Is The American Experiment Over?

[AVG-JOE]

I am seeing a lot of anger, much of it justifiable, in threads about illegal immigration, corporate greed, unfair taxation, etc.

My political question for the board is this: Can America, as we know it, be saved? If this board is any sort of representation, this country is fractured... Are we destined to break up into more manageable regions where the gay folk can marry as they please in California and the Northeast and the religious folk can hang young women and doctors who commit abortion in Alaska and Texas?

Does this election begin the closing chapter of the American Experiment?

-Joe

 

[Skull Pilot]

My American dream has been rewritten. All I want is to buy 40 - 50 acres out west and live off the grid with my dogs, my horse and my guns. Oh yeah my wife too.

 

[AVG-JOE]

My American dream has been rewritten. All I want is to buy 40 - 50 acres out west and live off the grid with my dogs, my horse and my guns. Oh yeah my wife too.

Hoping for the best, eh? Me too... I'm working on a similar situation here in Florida - no where near 40 acres and a mule, but it is amazing how much food can be grown year round on a small patch of sandy dirt with water.

-Joe

 

[Skull Pilot]

Hoping for the best, eh? Me too... I'm working on a similar situation here in Florida - no where near 40 acres and a mule, but it is amazing how much food can be grown year round on a small patch of sandy dirt with water.

-Joe

I have binders full of architectural plans for sustainable homes, solar, wind, ground source heat pumps wood furnaces.

I figure with 10 acres of clear land and 40 of wooded, I can live off the grid till I expire

 

[AVG-JOE]

I have binders full of architectural plans for sustainable homes, solar, wind, ground source heat pumps wood furnaces.

I figure with 10 acres of clear land and 40 of wooded, I can live off the grid till I expire

Good plan... I hope your health holds out - I'm hoping the same for myself.

-Joe

 

[Care4all]

Hoping for the best, eh? Me too... I'm working on a similar situation here in Florida - no where near 40 acres and a mule, but it is amazing how much food can be grown year round on a small patch of sandy dirt with water.

-Joe

We felt the same...an unbelievable desire to be self sufficient, needed to GET OUT OF DODGE, left the busy massachusetts...came to maine, have a garden and alot of apple trees with a river watersource nearby and a barter community where one has cattle and one has eggs and chickens and one has apples and one has veggies.....we got a good size generator if the grid falls but are looking to do some kind of wind or solar...

the only thing missing is a reasonable broadband service....none going to my house, had to pay for Verizon Wireless for my laptop....

Care

 

[eots]

Country Boy can Survive
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlUaZlyct5M&feature=related[/ame]

 

[GigiBowman]

Now you guys are talking!

by the way, a lot of Ron Paulites have decided to start their own place


Paulville.org - Home

 

[Turboswede]

We will be fine Average-Joe because most Americans just don’t care that much. Americans are like people everywhere, as long as they have food to eat, TV and hot & cold running sewage the masses will be fine. America will swing politicaly from the left to the right and we have been in a fairly right wing trajectory for the past 8 years.

Now we are going to swing back to the left for a while. I think the Right are going to be a bit surprised by the things Obama won’t do. Just like Republicans can do things the Democrats would never get away with (think bailing out Chrysler, establishing relations with the PRC, federalizing the National Guard to support the Civil Rights Movement, etc.) the Democrats can take actions that would be suicide from a Republican perspective (budget cuts, welfare reform, etc.).

I am absolutely sure that Obama will not take people’s guns away any more than McCain would require children to pray in school, it would show all the middle of the road voters that everything the opposing side had said during the campaign was true.

America is rich, strong, smart and powerful and I don’t think either presidential candidate, or Major Party for that matter, wants to see that change. Today is nothing compared to the 60’s when you had political figures being assassinated left and right, a far more deadly (but less expensive) war and a major political 3rd party based on racial segregation.

If we survived that, I am sure we can survive McCain or Obama.

 

[Caligirl]

This sustainability thing is exactly the unifying theme that goes with most political philosophies.

We have our photovoltaic feeding into the grid, we produce almost all the elctricity we need. We garden, and have native and edible landscape. WE don't want to be hermits because we are both interested in making a mark in our fields, which we can't do on 40 acres in the wilderness. But I think the idea of sustainability and independence and equality is common to every political philosophy. So I vote that the experiment is working.

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

Hoping for the best, eh? Me too... I'm working on a similar situation here in Florida - no where near 40 acres and a mule, but it is amazing how much food can be grown year round on a small patch of sandy dirt with water.

-Joe

Goddess willin' and the creek don't rise!

Only problem I see with Flahdah is if the oceans get fuller from melting ice-caps...... that can be some low ground in some places, and high water makes the crawlies want to move in the house with the regular folks!

Sandy dirt and pig poop will grow things really well! Good luck!

 

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8fAROhy8k0&feature=related]YouTube - Obama gun control[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aug3A0UaQk&feature=related]YouTube - Hussein Obama - "Gun Owners and the Religious Are Bitter"[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZAuwjr8LqU&feature=related]YouTube - Obama's National Security Force for Crisis[/ame]

 

[AVG-JOE]

We felt the same...an unbelievable desire to be self sufficient, needed to GET OUT OF DODGE, left the busy massachusetts...came to maine, have a garden and alot of apple trees with a river watersource nearby and a barter community where one has cattle and one has eggs and chickens and one has apples and one has veggies.....we got a good size generator if the grid falls but are looking to do some kind of wind or solar...

the only thing missing is a reasonable broadband service....none going to my house, had to pay for Verizon Wireless for my laptop....

Care

Nice! But chilly in winter, eh?

-Joe

 

[AVG-JOE]

Now you guys are talking!

by the way, a lot of Ron Paulites have decided to start their own place


Paulville.org - Home

You guys think we can come up with enough to take over Hawaii? I hear the fishin' is pretty good!

-Joe

 

[Annie]

One thing the government and the world needs to worry about and I guess it doesn't matter if 'we' are being governed by the left or right, is the American tendency to go it alone, with their associations. ie., we'll keep our fraternal/professional ties, while dropping neighbors and such, if it fills the bill. Alexis de Tocqueville was very observant, all these years later we've not changed much. If we need to mix with gardeners, solar specialists, etc., we will find a way.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Goddess willin' and the creek don't rise!

Only problem I see with Flahdah is if the oceans get fuller from melting ice-caps...... that can be some low groud in some places, and high water makes the crawlies want to move in the house with the regular folks!

Sandy dirt and pig poop will grow things really well! Good luck!

Fortunately I keep the house on wheels with 800 miles of diesel on board - if the crik rises or the hurricanes blow I can get out of the way.

A hurricane can be cleaned up after... I guess I'm betting that Gore is wrong.

-Joe

 

[Modbert]

I am seeing a lot of anger, much of it justifiable, in threads about illegal immigration, corporate greed, unfair taxation, etc.

My political question for the board is this: Can America, as we know it, be saved? If this board is any sort of representation, this country is fractured... Are we destined to break up into more manageable regions where the gay folk can marry as they please in California and the Northeast and the religious folk can hang young women and doctors who commit abortion in Alaska and Texas?

Does this election begin the closing chapter of the American Experiment?

-Joe

The American Experiment has always been a failure. Not everybody over eighteen was able to vote until the 1970's or even in some towns today.

If you include the voting machines of today, America has never had truly everyone voting who should be qualified.

 

[Modbert]

In the end, the midwest will become similar to the Old West.

The Northeast to Southeast is where the Liberals will go.

Conservatives will live in the middle to Southwest and Northwest.

 

[AVG-JOE]

One thing the government and the world needs to worry about and I guess it doesn't matter if 'we' are being governed by the left or right, is the American tendency to go it alone, with their associations. ie., we'll keep our fraternal/professional ties, while dropping neighbors and such, if it fills the bill. Alexis de Tocqueville was very observant, all these years later we've not changed much. If we need to mix with gardeners, solar specialists, etc., we will find a way.

If the shit hits the fan, we'll just need to find each other through the din of crime and starving gangs... But you're right, the ingenious Americans behind the reputation will, at least as a people, survive pretty much anything the world can throw at us.

-Joe

 

[Missourian]

Regardless of what happens, we'll be OK in Missouri.

Good luck in Florida...I've seen your cows.

and the shore will look like this:

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