican voters. The overall hit to Biden was tempered by independents, of which just 14% said they wanted their vote back.



Democrats 'Regret' Voting Biden in Staggering Numbers ...
https://neonnettle.com › news › 16392-democrats-regret-voting-biden-in-staggering-numbers-poll-shows
Time may be running out for Biden's occupation of the White House. Rasmussen reports that "nearly 1 in 10 Democrats regret their vote in the 2020 presidential election, with 12 percent of 'Moderates' saying the same, and 14 percent of black Americans expressing regret.". Per Rasmussen - here are the details: Just 37 percent of voters say they would vote for Biden today.



New Poll: 80% of Democrats REGRET Electing Biden | The ...
https://theblacksphere.net › 2021 › 10 › new-poll-80-of-democrats-regret-electing-biden
Three weeks ago, the same poll found that 42% approved and 50% disapproved. Thirty-two percent of Independents approve of Biden while 60% disapprove. Four percent of Republicans approve, 94% disapprove. Still, 80% of Democrats approve of the president's job overall and 10% disapprove. take our poll - story continues below.



Anyone wonder as to what percent of Youngkin's votes were from recovering Democrats?????

Not sure about the diehard Democrats, but the majority of independents who went Biden last year voted for Youngkin this year. That has got to scare the crappola out of Dems. Can‘t win an election if you don’t capture the indys.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not sure about the diehard Democrats, but the majority of independents who went Biden last year voted for Youngkin this year. That has got to scare the crappola out of Dems. Can‘t win an election if you don’t capture the indys.

The problem is that they are fanatics, they are a death cult, and their views of the defeat is to move further Left.

These are not normal people......they are the Japanese Kamikaze pilots, the Palestinian suicide bombers.....

"Former Obama campaign manager says Democrats need to 'go on the offense' on CRT​

David Plouffe, a former Obama-Biden campaign manager, advised Democrats up for election in 2022 to "go on the offense" on critical race theory (CRT) in light of the Virginia gubernatorial election.

On Tuesday, Plouffe appeared on "MSNBC Live" to comment on the Virginia governor race between former Democratic Gov. Terry McAuliffe and Republican candidate Glenn Youngkin. Youngkin managed to declare victory later that night following a campaign that was focused on parents’ growing concerns for their children’s education regarding school shutdowns, CRT and other progressive agendas.

Progressives have repeatedly claimed that Virginia schools never taught the curriculum, despite the state Department of Education website listing the phrase multiple times. Plouffe argued that McAuliffe and other Democrats should use a different strategy and "go on the offense" and defend critical race teachings."

"Former Obama campaign manager says Democrats need to 'go on the offense' on CRT​

Former Barack Obama campaign manager David Plouffe urged Democrats to “go on the offense” regarding critical race theory in 2022 elections.

www.foxnews.com




You've just been arguing with one of those geniuses......don't imagine they are sane, intelligent or normal.

 

[Moonglow]

This is rich from someone who just made a broad sweeping remark that Republicans are not conservatives.

They are not, none have any idea the Republicans can't balance a checkbook when in power.

 

[Moonglow]

The problem is that they are fanatics, they are a death cult, and their views of the defeat is to move further Left.

These are not normal people......they are the Japanese Kamikaze pilots, the Palestinian suicide bombers.....




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"Former Obama campaign manager says Democrats need to 'go on the offense' on CRT​

David Plouffe, a former Obama-Biden campaign manager, advised Democrats up for election in 2022 to "go on the offense" on critical race theory (CRT) in light of the Virginia gubernatorial election.

On Tuesday, Plouffe appeared on "MSNBC Live" to comment on the Virginia governor race between former Democratic Gov. Terry McAuliffe and Republican candidate Glenn Youngkin. Youngkin managed to declare victory later that night following a campaign that was focused on parents’ growing concerns for their children’s education regarding school shutdowns, CRT and other progressive agendas.

Progressives have repeatedly claimed that Virginia schools never taught the curriculum, despite the state Department of Education website listing the phrase multiple times. Plouffe argued that McAuliffe and other Democrats should use a different strategy and "go on the offense" and defend critical race teachings."

"Former Obama campaign manager says Democrats need to 'go on the offense' on CRT​

Former Barack Obama campaign manager David Plouffe urged Democrats to “go on the offense” regarding critical race theory in 2022 elections.

www.foxnews.com




You've just been arguing with one of those geniuses......don't imagine they are sane, intelligent or normal.

Same problems the entire world is having so it's all Biden fault since Biden rules the world.

 

[alang1216]

Can‘t win an election if you don’t capture the indys.

Agreed. Youngkin ran a good champaign, downplaying his more right wing policies and using a poor choice of words by McAuliff to scare parents. Of course this is Virginia so he is already a lame duck and, now that he's in office, he do as he pleases. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to enact restrictions on abortions and unions and other unpopular policies and paved the way for a Dem successor. We'll see, the electorate is fickle.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. “…a committee that awards fellowships for the American Geophysical Union cancelled the slate of finalists that peer scientists had forwarded to it because the three finalists were all white men.”

Is this something that those of us not male, or white, cannot bear????





“Presumably, the critics intuit (correctly) that quantitative measures of scientific influence will show that white males have had the greatest impact on science to date. That finding would not be inequitable on its face, however, unless we define equity as equality of outcome.

The work did pass peer review, however, and no one has claimed that the oversight process was manipulated. The solution to disagreements over premises or method is to publish a rebuttal, not to disappear the allegedly incorrect paper, absent a showing of fraud or belatedly discovered errors so great as to undercut the entire enterprise.”



Shouldn’t not being in the top of or class make us strive harder??? Isn’t that the key to the success of our civilization…..not simply giving everyone a participation trophy????





“The Kormendy retraction is now the fifth in recent years cancelling a scientific paper deemed to bear negatively on equity in STEM. Previous cancellations include a mathematical model to explain why evolution would select for greater variability in inherited traits among males of a species and an empirical study comparing the benefits of male and female mentorship in STEM (male mentorship proved more advantageous). The authors of the latter retracted article expressed “deep regret” for having “caused pain.” Scientific Merit and the "Equity" Cult | City Journal



We should begin by never apologizing for rectitude. It only encourages the barbarians.



Where did these elites learn to leave reality, objectivity, truth, behind???

Government school, I suppose.

 

[Donald H]

Is this something that those of us not male, or white, cannot bear????

Why is it about males with you all of a sudden?

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. Where did these elites learn to leave reality, objectivity, truth, behind???



Here is where it becomes political: they were trained to be blind in the madrassas called universities.

…. this is what our universities turn out today:

“Pew found that 40 percent of Millennials “say the government should be able to prevent people publicly making statements that are offensive to minority groups.” Compare that with 27 percent for Generation Xers and 24 percent for Baby Boomers. Making the data even more alarming is that it was gathered in 2015; one can only presume that the percentage today, especially among Generation Z, is even higher.

What does our culture value? One recent survey found that a majority of college students support shouting down speakers with whom they disagree; 23 percent supported the use of violence toward this end. At some colleges, the percentage supporting such violence crept into the 40s.”
What Happens When Free Speech Dies | National Review





Sadly, these views extend to graduates, post graduates, professional scientists, as well.

How do we get the toothpaste back in the tube????

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. “And now, in addition to the inhibitions on publishing, the cancellation machine is explicitly wiping out judgments of scientific merit if they fail to meet a diversity quota.



In October, a few days before the Kormendy retraction, a committee that awards fellowships for the American Geophysical Union cancelled the slate of finalists that peer scientists had forwarded to it because the three finalists were all white men. Better not to award a fellowship at all than to give it to a white male. The leader in the cancellation effort admitted that the finalists, who specialize in the study of snow and ice, were “truly, amazingly deserving.” But the cancellation would result in a “fairer process,” she told E & E News.



The cancelling committee presented no evidence of unfairness in the nomination process, apart from the unacceptable result. Indeed, the entire American Geophysical Union fellowship process was decidedly pro-female: female finalists overall had a nearly 50 percent greater chance of being selected for a fellowship than male finalists. That disparity is not regarded as unfair, just as the higher ratings given to female scientists by female raters in the Kormendy study were not regarded as biased.”
Scientific Merit and the "Equity" Cult | City Journal



In a time when sanity prevailed, it would be risible to contemplate science awards being given on the basis of gender, or race.


Not today.


This is the legacy of Democrat/Leftist/Progressive control of the culture.