Is the French healthcare system a good model for the U.S.?

So your response to the shit the US is in is to point at what might happen in the EU. There will be many problems ahead for a number of countries the difference is it will be felt the hardest in the US. I would not gloat over what may or may not happen elsewhere when my own country was going down the pan.
 
So your response to the shit the US is in is to point at what might happen in the EU. There will be many problems ahead for a number of countries the difference is it will be felt the hardest in the US. I would not gloat over what may or may not happen elsewhere when my own country was going down the pan.

And yet, you are the one that said this,
Any system has to be better than any US model. Even patients with health insurance are getting ripped off and when people are queuing in fields for free health care you know the shits hit the fan.

America will never have a good health, education etc. untill it stops spending trillions on war and weapons, stops all the fat cats bleeding the country dry and all the other turds that are running the show or should that be ruining it.

Health care in the EU is generally very good and it could be so in the US
if the people just got up off their fat arses and did something about it.

There are a hell of a lot more people coming from Europe to America for health care than there are Americans going to Europe for health care. Why do you think that is?
Oh, and try and actually think before you type something as stupid as "Any system has to be better than any US model."
Are you and Chrissy sisters or did you both graduate from the University of Dumbshit?
 
Chrissy and his ilk keep moving the goal posts, then claim things are "unfair".
The only reason he doesn't eat shit sandwiches is because he doesn't like bread.

Chrissey is a one track pony.....and im willing to bet, if what he wants comes to be...if it is a disaster....you will never hear from this dipshit again.....
 
Any system has to be better than any US model. Even patients with health insurance are getting ripped off and when people are queuing in fields for free health care you know the shits hit the fan.

America will never have a good health, education etc. untill it stops spending trillions on war and weapons, stops all the fat cats bleeding the country dry and all the other turds that are running the show or should that be ruining it.

Health care in the EU is generally very good and it could be so in the US if the people just got up off their fat arses and did something about it.

i got no problems with mine....and like ive said in other posts....out of a $15,000.00 payment made for reimbursements to my Ins. co. from another for an accident my wife was in....they GAVE my wife 10 thousand of that,because they felt she was the one who suffered,and they still paid a 20,000 thousand dollar operation bill after this happened....if they were so profit orientated why did they do this?...they could have kept the money,it was theirs....they did not have to do this....and no lawyers were involved....ill take Blue Shield over what these guys are proposing anyday.....
 
The usual rogues gallery of ignorance.

Our system is incredibly expensive and unfair. The French system is better.

We could learn from them.

Yes we could learn to have 40 percent taxes and unemployment up the ass. Of course, you would like the "up the ass" part.

now El....you know Chrissy is sensitive when you mention things like that...his pooper has been penetrated by the best in his little world....poor guy is always on the bottom...
 
The usual rogues gallery of ignorance.

Our system is incredibly expensive and unfair. The French system is better.

We could learn from them.

Yes we could learn to have 40 percent taxes and unemployment up the ass. Of course, you would like the "up the ass" part.

now El....you know Chrissy is sensitive when you mention things like that...his pooper has been penetrated by the best in his little world....poor guy is always on the bottom...

you bastard. You owe me a new keyboard because I just spit coffee all over it. :lol::lol:
 
So your response to the shit the US is in is to point at what might happen in the EU. There will be many problems ahead for a number of countries the difference is it will be felt the hardest in the US. I would not gloat over what may or may not happen elsewhere when my own country was going down the pan.

Of course this is your opinion which is like assholes, everyone has one but most of them stink...I'm sure you've heard that before.

I tell you what why don't you go ahead and post how many industrialized countries have the same obesity rates as the US? or have the same crime rates or same rate of car accidents combined....Then maybe we can compare apples to apples....

Medical News: Falls and Car Accidents Cause Most Injuries in U.S. Children - in Pediatrics, General Pediatrics from MedPage Today
Overall, most of the deaths due to unintentional injury (60%) were traffic-related, involving occupants of motor vehicles, pedestrians, or cyclists.

Other major causes of death due to unintentional injury were "other injuries" (11.2%), which included causes such as insect bites and stings, firearms, and overexertion, drowning (9.4%), and suffocation (7.9%).
 
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When faced with the truth the right either insults or changes the subject.

That's when I know they have nothing.
 
MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.

Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.

The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.

An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.

That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.

Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.

Nor do France's doctors face the high nonmedical personnel payroll expenses that burden American physicians. Sécurité Sociale has created a standardized and speedy system for physician billing and patient reimbursement using electronic funds.

It's not uncommon to visit a French medical office and see no nonmedical personnel. What a concept. No back office army of billing specialists who do daily battle with insurers' arcane and constantly changing rules of payment.

Moreover, in contrast to Canada and Britain, there are no waiting lists for elective procedures and patients need not seek pre-authorizations. In other words, like in the United States, "rationing" is not a word that leaves the lips of hopeful politicians.

France's model healthcare system - The Boston Globe

I love my current health care and health coverage.

I say lets throw out this hr3200 bill that wont give us better care but reduce quality and availablity and pass a new bill that deals with ONLY insurance coverage.

Give the insurance companies tax break incentives to give out heavily discounted plans to lower income people...those who make too much for medicare but not enough to buy their own insurance.

Then pass tort reform.

We dont need over 1000 pages to do this. We need over 1000 pages to drastically alter the sytem instead of just simply extending coverage to more americans.
 
When faced with the truth the right either insults or changes the subject.

That's when I know they have nothing.

We already know the truth. We insult you because you are a fucking idiot and daft ****. also, because you have no rep. :razz:
 
MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.

Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.

The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.

An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.

That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.

Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.

Nor do France's doctors face the high nonmedical personnel payroll expenses that burden American physicians. Sécurité Sociale has created a standardized and speedy system for physician billing and patient reimbursement using electronic funds.

It's not uncommon to visit a French medical office and see no nonmedical personnel. What a concept. No back office army of billing specialists who do daily battle with insurers' arcane and constantly changing rules of payment.

Moreover, in contrast to Canada and Britain, there are no waiting lists for elective procedures and patients need not seek pre-authorizations. In other words, like in the United States, "rationing" is not a word that leaves the lips of hopeful politicians.

France's model healthcare system - The Boston Globe

I love my current health care and health coverage.

I say lets throw out this hr3200 bill that wont give us better care but reduce quality and availablity and pass a new bill that deals with ONLY insurance coverage.

Give the insurance companies tax break incentives to give out heavily discounted plans to lower income people...those who make too much for medicare but not enough to buy their own insurance.

Then pass tort reform.

We dont need over 1000 pages to do this. We need over 1000 pages to drastically alter the sytem instead of just simply extending coverage to more americans.

No, let's continue with the current system.

I love to see people bankrupted by cancer!

Is this a great country or what?
 
When faced with the truth the right either insults or changes the subject.

That's when I know they have nothing.
The truth here is that you're a fucking pussy whiner, who sees the "greener grass" but is too much of a coward or lazy ass to go over to the other side of the fence.

What's stopping you?

well, he'd be a long way from Old Rocks if he moved to France.
 
But that's the whole point Plymco. Obama wants "radical change", not improvement of our current system.
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MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.

Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.

The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.

An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.

That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.

Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.

Nor do France's doctors face the high nonmedical personnel payroll expenses that burden American physicians. Sécurité Sociale has created a standardized and speedy system for physician billing and patient reimbursement using electronic funds.

It's not uncommon to visit a French medical office and see no nonmedical personnel. What a concept. No back office army of billing specialists who do daily battle with insurers' arcane and constantly changing rules of payment.

Moreover, in contrast to Canada and Britain, there are no waiting lists for elective procedures and patients need not seek pre-authorizations. In other words, like in the United States, "rationing" is not a word that leaves the lips of hopeful politicians.

France's model healthcare system - The Boston Globe

I love my current health care and health coverage.

I say lets throw out this hr3200 bill that wont give us better care but reduce quality and availablity and pass a new bill that deals with ONLY insurance coverage.

Give the insurance companies tax break incentives to give out heavily discounted plans to lower income people...those who make too much for medicare but not enough to buy their own insurance.

Then pass tort reform.

We dont need over 1000 pages to do this. We need over 1000 pages to drastically alter the sytem instead of just simply extending coverage to more americans.

No, let's continue with the current system.

I love to see people bankrupted by cancer!

Is this a great country or what?

yeah you could bankrupt them with your shit properties instead.
 
MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.

Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.

The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.

An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.

That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.

Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.

Nor do France's doctors face the high nonmedical personnel payroll expenses that burden American physicians. Sécurité Sociale has created a standardized and speedy system for physician billing and patient reimbursement using electronic funds.

It's not uncommon to visit a French medical office and see no nonmedical personnel. What a concept. No back office army of billing specialists who do daily battle with insurers' arcane and constantly changing rules of payment.

Moreover, in contrast to Canada and Britain, there are no waiting lists for elective procedures and patients need not seek pre-authorizations. In other words, like in the United States, "rationing" is not a word that leaves the lips of hopeful politicians.

France's model healthcare system - The Boston Globe

I love my current health care and health coverage.

I say lets throw out this hr3200 bill that wont give us better care but reduce quality and availablity and pass a new bill that deals with ONLY insurance coverage.

Give the insurance companies tax break incentives to give out heavily discounted plans to lower income people...those who make too much for medicare but not enough to buy their own insurance.

Then pass tort reform.

We dont need over 1000 pages to do this. We need over 1000 pages to drastically alter the sytem instead of just simply extending coverage to more americans.

No, let's continue with the current system.

I love to see people bankrupted by cancer!

Is this a great country or what?

My insurance covers cancer treatment, thats why i pay 40 bucks a week for it.

Like i said lets get everyone quality coverage....why dont you want to give everyone good insurance that covers their use of the health system?

Why are you for people not having quality care or readily available service?
 
No, serious....

Our current system is great.

Make people with cancer lose everything they have!

It's a great system!!!
 
No, serious....

Our current system is great.

Make people with cancer lose everything they have!

It's a great system!!!

Yes, you are a cancer. Please move to another country, you leech.
 
No, serious....

Our current system is great.

Make people with cancer lose everything they have!

It's a great system!!!

Once again, if you extend the type of coverage I have....or better yet the coverage congress has...to all americans then that wouldn't happen.

I've read your posts and you love regulations, so why not pass a regulation guaranteeing that people who get cancer can not legally have their insurance cancelled because of it...no matter if it was pre-existing or not.

Again you didn't answer me....why are you for reducing the quality and availability of health care? That is what the monstrosity that is hr3200 will do to us.

Why are you against extending quality coverage without altering the entire system?
 

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