Is the GOP intentionally preventing a recovery?

[daveman]

Actually Bush and Congress bailed them out.

But as I said, Bush's SEC allowed Wall Street to run a Ponzi scheme.

And Bush lowered taxes for the rich, started two unfunded wars and a trillion dollar Medicare drug program, all of which doubled the National Debt.

Nice try at deflecting, however.

Yeah, Bush's debt was awful.

But Obama's debt is good and righteous and holy.

Right, Chris?

Obama added Bush's wars and drug plan which were previously not on the budget. That's $Trillions.

Got it. Obama can do no wrong.

 

[daveman]

Actually Bush and Congress bailed them out.

But as I said, Bush's SEC allowed Wall Street to run a Ponzi scheme.

And Bush lowered taxes for the rich, started two unfunded wars and a trillion dollar Medicare drug program, all of which doubled the National Debt.

Nice try at deflecting, however.

Yeah, Bush's debt was awful.

But Obama's debt is good and righteous and holy.

Right, Chris?

No, but Obama had the disadvantage of an economy going into a deflationary spiral.

The goverment MUST be the demand of last resort in a deflationary spiral.

Now what Obama will do is allow the Bush tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012.

That will take care of a lot of the debt problem.

Not as long as he's spending even more than he takes in.

Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

 

[daveman]

This is a demonstration of the point we just made. "Wall Street" didn't fail, some companies did. Then you (the left) bail them out, force them to play by your rules and control Wall Street. Our solution would have been to let the firms that failed fail. But you use it to expand government control, which you wanted anyway, and blame the people who don't support and didn't want what you did.

Actually Bush and Congress bailed them out.

But as I said, Bush's SEC allowed Wall Street to run a Ponzi scheme.

And Bush lowered taxes for the rich, started two unfunded wars and a trillion dollar Medicare drug program, all of which doubled the National Debt.

Nice try at deflecting, however.

Addressing your post was deflecting? Sure it was Chris. The policy started under Clinton to force firms to make "sub prime" loans, Barney Frank oversaw the process, "Congress" was controlled by Democrats and George Bush is no conservative and it was all repeated and expanded under Obama. And so you know, "Wall Street" isn't a firm, it's a collection of them. Some were responsible, some weren't. As is the discussion, once again government saved the ones that were not responsible with money earned by other people which then got to compete with other people's money against the firms that were responsible.

Again, you do what you wanted for the end you wanted and blame the victim and people who didn't support or want your policy. Nice try deflecting that.

Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans – UPDATED « The IUSB Vision Weblog

Case Name
Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank Fair Housing/Lending/Insurance
Docket / Court 94 C 4094 ( N.D. Ill. ) FH-IL-0011
State/Territory Illinois

Case Summary
Plaintiffs filed their class action lawsuit on July 6, 1994, alleging that Citibank had engaged in redlining practices in the Chicago metropolitan area in violation of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA), 15 U.S.C. 1691; the Fair Housing Act, 42 U.S.C. 3601-3619; the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution; and 42 U.S.C. 1981, 1982. Plaintiffs alleged that the Defendant-bank rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories. Plaintiffs sought injunctive relief, actual damages, and punitive damages.

U.S. District Court Judge Ruben Castillo certified the Plaintiffs’ suit as a class action on June 30, 1995. Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, 162 F.R.D. 322 (N.D. Ill. 1995). Also on June 30, Judge Castillo granted Plaintiffs’ motion to compel discovery of a sample of Defendant-bank’s loan application files. Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, 162 F.R.D. 338 (N.D. Ill. 1995).

The parties voluntarily dismissed the case on May 12, 1998, pursuant to a settlement agreement.
Plaintiff’s Lawyers Alexis, Hilary I. (Illinois)
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Childers, Michael Allen (Illinois)
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Clayton, Fay (Illinois)
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Cummings, Jeffrey Irvine (Illinois)
FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-7501 | FH-IL-0011-9000
Love, Sara Norris (Virginia)
FH-IL-0011-9000
Miner, Judson Hirsch (Illinois)
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Obama, Barack H. (Illinois)
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Wickert, John Henry (Illinois)
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[Political Junky]

Yeah, Bush's debt was awful.

But Obama's debt is good and righteous and holy.

Right, Chris?

Obama added Bush's wars and drug plan which were previously not on the budget. That's $Trillions.

Got it. Obama can do no wrong.

I see, cons don't like to address facts, just innuendo and talking points.

 

[daveman]

Obama added Bush's wars and drug plan which were previously not on the budget. That's $Trillions.

Got it. Obama can do no wrong.

I see, cons don't like to address facts, just innuendo and talking points.

I've seen what you use for "facts".

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This is a demonstration of the point we just made. "Wall Street" didn't fail, some companies did. Then you (the left) bail them out, force them to play by your rules and control Wall Street. Our solution would have been to let the firms that failed fail. But you use it to expand government control, which you wanted anyway, and blame the people who don't support and didn't want what you did.

Actually Bush and Congress bailed them out.

But as I said, Bush's SEC allowed Wall Street to run a Ponzi scheme.

And Bush lowered taxes for the rich, started two unfunded wars and a trillion dollar Medicare drug program, all of which doubled the National Debt.

Nice try at deflecting, however.

Yeah, Bush's debt was awful.

But Obama's debt is good and righteous and holy.

Right, Chris?

wasn't obama part of that congress and also agreed with it?

 

[BDBoop]

Obama added Bush's wars and drug plan which were previously not on the budget. That's $Trillions.

Got it. Obama can do no wrong.

I see, cons don't like to address facts, just innuendo and talking points.

Same as it ever was.

 

[Si modo]

Got it. Obama can do no wrong.

I see, cons don't like to address facts, just innuendo and talking points.

Same as it ever was.

Alright, Obama is incompetent because he cannot do anything as the President according to Obamaphiles.

 

[Chris]

Actually Bush and Congress bailed them out.

But as I said, Bush's SEC allowed Wall Street to run a Ponzi scheme.

And Bush lowered taxes for the rich, started two unfunded wars and a trillion dollar Medicare drug program, all of which doubled the National Debt.

Nice try at deflecting, however.

Yeah, Bush's debt was awful.

But Obama's debt is good and righteous and holy.

Right, Chris?

wasn't obama part of that congress and also agreed with it?

So the Bush tax cuts and the Bush wars are Obama's fault???

 

[oreo]

Yeah, Bush's debt was awful.

But Obama's debt is good and righteous and holy.

Right, Chris?

wasn't obama part of that congress and also agreed with it?

So the Bush tax cuts and the Bush wars are Obama's fault???

Obama CAMPAIGNED on getting out of Iraq and Afganistan--and getting rid of the Bush tax cuts-- It looks like he has failed at that too--and has now gotten us involved in supporting "rebels" in Lybia--who will more than likely turn their guns on us once it's done.

 

[daveman]

Actually Bush and Congress bailed them out.

But as I said, Bush's SEC allowed Wall Street to run a Ponzi scheme.

And Bush lowered taxes for the rich, started two unfunded wars and a trillion dollar Medicare drug program, all of which doubled the National Debt.

Nice try at deflecting, however.

Yeah, Bush's debt was awful.

But Obama's debt is good and righteous and holy.

Right, Chris?

wasn't obama part of that congress and also agreed with it?

Yup. Senator Obama said discussing raising the debt ceiling was a failure of leadership.

President Obama, of course, disagrees.

 

[daveman]

wasn't obama part of that congress and also agreed with it?

So the Bush tax cuts and the Bush wars are Obama's fault???

Obama CAMPAIGNED on getting out of Iraq and Afganistan--and getting rid of the Bush tax cuts-- It looks like he has failed at that too--and has now gotten us involved in supporting "rebels" in Lybia--who will more than likely turn their guns on us once it's done.

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You hush. Stop criticizing The One. It's unAmerican. Why do you hate America, you racist?


There, did I get that right, Chris?

 

[BDBoop]

Yeah, Bush's debt was awful.

But Obama's debt is good and righteous and holy.

Right, Chris?

wasn't obama part of that congress and also agreed with it?

So the Bush tax cuts and the Bush wars are Obama's fault???

Rather like this.

Obama Turns 50 Despite Republican Opposition | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

WASHINGTON—After months of heated negotiations and failed attempts to achieve any kind of consensus, President Obama turned 50 years old Thursday, drawing strong criticism from Republicans in Congress. "With the host of problems this country is currently facing, the fact that our president is devoting time to the human process of aging is an affront to Americans everywhere," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who advocated a provision to keep Obama 49 at least through the fall of 2013. "To move forward unilaterally and simply begin the next year of his life without bipartisan support—is that any way to lead a country?" According to White House officials, Obama attempted to work with Republicans right up until the Aug. 4 deadline, but was ultimately left with no choice except to turn a year older.

 

[Si modo]

wasn't obama part of that congress and also agreed with it?

So the Bush tax cuts and the Bush wars are Obama's fault???

Rather like this.

Obama Turns 50 Despite Republican Opposition | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

WASHINGTON—After months of heated negotiations and failed attempts to achieve any kind of consensus, President Obama turned 50 years old Thursday, drawing strong criticism from Republicans in Congress. "With the host of problems this country is currently facing, the fact that our president is devoting time to the human process of aging is an affront to Americans everywhere," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who advocated a provision to keep Obama 49 at least through the fall of 2013. "To move forward unilaterally and simply begin the next year of his life without bipartisan support—is that any way to lead a country?" According to White House officials, Obama attempted to work with Republicans right up until the Aug. 4 deadline, but was ultimately left with no choice except to turn a year older.

 

[oreo]

I see, cons don't like to address facts, just innuendo and talking points.

Same as it ever was.

Alright, Obama is incompetent because he cannot do anything as the President according to Obamaphiles.

Well then--tell us what Obama has done RIGHT?

 

[Wry Catcher]

wasn't obama part of that congress and also agreed with it?

So the Bush tax cuts and the Bush wars are Obama's fault???

Obama CAMPAIGNED on getting out of Iraq and Afganistan--and getting rid of the Bush tax cuts-- It looks like he has failed at that too--and has now gotten us involved in supporting "rebels" in Lybia--who will more than likely turn their guns on us once it's done.

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We'll see, the plan is for our troops to leave Iraq at the end of this year.

Whatever Obama campaigned on pre October 2008 changed with the economic crisis of that month and year, during the Bush Administration. By the time Obama took the oath of office the crisis had impacted the world. He inherited two wars, the greatest economic crisis in our natiion since the great depression and a right wing which hoped he failed.

Of course eveyone knows this even though the New Right has attempted to rewrite the history of the U.S. since his election in November 2008.

 

[Avatar4321]

Yes. The GOP is clearly intentionally preventing a recovery.

The GOP forced Obama to pass a stimulus that became a slush fund for Democrat Contributers.

The GOP forced Obama to continue spending and didn't fight for a single spending cut.

The GOP forced Obama to continually interfere, increase instability in the market with Obamacare, and refuse to lower the tax burden on Americans.

Yes, clearly its the GOP who has forced Obama into all these bad policies despite him having 2 years of complete control of every branch of government, despite him getting practically everything he has ever wanted passed.

Blame the GOP. Because otherwise you might have to take responsible for your sorry life. And we can't have that can we?

 

[Chris]

Yes. The GOP is clearly intentionally preventing a recovery.

The GOP forced Obama to pass a stimulus that became a slush fund for Democrat Contributers.

The GOP forced Obama to continue spending and didn't fight for a single spending cut.

The GOP forced Obama to continually interfere, increase instability in the market with Obamacare, and refuse to lower the tax burden on Americans.

Yes, clearly its the GOP who has forced Obama into all these bad policies despite him having 2 years of complete control of every branch of government, despite him getting practically everything he has ever wanted passed.

Blame the GOP. Because otherwise you might have to take responsible for your sorry life. And we can't have that can we?

The stimulus saved us from another Great Depression.

We probably needed more stimulus.

When an economy is in a deflationary spiral, the government MUST be the demand of last resort.

Now we have had 16 straight months of private sector job growth.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Yes. The GOP is clearly intentionally preventing a recovery.

The GOP forced Obama to pass a stimulus that became a slush fund for Democrat Contributers.

The GOP forced Obama to continue spending and didn't fight for a single spending cut.

The GOP forced Obama to continually interfere, increase instability in the market with Obamacare, and refuse to lower the tax burden on Americans.

Yes, clearly its the GOP who has forced Obama into all these bad policies despite him having 2 years of complete control of every branch of government, despite him getting practically everything he has ever wanted passed.

Blame the GOP. Because otherwise you might have to take responsible for your sorry life. And we can't have that can we?

The stimulus saved us from another Great Depression.

We probably needed more stimulus.

When an economy is in a deflationary spiral, the government MUST be the demand of last resort.

Now we have had 16 straight months of private sector job growth.

that's a goddamn lie you cannot substantiate.

As a matter of fact you're a fool for suggesting such a notion.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes. The GOP is clearly intentionally preventing a recovery.

The GOP forced Obama to pass a stimulus that became a slush fund for Democrat Contributers.

The GOP forced Obama to continue spending and didn't fight for a single spending cut.

The GOP forced Obama to continually interfere, increase instability in the market with Obamacare, and refuse to lower the tax burden on Americans.

Yes, clearly its the GOP who has forced Obama into all these bad policies despite him having 2 years of complete control of every branch of government, despite him getting practically everything he has ever wanted passed.

Blame the GOP. Because otherwise you might have to take responsible for your sorry life. And we can't have that can we?

The stimulus saved us from another Great Depression.

We probably needed more stimulus.

When an economy is in a deflationary spiral, the government MUST be the demand of last resort.

Now we have had 16 straight months of private sector job growth.

Chris you are delusional things aren't getting better. This is a discussion board with people you deal with everytime you log on. You're lying most know you're lying the economy is calling you a liar. So why are you lying?